Re: Timeline for potato

1999-12-30 Thread Joel Klecker
At 00:02 +0100 1999-12-30, Martin Schulze wrote:
Rainer Dorsch wrote:
 The timeline is great! But I think it should be continued. As experience
 shows, shortly after releasing potato (or even shortly after freezing
potato),
 kernel 2.4 and XFree 4.0 will appear.

Hopefully they appear *after* the release and not between freeze
and release again.

Just because 2.4 comes out doesn't mean it's stable enough to put in a
dist, 2.2.0 wasn't particularly stable, and there wasn't a really solid
kernel until 2.2.5.
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ncurses 5 (was: Re: Timeline for potato)

1999-12-29 Thread Joel Klecker
At 15:23 +0100 1999-12-28, Matthias Klose wrote:
what did happen to the libncurses5 packages? will they be uploaded for
potato? Asking because I do not want to upload a readline4 before this
is installed ...

I had decided not to upload ncurses 5.0 due to the situation with readline.
I didn't know you had any intent to upload readline4 for potato.

I have a new set of ncurses packages at:
deb http://web.espy.org/ftp/debian espy ncurses ncurses4.2
deb-src http://web.espy.org/ftp/debian espy ncurses ncurses4.2
which I intend to upload tomorrow.

If you upload readline4, I suggest that libreadline4-dev depend on
libncurses5-dev so that people don't end up inadvertantly linking with two
different ncurses libs (once from -lreadline and once from -lncurses).

Packages in base need to be relinked with libncurses5.
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Re: Guessing the date style from the timezone for postgresql postinst

1999-09-19 Thread Joel Klecker

At 20:58 -0300 1999-09-18, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:

Well.. the libc maintainers don't want to add the locale for my country for
no reason, even if it is included in the package as source.


I use a target in the glibc makefiles to generate the locales, if it 
doesn't generate the one for your country, there's nothing I can do 
about it.

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Re: PPC linux

1998-06-09 Thread Joel Klecker
At 09:17 -0700 1998-06-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are 3 motorola PPC boxes here gathering dust now that they are
Windows NT orphans.  I don't know what the model number is but they are in
standard mini-tower cases with PCI/ISA mother boards with SCSI drives.
What linux distribution would support them?

At this point, the only choice is the RedHat-based LinuxPPC,
http://www.linuxppc.org. Those are probably PReP boxes, so LinuxPPC
should support them just fine.

Eventually Debian/powerpc will support them too, but right now we are still
working on the base system for Power Macs.
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Re: smail vs sendmail, fetchmail, K6 processor

1998-06-03 Thread Joel Klecker
At 15:12 -0700 1998-06-02, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote:
Or going Alpha or PPC.  Cost effectiveness seems to indicate PPC to me,
though there are 1,000,001 different PPC for Linux branches it seems.

There are five PPC subarchitectures of Linux:

* CHRP-compliant PowerPC machines
* PCI-based Power Macs
* PReP-compliant PowerPC machines
* Amigas with PowerPC upgrade cards
* 8xx embedded systems PowerPCs

Unfortunately, non-PowerMac PowerPC hardware is either nearly impossible to
find  (in the US at least) or expensive. SMP PowerMacs are also expensive.

In any case, Linux doesn't support SMP on a very wide range of PowerPC
hardware.
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Re: smail vs sendmail, fetchmail, K6 processor

1998-06-03 Thread Joel Klecker
At 07:07 -0700 1998-06-02, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
K6 IS supported in multiprocessor, but it is using an SMP scheme called
OpenPIC or similar. Cyrix use the same spec. Intel use a different spec
though and no motherboards available support the open one.

No motherboards for x86 processors that is. CHRP motherboards for PowerPC
processors all use OpenPIC, as it is part of the CHRP spec.
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Re: Debian from the Stampede's POV

1998-05-24 Thread Joel Klecker
At 13:12 -0700 1998-05-23, Steve Lamb wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 1998 20:01:53 +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote:

Not really.  Other than that it's the default and is more or less considered
standard so I left it that way.

*chuckle*  There are quite a few people in quite a few newsgroups that
would love to hear you say that so they can educate you otherwise.

usenet != mail

A newsreader that doesn't grok MIME is a common thing. A MUA that doesn't
is a sorry POS, IMNSHO.
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Re: Tulip Network drive

1998-05-11 Thread Joel Klecker
At 10:38 -0400 1998-05-10, Alex Yukhimets wrote:
   Does the hamm/kernel_2.0.33 include the Tulip network drive?

Yes, but you may need to download and compile newer version of the tulip
driver depending on the particular card you use. (I had to.)

Also, the de4x5 driver is better, Documentation/networking/tulip.txt even
suggests trying the de4x5 driver first.

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Re: Ensoniq AudioPCI card

1998-05-05 Thread Joel Klecker
At 21:19 -0400 1998-05-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The AudioPCI is available with the OSS/Linux drivers...
there is also an OSS/Free set of drivers but AudioPCI
is alas, unsuported by those :(
It looks (maybe im just guessing) like Ensoniq is being a PITA and
not releacing info without NDAs and $$ so...don't expect to see a Free
driver soon
(Like I said..im just uesing but..thats a good bet as to why)

Nope, there is a free AudioPCI driver:
http://www.ife.ee.ethz.ch/~sailer/linux/audiopci.html

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Re: Convert RedHat install to Debian ..

