OT high-power radio broadcasting (was Re: red SATA cable corruption)

2018-09-14 Thread Marty
The Debian whippersnappers need to know their hacker history :) I've heard the stories about getting caught on or near a tower. Supposedly you can feel it before it scrambles your brains. I would not seek out the experience. On 09/12/2018 02:08 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Yeah, I've some

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-14 Thread Marty
On 12/12/2014 10:46 PM, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/12/13 3:44 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net: So... in all of this thread, I have yet to see anybody actually talk about 9p or plumber - details, and more importantly, in comparison to D-Bus. People are concerned about impacts to their

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-11 Thread Marty
On 12/11/2014 02:02 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 10 December 2014 18:08:00 Martin Read wrote: On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote: The industry and its plans for FOSS is strongly anti-choice: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.h tml It appears to me

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Marty
On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: I would even deign to give users a choice in the matter, [snip] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away. Choice??? Lisi The industry and its plans for FOSS is strongly anti

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Marty
On 12/10/2014 01:08 PM, Martin Read wrote: On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote: On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: I would even deign to give users a choice in the matter, [snip] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Marty
On 12/10/2014 10:16 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 12/10/2014 02:42 PM, Joe wrote: Proof of Concept. A bit short of a prototype. There are two different concepts here, almost no home *workstation* will be used truly multi-seat i.e. with more than one person connected simultaneously to it. A home

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-09 Thread Marty
On 12/09/2014 04:55 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 09 December 2014 08:59:34 Curt wrote: On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: So, what up to date operating system is, now? You cut his link to plan9; maybe that's it. Which is going to be so up-to-date that it can't use

9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-08 Thread Marty
I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wider audience. I'm starting to get familiar with Plan 9 and D-Bus, to compare how they try to solve the same

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-08 Thread Marty
On 12/08/2014 10:43 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wider

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Marty
On 12/08/2014 04:53 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Lars Noodén wrote: On 12/08/2014 08:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Exactly what is meant by Multi-seat PC? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-26 Thread Marty
On 11/26/2014 10:02 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I'm saying that §9.11 was not designed for anything else than ensuring that the Debian archive would keep working with the default init system of the time, nothing more. Except for its actual purpose, ensuring a choice of Alternate init

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-24 Thread Marty
On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 18.09:58 Marty a écrit : Did I miss something? Yes. Option 1: init policy stands *won by default* [1] Option 2: change init policy *LOST* Option 3: ask nicely to follow init policy *lost* Option 4: policy

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-24 Thread Marty
On 11/24/2014 04:16 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 24 nov 14, 08:02:44, Marty wrote: It was a policy vote. The only results that matter are their effect on Debian Policy, right? The rest is academic. The vote invoked a clause in the TC init decision to allow modifying or overturning

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Marty
On 11/22/2014 06:43 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want. The winner was developers will work

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Marty
On 11/23/2014 06:48 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Marty wrote: On 11/22/2014 06:43 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: It lost. Developers are not being forced

Re: The systemd MacGuffin

2014-11-19 Thread Marty
On 11/18/2014 10:15 AM, Keith Peter wrote: On 18/11/2014, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Marty wrote: I started posting here when, after years of promoting Linux to friends and employers and finally seeing much progress, my company started phasing out Debian (systemd

The systemd MacGuffin

2014-11-18 Thread Marty
The systemd issue in Debian (not systemd itself) is like exploring a cave system which seems to go on forever. It has so many facets and subplots that it seems impossible to evaluate objectively. It's the perfect storm for Debian. It's hard to imagine a more polarizing issue. It's conceivable

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-17 Thread Marty
On 11/17/2014 01:13 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 16 nov 14, 13:22:54, Marty wrote: On 11/16/2014 11:50 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: In the later case, one just has to read: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Incompatibilities/ to get very, very scared Each one a bug as per

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-17 Thread Marty
On 11/17/2014 01:54 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 08:29:28PM -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/16/2014 03:32 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Marty wrote: snip My point is that in a modular design nothing should be so entrenched

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-16 Thread Marty
On 11/16/2014 05:26 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Sat, 15 Nov 2014 20:21:49 -0500, Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com a écrit : On 11/15/2014 06:49 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] At least some of people rejecting systemd demand that it be removed completely, including libsystemd. How

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-16 Thread Marty
On 11/16/2014 11:50 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: In the later case, one just has to read: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Incompatibilities/ to get very, very scared Each one a bug as per Debian policy (sysvinit support). Looks like we have our work cut out for us. Among the

