Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 06:42:53AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 03:57:28PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: in a testing environment I was trying to upgrade the security patches and I run the command apt-get upgrade. It ran fine, but at the end it upgraded my whole OS, first my test machine was showing Debian version 6.0.4 now after the upgrade it shifted to Wheezy/SID which I think is unstable. In Microsoft when we upgrade the OS. it downloads only the security and OS patches. So the question are 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? If security is your concern, you ought to be running stable as opposed to testing. If you run stable, then ensuring that security.debian.org is listed in the /etc/apt/sources.list will fetch security updates. Or, you could run testing and put in sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free Still, I do consider stable to be safer, and do stick with it... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525145453.GA13504@radhesyama
Re: can't seem to find xorg.conf
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 03:38:05PM +0100, Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear folks, Isn't xorg.conf supposed to be in /etc/X11? /usr/share/X11 is the new location. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120524144228.GA5146@radhesyama
Re: Help New Debian User to install
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:20:14PM +0200, felix chisoni wrote: Dear all, I am a college librarian in a nursing school. I have been using a Library Management System called KOHA 2.2.9 which runs on windows xp. This is a very old version. However, I am determined to upgrade to KOHA 3.6 which runs on Debian with so much exciting features. I have managed to downloaded the debian-6.0.5-i386-iso (191.00mb-napoleon.um.se) and copied it on a CD. It is a small installation image from Debian website. This morning, I was trying to install it for testing. Whilst it was scanning the mirrors, It indicated this warning Bad archive mirror). It appears the reason is my poor internet connection. I am expecting to work overnight when the speed improves. I am not sure if I have made any mistake. Please Help. If you have a really bad internet connection (I do), you might be able to save a lot of time by buying the full set of Debian discs. I paid something like $26 for all 8 DVDs at osdisc.com, and there are other vendors also listed at http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120522103842.GA2870@radhesyama
Re: aptitude changelog gives You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 05:46:41PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 20 May 2012 05:39:29 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 05:04:02PM +, Camaleón wrote: You have no source repo listed. deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian testing main contrib non-free You don't need one. The only reason you'd need one is if you are going to be compiling any software. Try yourself and then comment on the results. Having to get by on teensy-weensy amounts of bandwidth means this squeeze install has *never* had deb-src entries in sources.list. Never got an error from it... It's either a bug, or perhaps something is installed which is only available from a deb-src entry. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120519181045.GA7859@radhesyama
Re: how to practice.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 06:54:17PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
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On 18/05/12 13:18, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
Ok I have been working in IT network field since 7 years and just one and
half year back i have started exploring Linux and I believe, someone said
to me lately that if you start loving black and white terminal then you
will never look back to Windows GUI. I literally can experience this thing
at the stage I am standing with Linux. As I consider myself a newbie in
Linux but according to my previous experience if i don’t practice I will
forget things very easy (as there are tons of commands to remember which I
will forget with less or 0 practice). so i am here to ask all the old Pros
that how you guys manage to remember all the commands and practice all the
previous work. Since after the deployment of some Linux services there is
only the log which i have to see for further errors. So how it is possible
to keep in my mind all the old stuff and along with that I can move forward
with the new goals.
As people have pointed out, the command line is the way to go. It can be
intimidating (i.e.`rm` unless you apply safeguards, does *mean* `rm`
especially if you put a `-Rf` after it) but that's part of its beauty:
simplicity absolute power when run as root (or sudo).
I use man pages a lot. I also use vim for everything. Reading man pages
with less can be a tedious affair so I put:
`manvim() { vim -c Man$1 -c 'silent! only';}` :
`export TERM=xterm-256-color`
in my ~/.bashrc
:
`source $VIMRUNTIME/ftplugin/man.vim`
in my ~/.vimrc then calling the man page like so `$ manvim foo`
they're much easier to read. For everything else, I have hard copies
of Unix and Linux System Administration Handbook by Evi Nemeth
others Classic Shell Scripting: Hidden Commands that Unlock the Power
of Unix by Arnold Robbins Sed Awk by Dale Dougherty. For
everything else, there's the internet.
As was pointed out by an earlier poster, just keep reading. I read
hundreds of pages of documentation a day on every different circumstance
I'm likely to encounter. That in itself is a full-time job :-).
+1 on vim, also vifm for file management.
You have to build vifm from source though,the ancient version in
the repos is not nearly as useful as 0.7+.
Customize keybindings and file associations, and it really rocks.
:)
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Re: pam_mount configuration for users home directories from server to client
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:30:19PM +0200, zingalo wrote: Welcome to Ubuntu 11.10 (GNU/Linux 3.0.0-12-generic i686) * Documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/ The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Ahem... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120516110501.GB20659@radhesyama
Re: Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: Cannot find a free VT
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:55:15PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:03:12 +0800, Hor Jiun Shyong wrote: Hi All, Hi... but there's no need to send this twice and please, no html posts :-) Would be grateful if anyone could provide feedback on the below, thanks. Okay, let's see if I can give you some hints. There are usually X gurus around the list but let's do some tests until they can provide a more insightful view on this issue :-) After installing proprietary driver amd-driver-installer-12-4-x86.x86_64.run on Sid amd64, both console and X cannot be started. All was left after booting is a blinking - prompt. Xorg log as below. Let me move up the fatal error: [ 312.888] Fatal server error: [ 312.888] xf86OpenConsole: Cannot find a free VT [ 312.888] [ 312.888] That's weird... It's like the xserver is not able to allocate a virtual console where to start X but I can't figure out what could be causing this :-? Maybe something (like /etc/inittab) got edited, and tty7 was repurposed for a getty? It's important to leave tty7 alone or X won't run. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515170158.GB4098@radhesyama
Re: Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: Cannot find a free VT
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:01:58PM -0500, Indulekha wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:55:15PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2012 21:03:12 +0800, Hor Jiun Shyong wrote: Hi All, Hi... but there's no need to send this twice and please, no html posts :-) Would be grateful if anyone could provide feedback on the below, thanks. Okay, let's see if I can give you some hints. There are usually X gurus around the list but let's do some tests until they can provide a more insightful view on this issue :-) After installing proprietary driver amd-driver-installer-12-4-x86.x86_64.run on Sid amd64, both console and X cannot be started. All was left after booting is a blinking - prompt. Xorg log as below. Let me move up the fatal error: [ 312.888] Fatal server error: [ 312.888] xf86OpenConsole: Cannot find a free VT [ 312.888] [ 312.888] That's weird... It's like the xserver is not able to allocate a virtual console where to start X but I can't figure out what could be causing this :-? Maybe something (like /etc/inittab) got edited, and tty7 was repurposed for a getty? It's important to leave tty7 alone or X won't run. Also if inittab did get edited, could be you're calling a getty that isn't installed... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120515172345.GA4792@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy USB Harddrive install grub2 issues
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 01:59:27PM +0800, Bob wrote: I've passed grub-install all three of the ids listed above and /dev/sda but so far none of them worked. Any other ideas? Thanks for all your help. Are you by any chance using a custom-built kernel? -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120514101740.GA12335@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy: VLC player weirdness
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:21:56AM -0700, T Elcor wrote: --- On Mon, 5/14/12, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: ..try vlc --ffmpeg-threads 0 file:///some/file/name.mp4, the zero here means auto. Tried it, pretty much the same output: $vlc --ffmpeg-threads 0 file:///some/file/name.mp4 VLC media player 2.0.1 Twoflower (revision 2.0.1-0-gf432547) [0x987108] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. [0x1c9ed48] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor [0x7fccc1296c18] freetype spu text error: Breaking unbreakable line Try a different video driver (vout). The xv isn't working for you... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120514142040.GA1584@radhesyama
Re: Having Mozilla Firefox as default web browser
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:05:28PM +0100, Lisi wrote: On Monday 14 May 2012 16:57:28 Sven Joachim wrote: Iceweasel is unable to treat Google Mail adequately. This is something that can be reported, should the error is consistent and fully reproducible. AFAIK this is already known, and the problem is not the small difference between Iceweasel and Firefox, but rather that Google (and several other sites) have dropped support for Firefox 3.5 which is the base for Iceweasel in Squeeze. I have the impression, which may indeed be erroneous, that Google has deliberately obsoleted Iceweasel in order to push its users into Chrome or chromium. Though I imagine that it will still play ball with IE. This happened when they updated/improved Gmail. I also have that impression. Forunately, it still works just fine with imap via mutt and also in elinks and in Opera as well, for those occasions one must access gmails settings dialog. Best of all, elinks and Opera don't require updating every four minutes to avoid being pwned. An important factor for those of us with extremely limited bandwidth -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120514161323.GA3379@radhesyama
Re: Files and directories showing in CLI but not in GUI
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:09:48AM +0100, Raf Czlonka wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 01:42:05AM BST, Marc Shapiro wrote: As I mentioned above and in the listed previous threads, this was a new install, but the home partition that is acting strangely s from a previous install. That sounds simply like a permissions issue. To rule it our mound the filesystem rw and change the permissions on files and directories to 666 and 777 respectively (start with the full patch as the GUI file manager might need to have access to read those all the way from / up. Almost certainly a permissiopns issue, espcially as he mentioned it was a fresh install mounting an old /home. I'd be wary of chmodding everything 666 and 777 personally, as certain things might need other perms. Besides, 644 and 755 are more secure. @Mark: open a terminal, become root, type 'ls -la'. Should reveal the problem if it's a permissions issue. Perhaps your UID is different in the new system from the previous one, in which case a simple 'chown -R' should fix it. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120513110416.GA11969@radhesyama
Re: a balance: hi speed internet vs. remoteness
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:50:12PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 12 mai 12, 03:23:53, Indulekha wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:50:31PM -0700, Sam wrote: weirdness snipped Celebrating something, Sam? Looks like the kind of spam used for confusing spam filters, and you just replied to it :( No actually, I replied to the list. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120513120319.GA13716@radhesyama
Re: desktop notification gone
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:51:01PM +0200, Tom wrote: Hey Adrian, To anybody else reading this and not using Gnome or KDE, how does notification work for you? I use xfce4-notifyd from XFCE .. It also has a nice configuration utility: xfce4-notifyd-config. Works great so far (for at least 2 months); couldn't be happier. Works like a charm indeed. Thanks a bunch for returning my bubbles! :) I had no trouble with plain, old notify-osd in fvwm, but out of curiosity tried xfce4-notifyd anyway. Love that I can theme it and no longer have to strain to read black-on-white bubbles with a fixed size and typeface. It's a nice improvement. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120513120729.GA13861@radhesyama
Re: Files and directories showing in CLI but not in GUI
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 01:09:26PM +0100, rjc wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:04:16PM BST, Indulekha wrote: Almost certainly a permissiopns issue, espcially as he mentioned it was a fresh install mounting an old /home. I'd be wary of chmodding everything 666 and 777 personally, as certain things might need other perms. Besides, 644 and 755 are more secure. I never suggested chmod everything from / up I never even thought that you did, much less said such a thing. Sorry if I was unclear. There are files in my home directory which do not need to be 666, and directories in the same location which do not need to be 777. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120513121947.GA14085@radhesyama
Re: multiboot problem in squeeze
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 09:01:21AM -0400, Long Wind wrote: On 5/13/12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Wow... that's a very old Mandrake release (kernel 2.4.22), and from the above line, it seems that you are not using chainloading but directly booting your old Mandrake from GRUB2. If yes, then it can be that you (well, not you but the os-prober) missed something at the boot entry, I would try to manually boot Mandrake from GRUB2 command line, test some combos and when you finally get it, edit the corresponding menu file from (/etc/grub.d/*) accordingly. Greetings, -- Camaleón Thank Camaleón! I have used multiboot in early debian distro this time it seems very hard I don't know how to manually boot Mandrake from GRUB2 command line Maybe I shall give up If you still have your Mandrake 9.2 installer disk, you could use it to boot your installation on the hdd, then run grub-install to install it on the root partition, rather than on the mbr. Then it's a simple matter of editing /etc/grub.d/40_custom to add the chainloader Mandrake entry, and run update-grub. If you don't have the Mandrake installer anymore, any good live linux cd with a 2.4 kernel option should let you chroot in. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120513131054.GA14890@radhesyama
OT: Re: a balance: hi speed internet vs. remoteness
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 04:02:47PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 13 mai 12, 07:03:19, Indulekha wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:50:12PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Looks like the kind of spam used for confusing spam filters, and you just replied to it :( No actually, I replied to the list. It doesn't matter: - Gmail might give it a lower spam score because it sees your reply instead of marking it as spam - it can not be removed from Debian archives anymore I marked it as spam in gmail afterward, so apparently I took away with one hand and gave back with the other. It was early and I wasn't firing on all 12 yet, so didn't immediately recognize it as spam. Done is done, all the griping in the world will not undo it... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120513133303.GD14890@radhesyama
Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:48:49AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 13May2012 03:32, Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: | On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 09:04:00PM -0500, Jim Graham wrote: | On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:39:00AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: | snipped | Ok... Why does mutt-users not show up as a list with your posts, | and works for all others? I've never seen this happen before with | Mutt and lists. | | My mutt sees mutt-users when I hit 'L' with Cameron's posts... That's probably because you didn't get a personal copy as well. What does mutt see with the first copy of _this_ message, for you? no mailing lists found. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120514001533.GA2707@radhesyama
Re: a balance: hi speed internet vs. remoteness
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:50:31PM -0700, Sam wrote: weirdness snipped Celebrating something, Sam? -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512082353.GA6158@radhesyama
Re: Regarding installation of xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on red hat linux 5 Enterprise Edition