1998-05-01 Thread Joel Klecker
At 14:37 -0500 1998-04-29, Nathan E Norman wrote:
Now for the hashed over part.  Is there a sane and reasonable way to
either convert an existing RedHat machine to Debian, or to start the
Debian install from what I have now?

project/experimental/dpkg_*_arch.nondebbin.tar.gz

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Re: DL at other computer

1998-04-29 Thread Joel Klecker
At 18:47 +0200 1998-04-29, Vaclav Hula wrote:
Hi All!
I want to upgrade my machine (HAMM, last upgrade about half month ago)
and I need to download packages at other (non-debian) linux machine.
Is there some program to simplify this task, as there's too much packages
to download?

Yes, it's called 'dftp', you can find it as
project/misc/dftp-4.3-1-standalone.tar.gz (all it needs is perl) on any
Debian mirror.

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Re: [tcsh] disabling autologout?

1998-04-21 Thread Joel Klecker
At 12:17 -0400 1998-04-20, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
$ cd [tab]
 - shows and completes to directory names only
$ latex [tab]
 - shows and completes to .tex files only
$ emacs -[tab]
 - shows and completes to available options for that command.

Who would want to live without it?
Can bash be taught to do this?  It would be great.

bash can't, but zsh (a bourne shell derivative like bash) has programmable
completion that is even more powerful than what tcsh has.

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Re: Install disks for PowerPC

1998-04-21 Thread Joel Klecker
At 14:59 +1200 1998-04-20, Richard L Shepherd wrote:
where are they?  I see a directory for disks-i386 and several other
platforms (alpha, sparc and m68k) but no disks-powerpc.

There aren't any, the port is not quite to the point that install disks can
be made. We are very close, however.

So how does one get started installing Debian on a PowerPC MAC, and where
are the instructions?

The answer is, you don't, Debian/powerpc is not ready for general
consumption yet.

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Re: Install disks for PowerPC

1998-04-21 Thread Joel Klecker
At 23:23 -0400 1998-04-19, Alain Toussaint wrote:
 where are they?  I see a directory for disks-i386 and several other
 platforms (alpha, sparc and m68k) but no disks-powerpc.

 So how does one get started installing Debian on a PowerPC MAC, and where
 are the instructions?


i don't think there will be a Debian for the Mac version of the powerPC as

Wrong, I am working on just such a thing, powerpc.debian.org is a Motorola
StarMax Mac clone of some sort (I'm not clear on the details since the
machine is many thousands of miles from me).

long as these machine remain proprietary,there's version of linux for the
IBM powerPC line but the only linux distribution especially for the Mac
PPC is available at:

http://www.mklinux.apple.com/

That is not correct either, PCI Power Macs have been supported by LinuxPPC
for about 18 months now, the machines are somewhat closed, but still quite
a bit of documentation on the workings of the machines is available.

i did research some documentation there and their linux version have
some files covered under another licence than the GPL due to the
proprietary nature of the machine (and these files i'm talking'bout are
sometime critical to linux)

Also wrong, MkLinux is a Linux single-server running on top of the OSF
Mach 3 microkernel, the microkernel is not licensed under the GPL, but
instead under an XFree86-like license. The Linux server is licensed under
the GPL as it must be.

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Re: Debian list `From' line (Re: exim mutt, weird)

1998-04-21 Thread Joel Klecker
At 10:14 -0400 1998-04-21, Stephen Carpenter wrote:
Nils Rennebarth wrote:
 * ^TOdebian-user.*
 debian-user
I used to use that also but a number of them got through
I don't think that handles cc: to the list

From procmailrc(5):

   If  the  regular expression contains `^TO' it will be sub-
   stituted by `(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-
   Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^a-zA-Z])?)', which
   should catch all destination specifications containing a
   specific word.

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Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro/10+ ISA card

1998-04-21 Thread Joel Klecker
At 16:05 +0200 1998-04-21, Fabian Knittel wrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 01:33:11PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I can get some Intel EtherExpress Pro/10+ ISA and/or PCI cards for free, and
 I'm asking myself, if these cards are making any problems with Linux. I

 found the drivers on the Net, and I will get the cards next week, so speaks
^^
Have I missed something? Why do you need drivers from the net?

The eepro.c driver in the kernel is quite old. The EtherExpress Pro/10+ PCI
card uses the EtherExpress Pro 10/100 driver though (which is different
from eepro.c).

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Re: I need hellp installing debian....

1998-04-07 Thread Joel Klecker
At 09:35 +0800 1998-04-05, Lindsay Allen wrote:
I made a linux boot disk yesterday and linux spat out the first four
floppies.  Linux is _very_ picky about floppies.  Try some more disks.
Sometimes old floppies are better than the new ones which are very much
built to a price now-a-days.

That said, does anyone know why Linux is so picky about floppies?

It isn't Linux reading the boot/rescue floppy, it's the BIOS, and most
BIOSes have a very flaky floppy driver. There's really nothing that can be
done about it.