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-16 Thread Marty
On 11/16/2014 03:32 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Marty wrote: snip My point is that in a modular design nothing should be so entrenched as to be irreplaceable. Absence of an alternate should not normally indicate impossibility of an alternate, but some

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Marty
On 11/15/2014 06:49 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: On 11/14/2014 05:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote: snip Jumping in here as myself, not Joel's tag-team member. :) Debian as an entity doesn't really do much

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Marty
On 11/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: There are no functional differences between

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-14 Thread Marty
On 11/14/2014 05:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote: snip Jumping in here as myself, not Joel's tag-team member. :) Debian as an entity doesn't really do much. There are only one or several volunteers who start doing things. Setting up a separate port

Re: Possible comprommission, what to do ?

2014-11-13 Thread Marty
On 11/13/2014 03:57 AM, Erwan David wrote: I just got a call form police, that they have arrested a pirate who tried to connect to one of my (debian) servers. They tell me he is gifted, but since the policewoman I had one phone mixes server, web site and email address, it may not be

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-12 Thread Marty
On 11/12/2014 07:48 PM, Gary Roach wrote: On 11/08/2014 04:19 AM, Keith Peter wrote: Hello Bret and All Mr Hess was writing to the 1000+ Debian developers so the subject line *may* have made instant sense to them, but I take the wider point. We had better explain the 'so long and thanks for

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Marty
On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:33 -0500, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org a écrit : On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Marty
On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: There are no functional differences between an installation with sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is installed later

Re: Installing Android development software

2014-11-09 Thread Marty
On 11/09/2014 12:50 PM, Steve Greig wrote: I thought I would try and build an Android app and see that you have to download and install some software: adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702.zip Before doing this (I often find installs go wrong) I was wondering if it is possible to do it using apt

Re: useradd segmentation fault

2014-11-07 Thread Marty
On 11/07/2014 09:04 PM, Joris Bolsens wrote: Ran into a bit of a strange error with useradd today, whenever i run useradd I get a Segmentation fault. I tried running fsck as i read it might be due to corrupt filesystem, but that didn't report any problems. I reinstalled the passwd package,

Re: useradd segmentation fault

2014-11-07 Thread Marty
On 11/07/2014 11:29 PM, Joris Bolsens wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No idea, that's just what i got when I ran the command, I left out a bit at the top that did the ldap lookups, that all looked find and didn't want to include that as 1) dont think it's relevant and 2)

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-02 Thread Marty
On 11/02/2014 05:17 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: I don't think we have universal agreement that systemd violates the (rather nebulous) (Well, engineering principles do tend to _appear_ nebulous, I suppose.) To a lot of

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-02 Thread Marty
On 11/02/2014 12:46 PM, Peter Nieman wrote: On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread. Required reading because of what? In order to learn what an arrogant and insulting pamphlet

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-01 Thread Marty
On 11/01/2014 07:56 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Steve McIntyre wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Martin Read wrote: On 01/11/14 01:53, lee wrote: It doesn't need these code paths. The library doesn't do anything unless you do have the software actually running which the library makes useable ---

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-01 Thread Marty
On 11/01/2014 10:00 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 02/11/14 12:19, Frank McCormick wrote: On 11/01/2014 08:58 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: For the purpose of education not to fan silly semantic pedantics. On 02/11/14 05:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: snipped Second, we're not talking about vaguely

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-30 Thread Marty
On 10/29/2014 06:53 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:52:54 -0400, Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com a écrit : On 10/28/2014 05:10 PM, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 28.10.2014 20:53, schrieb Marty: This just being one example of context being leaked. Some of this context could

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Marty
On 10/30/2014 10:14 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:27:50AM +0100, Hans wrote: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. If you want this to work,

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-30 Thread Marty
On 10/30/2014 04:29 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Thu, 30 Oct 2014 02:24:27 -0400, Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com a écrit : On 10/29/2014 06:53 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:52:54 -0400, Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com a écrit : [...] By problem I meant what I

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-28 Thread Marty
On 10/27/2014 12:15 PM, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 27.10.2014 15:05, schrieb Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: Btw. the commit you are referencing just updated the init script, the change in libuuid was done over 2 years ago:

Re: [Solved] New install: root account is locked, starting shell

2014-10-28 Thread Marty
On 10/28/2014 11:14 PM, tjr0...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone Delete the root password x in /etc/passwd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-28 Thread Marty
On 10/28/2014 05:10 PM, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 28.10.2014 20:53, schrieb Marty: This just being one example of context being leaked. Some of this context could be cleaned up if uuidd were setuid root (and not setuid uuidd), but not all of it necessarily. From what you write it's

Re: Who's locking down the code?