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 02:13:37AM -0700, onlymahend...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear sir, I am trying to install xipdump-1.5.2.tgz on my Red hat Linux 5 Enterprise Edition operating system. But while installation it shows many errors. Can you tell me how to install this software. Is there any other packages needed to install. pl reply... This is a debian list, no Red Hat. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512093620.GA7588@radhesyama
Re: OT: More about GPG signing
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:40:31PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Selling guns? Apologize! Context! Selling guns to the wrong people, with a bad intention is unethically, but it isn't unethically to sell guns per se. I don't own weapons myself, but I've got no problems with people who learned how to use and not to use a weapon secure and ethically. I'm able to do this myself, but I don't need a weapon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1336819231.2121.45.camel@precise Please don't troll. The phrrase selling guns doesn't even appear in the email you're claiming to repond to. If you're going to hysterically paraphrase someone, please make sure you inform us of that fact. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512105228.GA8953@radhesyama
Re: OT: More about GPG signing
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:11PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 05:52:28 -0500 Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: Hello Indulekha, Please don't troll. The phrrase selling guns doesn't even appear in the email you're It did; You just saw the follow-up before the message it was replying to. Exactly the same happened here. Ah, ok. Yes, I do see it now. Apologies to Ralf! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512112845.GA9757@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy USB Harddrive install grub2 issues
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:03PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Fri 11 May 2012 at 19:19:32 +0800, Bob wrote: Probably want to skip that --root-directory option, unless you're trying to avoid the mbr for some valid reason... I've tried it with and without. Why? What does grub-install(8) have to say about the option? Please watch your attribution. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512113624.GB9757@radhesyama
Re: OT: More about GPG signing
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:40:35AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote: I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was not funny at all :-( If you know about tics than it shouldn't be an issue. (...) Ralf, I don't know how to tell this with plain (and kind) words becasue you seem don't understanding nothing at all... from nothing. In a mailing list there is no face to face comunication, you only get mesages from a person that you don't know and you had no previous relation with and you are unaware of his real intentions... So, if a person starts sending posts impersonating you, insulting the other mailing list users and harming them -despite you consider his disease to be something enjoyable (which I think is not)- is nothing laughable at all. And is not funny because it was something the user could not control so finally, IIRC, he had to be banned and some of the of users started signing their own posts :-/ Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's just verbal and gestures. You got trolled. -- ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512115929.GA1398@radhesyama
Re: OT: More about GPG signing
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:18:14PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 06:59:29 -0500, Indulekha wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:40:35AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 12 May 2012 12:21:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:02 +, Camaleón wrote: I don't know why is that you smile. For the people involved it was not funny at all :-( If you know about tics than it shouldn't be an issue. (...) And is not funny because it was something the user could not control so finally, IIRC, he had to be banned and some of the of users started signing their own posts :-/ Tourette's doesn't compel people to send obscenities via email, it's just verbal and gestures. You got trolled. You're completely wrong. But you can read and learn (from Wikipedia article): *** (...) Tourette's was once considered a rare and bizarre syndrome, most often associated with the exclamation of obscene words or socially inappropriate and derogatory remarks (coprolalia), but this symptom is present in only a small minority of people with Tourette's.[1] *** What, so now the *lack* of a described symptom is proof it exists? Nowhere in that article does it say that Tourette's makes people write obscenities. And that's with good reason, because it doesn't. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512140704.GB3308@radhesyama
Re: question about no free repo
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:02:54AM -0500, mike wrote: hi, i got one of the non-free repos to work but when i use this one at fails any suggestions? deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free I don't think non-us exists anymore. Also, for some silly reason it's http://ftp.us.debian.org (etc). Though I quit using that one, as it's incredibly slow. You can always check with http://www.debian.org/mirrors for more choices. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512161516.GA5375@radhesyama
Re: Files and directories showing in CLI but not in GUI
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:43:43PM +, Marc Shapiro wrote: I had some problems with one of my drives last week (see System no longer boots and How to remove a PV from an LVM VG? Now my problem is different, and stranger. I thought that I was going to need to get filesystem recovery software to retrieve at least some of my data. Meanwhile, I obtained a spare 80 GB HD and a live DVD ROM which contained Debian Squeeze. I could boot to the live system and I did an install onto the 80 GB drive. I rebooted into the new system and it seemed OK. I installed R-Linux to try and recover my files, but it did not see my old drive (from which I had done the pvmove). It was getting late and I did not want to leave the system up untill I knew that everything was working reasonably. So I powered down. The next day I was unable to boot into the new system without being dropped into a maintenance shell. Aaaargh! So I booted into the live system, again. I looked for my missing files and directories again. Why would I expect to see them? I don't know. Desperation, perhaps. The file browser did not show them. Then I tried something different. I opened a terminal, did a 'cd' to my old home directory which I had mounted at /mnt and did an 'ls'. Lo! And Behold! The missing directories were there. I did a 'cd' into my main documents directory, followed by 'ls' and my files were all there. They show up from the command line, but not from the GUI! Now I really started to wonder. I opened OpenOfficeCalc aqnd tried to browse to the directory and file that I had just seen. Nothing. The directory did not show up. Then I clicked on the icon to 'Type a File Name' and entered the name of the missing directory, followed my a slash. All the files showed up! I selected one of the large .ods files that I use a lot. A message came up, saying: Document file 'x.xxx' is locked for editing by: xxx ( 06.05.2012 15:49) Open the document read-only or open a copy of the document for editing. The x's above were the file name that I was trying to open and my login on the old system. If I select Open Read-Only the file opens right up. Other files open without the warning. I probably had that particular file open when the system went wonky (it is almost always open) and that is the reason for the warning dialog. So my question is: Why do some of my files and directories show in GUI apps, but not all of them, while all of them seem to show up just fine from the command line? Does anyone have any ideas on this? If all of my files are actually on the disk, in good order, why can I only see them from the command line? Is there something that I can do to make all of the files and directories visible in GUI apps, as well? This would make my life a whole lot easier. Thanks for any help. ?? Gnome/KDE/xfce4/wmii/ratpoison... Nautilus/Dolphin/Thunar/pcmanfm... ?? -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512235842.GA1413@radhesyama
Re: Files and directories showing in CLI but not in GUI
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:22:04AM +, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 5/12/12, Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:43:43PM +, Marc Shapiro wrote: I had some problems with one of my drives last week (see System no longer boots and How to remove a PV from an LVM VG? Now my problem is different, and stranger. I thought that I was going to need to get filesystem recovery software to retrieve at least some of my data. Meanwhile, I obtained a spare 80 GB HD and a live DVD ROM which contained Debian Squeeze. I could boot to the live system and I did an install onto the 80 GB drive. I rebooted into the new system and it seemed OK. I installed R-Linux to try and recover my files, but it did not see my old drive (from which I had done the pvmove). It was getting late and I did not want to leave the system up untill I knew that everything was working reasonably. So I powered down. The next day I was unable to boot into the new system without being dropped into a maintenance shell. Aaaargh! So I booted into the live system, again. I looked for my missing files and directories again. Why would I expect to see them? I don't know. Desperation, perhaps. The file browser did not show them. Then I tried something different. I opened a terminal, did a 'cd' to my old home directory which I had mounted at /mnt and did an 'ls'. Lo! And Behold! The missing directories were there. I did a 'cd' into my main documents directory, followed by 'ls' and my files were all there. They show up from the command line, but not from the GUI! Now I really started to wonder. I opened OpenOfficeCalc aqnd tried to browse to the directory and file that I had just seen. Nothing. The directory did not show up. Then I clicked on the icon to 'Type a File Name' and entered the name of the missing directory, followed my a slash. All the files showed up! I selected one of the large .ods files that I use a lot. A message came up, saying: Document file 'x.xxx' is locked for editing by: xxx ( 06.05.2012 15:49) Open the document read-only or open a copy of the document for editing. The x's above were the file name that I was trying to open and my login on the old system. If I select Open Read-Only the file opens right up. Other files open without the warning. I probably had that particular file open when the system went wonky (it is almost always open) and that is the reason for the warning dialog. So my question is: Why do some of my files and directories show in GUI apps, but not all of them, while all of them seem to show up just fine from the command line? Does anyone have any ideas on this? If all of my files are actually on the disk, in good order, why can I only see them from the command line? Is there something that I can do to make all of the files and directories visible in GUI apps, as well? This would make my life a whole lot easier. Thanks for any help. ?? Gnome/KDE/xfce4/wmii/ratpoison... Nautilus/Dolphin/Thunar/pcmanfm... ?? Sorry, default Debian installation, so Gnome and Nautilus. Also Open Office and Gnome Terminal. Everything also shows up fine from the command line if I switch to vt 1 cd to the directory and then ls. Something to do with gnome or nautilus then, I'd think... Sorry I'm not more helpful, I don't use those. You could try creating a new user account and see if it happens there too -- then if it doesn't you know there's probably an error of some sort in a config file. If this was caused by an update, apt-get -f install might work... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120513002959.GA1862@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy: Can only play ogv video
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 01:20:21AM -0700, T Elcor wrote: --- On Thu, 5/10/12, Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: I just use vlc, mplayer, and w32codecs. With those three it seems I can play anything. In fact, vlc alone is probably enough. VLC alone didn't work for me, I don't remember if I tried ogv but MP4s didn't play for sure. What phonon-backend are you using, if any? What package are w32codecs in? Thanks w32codecs are in non-free/w32codecs IIRC. Phonon backend is a kde thing, no kde here. Another thing that works is go to the mplayer homepage and download one of the codecs packages, extract the codecs, and put them in /usr/lib/codecs (create it if it doesn't exist). Then install mplayer. It just occurred to me I have the debian-multimedia sources in /etc/apt/ sources.list, too: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free Probably a good idea... HTH! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120511102438.GA10748@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy USB Harddrive install grub2 issues
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 03:13:52PM +0800, Bob wrote: So I ran an apt-get dist-upgrade today and it broke booting gurb-pc wasn't updated (it was last updated on my system on the 2nd of march) linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 however was updated it ran update-grub as it should. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Command_Line_and_Rescue_Mode When I turn my PC on I end up at the grub prompt if I folow the instructions on the page above type set root=(hd0,1) linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro initrd /initrd.img boot the system boots. once booted I run one of the commands below reboot update-grub2 grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc only to end up at the grub prompt again. I have nice sata removable hard drive bays so when I'm doing this the USB drive is the only drive connected to the system root@USBHDebian:~# uname -a Linux USBHDebian 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Apr 30 05:20:23 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux root@USBHDebian:~# update-grub2 Generating grub.cfg ... Found background image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-2-amd64 Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-2-amd64 Found memtest86 image: /boot/memtest86.bin Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin Found memtest86+ multiboot image: /boot/memtest86+_multiboot.bin done root@USBHDebian:~# ls -la /dev/disk/by-id/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 May 10 22:40 . drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 120 May 10 22:40 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 11 02:40 ata-ST1000LM010-9YH146_Z110VXRS - ../../sda lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 May 11 02:40 ata-ST1000LM010-9YH146_Z110VXRS-part1 - ../../sda1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 11 02:40 scsi-SSeagatePortable - ../../sda lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 May 11 02:40 scsi-SSeagatePortable-part1 - ../../sda1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 11 02:40 wwn-0x5000c500464bb542 - ../../sda lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 May 11 02:40 wwn-0x5000c500464bb542-part1 - ../../sda1 root@USBHDebian:~# cat /boot/grub/device.map (hd0)/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SSeagatePortable root@USBHDebian:~# grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda Installation finished. No error reported. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time. Best Regards Bob Probably want to skip that --root-directory option, unless you're trying to avoid the mbr for some valid reason... Might want to stick with genuine Debian documentation, too, unless you're actually running Ubuntu... HTH! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120511105700.GA11353@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy: Can only play ogv video
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 04:44:02AM -0700, T Elcor wrote: --- On Fri, 5/11/12, Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: Another thing that works is go to the mplayer homepage and download one of the codecs packages, extract the codecs, and put them in /usr/lib/codecs (create it if it doesn't exist). Then install mplayer. I just installed mplayer and it does play MP4 files in a kind of smallish window. I always just use mplayer from the command line, it seems the best way for me... YMMV. Read man mplayer, and edit ~/.mplayer/config appropriately. But that doesn't appear to affect KDE integrated DragonPlayer or Kmplayer, that is, they still don't play MP4s. Not sure how to get them to work. Thanks My advice was not really meant to help with kde-specific stuff, as I know nearly nothing about it. I was just trying to help you play videos. There are certainly better newbie-friendly choices for desktop, BTW (gnome and xfce come to mind). Probably kde is best left to kde experts, or at least that was my impression the few times I played around with it. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120511121001.GA12519@radhesyama
Re: Evernote message: Emailed note was not submitted
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:34:41AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: You are obviously confused about a misconfiguration and *actual* spam. Actually spam is simply unsolicited, unwanted email. It really doesn't matter whether the cause is some twit trying to make his fortune off herbal viagra or some other twit who misconfigures his autoresponder. This obviously qualifies, and since my domain's email is hosted by google, I simply marked it as spam by moving it to the spam folder and now I no longer see these emails. As a side benefit, gmail now considers it spam for all their users and the twit in question now has a greatly reduced market/audioence. Win/win. :) Gmail does have some issues (many of which are mitigated by using mutt and accessing via imap), but spam is one thing they handle very nicely. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120511125116.GA13490@radhesyama
Re: Does anyone care about dialup?