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Re: mail server

1998-03-29 Thread Joel Klecker
At 13:07 -0500 1998-03-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
May I suggest www.qmail.org.  Forget Smail  Sendmail and get a good
MTA. Check the archives of the qmail list.  There are Debian users
that have qmail running, even tho it is not a debian package.  Save
yourself a LOT of grief! Use qmail!

If qmail's author used a reasonable license, I would.

It *is* a Debian package though:
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/hamm/non-free/binary-all/mail/qmail-src_1.01-5.deb

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Re: Debian Hamm Dselect

1998-03-29 Thread Joel Klecker
At 15:20 -0500 1998-03-28, Wintermute wrote:
Is it ok to set dselect to use the package files in /debian/hamm/ yet?
I was using /debian/dists/unstable before now, and I noticed the other
day that my package list went to nothing.

You should always use dists/*.

In this case, dists/frozen/* for hamm (and eventually dists/stable/* once
hamm is released). dists/unstable/* is the new unstable (to become 2.1
(slink)).

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Re: Deity looks AWESOME

1998-03-29 Thread Joel Klecker
At 17:13 -0800 1998-03-28, George Bonser wrote:
Not from what I understand.  I was told that it will run in either graphic
or comman-line modes completely replacing dselect.

That's true, deity has both a slang and a GTK interface, the coolest thing
is that both interfaces are in a single executable.

BTW, command-line is not the correct way to refer to a full-screen
curses-style interface (visual is a common term).

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Re: PGP key server

1998-03-29 Thread Joel Klecker
At 20:14 -0500 1998-03-28, Darren Renaud wrote:
Could someone give me some advice on setting up a key server for PGP?

You can get source for a key server daemon at:
http://www.mit.edu/people/marc/pks/. I am also doing a Debian package of
it, but it'll be awhile before I have it done.

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Re: Debian PGP 5.5.3, importing keys question

1998-03-26 Thread Joel Klecker
At 12:16 -0500 1998-03-26, David S. Jackson wrote:
Personally, I would recommend using one of the PGP 2.6.X variants
with RSA keys.  Since PGP has gone commercial, I've heard of several
inconsistencies and incompatabilities with 5.X keys.

Yes, but that has very little to do with PGP going commercial. It mostly
has to do with the RSA patent, and flaws in the old PGP key format (mostly
to do with keyid and fingerprint collision).

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Re: bo-unstable bash

1998-03-06 Thread Joel Klecker
At 13:20 -0600 1998-03-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tried to install the bo-unstable bash and it has a dependency on both
libc5 and libc6.  Is this correct?

No, it's not, there's a corrected version in bo-unstable now.

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RE: 80 MB ram in debian system

1998-03-03 Thread Joel Klecker
At 14:52 -0500 1998-03-02, Vladislav Papayan x285 wrote:
I am also planning to add more than 64 mb to my machine.
However I do not have /etc/lilo.conf. I always boot from
a floppy disk (when creating a kernel I just do make bzdisk).
What should I do in that case?

lilo's append option means append the following arguments to the arguments
passed to the kernel, so you need to pass 'mem=nm' to the kernel somehow.

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Re: Netscape fails to automatically open ps, ram, ...

1998-03-03 Thread Joel Klecker
At 13:39 -0700 1998-03-02, Bob Nielsen wrote:
This is the classic symptom of running the somewhat-buggy bash-2.0 in bo.

I would suggest upgrading to hamm to get around this.  There is a bo
version of bash-2.05 around which provides a workaround, but you have to
be very careful when you do upgrade to hamm if you have that version
installed (I found out the hard way).

You mean 2.01, and the bo-unstable version will work fine upgrading to hamm.

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Re: hamm bugs

1998-03-03 Thread Joel Klecker
At 21:59 +0100 1998-03-02, Jonas Bofjall wrote:
I tried to install the `hamm' distribution today on a fresh installation.
Is that not possible yet? Anyway, I encountered the following problems
during installation which might be of value to someone:

* The disk partitioning program did not work. When I created a maximum
  size partition it said it was 1 MB large. It also said that the previous
  partition (which I deleted) was 1 MB (it was not). The disk is 500 MB.
  I used the original `fdisk' program in another console and it worked.

Please file a bug against 'boot-floppies' regarding this. Be sure to
mention that 'cfdisk' is the program you're having trouble with.

*  The `adduser' program doesn't work. When I specify a user name and
   hit enter it responds with an error message that no user name was
   specified, and asks me for user name again. I had to kill the script.

Hmm... that's odd. Is this when it is invoked after the system is initially
rebooted after the install of the base system? You probably should file a
bug against 'base' regarding this too.

* Install by FTP did not work. It says Perl 5.002 required--this is
  only version 5.00404 ... stopped /usr/lib/perl5/vars.pm line 3
  ... BEGIN failed...FTP.pm line 14 ... exit status 2.
  NFS seems to work though (tried ftp.leidenuniv.nl).

The base system is missing some packages that dpkg-ftp needs (data-dumper
and libnet-perl, IIRC). A bug has been filed against base regarding this.

* Gives me some error messages about broken pipe when I have specified
  the NFS server and directory, but I don't think they are serious
  because installation continues.

Probably just a transient network error of some sort.