2014-10-27 Thread Marty
On 10/27/2014 10:14 AM, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: Στις 25-10-2014 20:30, goli...@riseup.net έγ�αψε: On 2014-10-25 12:14, Laurent Bigonville wrote: golinux wrote: Would appreciate comments on this observation: Look at the source code (while you're at it, note who are the

EFI SecureBoot and Trusted Computing in Debian

2014-10-25 Thread Marty
This is the best I could come up with so far. I have found my lance and my rickety but pompous horse. Did anyone see where the windmills went? (cc'd to -user) --- What I call the manifesto [1] claims that UEFI SecureBoot is needed in a post Snowden World. If Debian's freedom of choice in init

Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

2014-10-20 Thread Marty
On 10/20/2014 03:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit. One that doesn't divide the FOSS world. We have enough challenges without that. Yes. Syvinit still

Re: kworker writes to disc every 5 seconds on battery

2014-10-19 Thread Marty
On 10/18/2014 04:47 PM, Teresa e Junior wrote: Hello! I have noticed that my current setup of Chrome writes to disc every second. While hunting for the problem, I have found an old bug report on Google Code about this, and from my tests I concluded my solution for now would be to run Chrome with

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Marty
On 10/19/2014 01:25 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 3:42 PM, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: The fun part will be to see who actually steps up to the plate to do all of the extra work. Especially amongst all of those pledged seconds. I hope someone is keeping a list. :) Ric From

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-16 Thread Marty
On 10/16/2014 08:41 PM, Ric Moore wrote: But, I consider it idiotic to bash Red Hat as ~anyone~ with the guts can do what Bob Young did. Just gather some talented people together around a kitchen table and create your own distro. That is perfectly legal and now they are worth billions, by

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-15 Thread Marty
On 10/15/2014 04:19 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/15/2014 07:08 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 15.10.2014 12:09, Brian a écrit : On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 15.10.2014 09:11, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-15 Thread Marty
On 10/15/2014 07:54 PM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: snip * http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/hostnamed/ * http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated/ * http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/localed/ * http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind/

Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-14 Thread Marty
It seems like free software employment and market share come with increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my main concern as a Debian user, as I consider recent trends. I hope that Debian members consider an amendment to restrict voting rights for members who have a

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-14 Thread Marty
On 10/14/2014 12:10 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Marty wrote: It seems like free software employment and market share come with increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. People have to eat. Almost everyone who works on Debian has someone who pays them. It's my

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-14 Thread Marty
, Marty wrote: It seems like free software employment and market share come with increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my main concern as a Debian user, as I consider recent trends. I hope that Debian members consider an amendment to restrict voting rights

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread Marty
On 10/13/2014 07:13 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Joey Hess wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: But that is the major objection of those of us who USE Debian -- the need to do so, particularly when this concerns production servers. Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debian 8 (jessie)

Re: debian-advocacy?

2014-10-13 Thread Marty
On 10/13/2014 07:14 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 08:02:28 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 15:07:33 -0700, Buntunub wrote: This list is the perfect place for such things. The decision to make Systemd

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Marty
On 10/11/2014 12:49 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 11 oct 14, 12:19:29, Marty wrote: Could it be that a modular design for such complex tasks becomes too difficult to *do it right*? I don't know, but I think given its history, the burden of proof is on monolithic, not modular design

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Marty
On 10/08/2014 09:36 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 10/08/2014 at 09:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:16:25 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: I was specifically asking about a reference for Thorsten Glaser was ordered not to bring up alternate inits I'll

Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-11 Thread Marty
On 10/11/2014 08:18 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Is systemd (the project) trying to do too much? Possibly. Would it be better if this was done in a modular design *done right*? Probably. Yet, none of the solutions so far has *really* caught on. daemontools, runit, s6, init-ng, etc. and even

Re: question about systemd

2014-10-09 Thread Marty
On 10/09/2014 04:45 AM, Joe wrote: And I have an old laptop and a virtual installation on a Windows laptop, both on sysvinit. But both exist for a small set of purposes, and have nothing like the range of software on my workstation, so I don't know what they tell us. They also only get upgraded