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:48:00AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:39:56AM -0500, Indulekha wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 04:22:45PM +0200, Wilko Fokken wrote: After running 'pppconfig' to install a new dialup connection to a provider, I need to enter the directory /etc/ppp/peers/ and have to change the group of my new dialup entries to 'dip': chown root:dip provider I'd forgotten, but that was necessary here as well. That seems like a bug. Did you report it? No, I did not. In fact I forgot about it seconds after dealing with it, as it seemed so trivial. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120511125449.GB13490@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy USB Harddrive install grub2 issues
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 07:19:32PM +0800, Bob wrote: 8 snip Probably want to skip that --root-directory option, unless you're trying to avoid the mbr for some valid reason... I've tried it with and without. Might want to stick with genuine Debian documentation, too, unless you're actually running Ubuntu... I've had trouble finding much Grub2 documentation. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 is a bit sparse the GRUB site recommends the Ubuntu documentation http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-documentation.html info grub does produce more I'm trying to find the relevant bit at the moment. I see... Still, using that --root-directory=/ option will not install grub to your mbr, which is where you want it, and is only useful if you have another boot loader in the mbr with an option to point to your root directory's grub installation. Apparently you don't have such a setup. So do this instead: First, determine for sure what the designation of your drive really is -- could be sda, sdb, hda, etc -- you can use parted to check this if you're able to boot into debian, or use a live cd (the debian installer, systemrescuecd, etc). Then do: # grub-install /dev/whatever_disk_you_have_debian_installed_on #update-grub Should work, assuming you haven't done anything to the files in /etc /grub.d, and your initrd.img is proper... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120511131741.GC13490@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy: Can only play ogv video
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 06:22:49AM -0700, T Elcor wrote: --- On Fri, 5/11/12, Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: If you want the various codecs, you need the packages that contain them. The good, bad and ugly packages refer to the codec licensing Ah, I see. But it also kind of validates my point: it doesn't really make sense to install all three of them, does it? Anyway, at this point I'd be happy if I could just get MP4 files to play, forget other codecs. Actually it does make perfect sense if you want all the codecs, and insist on using multimedia software that depends on gstreamer's stuff! Odds are you'll need all those codecs if you want a beginner-friendly pointy-clicky multimedia setup anyeay, so just install them already. It takes a good deal of experience to independently decide what you do and don't need, that's why dependency handling is done by your package manager by default rather than by you. ;) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120511133304.GD13490@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy USB Harddrive install grub2 issues
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 08:17:41AM -0500, Indulekha wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 07:19:32PM +0800, Bob wrote: 8 snip Probably want to skip that --root-directory option, unless you're trying to avoid the mbr for some valid reason... I've tried it with and without. Might want to stick with genuine Debian documentation, too, unless you're actually running Ubuntu... I've had trouble finding much Grub2 documentation. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 is a bit sparse the GRUB site recommends the Ubuntu documentation http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-documentation.html info grub does produce more I'm trying to find the relevant bit at the moment. I see... Still, using that --root-directory=/ option will not install grub to your mbr, which is where you want it, and is only useful if you have another boot loader in the mbr with an option to point to your root directory's grub installation. Apparently you don't have such a setup. So do this instead: First, determine for sure what the designation of your drive really is -- could be sda, sdb, hda, etc -- you can use parted to check this if you're able to boot into debian, or use a live cd (the debian installer, systemrescuecd, etc). Then do: # grub-install /dev/whatever_disk_you_have_debian_installed_on #update-grub Should work, assuming you haven't done anything to the files in /etc /grub.d, and your initrd.img is proper... Actually, I just remembered something -- depending on how many usb disks you have plugged in at boot, the /dev/sdx assignment may change, and in my experience grub is terrible at dealing with that in spite of allegedly using uuid... For instance, I have two usb drives, either of which may be designated /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc by the system -- if I plug both in and try to boot from one of them, it may or may not work as a result. If I plug only one in and grub considers it /dev/sdb it will always work. I don't know why grub should care about the /dev/sdn designation if it has access to the uuid, this strikes me as incredibly stupid and would seem to indicate that uuid support in grub is only partially implemented (i.e still requires dev/sdn to be correct or uuid search fails). But that's the way it seems to work, nonetheless. So when you install grub and boot, if possible make sure no other usb disks are plugged in and see how that goes. Or maybe *I'm* doing something incorrectly and someone can correct me. Wouldn't be the first time... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120511134645.GE13490@radhesyama
Re: OT: More about GPG signing
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:47:04PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2012 09:16:33 -0400 Jeremy T. Bouse jeremy.bo...@undergrid.net wrote: Hello Jeremy, those that wish to do so. Inline simply generates too much needless noise and is a method that's at least 10 years out dated since the PGP/MIME standard was adopted. Whilst the above is true, it's also true that inline signing isn't going away soon because of certain companies reticence about implementing it correctly or at all. I think the point is that if a person knows how to sign then they know how to sign only what is necessary. This list does not required signed email, nor does it only recognize inline. So really, it's pretty simple issue. Can't imagine why so many people fail to grasp it, unless they just don't want to. As Scott said, it becomes a digital fetish for some people. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120511141223.GA15035@radhesyama
Re: data recovery tools for debian (command line)
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:49:28AM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: if i mistakenly delete any partition or OS or HD corrupted. what is the best tool that i can use to recover the data in these situations. just wanted to test this stuff in my test environment. note : i work with command line only. so preferably tool should be command line supported. since i don't like to use mouse :-) Thanks Testdisk will rescue lost partitions, worked well for me a few times... It also contains photorec, handy for rescuing lost files ad dirs. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120510071400.GA15576@radhesyama
Re: OT: More about GPG signing
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 06:40:42PM +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote: Hello Tony, Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: What is the benefit of such a signature? Those who know him now can verify the signature. In addition, if at any later stage someone else claims to have posted this message, the OP can prove that it was indeed him who posted it. Everybody else interested in either the OP or the message can also verify the signature (though that might require some work to, for example, meet the OP personally). However, you are absolutely free to ignore the signature if it is of no value to you and most clients will even hide it by default (or show a small button). There is, however, no way to avoid excessive quoting, which can easily exceed the size of a signature. Best regards, Claudius -- Patageometry, n.: The study of those mathematical properties that are invariant under brain transplants. http://chubig.net telnet nightfall.org 4242 Actually, depending on the editor one uses to compose email, there are ways to avoid quoting the hideous block of text. In vim, for instance, just put this in your .vimrc: map ,kqs :/^[ ]* -- *$/;?^[ ][ ]*$?;.,/^[ ]*$/-1dCR There also also ways to do this in emacs, jed, etc, but I don't know them as I just use vim. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120510173242.GA25617@radhesyama
Re: OT: More about GPG signing
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:25:39PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 18:40 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote: Hello Tony, Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: What is the benefit of such a signature? Those who know him now can verify the signature. In addition, if at any later stage someone else claims to have posted this message, the OP can prove that it was indeed him who posted it. Everybody else interested in either the OP or the message can also verify the signature (though that might require some work to, for example, meet the OP personally). And what is the benefit of this on an open mailing list? To ensure that somebody called or didn't call somebody else names, gave right or wrong information? IMO this is infantile. Don't get me wrong! I'm not against signing, if other people wish to do. It anyway is senseless. Be careful now Ralf, some people consider their e-peens sacred! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120510173619.GB25617@radhesyama
Re: OT: More about GPG signing
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 08:01:51PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 12:32 -0500, Indulekha wrote: -- Patageometry, n.: The study of those mathematical properties that are invariant under brain transplants. http://chubig.net telnet nightfall.org 4242 Actually, depending on the editor one uses to compose email, there are ways to avoid quoting the hideous block of text. In vim, for instance, just put this in your .vimrc: map ,kqs :/^[ ]* -- *$/;?^[ ][ ]*$?;.,/^[ ]*$/-1dCR There also also ways to do this in emacs, jed, etc, but I don't know them as I just use vim. And you anyway didn't cut the signature (not signing) of the previous mail ;). Yes, it seems to work only on the gpg/pgp sigs consistently. I know too little about it, frankly, and got really burned out on having this kind of issue, so once I managed to not quote the gpg block I pronounced it good enough. Interestingly, someone on the list immediately responded by doing something to elude this, as well as my mutt display-filter, and also proudly announced his return to long, weird signatures. That pretty much proved to me he was deliberately trolling, so I now filter him. Problem solved. An open mailing list should be usable with all common mailers. KMail, Thunderbird, Mutt, Evolution etc.. 2 Cents, Ralf +1 But life is chock full of problems other people cause via poor decisions and defective reasoning, best just learn to work around it. When that can't be done without strain there's always filtering. But this list is pretty good, most people are kind, respectful, knowledgeable, and helpful. The fact I've only felt compelled to filter one person is a very good sign. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120510190241.GA27644@radhesyama
Re: Wheezy: Can only play ogv video
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 02:07:05PM -0700, T Elcor wrote: --- On Thu, 5/10/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I'm booted to Ubuntu Studio Precise, I can't reboot to Debian, I've got no time. On Ubuntu I've got installed: [...snip...] Thanks, that's a lot of packages though. I was hoping for a more succinct list, just the packages I need to play mp4, avi and wmv, in addition to ogv. I just use vlc, mplayer, and w32codecs. With those three it seems I can play anything. In fact, vlc alone is probably enough. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2012051115.GA1799@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:20:08PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 09.05.2012 11:56, Jon Dowland kirjoitti: On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 12:29:31PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: Bob's PGP signature is valid - yours is not You waste our time and bandwidth. In what way? I can verify Mika's signatures just fine. The signatures are valid. Bob's key validates his identity - yours does not. I can verify that Bob is Bob through a chain of trust. Why does Mikka's not? It's not impossible for someone to have a trust path to Mikka. Albeit one step removed, since the signing key he uses has one signature, from another of his keys - but that one has at least one. (I haven't managed to construct a trust path to Mikka myself, since most of the public pathfinder servers don't have his key) Because nobody else near Kotka, Finland uses PGP and the nearest CAcert assurers are after 110KMs from me. PS. I am back to weird long signatures. I won't comment to this thread anymore nor to anything else which I haven't written in my signature or elsewhere. Bye. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120509125701.GB11415@radhesyama
Re: Does anyone care about dialup?
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 04:22:45PM +0200, Wilko Fokken wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:50:33PM -0500, Indulekha wrote: I live in a very remote rural area, so dialup is my only option. Someone else suggested wvdial, which works and is good, but I prefer to use pppconfig to create the connection, pon/poff to start/end it, and pppstatus so I can see how many curse words and which ones are appropriate when waiting for things to download. Indulekha Moin, I am living the same way in rural Germany. With Lenny, using 'pppconfig', I am having no problems with dialup connections, except: After running 'pppconfig' to install a new dialup connection to a provider, I need to enter the directory /etc/ppp/peers/ and have to change the group of my new dialup entries to 'dip': chown root:dip provider I'd forgotten, but that was necessary here as well. Unfortunately, I can't find a provider anymore, who provides a constant dialup connection: They all switch their connection parameters regularly, so that a cheap dialup connection suddenly turns into a altered connection with costs up to 15 cents/min. Therefore I wrote some shell scripts in order to protect myself from monetary hassle relying on data given under www.teltarif.de As my shell scripts qualify as private-alpha, I put just a few lines here to give an overview of actual cheap German dialup connections: # #! /bin/sh # Get an overview of cheap dialup connections in Germany from www.teltarif.de # --- # (Note: requires an already working internet access) # (dialup connection online?) if [ -f /var/run/ppp0.pid ]; then wget -q -O - www.teltarif.de/db/res-inet.html?zs=jetzt | \ html2text -nobs | tee /tmp/teltarif-all.txt cat /tmp/teltarif.txt | cut -d\ -f2- /tmp/teltarif.cut recode lat1..UTF-8 /tmp/tel* clear head -n 100 /tmp/teltarif-all.txt | tail -n 36; echo ls -l /tmp/teltarif-all.txt else echo echo No dialup connection online echo fi # Good Lucks, Germans! (or you pays your bucks, Hermann) What a hassle! I've also had very little luck finding a reasonable provider here in Tennessee. They all cut you off after four hours max, sometimes every ten minutes at peak use times. First I tried earthlink, but they cut you off every single time you download more than ~1.5MB. Then copper, but they informed me there is a 300 hour maximum use per month (on unlimited accounts). Currently I'm using earth-comm, at least I can download things and no usage limits, plus it's dirt cheap. But having to reconnect frequently is a drag. Some days I get the full four hours before they cut me off, some days they do it every 10-15 minutes. The TOS warn that if you use a script to avoid the cutoff your service will be terminated. It's the only real drawback to living here. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120509163956.GA15393@radhesyama
Re: Does anyone care about dialup?