* There are very strange dependencies. libc5 depends on libc6
  (=2.0.4-1) and libc6 conflicts with libc5 (5.4.33-7). Does this
  mean that it's impossible to install libc5?

No. It means libc5 depends on libc6[1] greater than or equal to version
2.0.4-1, and libc6 conflicts with libc5[2] less than version 5.4.33-7.

[1] This dependencany is because of the specially modified versions of
library routines that read/write utmp, the normal libc5 functions for this
are incompatible with the libc6 ones, so the hamm libc5 actually calls the
libc6 functions for those calls.

[2] This conflict is because prior versions installed in /lib (in hamm,
libc5 libraries go in /lib/libc5-compat and/or /usr/lib/libc5-compat so
libc5 and libc6 versions of libraries can coexist on the same system).

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Re: NAT solution for Linux?

1998-03-01 Thread Joel Klecker
At 16:41 -0600 1998-02-28, Nathan E Norman wrote:
Is there a kernel module and/or software that provides Network Address
Translation (something similar to what Cisco's PIX product does)?

There is an implementation of NAT for Linux at
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/HyperNews/get/linux-ip-nat.html, I don't
know if it can do what you want or not.

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Re: ls doesn't work with anonymous ftp (wu-ftpd-academ, hamm)

1998-02-28 Thread Joel Klecker
At 15:32 -0500 1998-02-27, Nelson, R.A \(Richard/Rick\) wrote:
I've got ls working - using libc6... but the owner/gid names are
not displayed, only the numeric values.

I verified that Joel's system exhibits the same problems!

We must be missing something in ~ftp/etc that deals with the getgrnam
and related calls.  This problem is new with libc6...

No, it's missing from ~ftp/lib, copy libnss_files* from /lib to ~ftp/lib,
and user/group names are displayed correctly.

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[/home/ftp/lib]# ls -l
total 823
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root root   161959 Jan 21 10:30 ld-2.0.6.so*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   11 Feb 17 11:32 ld-linux.so.2 -
ld-2.0.6.so*
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root root   643772 Jan 21 10:31 libc-2.0.6.so*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   13 Feb 17 11:32 libc.so.6 -
libc-2.0.6.so*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root29332 Feb  9 14:04 libnss_files-2.0.6.so*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   21 Feb 27 22:39 libnss_files.so.1 -
libnss_files-2.0.6.so*
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[/home/ftp/lib]# ftp ftp.espy.org
Connected to cerberus.espy.org.
220 cerberus.espy.org FTP server (Version wu-2.4.2-academ[BETA-16](1) Tue
Feb 17 02:42:59 CET 1998) ready.
Name (ftp.espy.org:jk): anonymous
331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
Password:
230-Welcome to...
230- .  ___ .___.___   .______
230- / '   //   \   / \,___, ,..'   `. /   \ .'   \
230- |__.  ||,_-'   |__.( |\ |`| | |__-' |
230- | ||   |   `--.  || ||| | |  \  |_
230- / // / // \___.' |`---'  `---|. /  `.__.' /   \
`.___|
230-  \   \___/
230-...Joel Klecker's little chunk of FTP space.
230-
230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
ftp cd pub
250 CWD command successful.
ftp ls -l
200 PORT command successful.
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls.
total 2197
drwxrwxr-x   6 root staff1024 Feb 11 11:17 .
dr-xr-xr-x   6 root root 1024 Feb 17 19:14 ..
drwxrwxr-x   2 root staff1024 Dec 30 18:59 apple-sw-updates
-rw-rw-r--   1 root staff   25098 Jan 14 23:47 bincompat-1.0.0.tar.gz
drwxrwxr-x   3 root staff1024 Feb  7 04:16 debian
drwxrwxr-x   2 root staff1024 Dec 31 18:20 incoming
-rw-rw-r--   1 root staff 2206028 Feb 11 11:17 iwanturvax.au
drwxrwxr-x   2 root staff1024 Dec 30 18:59 mt-newswatcher
226 Transfer complete.
ftp quit
221 Goodbye.

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Re: Anon FTP and other conflicts

1998-02-27 Thread Joel Klecker
At 20:52 -0500 1998-02-26, Ossama Othman wrote:
I did notice one thing about the libs.  Why is the hamm wu-ftpd package
installing libc5 instead of libc6?

It's a bug.

Also, there were conflicts with the netstd ftpd man page that didn't allow
me to install the package.  To make it work I had to force the install
with dpkg.  I had similar problems when installing glibc-dev-2.0.7pre1-2.
There was a conflict with ndbm.h from the libgdbm1-dev package (which is
obsolete).  I had to uninstall libgdbm1-dev before it worked.  This is no
problem but it is an inconvenience.  Does anyone know if this issue is
being addressed?  Bo was the first Debian distribution that I used, and I
never experienced this problem with bo.  Of course, I do understand that
hamm is still considered unstable.

Overlaps between packages are bugs, however, dpkg usually has
--force-overwrite (which turns errors about overlaps into a mere warning)
implicitly enabled, however, the current release of dpkg in hamm has this
disabled so there is incentive to fix overlaps. It will be reenabled before
release. BTW, the latest libgdbm series of packages (in hamm) has fixed the
overlap with libc6-dev, and there are bugs filed against wu-ftpd and netstd
regarding the man page overlap.

