Re: unstable web browsers
On 24/06/12 18:19, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 24 iun 12, 16:49:43, john gennard wrote: I have eliminated problems with the mouse. Also, I've used a small partition on the drive and installed Win XP and this works perfectly thus eliminating problems with the graphic card. Would it be feasible for you to try the kernel and Xorg from backports? I presume so. I've read the backports web page and it seems simple enough to use. Do you mean recompiling the kernel? Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fe81851.4000...@btinternet.com
Re: unstable web browsers
On 25/06/12 16:09, Lisi wrote: On Monday 25 June 2012 11:36:06 Andrei POPESCU wrote: For single packages it is very easy, just apt-get install -t squeeze-backportspackage Andrei - John will need to add backports to his sources.list, surely. Or has he already done so, and I have been asleep? Lisi Yes, I had already done that. Thanks. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fe88def.1070...@btinternet.com
Re: unstable web browsers
On 25/06/12 11:36, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 25 iun 12, 08:50:41, john gennard wrote: On 24/06/12 18:19, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 24 iun 12, 16:49:43, john gennard wrote: I have eliminated problems with the mouse. Also, I've used a small partition on the drive and installed Win XP and this works perfectly thus eliminating problems with the graphic card. Would it be feasible for you to try the kernel and Xorg from backports? I presume so. I've read the backports web page and it seems simple enough to use. For single packages it is very easy, just apt-get install -t squeeze-backportspackage but I don't know exactly which package to pull for Xorg. I would try xserver-xorg-video-radeon and hope it will pull anything else needed with it ;) Hm! I've tried that, but it seems I shall have to upgrade my kernel. The error message is:- This version of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is linked against a newer libdrm-nouveau which breaks the ABI and is not compatible with kernel = 2.6.33. You need to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.34 -rcl or newer. Sven Joachim Do you mean recompiling the kernel? No, there is a 3.2 kernel on backports (it has bpo in it's name). Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fe890d4.4080...@btinternet.com
Re: unstable web browsers
On 12/06/12 16:45, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 12 iun 12, 11:57:13, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you still can't get it to work send the file to me directly and I'll quote the relevant parts (or upload it all to the paste). John sent it to me directly, but I can't spot anything wrong so I uploaded it to the paste: http://paste.debian.net/174133/ Kind regards, Andrei I have still not been able to get rid of this problem, and think I should try to reconfigure Xorg. As I understand, the commandline as changed between Debian 5.0 and 6.05 - could some please let me know the correct reconfigure instruction for 6.05. I have eliminated problems with the mouse. Also, I've used a small partition on the drive and installed Win XP and this works perfectly thus eliminating problems with the graphic card. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fe73717.9000...@btinternet.com
Re: unstable web browsers
On 11/06/12 18:35, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 17:05 +0100, john gennard wrote: On 11/06/12 16:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Hmm, I would have expected at least a mention of loading the firmware. Could you please upload your dmesg to paste.debian.net? Not sure what you want me to do, I'm attaching 'dmesg' here. Hope that's OK. No its not, can't get the attachment to be sent. What do I do now, please. At http://paste.debian.net/ you can upload what you can't attach to your email. You don't need to subscribe. For example: http://paste.debian.net/173969/ [1] Hth, Ralf [1] It looks like this and there are some options: Posting 173969 from Ralf posted at 2012-06-11 19:31:05 expires: 2012-06-14 19:31:05 1 http://paste.debian.net/ 2 3 Test ;) Show as text | Download | Without linenumbers | Paste new | Paste as new Information about your entry To link to your entry use: paste.debian.net/173969 To download your entry use: paste.debian.net/download/173969 To see your entry as plain text use: paste.debian.net/plain/173969 To delete your entry use: paste.debian.net/delete/142ff0f39bbb1a3e13804cbb71742c119d74979e I'm having trouble using the above link. The attempts all finish with the following error in Icedove:- 'problem occurred while loading the URL' 'url cannot be shown' Why is this? John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd6fbf0.8000...@btinternet.com
Re: unstable web browsers