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 10:05:29AM -0700, Go Linux wrote: --- On Wed, 5/9/12, Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: What a hassle! I've also had very little luck finding a reasonable provider here in Tennessee. Check out VTISP.com. They offer a bare connection for Linux users. Service was reliable until ATT screwed up locally. Hey thanks for that, I will check them out. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120509222049.GB6065@radhesyama
Re: Does anyone care about dialup?
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 10:05:29AM -0700, Go Linux wrote: --- On Wed, 5/9/12, Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: What a hassle! I've also had very little luck finding a reasonable provider here in Tennessee. Check out VTISP.com. They offer a bare connection for Linux users. Service was reliable until ATT screwed up locally. Reading the TOS at that site reveals they have a 100 hour/month limit, which if exceeded will render the account inoperative until the next billing cycle. It's almost as if there's a conspiracy to keep people in locations like mine on the wrong side of the digital divide... Weird. Thanks for trying, though! :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120509224145.GA6781@radhesyama
Re: Does anyone care about dialup?
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 04:55:40PM -0700, Paul Zimmerman wrote: songbird songb...@anthive.com writes: as to specifics why gnome-ppp doesn't work and bugs that's the usual volunteers do what interests them. if you want it fixed, get the code and fix it. if you want someone else to fix it, pay them. Yes, that seems to be the core of the issue. The people actually putting together these distros are sitting in well-wired offices and never bother to use dialup themselves, so it never occurs to them to test these parts of the system. Everything is in disarray. File permissions need changed, config files need to be edited. It's raw development work that should be done before the ISO image for the distro is even created. The file permissions issue is *very* minor, takes seconds to identify and resolve. And of course, needing to edit config files is perfectly normal, the devs aren't psychic and there are many different hardware setups. Also I think lots of people are using ppp, because that's what you need to connect through a cell modem. I personally appreciate that Debian is more flexible/powerful than idiot-proof, that's one of the major reasons I choose to use it. YMMV... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120510004011.GA8268@radhesyama
Re: putting audio files onto a DVD
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:04:21AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 10/05/12 10:11, Whit Hansell wrote: Sorry for the interruption but have tried to find a linux program which will allow me to put andio files onto DVD's. I have one particular file which is just too large to fit on a CD and so wanted to put it on a DVD but haven't been able to find a way to do it. The files is an .mp3 and I need it to play on a dvd player as an audio file. i can copy it as a data file but that will only play on a computer. Anyone know of a program which will do audio files onto DVD's? TIA Whit I'm not sure I understand what you want To me an audio CD/DVD is a format of CD/DVD readable by CD players (music only). WAV files. An iso of an audio CD is not possible. A video CD/DVD is a format of CD/DVD readable by DVD players. VOB files. An iso of a video CD/DVD is possible. A data CD/DVD is a format readable by data CD/DVD players. Any file type. An iso is possible. You can use K3B (or the GNOME equivalent) to burn an audio DVD - it will convert the mp3 to a wav and burn it to DVD in a single session. But you can't put anything else on that DVD - and there's no guarantee it'll play in a DVD player (some don't like burnt music CD/DVDs). Many modern DVD players will play mp3 files on a data DVD/CD though (don't need the audio CD format). PS. It's also possible to add music tracks to a video DVD but I don't know how to do it. Not quite -- what the OP seeks is a way to write dvda (dvd audio) formatted dvds. I'm really not sure how to do that, as someone who rarely bothers with optical discs, but if no better aswer turns up here the term is dvd-aduio or dvda. I suspect the dvdauthor package might offer this, but am not sure... Wodim's man page says nothig about it here, using apt-cache search and aptitude search for dvda, dvd-audio, etc reveals nothing. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120510012634.GA9572@radhesyama
Re: putting audio files onto a DVD
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 08:26:34PM -0500, Indulekha wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:04:21AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 10/05/12 10:11, Whit Hansell wrote: Sorry for the interruption but have tried to find a linux program which will allow me to put andio files onto DVD's. I have one particular file which is just too large to fit on a CD and so wanted to put it on a DVD but haven't been able to find a way to do it. The files is an .mp3 and I need it to play on a dvd player as an audio file. i can copy it as a data file but that will only play on a computer. Anyone know of a program which will do audio files onto DVD's? TIA Whit I'm not sure I understand what you want To me an audio CD/DVD is a format of CD/DVD readable by CD players (music only). WAV files. An iso of an audio CD is not possible. A video CD/DVD is a format of CD/DVD readable by DVD players. VOB files. An iso of a video CD/DVD is possible. A data CD/DVD is a format readable by data CD/DVD players. Any file type. An iso is possible. You can use K3B (or the GNOME equivalent) to burn an audio DVD - it will convert the mp3 to a wav and burn it to DVD in a single session. But you can't put anything else on that DVD - and there's no guarantee it'll play in a DVD player (some don't like burnt music CD/DVDs). Many modern DVD players will play mp3 files on a data DVD/CD though (don't need the audio CD format). PS. It's also possible to add music tracks to a video DVD but I don't know how to do it. Not quite -- what the OP seeks is a way to write dvda (dvd audio) formatted dvds. I'm really not sure how to do that, as someone who rarely bothers with optical discs, but if no better aswer turns up here the term is dvd-aduio or dvda. I suspect the dvdauthor package might offer this, but am not sure... Wodim's man page says nothig about it here, using apt-cache search and aptitude search for dvda, dvd-audio, etc reveals nothing. Sorry, forgot to mention that I've seen it said Brassero can do this in Ubuntu, so maybe it can for us as well. HTH! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120510013208.GB9572@radhesyama
Re: putting audio files onto a DVD
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:35:00AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 10/05/12 11:26, Indulekha wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:04:21AM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: snipped Not quite You are mistaken. H... -- what the OP seeks is a way to write dvda (dvd audio) formatted dvds. I'm really not sure how to do that, as someone who rarely bothers with optical discs, but if no better aswer turns up here the term is dvd-aduio or dvda. DVDA is an old(-ish) and (very) poorly supported audio format. Very few players support it. I only know all three of my cheap dvd players do support it -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120510014033.GA9841@radhesyama
gpg/pgp noise
Hi, I'm getting this with most gog/pgp-signed mails received from this list (using mutt): [-- PGP output follows (current time: Tue 08 May 2012 05:35:27 AM CDT) --] gpgkeys: key 7356B378DEA22DE9 not found on keyserver gpg: Signature made Tue 08 May 2012 02:04:44 AM CDT using RSA key ID DEA22DE9 gpg: requesting key DEA22DE9 from ldap server keyserver.pgp.com gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: Total number processed: 0 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found [-- End of PGP output --] [-- The following data is signed --] PGP signature could NOT be verified. --- My public key has been published, and I followed the exact procedure I used last time in muttrc to make this crap work. Am I powerless over other peoples' misconfigured gpg here, or does this indicate some error on my part? Anyone know a way to simply filter out all that annoying gpg/pgp noise? I don't actually care if it really works, just don't want to see the garbage huge blocks of text and error messages. Have read way to many howtos and am contemplating just filtering all gpg/pgp users. I don't want to, but neither do I want to spend hoours working to accomodate the people who insist on signing mail to a mailing list -- Thanks! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508104317.GA8764@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 01:51:48PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: That keyserver which you are using seems to be offline and I don't know how used it is. The recommended keyserver is pool.sks-keyservers.net according to gnupg-user mailing list. You probably have line like this in your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf: keyserver keyserver.pgp.com Try replacing it with keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net Thanks! That fixed the upfront error messages, but I still have to see this at the end: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPqPrCAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoldgP/j57l3rrC5QB0sRIPapsMU2Y kNvKhpeho/ZrBQhLOKG/lqmD8+1bcypGCyngruMcwI281dfj7kEPx9p+cNcU/nnN mTlFDlSmBnoBO+uM5b2anHwqsQxf7Uxw+NbkbmexxO4B3J48pfIZS7/nWl9/vdTz 5QLHYYpROc9j7ScIhNJCxX+jBzYj7NQdsG8IQDRukTdfoUqXIfhDita6lRRzwZvf I5AXy/AKASxhbBc4HL2CAYoZdSn6072YjXIQS5swuDKcB0sRBNJLMTH71P2mXPhr nRTWuNTLXsz+DEHUSCmBYv/zbwIcipBqHCaEVvfpJo7IZXe3D/mfCM/KL9nMj8Ga k+ddnVBo7Z2ExhrkD7VAYGpr+VW/tai1FKNTyYqws1BwSoix68ikCnjd9ykPCnAY 9h4N85T/oJoCTtXJ1ErJojNivR2gG0PJMpCzBX0xnKViRNX+le8acUsL8JazQZ4h ODos6vJpSavqs0DmPItjm95t1m0DAo+5VKuMmlndnhRTDRvotSAGswcQknJCSG5o 6c67q0hqBvgEGkN78vBe4uAU6g6YXm49pel7OKE7apA3Y4bIYVqSEDNyMXbm6Hhb E7LpNLK3OKtv8/HXPrqLPgidLgcKRP9F/fpjI6Rh28PTXiskIdwu95Oy484IkhdP 0kyY3RcbcadKb/Jlged5 =q4Hv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fa8fac4.9010...@hotmail.com -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508110725.GA9283@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Increasing the pool of servers that gpg checks may alleviate your problem but it's more than likely to be people haven't exported their key. Mine has been exported. See how you view that one. Cheers, Thanks, Phil. After adding the keyserver Mika suggested, I no longer see the error messages but do still have to see this messy block of text at the end: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPqPsiAAoJECPmYW6gk8JjitcH/RGtSdn39OPewwyXYgebGiUy Ws29uZkfae4LlD9LRQeGQujHVW7bzMVCW2EXdRsCGIbpU0+KUjYGJebXKtwzNmLU C1Uc7tVGUtACQ/S9DgFX1oBD4C7Siirdgokk+8HggVcqvGYs2jnxg5tetU+G18pE UQ9jxxaf48EANwHDgildQ85xHJk3DnWvfsvUASlobQIDq/vRmbLNPjdfBe1rp7R/ Y8m7+3vxIsnSYrT8oeAGoDGJe3PrdJ6EP96VFJBjXARportrx+8YowUyEKeRyqf6 EUNcXZILLpPJOqcyUsyxRALmGoTYqhHne6TQwZ6ZcGxihNl3+i/WFYQmHNBdTSU= =M9O6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2012050856.GB9283@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 12:20:56PM +0100, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 08 May 2012 12:11:56 Indulekha wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Increasing the pool of servers that gpg checks may alleviate your problem but it's more than likely to be people haven't exported their key. Mine has been exported. See how you view that one. Cheers, Thanks, Phil. After adding the keyserver Mika suggested, I no longer see the error messages but do still have to see this messy block of text at the end: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPqPsiAAoJECPmYW6gk8JjitcH/RGtSdn39OPewwyXYgebGiUy Ws29uZkfae4LlD9LRQeGQujHVW7bzMVCW2EXdRsCGIbpU0+KUjYGJebXKtwzNmLU C1Uc7tVGUtACQ/S9DgFX1oBD4C7Siirdgokk+8HggVcqvGYs2jnxg5tetU+G18pE UQ9jxxaf48EANwHDgildQ85xHJk3DnWvfsvUASlobQIDq/vRmbLNPjdfBe1rp7R/ Y8m7+3vxIsnSYrT8oeAGoDGJe3PrdJ6EP96VFJBjXARportrx+8YowUyEKeRyqf6 EUNcXZILLpPJOqcyUsyxRALmGoTYqhHne6TQwZ6ZcGxihNl3+i/WFYQmHNBdTSU= =M9O6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- But did you after Phil's? That's what you see above, Phil's signature. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508112719.GA9557@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 01:20:21PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: Indulekha: Anyone know a way to simply filter out all that annoying gpg/pgp noise? muttrc: set display_filter='sed -f ~/.mutt/display-filter' ~/.mutt/display-filter: /^gpg:/d J. -- I no longer believe in father christmas but have no trouble comprehending a nuclear apocalypse. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html Thanks so much, that did the trick. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 12:34:02PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/05/12 12:29, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:20, Lisi kirjoitti: On Tuesday 08 May 2012 12:11:56 Indulekha wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: Increasing the pool of servers that gpg checks may alleviate your problem but it's more than likely to be people haven't exported their key. Mine has been exported. See how you view that one. Cheers, Thanks, Phil. After adding the keyserver Mika suggested, I no longer see the error messages but do still have to see this messy block of text at the end: But did you after Phil's? Lisi That signature block informs to be bad signature from Phil. Viestin sisennettyä osaa (vastausta) on luultavasti muokattu (In English: The indented part of message (reply) has been possibly changed) gpg -komento ja -tuloste: In English: gpg -command and -output: /usr/bin/gpg2 gpg: Signature made ti 8. toukokuuta 2012 13.53.22 EEST using RSA key ID A093C263 gpg: BAD signature from Phil Dobbin bukowskis...