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Re: Setting up Anon FTP?

1998-02-27 Thread Joel Klecker
At 10:26 -0800 1998-02-26, Alan Su wrote:
Ossama Othman wrote (Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:31:56 -0500 (EST) ):
|Why are you trying to chroot to /bin/ls?  The ftpd daemon automatically
|does a chroot when someone logs in as anonymous or ftp.  Here is an
|excerpt from the ftpd man page.  Did you follow what it says?
|

Tony was trying to diagnose the problem, the same problem I'm having.
Namely, ls depends on libc (at least) and simply copying the library
to the ~ftp/lib directory doesn't work.  The man page mentions nothing
about this, leading me to believe that it assumes that ls is
statically linked.

Here is the /home/ftp on my hamm system:

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total 5
d--x--x--x   2 root root 1024 Feb 17 11:15 bin/
d--x--x--x   2 root root 1024 Feb 17 11:14 etc/
d--x--x--x   2 root root 1024 Feb 17 11:32 lib/
dr-xr-xr-x   6 root root 1024 Feb 11 03:17 pub/
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  487 Dec 30 10:59 welcome.msg

bin:
total 233
---x--x--x   1 root root45580 Feb 17 11:15 gzip
---x--x--x   1 root root29428 Feb 17 11:15 ls
---x--x--x   1 root root   102380 Feb 17 11:15 tar
---x--x--x   1 root root56156 Feb 17 11:15 zip

etc:
total 3
-r--r--r--   1 root root   18 Feb 17 11:15 group
-r--r--r--   1 root root   44 Feb 17 11:15 passwd
-r--r--r--   1 root root  172 Feb 17 11:14 pathmsg

lib:
total 793
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root root   161959 Jan 21 10:30 ld-2.0.6.so
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   11 Feb 17 11:32 ld-linux.so.2 -
ld-2.0.6.so
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root root   643772 Jan 21 10:31 libc-2.0.6.so
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   13 Feb 17 11:32 libc.so.6 -
libc-2.0.6.so
[snip of the listing of pub]

Output of ldd on /home/ftp/bin/*:

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bin/gzip:
libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
bin/ls:
libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
bin/tar:
libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
bin/zip:
libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)

And yes, it does work.

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Re: Fetchmail Smail Problems

1998-02-26 Thread Joel Klecker
At 03:19 +0100 1998-02-25, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 02:50:06AM +, Deniz Dogan wrote:
 Is there any other options to use as MDA? Preferably, how can I solve
 `connection
 refuse` problem?

Sorry, don't know. Try to look hard at the various files in /etc, as
/etc/hosts*, /etc/resolv.conf etc...

One possibility is that the smtp entry in /etc/inetd.conf is not enabled
(ISTR, that a certain version of the smail package didn't properly enable
this in its postinst script).

Running (as root):
  `update-inetd --enable smtp' (no quotes) should fix that (or else it'll
punt safely).

Also, if one wants smail to run standalone, one can edit /etc/init.d/smail
and comment out the exit 0 line near the top (IIRC, this may be necessary
for it to work at all with fetchmail. It will certainly make fetchmail
perform a bit better even if not required.).

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Re: BGP

1998-02-24 Thread Joel Klecker
At 19:22 -0600 1998-02-23, Jeff Noxon wrote:
>On Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 02:36:16PM -0800, Joel Klecker wrote:
>> At 20:23 +0100 1998-02-23, Peter Paluch wrote:
>> >I would like to ask - is there any package which enables routing using
>> >BGP (Border Gateway Protocol) ? I know that there is routed, but it
>> >doesn't seem to be able to use BGP.
>> 
>> gated, but there is no Debian package for it due to licensing[1] (there was
>> talk of doing an installer package, but nothing ever came of it). gated is
>> available at http://www.gated.org/>.
>> 
>> [1] The gated consortium requires that groups who wish to distribute gated
>> apply for a distribution license, such a license is free, but the DFSG
>> requires that a license not be specifically for Debian.
>
>Could we then apply for a license and put it in non-free?  It makes sense
>to me...  People keep asking for gated.  I'd like to play with it myself.

I mentioned this on IRC (irc.debian.org; #debian) and here's the response:
17:44:58:  * Espy notes that someone on -user asked about something capable of BGP, I mentioned gated(along with the distribution license stuff), someone else mailed me wondering why someone doesn't get a license and put a gated package in non-free. Should I bring this up in -devel again?
17:45:55: netgod> Espy:  because a key part of gated has a license that you have to sign, to distribute it
17:46:17: netgod> Espy:  this is what prompted debian to form a formal board of directors, who then decided debian wasnt going to sign any such document -- 
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Re: PAM: where to get the binaries using PAM

1998-02-23 Thread Joel Klecker
At 12:15 +0100 1998-02-23, Florian Helbing wrote:
I am running Debian 1.3.1 and I've written some configuration files
for PAM but unfortunately the login and other programms in the
distribution do not make any use of the PAM libraries. So could someone
please tell me where to find login, ftp, ... etc. which use the PAM
authentification libraries.

Debian does not yet support PAM, it was a release goal for 2.0, but it was
dropped. It is now a release goal for 2.1.