On 10/06/12 18:07, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 10 iun 12, 17:13:10, john gennard wrote: Any suggestions, but remember I'm getting towards the gaga stage, so in simple English please. Please (in this order): - make sure you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed 'firmware-linux-nonfree' was not installed. I have now done so, but it does not seem to make any difference. - attach the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log Attached - but it is rather a large file.Andrei Regards, John. X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 3.0.0-1-amd64 x86_64 Debian Current Operating System: Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=264e65e4-fada-4767-9093-593417ab95f7 ro quiet Build Date: 29 October 2011 06:58:14PM xorg-server 2:1.7.7-14 (Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org) Current version of pixman: 0.16.4 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Mon Jun 11 08:44:42 2012 (==) Using system config directory /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. (==) No screen section available. Using defaults. (**) |--Screen Default Screen Section (0) (**) | |--Monitor default monitor (==) No monitor specified for screen Default Screen Section. Using a default monitor configuration. (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (==) FontPath set to: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, built-ins (==) ModulePath set to /usr/lib/xorg/modules (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices. (II) Loader magic: 0x7c8a40 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 6.0 X.Org XInput driver : 7.0 X.Org Server Extension : 2.0 (++) using VT number 7 (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 1002:68f9:: ATI Technologies Inc Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450] rev 0, Mem @ 0xc000/268435456, 0xfe62/131072, I/O @ 0xe000/256, BIOS @ 0x/131072 (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket) (II) LoadModule: extmod (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so (II) Module extmod: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension SELinux (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: dbe (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so (II) Module dbe: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: glx (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (==) AIGLX enabled (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: record (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so (II) Module record: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: dri (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so (II) Module dri: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: dri2 (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so (II) Module dri2: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DRI2 (==) Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 0 (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 1 (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 2 (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout (II) LoadModule: ati (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so (II) Module ati: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 6.13.1 Module class: X.Org Video
Re: unstable web browsers
On 11/06/12 12:35, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 11 iun 12, 09:17:25, john gennard wrote:
'firmware-linux-nonfree' was not installed. I have now done so,
but it does not seem to make any difference.
Forgot to mention, but did you restart your computer after doing so?
Yes, I did.
- attach the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log
Attached - but it is rather a large file.
Yes, but it's much easier to comment on (portions of) it ;)
(WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled
This may be your problem, but it might be due to missing firmware. If
you did reboot after installing firmware-linux-nonfree and that message
is still present ('grep disabled /var/log/Xorg.0.log') then the problem
might be at a lower level. The following command may provide more info
dmesg | grep -i '\(firmware\|radeon\|kms\)'
root@debian:/# grep disabled /var/log/Xorg.0.log
(II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: disabled
(II) RADEON(0): GPU accel disabled or not working, using shadowfb for KMS
(==) RADEON(0): Backing store disabled
(WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled
(II) RADEON(0): Acceleration disabled
(II) RADEON(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled
message.
(--) RandR disabled
root@debian:/# dmesg | grep -i '\(firmware\|radeon\|kms\)'
[5.415560] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
[5.415665] radeon :01:00.0: PCI INT A - GSI 16 (level, low) -
IRQ 16
[5.415669] radeon :01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[5.416870] [drm] radeon: Initializing kernel modesetting.
[5.417168] [drm] radeon: 256M of VRAM memory ready
[5.417169] [drm] radeon: 512M of GTT memory ready.
[5.418370] [drm] Radeon Display Connectors
[5.573365] fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device
[5.573370] [drm] Initialized radeon 2.0.0 20080528 for :01:00.0
on minor 0
Regards,
John.