@gmail.com That's because the email client didn't snip the quoted previous message correctly therefore part of the original signature was still included. Cheers, Phil... - -- currently (ab)using Debian Squeeze, Fedora Verne, OS X Snow Leopard, Ubuntu Oneiric -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPqQSqAAoJECPmYW6gk8JjgoAIAJrz/H6d02x4pe6YaeHZ7Eh9 66bxQhuOvvGzvYZ4hTmgeK5KNLEjO0ldlArVbtbEX5VQflPZXGMg394X5jAU6Lgr yOShLd1VSJH7bwPKq2AudOEO9CutGgu1JOWNAsUo96q1aRnqhYH8cuerpsMSWTaa DZX+GEpHgVbCd69jS3f++lZ+95oop7SmbS9qhDyfKd8E/DTWEIP+Va7OFRAVAeKu TFHAuNM2Vn9WheZ4XYkHLDLVXhVnFgk8FBCpxmeta4Gm8FUkWiGnFxHcYpP7onCk lCJRv9I5DRZY/3e9RsEiAzJD+CDbIgOgP5NsPxPONYHgf/Ei5+WD4yCN9wr6Z8E= =6CrI -END PGP SIGNATURE- No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508114030.GC9951@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:29:39PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 08.05.2012 14:20, Lisi kirjoitti: On Tuesday 08 May 2012 12:11:56 Indulekha wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: Increasing the pool of servers that gpg checks may alleviate your problem but it's more than likely to be people haven't exported their key. Mine has been exported. See how you view that one. Cheers, Thanks, Phil. After adding the keyserver Mika suggested, I no longer see the error messages but do still have to see this messy block of text at the end: But did you after Phil's? Lisi That signature block informs to be bad signature from Phil. Viestin sisennettyä osaa (vastausta) on luultavasti muokattu (In English: The indented part of message (reply) has been possibly changed) gpg -komento ja -tuloste: In English: gpg -command and -output: /usr/bin/gpg2 gpg: Signature made ti 8. toukokuuta 2012 13.53.22 EEST using RSA key ID A093C263 gpg: BAD signature from Phil Dobbin bukowskis...@gmail.com - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 http://mkaysi.github.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPqQOhAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoIlAP/jo6enkTnXc0Ko9pvtJ8Xx5T 3lipNMEO0IEf1CN0Yz7392rr/8hvzSTCrBZPXQOyWs7D5EDTlTFsyq9c25MTv1vg mGyu0MECbhDuBBG+1XbZpSGIJpHW2GWCcepr55IR7efA3kDhRfYUbbFoey9Uq85g Co78ZzfebVvDchcDs/gFnIrq093YTfKgc9sJTJFFmejNjOZMty8XYVjvkDaYA+Kv FhFqKO/EsAtUxotHMR2ZhFQrBBXJELIgoDOhgMK/zoSfsXsY2gTgCGxhSf8fRC3g 1bpX7qAJ3c0+VcQzWm1GnWKIgPZJgLHmmhPBryszB+fZQuJ4E6arSfvOY/Kiryrr 30rrbqmGFBfEiDziZ4aDEvE3ArajsmW10HZv5VfdBV7dWVgxZgm0+JP6Q3NsvZpp AfMeV/fUl8dzyXzlZ0ddFkdBl09VCWw2/oCAwLzutfEoUSA0sXLh2njd17gTrOBc 7Z23l78fuTOR1BxXp9/8lJwzOydv9QRd66/jUAZ74lSrIKDslsWsgvkQx0PK0u78 lp2xFJVtMQpcrllmxbo3DbB/QAGkYPppl+706sAeOl9FtWXpbdwoc6fx5hB2DRQ+ Sos35nWjSSkuIJdRd1KkWAr0miNXUxUQ8n5avgKmbmaypIENGMcVRVKH30dNMrBN 7eqBx4ci5qNUlUBRGpQl =QAdu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Yes, yours also still shows the (useless) text block at the end. Jochem Spieker setup is correct, and the block is gone using the recipe he provided. A few years ago I went through all this for the exact same reasons, and ISTR at least half of all pgp/gpg signed mail I received was done incorrectly I just hate that. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508114651.GD9951@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:43:11PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 08.05.2012 14:40, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 12:34:02PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: On 08/05/12 12:29, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:20, Lisi kirjoitti: On Tuesday 08 May 2012 12:11:56 Indulekha wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 11:53:23AM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: Increasing the pool of servers that gpg checks may alleviate your problem but it's more than likely to be people haven't exported their key. Mine has been exported. See how you view that one. Cheers, Thanks, Phil. After adding the keyserver Mika suggested, I no longer see the error messages but do still have to see this messy block of text at the end: But did you after Phil's? Lisi That signature block informs to be bad signature from Phil. Viestin sisennettyä osaa (vastausta) on luultavasti muokattu (In English: The indented part of message (reply) has been possibly changed) gpg -komento ja -tuloste: In English: gpg -command and -output: /usr/bin/gpg2 gpg: Signature made ti 8. toukokuuta 2012 13.53.22 EEST using RSA key ID A093C263 gpg: BAD signature from Phil Dobbin bukowskis...@gmail.com That's because the email client didn't snip the quoted previous message correctly therefore part of the original signature was still included. Cheers, Phil... No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration Phil is right, that security error came, because you wrote your message between content, which he had signed. Enigmail automatically removes signatures of other people when replying to signed message. - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 http://mkaysi.github.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPqQbNAAoJEE21PP6CpGcovIEP/jcm0+kccXOLhjC1sv7bvECr f/c1j6w8EFv2XmYdW1VPSQ2U8bGD3XgguuuRh12eG3M7udz0iaaSs0UBENHmLZpc VrvYwXJ42VVRm1Wrm56Ta/v4SftBO0kbwrgkzqPrsptlboqUbQRE9XCGrgV4kKVM zFgle9YWKP1bDHdJs9VyCUYDjg4BPei3NthBltGjIxmHXbj0OCqzlhh552eVLbi3 JRRjDtZ9ettTW9BgULNNdBhbI3PqZWVKpEjjc9J9DB+6XXjwS5Mf1JhT6WHlSYJl 5fEbjRw6Og7pzU21gVC2Zhsi5LqzM8dIZyvndExtHsD3cC6/JDd4TDQEaJE8JilJ wMrUfZ0DXTYhhrpv/zEaAogPkJi8uBlx6jtDsMCvn4NiIX34OtVTRLLZ75Tu0lz4 bpLto68jzhIEKuhAAnTn0teQVTtjCl5bnwVYdAyWTwCSgnkVEy27WgwyMDtklx/Z lOhrlZIQG/IBiNA47N6QUBZHm0KDNsfB3TICiY7tczkSFRFbBeguPWXe2mJhGRfD vxuZ8cXLnsZ0fPWprSZ7oY0GdPfloWJ4Ckvs8b0RtavB62F7XNNtF4/V36JLI54b TBbbzASLy92PPPGXYZ1vG/WKFWd0CqWb1G59yu5CG9QWw/efRkDSoQp416/cNOGA S33PPm5VnVuLsJXWf8J/ =qHVs -END PGP SIGNATURE- I despise thunderchicken, and will not be using enigmail. It seems to me hardly anyone who uses gpg does so correctly... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508115023.GE9951@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 01:45:59PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: Indulekha: No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration This is inline vs. MIME: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html Aha, so yours is inline or MIME? And is there a recipe for muttrc to hide the other kind? -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:53:30PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 08.05.2012 14:45, Jochen Spieker kirjoitti: Indulekha: No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration This is inline vs. MIME: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html J. And that page forgets the problems in MIME. PGP/MIME requires headers, message and the signature.asc to be verified. Some mailing list programs mess up with the headers and this way make PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable. In INLINE, the signature is in message and it doesn't require headers to be verified so it's harder to be messed up by mailing list software. - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 http://mkaysi.github.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPqQk4AAoJEE21PP6CpGcofI4QAJCvZvkMdD3j+u50lychq1uI z/6y09J2yksnlTePk+E1XMGTdAuMdYqpykJtpVFugUDTIUHXpH6uFThwC6yoIsN+ CYLOW7WLcD2P+D026Q4ZH4uYoBVMW3z7bVYBxbm+3E4jAZfFjOXVF2ngpbUY3sAH OrnSFz+cwey4OYmwevvpUFhDyzZauOGsw+A1B8s97SsnwYn0jJlNx8Fq0sBIZHso Q4XoVY+3KNeyjnDfLrpG/SIoHZsRKqrrTLN/nKO9PYaoQVyCDmhcH9YSQLRrK2Wi +ZpC8bePguGWw/jAQz7k6aqwaRR9pRWXXEGPb9cdLp+cjOCNgJF2kmrH9QPGrZ2A /QZv+TdTU8E0YpBUeR6YF1WnpzqjHCGcP5ab7SfR912GOfBdH43Xk7FPlciljQoZ sbPuwsFmo8Ixx2NKkfczsvkwtR7iIJLK//G+Tv5PUp4Ce5JPPflOC198CN1N7DF4 S3L6SgXT2CxtCGbnI1fkJRGh2DSJ0V+GvIIk4otHdIitvE6yzDZiWk6il7CCdDab /rnNaYN/699szwVHYScZuNS1XkjrPfPIcVNtxTPFYWPPIao4fndkYtumLYxoXX5o xK3OoQe4Hc7igkcBN2xlejP+SBC2dBBlP4cO/gYWLV/ZkKthwef7EFXW2uMGquLZ rgPVFfkhtLf9j2KSvxv6 =OXcs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Well, all I know is that Jochen Spieker is able to use it without being intrusive Maybe you should try to follow his example? :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508115755.GG9951@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:57:27PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 08.05.2012 14:52, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 01:45:59PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: Indulekha: No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration This is inline vs. MIME: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html Aha, so yours is inline or MIME? And is there a recipe for muttrc to hide the other kind? INLINE is this ugly mess in the end of message. PGP/MIME is signature.asc file and some headers. - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 http://mkaysi.github.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPqQomAAoJEE21PP6CpGcojtYP/j7DTBpLyAs0KmF8smVAX3Fp 7Ji8Rqgsn29hydoIdiyVCBQUs91qM/ylFUTvlEsyVxQAiVH8+jgSd+trhWCneoL5 WA2v5IA1AlRry5efj2FnJGQ87+oyLRlJ74wIbBzUuZd/YmCPyMMuxRdFVua/kd+y KtF5rPPJ2S3ISo85ERfhd/qN3qJ99Qg2J22+M+lahtFkCf4Vd7aRt0xJbELq+vFe sBGoha5U3WaCDSdG48NhoxhMa76X8E85RJQ+VbMjlDUSpDcBxBkUzdOxPNMbFNBi lkPMlVfjk84Qsve0ruTSUXAi0pj2X2Jw/rEB2SzcyS1M35Nq/mpeCBedCuObaTzf 1WAEsoDgbzOwriWUIIXiD8oz2SZcjnm+twOWm/PzfYJHGnxmZCDDh8FJ/pqxWrqX bGp+iAEvKelOfdp6YyzG3qzpu+uBR8IuaOa4MlQWkmVK3QXE/UrFlD9CyNi2bw6E +L685EI2x3uKxjvgeQPPRKQOKgUx79opQ9Awi7NpK5nwsyLLL2cGp+JvXe6Z8hNy 5zjwsUo9ujKxlnhI1N5Ezfk8lX7dbgcBDhEdYWHLKx6k1PKbk9+FsSGts2/UdioV LN3i2iDQhgmufoT4n/4wX4lH4HtuuefmN5HU1BV85oox9ht32rjqvArLXCoyO0Ea oNAYtLym+YxZJvidRYHt =WrJN -END PGP SIGNATURE- So why don't you just switch to MIME then, and be done with the ugly mess? -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508120142.GH9951@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:00:16PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 08.05.2012 14:57, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:53:30PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:45, Jochen Spieker kirjoitti: Indulekha: No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration This is inline vs. MIME: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html J. And that page forgets the problems in MIME. PGP/MIME requires headers, message and the signature.asc to be verified. Some mailing list programs mess up with the headers and this way make PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable. In INLINE, the signature is in message and it doesn't require headers to be verified so it's harder to be messed up by mailing list software. Well, all I know is that Jochen Spieker is able to use it without being intrusive Maybe you should try to follow his example? :) If I used PGP/MIME, my signatures couldn't be verified on Ubuntu mailing lists (I am on 5 of them if I recall correctly), nor Enigmail mailing list nor gnupg-user mailing lists nor many others. This is small list of those MLs, which I mean with http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/Clearsigning.html . - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 http://mkaysi.github.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPqQrNAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoVhkQAIcHael5c6lkF7nUennVwaBz om4wUj4n5zW3TSfr1F4k0OO0saTZgXOU9zgevtXwVHvaO+SaxjId3ngTfwAUFmHN 8mxvCStFkYw578Q0y520d0GdLFD8f3H4BAuSMAQx9Lotgp5XJcRTbiT2ng/79GqJ QUdPC6S6/A/WiQqO7tue8pTnNmSJPEzye1dEhdVzA+LMSmaqTGrVTUEAEVnKzFmo kXKf7SYM1TKfDQOEXKurRRSogj/2xtjDiXkGQiqrnNDw/k/E5f2oSIn4fx1Nx/gF miZ8o1A8AAvYhEamPBRM3R+OnZHKLROAc+9oAOM+TxnVyfXVTVDuCVOf6TUgsXh1 A0gpeoeaMutG052jJC8oT82o0Aclce92Iq+DwG0UkhMMc0JCApMeAAb1SJN3jdI6 7Ec2oR1XJ3Tci9FJx3TfyfLizzZHxjx+gP17qSQsSJ08fpvb+nCJgYUFh+5jmpMK FpbTNvRCFd4g9RBA3KivNgF+fQJLi7xblMOFR+2TiWr9e8782SdDrQG47Yx1iz6y YIlKTcNSNFwmCxtCohXbDji6L6/jTY4Rt/Z7IbPrIQAcYfUE07sJiPa2jhtYokRS i8FKvkXfNmZdCEev98Ik6gb+Ntm0y6GfUKzZoEmQE2SB+Q4pgXZOF/EQ7vj5L5Iw 3LG2NhfYmdYQ2R6okRbS =Kx3T -END PGP SIGNATURE- I see... so the people on the *proper* msiling lists will just have to suffer then, eh? :\ -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508120323.GI9951@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 01:05:10PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/05/12 13:03, Indulekha wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:00:16PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:57, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:53:30PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:45, Jochen Spieker kirjoitti: Indulekha: No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration This is inline vs. MIME: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html J. And that page forgets the problems in MIME. PGP/MIME requires headers, message and the signature.asc to be verified. Some mailing list programs mess up with the headers and this way make PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable. In INLINE, the signature is in message and it doesn't require headers to be verified so it's harder to be messed up by mailing list software. Well, all I know is that Jochen Spieker is able to use it without being intrusive Maybe you should try to follow his example? :) If I used PGP/MIME, my signatures couldn't be verified on Ubuntu mailing lists (I am on 5 of them if I recall correctly), nor Enigmail mailing list nor gnupg-user mailing lists nor many others. This is small list of those MLs, which I mean with http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/Clearsigning.html . I see... so the people on the *proper* msiling lists will just have to suffer then, eh? :\ Well, if that's all you have to suffer, I'd give thanks :-) Cheers, Phil... - -- currently (ab)using Debian Squeeze, Fedora Verne, OS X Snow Leopard, Ubuntu Oneiric -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPqQv1AAoJECPmYW6gk8Jj7DMH/3hAtVDtQQKJ1xm5UJ+y7HqA dNnahhck+UkHdSRcr67t1ah2TgBXshPdRH9FGhhfIk3LJtedxHC2/PQh7ucVKN4H IoH6/Kox+9ctMSI1HcrnfuFoAsaRUdyzc/c4PbIW3RRGbWuaQ/iSx0EFIGgqQM9K +3yTQnY5kZZAVs2WXOyeqVqRf13bSP+a1T0PYWHPFyi/ac5RHgZBgJ0OGQ6lWeiK tqqZXenbKrXpnwLH5KrZz5JDOoBa5KicW7woGEfMJ6Ny0qDMHeyXcc/aBgfH4jEN WzLS522Zp4f+bzmMGWusFRDsrn+StTZgxVmGSlxhECxK06tNJoWfRzwQ/Lfg5qQ= =7EVa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Oh, trust me -- if that was *all* I had to suffer I would indeed rejoice, LOL! It's just one more of the death by 1000 cuts that comprises this rich pageant we call life... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508122132.GA10698@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:05:30PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 08.05.2012 15:03, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:00:16PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:57, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:53:30PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:45, Jochen Spieker kirjoitti: Indulekha: No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration This is inline vs. MIME: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html J. And that page forgets the problems in MIME. PGP/MIME requires headers, message and the signature.asc to be verified. Some mailing list programs mess up with the headers and this way make PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable. In INLINE, the signature is in message and it doesn't require headers to be verified so it's harder to be messed up by mailing list software. Well, all I know is that Jochen Spieker is able to use it without being intrusive Maybe you should try to follow his example? :) If I used PGP/MIME, my signatures couldn't be verified on Ubuntu mailing lists (I am on 5 of them if I recall correctly), nor Enigmail mailing list nor gnupg-user mailing lists nor many others. This is small list of those MLs, which I mean with http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/Clearsigning.html . I see... so the people on the *proper* msiling lists will just have to suffer then, eh? :\ I don't understand how those other mailing lists are inproper. - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 http://mkaysi.github.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPqQwIAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoywsQAJFAS+ETF3pUJ1ml1WpadKa/ 9KTR0+AWJ3SDb4Y3p7/NqfbqwvKPlpnf21NS9u5eHyBAs0tBPh0a4LsV6Ij7X/kM w8a9uMASQM3YGepbdNZov16LqEGk03XXbj27bfZ6WT+hojM5IettDgMAs7mel4Mv T0hSq9qZJIFvuC6TlxgCELubGezcOk8d++iHVY20UbPA13WDCvzoaurPLoAOdHIx X+bE+PSK3wxHAvXFRQ2Q6yS8mTPExq6Xb6c0XiYbqBmPJYsxUuQJKDU4N80zPeVN 8nA8LxcqiGtmYuqhly3NDGRbLDJqdtrJojCAgD0xlP8nFu/VIDQNRM8GV3H/NmNh LkYZsVtIBQ4tHlZegolGqx8bSK6Ai/WCSoqdfuZBa53HKF5ZWIXh+JAMBNtSsG5f ayArhtZa3ViasvL+aretGdm6CrroLn8bcKPnmWYBMsYBoPDbyPmBOsNGhqEhUDFP 9J3z60zmw6BP4QvGYVLCS77/ng2IjaR/P49v3svRf33jmepzfBdepF38oOH4iuvD jDOSj5uvbEsY90TiUBLevNekAFu+52BS0VCNOPj3hXumkOfBZAOMqPRUkgJAFGtJ vbbRJ2J6J/XOsuAV22YlOBzRzL+vHPEdTlwEmIxt9qODCaO5rr6i28yQ53928wGC +kJS9B8BlR/cr5ArnQKv =4XGK -END PGP SIGNATURE- They don't support the considerate version of gpg/pgp. Now that I know that people using this actually have a choice and choose to be rude, it does make it rather tempting to set up an autoresponder and filter to nag them... -- /\ /\ \ / ^ caveat utilitor 'v-v' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508123849.GB10698@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:41:40PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 08.05.2012 15:38, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:05:30PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 15:03, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:00:16PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:57, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:53:30PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:45, Jochen Spieker kirjoitti: Indulekha: No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration This is inline vs. MIME: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html J. And that page forgets the problems in MIME. PGP/MIME requires headers, message and the signature.asc to be verified. Some mailing list programs mess up with the headers and this way make PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable. In INLINE, the signature is in message and it doesn't require headers to be verified so it's harder to be messed up by mailing list software. Well, all I know is that Jochen Spieker is able to use it without being intrusive Maybe you should try to follow his example? :) If I used PGP/MIME, my signatures couldn't be verified on Ubuntu mailing lists (I am on 5 of them if I recall correctly), nor Enigmail mailing list nor gnupg-user mailing lists nor many others. This is small list of those MLs, which I mean with http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/Clearsigning.html . I see... so the people on the *proper* msiling lists will just have to suffer then, eh? :\ I don't understand how those other mailing lists are inproper. They don't support the considerate version of gpg/pgp. Now that I know that people using this actually have a choice and choose to be rude, it does make it rather tempting to set up an autoresponder and filter to nag them... Note that gnupg mailing lists are also affected and they aren't lists themselves, the problem is in mailing list software. I think that they all use GNU Mailman, which is very popular among mailing lists. People don't have a choice if they are on mailing lists, which force this by having this bug, but do as you want. - -- Mika Suomalainen gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728 Key fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 http://mkaysi.github.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPqRSCAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoBeAQAKQi1y2zJo6t54b3CrsZRtUn jj7aA3SDK7QHDKisQM4EScJLuiH6VFhbIr6ca2s8E99zjVx2Z26R400wfUDYqyJS VX1q4zceo8ttLbu9Qi0ai8G2o3FaAJn5zB6yz59n33sqxI9xCJwlDu8t/AYk76gP B57bII0P0GOvqvxzuTwAmOcYh/h6q0vZQlsHTlkIf94YFLAqSCg/uOYLKOyZF1Us PytI+PLFzuzFrXemHSSRZKWundjGC0rKry7IceHiWRAY+nDNMSnF7MNcWn+WhDep zvUv2YZ+zGAc2NDlBeusE97kmzZ8m3yNpeUpMoid6RoiFLGUEx0s6l1c6d0ghrH9 hPq5HWlnGgAPuKGmY5XrrMev/pVD6EOf8VKKejcYUprrXD4+jlnNCR9gX1npihdp 04hh3fgRWALpXp/qklISo5t032tgCKg1Jqr+DktSHquiXMUjnvO41L3KhNhwh74l 5SCY0R5F31mFvDT+rlLIJZG8baJ+5XmfGzPBkMOkkAvX25PORgJwhs6x5jVcoq/3 Wgd+gkIdi79ut/R/uZct8GyDHbBnLrLLM8KX3NvMuVW7ZctHoBR77D2tCTT34jto qDMJ/bd6Po6FYWAlKBL9DUKQHmHgzxRz7gKRgRnTf3lL2IxOFztJ9PzwjBiS1h5H GipAd3YeiJYqYdkgf61u =bH/X -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fa91484.6050...@hotmail.com There is always a choice --for instance you have the choice to only sign the maill to those lists. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508124703.GD10698@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:31:57PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: Indulekha: Well, all I know is that Jochen Spieker is able to use it without being intrusive At the same time, my mutt apparently removes inline signatures when replying. Skimming manual.txt, I still have no idea what setting is responsible for this behaviour or why it doesn't work for you. BTW, you can extend your display_filter file with something like this: /^-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE/,/-END PGP SIGNATURE/d Oh, bless you for that... Been STFW for the longest time for those filters! Even Mika's emails look normal now. One less cut in the ol' death of 100 cuts today. And now I can shut up and quit nagging about that... :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 04:06:54PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 08.05.2012 15:47, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:41:40PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 15:38, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:05:30PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 15:03, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:00:16PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:57, Indulekha kirjoitti: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:53:30PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: 08.05.2012 14:45, Jochen Spieker kirjoitti: Indulekha: No, I think you may have an incorrect or incomplete configuration This is inline vs. MIME: http://www.phildev.net/pgp/pgp_clear_vs_mime.html J. And that page forgets the problems in MIME. PGP/MIME requires headers, message and the signature.asc to be verified. Some mailing list programs mess up with the headers and this way make PGP/MIME signatures unverifiable. In INLINE, the signature is in message and it doesn't require headers to be verified so it's harder to be messed up by mailing list software. Well, all I know is that Jochen Spieker is able to use it without being intrusive Maybe you should try to follow his example? :) If I used PGP/MIME, my signatures couldn't be verified on Ubuntu mailing lists (I am on 5 of them if I recall correctly), nor Enigmail mailing list nor gnupg-user mailing lists nor many others. This is small list of those MLs, which I mean with http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/Clearsigning.html . I see... so the people on the *proper* msiling lists will just have to suffer then, eh? :\ I don't understand how those other mailing lists are inproper. They don't support the considerate version of gpg/pgp. Now that I know that people using this actually have a choice and choose to be rude, it does make it rather tempting to set up an autoresponder and filter to nag them... Note that gnupg mailing lists are also affected and they aren't lists themselves, the problem is in mailing list software. I think that they all use GNU Mailman, which is very popular among mailing lists. People don't have a choice if they are on mailing lists, which force this by having this bug, but do as you want. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fa91484.6050...@hotmail.com There is always a choice --for instance you have the choice to only sign the maill to those lists. And if someone spoofs email from my address to this list and it's unsigned and my messages to this list are always unsigned, I cannot say that I always sign my emails and that isn't sent by me. I think they've come a long way in mediactions to address paranoia these last few years... Seriously, why the devil would anyone want to spoof your email?! What are you, Black Ops? -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508131612.GA11856@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 04:21:38PM +0300, Mika Suomalainen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 08.05.2012 16:16, Indulekha kirjoitti: I think they've come a long way in mediactions to address paranoia these last few years... Seriously, why the devil would anyone want to spoof your email?! What are you, Black Ops? If I recall correctly, Bob has told that his email address has been spoofed to this list and he signs everything what he sends (as far as I can see). I don't see any reason why anyone would want to spoof emails of subscribers of this list, but this can happen and has happened at least once. Yes well, that still falls into the neuroses category AFAIC. Big deal, a spoofed email. Unless you're a terrorist or gov't agent using steganography to pass secret messages, what difference does it really make? And on top of it, everyone else on the list gets held hostage and is forced to jump through so many hoopes just to avoid being inconvenienced. So rude... You must be from up north, LOL! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508132835.GA12117@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 09:26:47AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mika Suomalainen mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote: And if someone spoofs email from my address to this list and it's unsigned and my messages to this list are always unsigned, I cannot say that I always sign my emails and that isn't sent by me. What a life-threatening problem! ;) I know, right? When someone figures out how to spoof his gpg crap he'll probably have a stroke! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508133503.GB12117@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 03:34:55PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: Johann Spies: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 01:20:21PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: muttrc: set display_filter='sed -f ~/.mutt/display-filter' ~/.mutt/display-filter: /^gpg:/d Thanks. I have learnt something new in this thread. JFTR, my actual display-filter contains this for PGP signatures: # wipe secondary gpg user ids /^gpg:[ ]\+aka/d /^gpg:[ ]\+There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner\.$/d /^gpg: please do a --check-trustdb/d /^Primary key fingerprint:/d That removes most of the noise from GnuPG. Very useful stuff, thanks a million! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508134325.GA12393@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:46:40PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 07:38:49AM -0500, Indulekha wrote: They don't support the considerate version of gpg/pgp. Now that I know that people using this actually have a choice and choose to be rude, it does make it rather tempting to set up an autoresponder and filter to nag them... Why not invest the time in fixing your mail client(s) to strip the stuf you don't want, instead? That would be infinitely more productive, and much less likely to see you banned from Debian mailing lists. That's what I finally did, as you'll see when you're up to date. I think getting banned is almost impossible, but I was never actually going to do the autoresponder thing -- I merely said it was tempting. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508135149.GA12598@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:45:59PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 08:28:35AM -0500, Indulekha wrote: And on top of it, everyone else on the list gets held hostage and is forced to jump through so many hoopes just to avoid being inconvenienced. So rude... With respect, I don't think you have the right to speak for 'everyone else' on the list. You may be inconvenienced by inline-signed messages, but that doesn't mean everyone is. Plenty of people on this list have agreed with me on this issue before... You must be from up north, LOL! Now *that's* rude. Well, it's always rude to tell people they're rude, of course. I was attempting to use humor, but as everyone's sense of humor is unique, it can be a bit hazardous... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508135811.GB12598@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:41:29PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/05/12 14:35, Indulekha wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 09:26:47AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Mika Suomalainen mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote: And if someone spoofs email from my address to this list and it's unsigned and my messages to this list are always unsigned, I cannot say that I always sign my emails and that isn't sent by me. What a life-threatening problem! ;) I know, right? When someone figures out how to spoof his gpg crap he'll probably have a stroke! Well, that's our friend indule...@theunworthy.com gone to the great bitbucket in the Sky. I suggest Mika, you do the same... Ok then, c ya! Tolerating dissenting opinions is a valuable social skill you might want to pick up, but it's totally up to you. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508140449.GC12598@radhesyama