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Re: Executing a process on another virtual terminal

1998-02-23 Thread Joel Klecker
At 12:19 -0700 1998-02-23, Fulgham, Brent/SCO wrote:
Is there an easy way to start a process on another virtual terminal?

Install the 'open' package.

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Re: ls doesn't work with anonymous ftp (wu-ftpd, hamm)

1998-02-23 Thread Joel Klecker
At 12:00 -0700 1998-02-23, Bob Nielsen wrote:
With the hamm version of wu-ftpd (also wu-ftpd-academ), an anonymous user
gets nothing returned with the ls command:
[snip]
Am I missing something here?

The hamm wu-ftpd and wu-ftpd-academ packages have a script that configures
anonymous FTP, this includes copying system libraries and a few binaries
(since anonymous FTP runs in a chroot jail), the problem is that the
binaries are linked with libc6, but 'addftpuser'(the script) copies libc5
and the libc5 ld.so to /home/ftp/lib. I have filed a bug, and hopefully,
the maintainer will fix it soon.

For reference, here's a listing of /home/ftp/lib (I manually copied the
libs and symlinks) on my system.


total 793
-r-xr-xr-x   1 root root   161959 Jan 21 10:30 ld-2.0.6.so*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   11 Feb 17 11:32 ld-linux.so.2 -
ld-2.0.6.so*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   643772 Jan 21 10:31 libc-2.0.6.so*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   13 Feb 17 11:32 libc.so.6 -
libc-2.0.6.so*


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Re: BGP

1998-02-23 Thread Joel Klecker
At 20:23 +0100 1998-02-23, Peter Paluch wrote:
I would like to ask - is there any package which enables routing using
BGP (Border Gateway Protocol) ? I know that there is routed, but it
doesn't seem to be able to use BGP.

gated, but there is no Debian package for it due to licensing[1] (there was
talk of doing an installer package, but nothing ever came of it). gated is
available at http://www.gated.org/.

[1] The gated consortium requires that groups who wish to distribute gated
apply for a distribution license, such a license is free, but the DFSG
requires that a license not be specifically for Debian.

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Re: HELP! Bash 2.01 for bo?

1998-02-20 Thread Joel Klecker
At 23:56 +0100 1998-02-19, Wojtek Zabolotny wrote:
Hi!

I'm looking for bash 2.01 for bo (1.3.1). Preferrably the source version.

I am building a 'bo-unstable' release of bash 2.01 as per your request. I
will email you again as soon as it is uploaded.

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Re: Monitoring ppp0 Packets

1998-02-19 Thread Joel Klecker
At 15:34 +1100 1998-02-18, Ian Perry wrote:
I would like to know if there is a way where I can monitor the number of
ppp0 packets transmitted and received as a continuous update on the screen.

Try netload, it is in the `netdiag' package along with several other neat
utilities.

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Re: about the FAQ and /etc/init.d

1998-02-17 Thread Joel Klecker
At 00:36 +1030 1998-02-18, John Spence wrote:
Using defaults was supposed to add symlinks for runlevels 2 to 5 but the
output of the command was the following which seems to indicate that it
did more than that. I assume that each of the following directories is
for a specific runlevel:

 Adding system startup links pointing to /etc/init.d/jmasq ...
   rc2.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq
   rc3.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq
   rc4.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq
   rc5.d/S19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq
   rc0.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq
   rc1.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq
   rc6.d/K19jmasq - ../init.d/jmasq

S* means, execute with the argument start; K* means, execute with the
argument stop; so, runlevels 2-5 will start the script, and runlevels
0, 1, and 6 will stop it.

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Re: Can't install samba_1.9.18p2-1.deb (the one in hamm)

1998-02-16 Thread Joel Klecker
At 11:14 -0500 1998-02-16, David Gaudine wrote:
dselect was unable to upgrade my samba using samba_1.9.18p2-1.deb.
I then rather foolishly used dpkg --purge samba to see if a
fresh install went better, this was a mistake since it left me with
no samba at all instead of the older one.  I have copied the
dselect messages to the end of this message.  Is there a known problem?
If not, is there a log file I should look into for more details?

Unpacking samba (from .../net/samba_1.9.18p2-1.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/net/
   samba_1.9.18p2-1.deb (--install):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/man/man8/smbmount.8.gz', which is also in
   package ksmbfs
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/net/samba_1.9.18p2-1.deb

The latest hamm dpkg does not have --force-overwrite enabled by default,
this is so overlaps between packages can be easily spotted and corrected.
You can do a dpkg --force-overwrite --install path/to/samba_1.9.18p2-1.deb
manually.

The overlap has been reported as a bug, see
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/17/17932.html if you like.

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Re: Debian and FHS?

1998-02-14 Thread Joel Klecker
At 17:08 +0100 1998-02-14, Torsten Hilbrich wrote:
At the moment Debian follows the directory structure found in the
FSSTND.

Are there any plans to follow FHS in the near future?

It is intended that Debian 2.1 follow the FHS, with the exception that
/var/lib/dpkg will not be moved to /var/state/dpkg (it is considered too
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Re: How do I convert data e-mailed from a mac?