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Re: unstable web browsers
On 11/06/12 16:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 11 iun 12, 14:42:24, john gennard wrote: root@debian:/# dmesg | grep -i '\(firmware\|radeon\|kms\)' [5.415560] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled. [5.415665] radeon :01:00.0: PCI INT A - GSI 16 (level, low) - IRQ 16 [5.415669] radeon :01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 [5.416870] [drm] radeon: Initializing kernel modesetting. [5.417168] [drm] radeon: 256M of VRAM memory ready [5.417169] [drm] radeon: 512M of GTT memory ready. [5.418370] [drm] Radeon Display Connectors [5.573365] fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device [5.573370] [drm] Initialized radeon 2.0.0 20080528 for :01:00.0 on minor 0 Hmm, I would have expected at least a mention of loading the firmware. Could you please upload your dmesg to paste.debian.net? Not sure what you want me to do, I'm attaching 'dmesg' here. Hope that's OK. No its not, can't get the attachment to be sent. What do I do now, please. Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd6172e.7090...@btinternet.com
unstable web browsers
I think my Xorg configuration requires some adjustment. Whenever I go into a web browser, the picture jumps about when I use the mouse before settling down again. I'm using Debian 6.05 with a basic graphic card - a ATI Radeon HD 5480. I've read up on the Xorg set up, but there's no config file that I can see, and so I don't know what set up the original installation set for the graphics. Frankly, I'm somewhat confused by the changes to the Xorg set up. This is an unfortunate annoyance - I keep meaning to get it sort out, but it doesn't stop me from doing things. Any suggestions, but remember I'm getting towards the gaga stage, so in simple English please. Regards. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd4c796.2000...@btinternet.com
Re: alsa
On 05/06/12 06:15, Raffaele Morelli wrote: 2012/6/4 john gennard joney1...@btinternet.com mailto:joney1...@btinternet.com On 04/06/12 18:13, Raffaele Morelli wrote: my bet: 99.9% alsa vs pulseaudio You'll have to explain that. I don't understand. I think you have pulseaudio starting at boot. Post the output of `ps ax|grep pulse`. Try `service pulseaudio stop` and then `service alsa-utils start`, alsa should load with no errors. -r root@debian:/# ps ax|grep pulse 2620 pts/2S+ 0:00 grep pulse root@debian:/# service pulseaudio stop pulseaudio: unrecognized service root@debian:/# service alsa-utils start Setting up ALSA...amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument
Re: alsa
On 05/06/12 10:22, Raffaele Morelli wrote: 2012/6/5 john gennard joney1...@btinternet.com mailto:joney1...@btinternet.com root@debian:/# ps ax|grep pulse 2620 pts/2S+ 0:00 grep pulse root@debian:/# service pulseaudio stop pulseaudio: unrecognized service root@debian:/# service alsa-utils start Setting up ALSA...amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument so no pulseaudio around. post the output of `aplay -l` and `cat /proc/asound/cards` root@debian:/# aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC887 Analog [ALC887 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC887 Digital [ALC887 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 root@debian:/# cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [PCH]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH HDA Intel PCH at 0xfe70 irq 22 1 [Generic]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic HD-Audio Generic at 0xfe64 irq 17 -- /L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale. (V. Evangelisti) /
Re: alsa
On 05/06/12 12:53, Mika Suomalainen wrote: On 04.06.2012 19:27, john gennard wrote: /I have Debian 6.05 installed, but on bootup alsa fails. Realtek ALC887 8 channel High Definition Audio Codec is incorporated on the Motherboard and works since I can play CDs using Sound Juicer. I've 'stumbled around' looking for an answer, but am unable to find one. I'm over 81, have been ill for some time and don't know much about Alsa either. Does anyone have any suggestions. please. John. / Could you tell how ALSA fails? Do you see some kind of error message? PS. Please don't use HTML, see http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct . Please see emails with Raffaele Morelli for error messages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fce0129.6000...@btinternet.com
Re: alsa
On 05/06/12 14:21, Raffaele Morelli wrote: 2012/6/5 john gennard joney1...@btinternet.com mailto:joney1...@btinternet.com On 05/06/12 10:22, Raffaele Morelli wrote: 2012/6/5 john gennard joney1...@btinternet.com mailto:joney1...@btinternet.com root@debian:/# ps ax|grep pulse 2620 pts/2S+ 0:00 grep pulse root@debian:/# service pulseaudio stop pulseaudio: unrecognized service root@debian:/# service alsa-utils start Setting up ALSA...amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument so no pulseaudio around. post the output of `aplay -l` and `cat /proc/asound/cards` root@debian:/# aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC887 Analog [ALC887 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC887 Digital [ALC887 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 root@debian:/# cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [PCH]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH HDA Intel PCH at 0xfe70 irq 22 1 [Generic]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic HD-Audio Generic at 0xfe64 irq 17 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf add this line options snd-hda-intel model=generic reboot linux, if alsa starts without errors use alsamixer to ensure all volumes are correctly set 0% -r Thank you very much. That cures the problem. I would not have been able to work out that it was due to the motherboard having a non supported chip. I am most grateful to you for taking the time to sort things out. Kind regards, John. -- /L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale. (V. Evangelisti) /