Re: gpg/pgp noise
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:11:32PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 08 May 2012 05:43:17 -0500, Indulekha wrote: I'm getting this with most gog/pgp-signed mails received from this list (using mutt): [-- PGP output follows (current time: Tue 08 May 2012 05:35:27 AM CDT) --] gpgkeys: key 7356B378DEA22DE9 not found on keyserver gpg: Signature made Tue 08 May 2012 02:04:44 AM CDT using RSA key ID DEA22DE9 gpg: requesting key DEA22DE9 from ldap server keyserver.pgp.com And that's true. That key does not exist in the server. gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: Total number processed: 0 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found [-- End of PGP output --] [-- The following data is signed --] PGP signature could NOT be verified. --- So what's wrong? I think all of the above is okay. My public key has been published, Is it your own signature key? Then some step is missing or you made something wrong. and I followed the exact procedure I used last time in muttrc to make this crap work. If you think GPG/PGP is crap, I wonder why is that you are using it. Am I powerless over other peoples' misconfigured gpg here, or does this indicate some error on my part? Most probably, the latter. Anyone know a way to simply filter out all that annoying gpg/pgp noise? (...) IIRC, Mutt does not automatically verifies the signatures unless you explicitly configure to do it so. Just disable that option. Yes, it's always so simple to fix it in mutt when you don't actually use mutt. ;) Fortunately, this is now solved-- thanks to Jochen Spieker's generously sharing his .mutt/display-filter recipe. Hopefully, more people found this whole thread useful than were offended, frightened, or confused by it... I know I STFW long and hard, and the filters stubbornly eluded me for several days. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508143508.GA12943@radhesyama
Re: grey/white/grey/white/etc bars
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 02:17:46AM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: Does anyone know how to get rid of the grey/white/grey/white etc bars in the background of programmes like konqueror, rhythmbox, kmail and virtually everything please? I find them very annoying and they make the black text in the grey bars almost impossible to read for one of advancing years. Any help gratefully accepted :) Try using qtconfig. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120509014755.GA1404@radhesyama
Re: Does anyone care about dialup?
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 03:16:55PM -0700, Paul Zimmerman wrote: Why is it so difficult to get dialup to work in Linux? It has been this way for many years, too. I tried a different distro in 1996 when dialup modems were still the main means of Internet access for most home users, and it was painfully difficult then, as well. Since KDE 4 is such a hog I decided to try to get Gnome-ppp working and avoid having to load the 70+ megabytes of otherwise unneeded libraries just for KPPP. Aside from the various files you have to track down and change permissions for, BOTH wvdial and Gnome-ppp are ridiculously buggy. It is necessary to disable carrier detect to prevent instant loss of a connection. In both of them. Yes, the only way to stay online with Gnome-ppp and wvdial is to NOT watch carrier status. So why is this function even there if it is useless? Or why hasn't it been FIXED if it is needed? Is Gnome-ppp still being maintained? Also, Gnome-ppp doesn't understand more than one dialer entry in the wvdial.conf file. It uses the last one regardless of how many there are. And it won't keep many other settings, such as dock in the notification area. You have to remember to reset this every time you run it. Further, either the pppd is buggy or the kernel is. Again, you cannot stay online with the ppd as configured. You have to disable all forms of compression or your connection will mysteriously stop working after only a few minutes. I remember this problem from my 1996 experiment with Linux. It has something to do with loss of sync between the remote and the local systems. As I recall, the help page I found on it said it was a KERNEL driver problem. Sixteen years later, this problem has still not been fixed!? And if it has been around this long, why would any distro still be shipping its pppd configured in a way guaranteed not to work? Is it so hard to edit some text files so the system will work as installed? But even being able to dial out and connect is not the end of the troubles. Somehow the port is not released when Gnome-ppp/wvdial exits and I get permission denied when I try to use the modem again after disconnecting. It is necessary to run a script to RESTART the sl-modem-daemon to use the modem again. This is ridiculous. It's like being sent back to the days of MS-DOS where you have to kill and reload things to make them work. Does anyone working on Linux care about dialup? Some people do still have uses for it, and some even depend on it. I live in a very remote rural area, so dialup is my only option. Someone else suggested wvdial, which works and is good, but I prefer to use pppconfig to create the connection, pon/poff to start/end it, and pppstatus so I can see how many curse words and which ones are appropriate when waiting for things to download. Obviously, make sure your modem is supported, install any required formware/ drivers, etc. Some of them won't notify you that there is missing stuff so you have to be diligent. I had to buy a modem because the built-in one was unsupported altogether in Linux. Bought a USRobotics USB modem, and it works perfectly. HTH! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120508005033.GA1377@radhesyama
Re: OT: Broken digest - was another thread
On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 04:41:31PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 16:32 +0200, an unknown sender wrote: On Sun, 06 May 2012 12:48:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: (...) (your posts still come with broken References and In-Reply-To fields. I copy the subject and add the mailing list address. I can't edit the header and the admin still hasn't repaired the digest. The admin will not repeair the digest, this as been going on for like a decade -- please subscribe the normal way if you care about not breaking threading, this problem will not be going away. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120506144915.GA12652@radhesyama
Re: Mounting USB devices (was : How Does One Re-run write_cd_rules Solved)
On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 02:54:42PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 06 May 2012 09:25:39 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: (...) Nice to see you finally sorted the CD-R problem. I still need to fix an entry in fstab to mount a FAT32 usb stick on a mount point called /flash. Since there are several possibilities of usb devices that will be plugged in and have a FAT32 file system, I will need to screen for that in the ruleset, not the device manufacturer as that would only match maybe one device at the most. Why don't let the automounter (or udev rules in the event you don't have any DE installed)) automatically puts the unknown USB devices under / media or inside your own defined /flash mount point? Static mount points (those defined in /etc/fstab) can be good for devices you know beforehand but not for those you know nothing about (unknown UUID, unknown LABEL...) because you cannot identify them. There's also a package called usbmount, which will automount whatever mountable device you plug in via USB. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120506150838.GA12746@radhesyama
Re: LightDM in Linux Mint Debian Edition 201204
On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 09:57:47PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: Has anyone been able to get LightDM to work properly in the latest release of Linux Mint Debian Edition (201204)? I can replace the default MDM with LightDM with just apt-get commands. First: Linux Mint Debian Edition is *not* Debian, it's Mint. The problem comes when trying to boot up with LightDM. During the process of loading up LightDM, the screen blacks out and does nothing. I know from the logs I looked at (had to boot up with a live ISO and mount the LMDE installation) that LightDM did try to start up. Why doesn't LightDM work properly? You should provide the relevant bit of the log. I made a nice cup of tea but sadly, the leaves told me nothing about your Mint problem... Now if you were using Debian, the tea leaves would almost certainly have your answer right here in my cup, or in some lister's cup anyway. But since you're posting with a Mint question to a Debian mailing list, you'll have to do a bit more work than just why doesn't it work?. -- Jason Hsu, Linux literate software development engineer :P -- /\ /\ \ / ^ caveat utilitor 'v-v' -- Murphy's Devilbat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120507034940.GA3437@radhesyama
Re: problem with video display in X
On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 09:24:28AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 05 May 2012 13:55:40 +0800, Long Wind wrote: it seems that experts are few There are some X devels reading this list but they can be busy or simple is that they still have not read your message. I find vesa driver can work Fine, but that's not a suitable driver to use for a GUI based system. anyway it's linux sometime i put up with this and that sometime i have to solve this or that problem on my own expert help isn't always freely available. You sound like a haiku, sir. I'll leave the list Oh, bye then! Please reply to longwind2...@gmail.com Don't hold your breath... Top o' the mornin' to ya! Looking at his attached log, I see Longwind has a fairly elaborate config, and it gives a suggestion about udev. I was going to ask him for more info and suggest he rename his xorg.conf and try the automagic version to see what happens... Anyway, he sure is impatient! Hope he knows we don't refund support fees, and he may get hit with an early cancellation fee, too. ;) Oh well, back to the morning tea ritual... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120505100940.GA9486@radhesyama
Re: Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks
On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 11:55:03AM +, Camaleón wrote: Hello, In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely use some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying to get a virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some applications that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel, Apply, Accept...). So to get the extra space, I run: xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --fb 1024x768 --panning 1024x768 Which returns nothing (meaning a success command) and I can see the display has been somehow cutted at the bottom but I can't move the mouse cursor beyond the bottom edge so the controlable area is still 1024x600. I tried to make the window of a smaller height but I only could adjust its width which was of no help in this case. I finally had to remotely connect from another system with bigger screen to configure the Pan settings from there but that's of course a bypass not a solution at all, n[eo]books are aimed to be standalone devices :-) I know this is a well-known problem for these kind of small devices but I would like to find a solution or at least a suitable bypass that does not require a secondary system. The computer runs Wheezy with GNOME and gnome-shell and the nebook screen is 10.1 with a 1024x600 resolution. It uses an Intel chipset (N10) as VGA. Why not change your screen res to match what's available (1024x600)? -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120505121046.GA12052@radhesyama
Re: Radeon HD 3470 dual monitors on Squeeze
On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 09:05:35AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: I've been trying to get dual monitors to work on my Squeeze system. Originally I was using both the onboard video and an additional video card. Now I have two monitors hooked up to the same video card (thanks to a cheap craigslist purchase). When I begin booting, both monitors give me a display. But when the boot process gets to the point where text display changes (framebuffer turning on?) one monitor goes blank and I cannot get it working again, even when logged into a GUI. Both monitors work properly with Knoppix 6.4.4. I tried using the Knoppix xorg.conf, but that did not work. Here are some differences between Squeeze and Knoppix: Squeeze Knoppix kernel: 2.6.32-52.6.37 xserver-xorg-video-radeon:1:6.13.1-2 1:6.13.2-1 libdrm-radeon1: 2.4.23-0.0 2.4.23-1 radeontool: none1.6.1-1 I don't know if the above differences are important or not. Any ideas why one monitor always goes blank in Squeeze? -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120505130535.ga5...@aurora.owens.net Have you tried xrandr? -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120505131818.GB13034@radhesyama
Re: Panning the screen to get an usable GNOME desktop in netbooks
On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 01:15:53PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 05 May 2012 07:10:46 -0500, Indulekha wrote: On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 11:55:03AM +, Camaleón wrote: In my intent to make my netbook more usable (because I can barely use some applications such the recently available Pan), I'm trying to get a virtual screen (panning) that allows me to configure some applications that fail to display the usual bottom buttons (Cancel, Apply, Accept...). (...) Why not change your screen res to match what's available (1024x600)? You must be kidding, right? If not, what's the gain you foresee for doing nothing? :-) Greetings, Well, right now I'm on a 1440x1050 monitor, so I use that resolution. Wouldn't dream of running something larger and then dealing with scrollbars to see the whole screen, it just seems a bit silly and I expect it would become tedious rather quickly. But, everyone's got their own ideas I guess :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120505132553.GA13273@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from joe1assis...@gmail.com