Re: Data from a serial port

2014-10-05 Thread Marty
On 10/05/2014 03:50 PM, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: root@meow:/home/ethan# chown ethan /dev/ttyS0 root@meow:/home/ethan# ls -l /dev/ttyS0 crw-rw 1 ethan dialout 4, 64 Oct 4 23:00 /dev/ttyS0 root@meow:/home/ethan# $cat /dev/ttyS0|tee -a scale.txt bash: /dev/ttyS0: Permission denied # adduser

Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

2014-10-02 Thread Marty
On 09/28/2014 08:20 PM, Marty wrote: On 09/28/2014 09:25 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: As a disclaimer, the easy path to continued across board interoperability may have been successfully addressed in a Debian-User email that is simply waiting its turn to be read.. I'm saving it for my next

Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

2014-09-28 Thread Marty
On 09/28/2014 09:25 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: How'd you ever find that in among every single other thing else that's out there to study regarding anything Debian...? Lucky google search I guess. S Genuine question, not trying to make any point in case it comes across that way. I

Debian policy on alternate init systems

2014-09-27 Thread Marty
The Debian Policy Manual currently supports alternate init systems, and mentions upstart as an example. sysvinit scripts will continue to be required per policy. I got the opposite impression from the TC debate, where part of the justification (IIRC) for systemd was avoiding sysvinit

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-24 Thread Marty
On 09/24/2014 02:45 PM, Brian wrote: Chanting Red Hat Conspirancy to yourself before falling into a deep slumber is one thing. Convincing most other people it exists is a task which requires a little bit more. FUD alert Let's see, the real goal of systemd has nothing to do with init or

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

2014-09-23 Thread Marty
On 09/23/2014 05:14 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: So my challenge is to you: *Act* for change. Instead of just venting your frustration here, which will do nothing, absolutely and utterly nothing for any change! But basically the opposite, the more energy you put into venting engaging here in

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-23 Thread Marty
On 09/23/2014 12:11 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 22 sep 14, 21:17:28, Marty wrote: 1) The goal is modular Debian. Multi-init is the means to achieve it. Being tied to one init system is what caused Debian’s problems, and the replacement did not fix it. A modular system has to support all

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-22 Thread Marty
On 09/22/2014 05:39 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.09.2014 01:51, John Hasler a écrit : Martin Read writes: consolekit is indeed the thing that systemd-logind replaces (and systemd-logind was the reason the maintainers of consolekit stopped maintaining it). So who is

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-22 Thread Marty
On 09/22/2014 05:07 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi Rob, I saw the bug closed (via mail on -devel) and personally thought it shouldn't have been. However when considering next steps my advice would be to leave bugs alone for a short while and let things cool off. It's important and useful to

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

2014-09-21 Thread Marty
On 09/21/2014 01:12 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in Jessie. You can start by reading why I voted for systemd:

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-20 Thread Marty
On 09/19/2014 07:34 PM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 1:36 AM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: I do not understand something that has been bugging me for a while and I'd like to ask the many minds of the list why this would not be possible, especially since Debian has some

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

2014-09-14 Thread Marty
On 09/14/2014 08:15 AM, The Wanderer wrote: The fourth would require clarification from you as to exactly what it is you do require. (not OP but) I require the exclusion all packages by their dev teams from my computer. Is that clear enough? Linus doesn't trust them. Why should I?

Re: Unable to get X to start on new flat screen monitor using DVI

2012-06-18 Thread Marty
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC read failed Are you missing an I2C driver? Also, just WAG but maybe 1280X720 will work anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Mythtv problem with versions

2012-05-21 Thread Marty
On 04/29/12 10:41, Rob Owens wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 07:24:07PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: I have a server running Squeeze. It has mythtv-backend to record all my TV programs. On my desktop I run Sid. After an update over the weekend, my Mythtv Frontend will no longer connect to

no recent Squeeze updates

2011-07-23 Thread Marty
I have not gotten any package updates, including security upgrades, in any of my Squeeze systems for at least two weeks. In my experience this is unprecedented. I have not changed my apt config or sources.list. Is there a change in the update policy? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Ma Lenny supporte 4Gb de Ram en 32bits

2010-10-08 Thread Rémi Marty
En fait cela s'explique surtout par windows XP qui est con (enfin on peux toujours ajouter un truc du genre /PAE dans le boot de windows). Leopard qui n'était pas du tout 64 bits supportais très bien plus de 3Go en fait cela dépends en grande partie de l'os et de sa gestion de la mémoire

[apt-get] Problème d'installation.