alsa
/I have Debian 6.05 installed, but on bootup alsa fails. Realtek ALC887 8 channel High Definition Audio Codec is incorporated on the Motherboard and works since I can play CDs using Sound Juicer. I've 'stumbled around' looking for an answer, but am unable to find one. I'm over 81, have been ill for some time and don't know much about Alsa either. Does anyone have any suggestions. please. John. /
Re: alsa
On 04/06/12 18:03, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:27:25 +0100, john gennard wrote: (please, avoid sending html formatted posts) I wasn't aware that I did. Must be this email package - I can't send emails from Mutt due to a problem with smtp. I've tried to fix it. /I have Debian 6.05 installed, but on bootup alsa fails. In what way fails? What's the printed error? It will provide more info about the source of the problem. In the booting, this message appears about twenty times. Setting up ALSA ... amixer: Mixer Hw;0 load error Invalid Argument Realtek ALC887 8 channel High Definition Audio Codec is incorporated on the Motherboard and works since I can play CDs using Sound Juicer. (...) So, what is that fails? If you can hear sound coming from your speakers, all seems to be good :-? Greetings, Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fcd1a4a.6010...@btinternet.com
Re: alsa
On 04/06/12 18:13, Raffaele Morelli wrote: 2012/6/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com mailto:noela...@gmail.com On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:27:25 +0100, john gennard wrote: (please, avoid sending html formatted posts) /I have Debian 6.05 installed, but on bootup alsa fails. In what way fails? What's the printed error? It will provide more info about the source of the problem. Realtek ALC887 8 channel High Definition Audio Codec is incorporated on the Motherboard and works since I can play CDs using Sound Juicer. (...) So, what is that fails? If you can hear sound coming from your speakers, all seems to be good :-? my bet: 99.9% alsa vs pulseaudio You'll have to explain that. I don't understand. -r regards Regards, John. -- /L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla protesta violenta e viscerale. (V. Evangelisti) /
evolution mail
Is there a way to delete evolution without deleting gnome. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1335355468.1905.7.ca...@debian.btinternet.com
Re: evolution mail
On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 14:11 +0200, Alberto Luaces wrote: John Gennard writes: Is there a way to delete evolution without deleting gnome. There is a specific article on this very subject: http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package -- Alberto Many thanks. It will take me some time to work through everything. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1335356403.1905.10.ca...@debian.btinternet.com
mutt - no incoming mailboxes defined
I've been using Debian since Slink days, but I'm now 81 and had a stroke some 30 months ago which has done severe damage to my brain. Have just built a new box and put Debian 6.04 on it. There are a number of problems with the installation and I'm working through them one at a time. I'm unable to get my email working and this is confusing me greatly. I use getmail (this is OK), nullmailer (which should be fine) and Mutt which is the headache.. I've used this combination on all previous editions without too much trouble, but now I'm 'lost' - I can't find my original notes from Potato days - presumably I arrogantly thought I wouldn't need - how wrong can one get!!! Would someone kindly explain what Mutt does when it launches, and give the .muttrc entries for mbox, maildir (which I use), and how Mail fits in. I run from my user John's home directory. Sorry to ask such a simple question, but it's so frustrating to be in this state. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f63633b.4050...@btinternet.com
Re: mutt - no incoming mailboxes defined
On 16/03/2012 17:06, Camaleón wrote: Would someone kindly explain what Mutt does when it launches, If you run Mutt with debug flag you will get more information: mutt -d2 And then: cat .muttdebug0 (don't send this log file to any public source because it can contain sensitive data, is just for your review) and give the .muttrc entries for mbox, maildir (which I use), and how Mail fits in. I run from my user John's home directory. Are you using a local mailbox or a pop3/imap local account? I have two POP3 accounts one with Btinternet and the other with Claranet. There's a nice guide here: My first mutt / Mail storage http://mutt.blackfish.org.uk/storage/ I need time to study your email - will get back to you when I've done. Meantime, my thanks for your help. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f639130.60...@btinternet.com