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 07:36:10AM +, Howard Eisenberger wrote: On 2012-04-30, Indulekha indule...@theunworthy.com wrote: Can you actually post via usenet, and if so, how? I tried that a few times, but my posts never showed up, so I got the impression the mail2news thingie was strictly one way. I rarely post, but am posting via Usenet now. See http://lists.bofh.it/listinfo/linux-gate Thanks Howard, that's very good to know. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120504075714.GA1849@radhesyama
Re: Macbook pro re-mapping single key
(NOTE: please reply inline, so as to preserve the discussion for the archive. Thanks!) On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 11:56:07AM +0200, Riccardo Romoli wrote: Hi, thanks for reply. Using xev this is what I obtained from the key I would like to re-map: KeyRelease event, serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x401, root 0x12d, subw 0x0, time 778257, (752,-224), root:(833,354), state 0x0, keycode 104 (keysym 0xff8d, KP_Enter), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (0d) XFilterEvent returns: False Can you paste the response of your right ALT (Alt Gr) so I can understand which is its keycode? You just use xev to get that, as you did above for enter. The codes for mine are not useful to you, I only posted that to give an idea what to look for. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120504151713.GA8181@radhesyama
Re: Where to store Icon for xv
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 02:51:43PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2012 17:43:47 -0400, Edward wrote in message 4fa2fc13.3090...@comcast.net: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..really??? _The_ xv icon? 8o) Please post the output of dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/xv.svgz. dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/xv.svgz kde-icons-mono: /usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/xv.svgz ..nope, it isn't, you were right Indulekha, but it close enough to fool _many_ here. ;o) It happens once in a blue moon... ;) Actually, I sometimes set up desktops for non-tech users, and have worked around the no appropriate icon issue the same way on their behalf before (I don't need no steenkeeng icons, myself). Then 2 years later an update breaks everything (***shakes fist at G K desktops***), I'm asked to fix it and end up stumbling about a bit before realizing what I did last time. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120504152734.GB8181@radhesyama
Re: Safe-upgrade, My Worst Nightmare has Occurred.
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 05:20:11PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: Martin McCormick: So far, I do not see any error yet. I will do the tests you suggested and report back. It does act just like it is waiting for more input. I have type y, yes and ok and do see the echo back. I will post a message later describing the tests. I would just Ctrl-c and apt-get -f install, followed by another safe-upgrade. And after that, check that your boot config is still fine (Grub1/2, /etc/fstabm, initramfs). This is exactly what I would do. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120504153447.GC8181@radhesyama
Re: Macbook pro re-mapping single key
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 05:29:58PM +0200, Riccardo Romoli wrote: Hi, but my problem is that I haven't the key I need on my keyboard! So how can I find the code with xev if I haven't the key to generate the code itself? R You sure are making me edit a lot by posdting your replies your replies at the top... But I apologise, apparently I was not clear enough. You want to get the keycodes from the keys you're hoping to reassign, not the keys that are what you want already. So for instance, if I want to change right alt to enter, I'd need to determine the keycode for right alt. Hope this is more clear. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120504153928.GD8181@radhesyama
Re: Macbook pro re-mapping single key
As a matter of fact, I'm on an incredibly slow, painfully unresposive dialup connection -- so I apologise, but it may be I can't get to this in anything like a timely fashion. Your favorite search engine is your friend, however. I use and recommend duckduckgo.com, which showed me these links below. I scanned them, and they look pretty good... Best of luck! :) http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4485/reassign-ctl-and-alt-keys-xmodmap-error http://superuser.com/questions/2194/remap-keys-in-linux -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120504162932.GA9385@radhesyama
Re: Macbook pro re-mapping single key
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 07:05:43PM +0200, Riccardo Romoli wrote: Hi, I found the easiest way to solve the problem: [1]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/2615 73 Regards Riccardo If that's the punchline, I must have missed something. Oh well, as long as you're happy -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120504172257.GA10208@radhesyama
Re: No Subject for digest
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 05:05:06PM +, Camaleón wrote: I don't use digest but that sounds like something is messed up. You can contact the mailing list admins/manintainers as stated here: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/index.en.html#maintenance Several times I got caught by this on other mailing lists, it seems the digest option is never properly interactive. Some kind of perverse tradition, I guess To the OP, switch to a regular subscription and the problem is solved (or, resign yourself to receiving what is essentially a RO version of the list). Remember, once you know you become accountable. ;) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120504174647.GA10561@radhesyama
Re: Safe-upgrade, My Worst Nightmare has Occurred Solved
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 10:17:43PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: I tried a Control-C which had no effect at all but hitting Escape suddenly brought things back from the dead and I was able to complete the safe-upgrade. The system has been rebooted once and came right up so it is working once again. Again thanks for the help. Yaaay! I just love happy endings... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120505034215.GB3101@radhesyama
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2012 #674
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 09:58:08AM +0100, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 03 May 2012 02:54:47 Indulekha wrote: Please kindly reference the notice at the bottom of every single email you get from this list It isn't at the end of Tina Braxton's email. So she may be recieving none. Thanks for pointing that out. Right after I'd sent that I noticed the server seems to be attaching the how to unsub sig only intermittently. It's Murphy's devilbat again! Looks like this: /\ /\ \ / ^ caveat utilitor 'v-v' -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120503125137.GA14225@radhesyama
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2012 #674
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 05:14:52PM +0100, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 03 May 2012 16:48:04 Ralf Mardorf wrote: PS: This is the Thread I received Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2012 #674, no problem this can happen. Don't get me wrong. If intellectually disabled should have an issue with unsubscribing, it would be ok, but usually academics, such as social pedagogues tend to use the computer, similar to driving a car blindfolded. When a blind pen-pal confer a knighthood on me, I renounced it ;). You are remarkably intolerant. Have you never had a problem doing something other people find simple? The answer, of course, is yes, whether you admit it or not. We all have. We are all mere human beings, and as such are neither infallible nor omniscient. Lisi Indeed. I tend to be a joker and a smart@ss, but in fact I've no room whatsoever to talk. Being rather visually impaired myself, there have been many times I got so worked up, thinking why the devil doesn't that function I need exist, only to find it finally on the fifth or sixth try, right under my nose, plain as day... To Ralf: No knightbood for you! Those of us who are (nearly) blind need love too! -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120503163134.GA3982@radhesyama
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2012 #674
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 06:45:37PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 17:14 +0100, Lisi wrote: You are remarkably intolerant. Bullshit! We are all mere human beings I'm a human being too. So if you call me intolerant for my fault, you're intolerant yourself ;). Your claim isn't inherently consistent. Reconsider your own words ;). Do you judge what is right and what is wrong without fault?! A rhetorical question sister :p. You must be very young. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120503165810.GA4341@radhesyama
Re: Where to store Icon for xv
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 10:19:51PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..really??? _The_ xv icon? 8o) Please post the output of dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/xv.svgz. He probably chose some icon that struck him as images looking and has now forgotent he did that. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120503205832.GB2083@radhesyama
Re: Solved: Re: Can't install flashplugin.nonfree. ERROR: wget failed to download
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 05:07:26PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 05:05:28PM +0900, Han Soo Chang wrote: Thanks for your help. It was just that I needed to apt-get install as root, not sudo apt-get. The following command # apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree worked just fine. $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree failed because the invoked script probably did not have the write permission for a certain directory. This is a little bit confusing for a newbie like me. But, anyway, I can now see the videos on youtube. Just remember Debian isn't Ubuntu. When you see sudo blah blah blah just run blah blah blah as root¹. Ubuntu specifically sets up sudo, they don't like you being root! whereas, in Debian, ***YOU*** would have to install sudo and configure it to get the desired result. ¹ su -c blah blah blah is probably better. ? I use sudo all the time, and have done so for years. 'Course you have to install it, add your user to the sudo group, and edit /etc/sudoers with the visudo command first. But all that is very easy. Install sudo and read man sudo. Feel free to ask me if you need further help with it. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502062819.GA28630@radhesyama
Re: W: best way to clone server data using rsync
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 06:16:59PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 11:38:26AM -0500, Indulekha wrote: Often I use something like: rsync --archive --one-file-system --hard-links --human-readable --inplace --numeric-ids --delete ... to duplicate a system, with the '~/.rsync-exclude' file containing ^ Is that a mistake? or am I musunderstanding the --delete option. Note: I am not familiar with rsync, but I am familiar with the term duplicate No mistake Chris, the --delete option deletes data from the copy that doesn't exist in the source. The idea is to have only the same data as the source you're copying, aside from the stuff to ignore listed in the ~/.rsync-exclude file (stuff like /etc/fstab, if you're making a bootable copy of your system on an external drive). The links I gave will give a lot more detail, and rsync's man page is quite good too, though perhaps a tad opaque in places for the uninitiated. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502063806.GB28630@radhesyama
Re: Solved: Re: Can't install flashplugin.nonfree. ERROR: wget failed to download
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 04:37:16PM +0900, Han Soo Chang wrote: Thanks for your response. Yes, I installed sudo, and edited the confiugration file using visudo. That was easy. And I have been using sudo in all the cases where I needed to be root. I believed that it gives me better security. However, in this particular case of installing flashplugin-nonfree, sudo apt-get failed, but su apt-get succeeded. What I'm trying to say is that this could be interpreted as a subtle bug, because it confuses a user like me. I don't think it's a bug... If you add your user to the sudo group and use the line: yourusername ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in /etc/sudoers, everything should work and you'll get no password prompt. Of course, replace youusername with your actual username. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502113032.GA5362@radhesyama
Re: [OT] Mails coming from joe1assis...@gmail.com
On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 11:49:00AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 30 apr 12, 20:11:36, Indulekha wrote: Ok, so I subscribed the normal way, and I'll just periodically purge the mails to avoid waiting for 857,000 emails to load over dialup. Not sure what you mean, but just about every mail retriever that I know of will not re-download mail unless told so. In order to save bandwidth you may want to use IMAP + downloading headers only ;) That *is* what I do, as I said I'm stuck using an absurdly slow dial up connection. In this part of the country our phone lines are so bad my connection speed hovers between 1.5 and 5.9 kbps (no, not a typo)! If you've never experienced that, you probably wouldn't understand... Just opening an imap mailbox with more than a few hundred messages in it (with header caching) can take several minutes. It's the only real downside to living in this extremely rural area. -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120502113859.GB5362@radhesyama