2010-07-12 Thread MARTY
Bonjour à tous, J'ai quelques problèmes avec l'installation d'un package que j'ai créé. Je l'installe, mais la machine ne semble pas s'en 'souvenir'. Je m'explique : Je n'ai aucun soucis pour le créer, je pense donc (à tord peut être) que tout ce qui est nécessaire est présent dans le

Probleme aptitude upgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Frédéric MARTY
Bonjour a tous, J'ai recemment créé un dépot de packages de configuration d'ordinateurs. J'ai un soucis au niveau de l'installation des mises a jour. Je m'explique : L'installation des packages se fait sans probleme. C'est quand je veux faire les mises a jour que les soucis arrivent. Aptitude

Re: script bash

2010-07-07 Thread MARTY
Tahar BEN ACHOUR wrote: Bonjour à tous, Bonjour, Une petite question en bash, Je voudrais savoir comment faire pour échapper les ' ' afin que ma variable soit prise en compte, [..] sed -i '1iLogFile /srv/logs/$domain' $line ici je n'ai pas su comment echapper la quote

Re: Re : script bash

2010-07-07 Thread MARTY
Tahar BEN ACHOUR wrote: Je fais ca en mettant ma variable entre double quote : sed -i '1iLogFile /srv/logs/$domain' $line Merci pour ton aide, mais ça ne marche pas ainsi j'obtiens $domain comme résultat Et en mettant des double quote partout : sed -i

Re: Probleme aptitude upgrade

2010-07-07 Thread MARTY
Regarde ce que te sort un apt-cache policy La priorité pour mon dépot est de 500, comme les autres. et un apt-cache policy nom du package Ici, je vois comme un soucis en effet : WeblibBase : Install : (aucun) Candidat : 1.0.4.0 C'est étrange puisque je viens juste d'installer la

aptitude install et ssh

2010-05-27 Thread MARTY
Bonjour a tous, Je voudrais monter un depot de package sur lequel les utilisateurs viendrait se servir via ssh. Pour cela je vais creer un user qui sera utiliser pour recuperer les packages de maniere standard, avec un aptitude/apt-get install. Je voudrais donc limiter au maximum les droits

Re: [HS] droits d'accès au /home

2010-03-19 Thread Rémi Marty
La question ne se pose plus trop maintenant que les clés usb / petit disque durs sont largement utilisé, selon moi, les données perso pures n'ont rien a faire que se soit sur le poste et encore moins sur le serveur (je parle pas de wallpaper ou autre accessoirisation du desktop). Quand aux

Re: Probleme avec la commande dpkg-scanpackages

2010-03-10 Thread MARTY
Lors de l'exécution de la commande dpkg-scanpackages pour créer le fichier Packages.gz, j'ai une erreur : dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c Packages.gz Est-ce que LANG=C dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c Packages.gz fonctionne ? J'obtiens toujours le même message

Re: Probleme avec la commande dpkg-scanpackages

2010-03-10 Thread MARTY
Raphael Hertzog wrote: Bonjour, On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, MARTY wrote: Lors de l'exécution de la commande dpkg-scanpackages pour créer le fichier Packages.gz, j'ai une erreur : dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c Packages.gz Est-ce que LANG=C dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip

Re: Probleme avec la commande dpkg-scanpackages

2010-03-10 Thread MARTY
Il ne doit pas y avoir d'espace avant les :. Je ne sais pas comment vous avez généré ce paquet, mais ces espaces ne doivent pas y être, c'est à cause de cela que ces informations ne sont pas reconnues par dpkg-scanpackages. A+ Merci beaucoup pour ce coup de main, j'ai honte de mon erreur

Probleme avec la commande dpkg-scanpackages

2010-03-09 Thread MARTY
Bonjour à tous, Après avoir créer un package perso, j'essai de le monter sur un dépot sur ma machine. Lors de l'exécution de la commande dpkg-scanpackages pour créer le fichier Packages.gz, j'ai une erreur : dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c Packages.gz dpkg-scanpackages: erreur:

Re: CD Debian personnalisé avec mon propre Kern el

2010-03-02 Thread Rémi Marty
Salut, J'ai eu le meme genre de probleme, tu pourrais peut-etre utilisé un .deb classique qui contiendrait ton kernel.deb et le placerait dans /root (par exemple) + dans ton profile.postscript rajouter un dpkg -i /root/kernel.deb Cordialement, Rémi Le 2 mars 2010 à 14:53, Hugo Deprez a écrit