1998-02-10 Thread Joel Klecker
At 14:19 -0500 1998-02-09, Daniel Martin at cush wrote:
Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  jpmaster.dvi
 This is a application/mac-binhex40

Check out the program frommac in the macutils package (which
contains all sorts of utilities for converting to/from binhex and
macbinary formats).

No, 'frommac' is a serial file transfer utility, 'hexbin' decodes binhex.

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Re: file system copying nightmare

1998-02-09 Thread Joel Klecker
At 09:03 + 1998-02-08, David Maslen wrote:
In the past I used a rescue disk, called I think rescue that I got from
the linux archives at sunsite. It's probably a boit out of date by now.
I really should learn how to make my own rescue disk, but it would
be nice if there was a debian one that did what i wanted.

How about a debian script to make one for you? Anyone?

See the `boot-floppies' package.

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Re: hamm (fresh) install considerations

1998-02-02 Thread Joel Klecker
Regarding Re: hamm (fresh) install considerations of 00:32 -0800
1998-02-02, David Stern wrote:
On 01 Feb 1998 22:42:53 EST, Ben Pfaff wrote:
 I'm considering a fresh hamm install, however I haven't found much
 information about installing hamm fresh.  I presume that bash and libc
 would be non-issues (at least for installation), but beyond that, what
 can I expect, in terms of errors -- both quantity and complexity?

 There aren't any hamm install disks yet AFAIK.  You have to install
 bo, then upgrade to hamm.

Oh -- that wasn't what I expected.

However, there actually are hamm install disks now, they are currently in
incoming, but there are mirrors of that at
ftp://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian/Incoming/ and
ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/debian/Incoming/ among others.

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Re: HELP: eth0 not recognized

1998-01-31 Thread Joel Klecker
Regarding HELP: eth0 not recognized of 16:25 +0900 1998-01-30, David
Iannucci wrote:
I've got an ISA ethernet card that has E2000 printed on it, and
so I've assumed it's an NE2000 compatible.  There's a paper
note taped on the inside of the machine that says that the
ethernet card is IRQ 7, and I've tried booting from LILO with
linux ether=7, but no go.  I've tried any number of ways, but
to no avail.  When I boot under W95, however, the card works
fine.  Although I know practically nothing about hardware, I
was under the impression that NE2000 compatible cards were
very common and should definitely be seen by the default kernel.

You probably need to specify the IO address also (as stated in another reply).

The E2000 makes me suspect that the card is a cabletron card. The
following is from the Ethernet HOWTO:


  5.11.  Cabletron

  Donald writes: `Yes, another one of these companies that won't release
  its programming information. They waited for months before actually
  confirming that all their information was proprietary, deliberately
  wasting my time. Avoid their cards like the plague if you can.  Also
  note that some people have phoned Cabletron, and have been told things
  like `a D. Becker is working on a driver for linux' -- making it sound
  like I work for them. This is NOT the case.'

  If you feel like asking them why they don't want to release their low
  level programming info so that people can use their cards, write to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Tell them that you are using Linux, and are
  disappointed that they don't support open systems. And no, the usual
  driver development kit they supply is useless. It is just a DOS object
  file that you are supposed to link against. Which you aren't allowed
  to even reverse engineer.

  5.11.1.  E10**, E10**-x, E20**, E20**-x

  Status -- Semi-Supported

  These are NEx000 almost-clones that are reported to work with the
  standard NEx000 drivers, thanks to a ctron-specific check during the
  probe. If there are any problems, they are unlikely to be fixed, as
  the programming information is unavailable.


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Re: max mount count?

1998-01-24 Thread Joel Klecker
Regarding max mount count? of 7:23 AM -0500 1/24/98, Gerald Wann wrote:
Sometimes when i boot i get the message:

/dev/hda3 maximal mount count reached.. check forced.

What exactly does this indicate?

Each ext2 volume has a count of the number of times it has been mounted,
and also a maximum number of mounts between checks, when the maximum is
reached, a check is forced, this is to insure disk integrity, by checking
the volume periodically even if the volume is always cleanly unmounted.

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Re: Updating the kernel via patches

1998-01-20 Thread Joel Klecker
Regarding Updating the kernel via patches of 5:14 PM +0100 1/19/98,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
recently I tried to update my kernel (2.0.30) to version 2.0.33. I
used the script patch-kernel (I hope the name is right) and the files

   patch-2.0.31.gz
   patch-2.0.32.gz
   patch-2.0.33.gz

The 'kernel-source-2.0.30' package already has some patches applied, which
is why the above patches won't apply cleanly.

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Re: hamm screen

1998-01-16 Thread Joel Klecker
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Regarding Re: hamm screen of 12:07 PM + 1/15/98, Norbert Veber wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 04:52:01PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 14, 1998 at 08:23:23PM +, Norbert Veber wrote:
  I am having a strange problem with the hamm version of screen, it
works fine
  for root, but when any other user tries to run it, it just 'freezes'
as in:
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] screen
 
  it just sits there for ever, not error message, nothing.

 Permissions correct on /tmp? (drwxrwxrwxt). screen creates
 some sockets in /tmp I believe. I'm using 3.7.4-3 here
 and it seems to be fine.

yes, they are:
drwxrwxrwt   3 root root 4096 Jan 15 12:02 tmp

I use 3.7.4-4, I've noticed that it does not make any files in /tmp even
when I run it as root.