Re: CD Debian personnalisé avec mon propre Kern el

2010-03-02 Thread Rémi Marty
: pourquoi pas, mais quel est la syntaxe du fichier profile.postscript ? Il doit se trouver à la racine de mon espace de travail (dans le dossier config)? Merci 2010/3/2 Rémi Marty bham1...@hotmail.com Salut, J'ai eu le meme genre de probleme, tu pourrais peut-etre utilisé un .deb classique

Re: CD Debian personnalisé avec mon propre Kern el

2010-03-02 Thread Rémi Marty
Par contre si tu as une idée pour integrer le fameux firmware bnx2 simplement (sans sortir initgz de l'iso puis lui concatener le microcode contenu dans le deb) je suis preneur ^^ Rémi Le 2 mars 2010 à 15:04, Rémi Marty a écrit : Salut, J'ai eu le meme genre de probleme, tu pourrais peut

Mythtv 0.22 segfault

2010-01-11 Thread Marty
With recent mythtv upgrade 0.22 I get a kernel message mythfrontend[8527]: segfault at 0 ip b4f0af13 sp a9168b48 error 4 in libmpeg2.so.0.0.0[b4f05000+17000] when I try to play back any recording, on my mostly stock Lenny system. (The main differences are upgraded radeonhd drivers, 1.2.5-1 and

SOLVED Re: Gnome URL icon associations

2008-06-08 Thread Marty
Marty wrote: In my debian Etch system, the default browser is iceape, the link /etc/x-www-browser points to /usr/bin/iceape, and mozilla is the selected default browser using the gnome Desktop-Preferences-Preferred Applications applet. I am not familiar with gconf configuration. Regardless

Gnome URL icon associations

2008-06-07 Thread Marty
In my debian Etch system, the default browser is iceape, the link /etc/x-www-browser points to /usr/bin/iceape, and mozilla is the selected default browser using the gnome Desktop-Preferences-Preferred Applications applet. I am not familiar with gconf configuration. Regardless of the default

Re: apt/dselect anomaly

2008-05-19 Thread Marty
Daniel Burrows wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 08:33:35PM -0400, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: I usually keep current with the Debian archive using apt-get. Sometimes, however, I install programs using dselect. After upgrading to the latest Debian archive using apt-get update

apt/dselect anomaly

2008-05-18 Thread Marty
I usually keep current with the Debian archive using apt-get. Sometimes, however, I install programs using dselect. After upgrading to the latest Debian archive using apt-get update/upgrade, I got the following message while running dselect: The following packages will be upgraded:

Re: [OT] how to clean grime off old computer MB?

2008-03-08 Thread Marty
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I have a couple of new-to-me old computers. They've been well used in what looks like a normal office environment and they're a bit grimey inside; not just dust that blows away. I figure that I should clean that off so the dust doesn't act like a thermal

Re: problems after latest etch3 xserver upgrade

2008-01-20 Thread Marty
Upgrade again. It's fixed now. For details eee my post entitled Update: Re: GTK update problems. The fix made into the archives yesterday. Angus Auld wrote: Greetings, I had no apparent problems with the xserver-xorg-core/xnest upgrade from 2:1.1.1-21etch1 2:1.1.1-21etch2, but with the

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

2008-01-20 Thread Marty
tom arnall wrote: i attempted the distr-upgrade and after i rebooted did: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r 2.6.16.4 so i did the distr-upgrade again. following is the session output. '31 not fully installed or removed.' is where it gets interesting: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

2008-01-20 Thread Marty
tom arnall wrote: On Sunday 20 January 2008 11:46, Marty wrote: tom arnall wrote: i attempted the distr-upgrade and after i rebooted did: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r 2.6.16.4 so i did the distr-upgrade again. following is the session output. '31 not fully installed or removed

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

2008-01-20 Thread Marty
tom arnall wrote: Marty, should i be concerned about the following. i did this without pointing sources.list to the new repository. Well, fix that. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade It's a typical cascade of errors caused by the first few individual package

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

2008-01-20 Thread Marty
tom arnall wrote: On Sunday 20 January 2008 12:37, Marty wrote: tom arnall wrote: Marty, should i be concerned about the following. i did this without pointing sources.list to the new repository. Well, fix that. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade It's a typical cascade

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