- From /usr/doc/screen/changelog.Debian.gz.


screen (3.7.4-4) unstable; urgency=low

  * Changed upstream changelog name (ChangeLog.gz - changelog.gz)
  * Changed sockets from /tmp to /var/run (closes:Bug#6487)
  * New Standards-Version: 2.3.0.1
  * Changed behaviour of backspace key (now sends `DEL' == 0177)

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Re: init.d, rc0.d, ... rc6.d

1998-01-12 Thread Joel Klecker
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Regarding Re: init.d, rc0.d, ... rc6.d of 9:04 PM -0800 1/11/98, Joey
Hess wrote:
Sen Nagata wrote:
   what kind of advantages does this kind of approach have compared to
 having a single file for each run level (or even one file for all
 runlevels) describing which scripts to run (as well as the order to run
 them in)?

There's not much difference, really, though the current way is more standard.
Take a look at the file-rc package, that sets up debian to act the way you
want, with a single config file replacing the symlinks.

No, DON'T use file-rc, it has some serious bugs
(http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/pa/lfile-rc.html).

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Re: bootable Debian 1.3.1 CD

1997-12-19 Thread Joel Klecker
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Regarding bootable Debian 1.3.1 CD of 03:26 AM -0800 1997-12-17,
Christian Hagemeier wrote:
My motherboard supports the feature to boot from a CD-ROM. I read that I
can install Debian this way. But how do i create such a CD? Or is the
Official CD such a bootable CD?

The Official CD is bootable, yes.

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Re: Spreadsheets

1997-12-12 Thread Joel Klecker
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Regarding Spreadsheets of 05:42 PM -0800 1997-12-11, Mark Phillips wrote:
Hi,

Two questions:

1.  Is the spreadsheet wingz available for debian - I couldn't find it.
Or is there a spreadsheet which allows the importation of wingz files?

There's a Linux version of Wingz, see
http://www.wingz.com/linux/linux.html, but there's no Debian installer
package.

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Re: crypt problem

1997-12-11 Thread Joel Klecker
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Regarding crypt problem of 04:54 AM -0800 1997-12-11, Martin Madlik wrote:
I'm trying to use st. from hamm distribution.
  libc6 and so on I have installed properly but now I have following problem :
I'm compilling RADIUS 2.0 daemon and here is error message :
/tmp/cca305401.o: In function `unix_pass':
/tmp/cca305401.o(.text+0x2159): undefined reference to `crypt'
make: *** [radiusd] Error 1

You need to link against libcrypt, add -lcrypt to the LIBS or CFLAGS of the
Makefile.

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Re: PGP

1997-12-05 Thread Joel Klecker
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Regarding Re: PGP of 03:37 PM -0800 1997-12-04, Pete Harlan wrote:
Sorry for the off-topic.  I hope nobody bothers to package this up for
Debian unless source is released.  There, now it's on-topic.

And please correct me if source for 5.0 is available...

It is available, just only in book form. This is a cover your ass move by
PGP as cryptographic code can be legally exported from the US if it is not
machine readable.

The source at http://www.pgpi.com/ is almost exactly the same as the
source used to build the US version at the MIT site, the only difference
is that the US version uses RSAREF, to avoid the patent issues.
I have seen versions of PGP 2.6.3i that were legal in the US, because they
were compiled with RSAREF instead of MPILIB.
It must be possible to do this with the PGP 5 code base as well.

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Re: Compiling kernel rm -rf asm linux scsi?

1997-10-22 Thread Joel Klecker
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1997-10-21 at approximately 05:45 PM -0700, Mark Phillips wrote:
 I am trying to compile the kernel.  The README says I should make sure
 /usr/include/asm, /usr/include/linux, and /usr/include/scsi directories
 are just symlinks to the kernel sources.  They are not, so should I do a
 rm -rf asm linux scsi as they suggest?

No, don't do that (there is a very good reason for that, but I am not clear
on what it is, perhaps someone else on the list can enlighten me :). I
suggest using kernel-package to build a kernel, see
/usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz if that package is installed on your
system. It works great, I recently used it to build a 2.0.31 kernel-image
and kernel-source package. I have excerpted a section of
/usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz below to show how simple it is to use.


 For the Brave and the impatient:
1% cd kernel source tree
2% make config   # or make menuconfig or make xconfig and configure
3% make-kpkg clean
4% make-kpkg -r=custom.1.0 kernel_image
5% dpkg -i ../kernel-image-X.XXX_1.0_arch.deb
6% shutdown -r now # If and only if LILO worked or you have a means of
   # booting the new kernel. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!


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Re: 2.0.31 kernel

1997-10-19 Thread Joel Klecker
1997-10-18 at approximately 09:58 AM -0700, Shaleh wrote:
 Anyone care to give their opinion on the new 2.0.31 kernel?  Manoj any
 idea when the package will be out?

Why wait? Just use the kernel-package package. If that's installed, take
a look at /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, kernel-package allows one
to build a kernel-image, kernel-source, or kernel-headers (or all
three) package from any Linux kernel source tree.

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