scripting
I'm trying to understand Debian's startup procedure and follow the relevant scripts. Where can I find a tutorial on scripting? For example, /etc/init.d/rc - I can roughly understand what is happening (the comments often indicate the way), but the finer points are obscure. I've found a tutorial written in 2000 and a number of other things which appear to relate to bash scripting, but none show many of the words used in /etc/init.d/rc. Does each Distro create it's own words? I realise I shall not become expert, but that's no reason not to try to reach a certain level. Can someone indicate the way to a 'beginners guide/tutorial'? A direct reply would be appreciated - I've been subscribed to the list for ten years, but have recently been forced to unsubscribe (over 100 OT posts per day has become too much for me to deal with on dial-up). John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DCOP problem after Etch with Kde upgrade
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 08:56:44 +, john gennard wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] [] No, we didn't talk of this. However, I did look at the permissions but clearly not carefully enough (old age is no excuse - I must concentrate more!). Now, looking again, I find a difference between what shows up for the box that has the problem and two other installs which do not:- drwxrwxrwt 6 root root 4096 2007-02-20 07:55 /tmp Broken Box drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 2007-02-20 08:00 /tmp Working Box drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 2007-02-20 08:11 /tmp Laptop Trying to jog my memory, I think that means a hard link is missing. If that's correct I need to find which is missing and create it. /tmp does not need to have the same number of hard links on each system; it depends on how many programs/services create files and directories in /tmp. I think all should be the same. When I'm upgrading Debian by new installs, I don't select packages, I just let the default selection go in. All my hardware is the same (but different speeds, manufacturers etc), and the same CD as media. After installs when all works well, I cull packages I don't need and install my own 'peculiarities' (e.g. I use getmail, nullmailer and mutt for Mail). I've looked for 'missing' packages by printing out 'dpkg -l' on three boxes - all are identical down to versions. What you see is possibly a symptom of the failure to start the DCOP server, but most likely not its cause. I was worried about the write permissions for other in /tmp, but that seems to be OK. All the dcop packages on the working boxes are in the problem one, dcop is not asked to start and despite blundering around I've been unable to discover from where and how that message should originate. I would propose that you re-post your question on debian-kde. A number of people with in-depth knowledge of the KDE internals read this list. Make sure, however, that you have a subject line which has all the relevant keywords and the error message to attract the attention of the these people. I've just subscribed to debian-kde and will refer the problem to them as you suggest. I did ask on kde-linux; I got replies but none helped. Frankly, before getting this email, I had decided to get the latest CD1-Kde and reinstall from that. Now, I'll wait until I get replies from debian-kde - I have plenty of time to see if a solution can be found - anyhow, I'm getting 'bloody-minded' and would like to know why what works on one box does not on other 'identical' ones. Florian, you've spent a lot of time helping me. I think you've done quite enough. If I do get a resolution, I'll let you know how it was achieved. My gratitude to you for putting up with an old duffer, Sincere regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DCOP problem after Etch with Kde upgrade
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 08:50:46 +, john gennard wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] The DCOP server itself is responsible for creating the file that is mentioned in your error message (as far as I know). Something fundamental seems to be wrong with your KDE. With Etch being frozen I would not expect that a dist-upgrade can make a difference, but I would try it nevertheless. You might simply have an inconsistent combination of KDE packages right now, with some old packages still hanging around. (Upgrading at the wrong moment could also cause a situation like this; in such a case another upgrade at a later time might be enough to fix everything.) I can't see any old Kde packages hanging around. A dist-upgrade has been run (another 30 Mb just covering two days, most accounted for by Kde packages!) - as you expected it has made no significant difference although there is a slight change in the behaviour of the 'frozen' Kde blue screen. Also, in the Xorg log file there is an error message:- (EE) AIGLX: screen 0 is not DRI capable (I missed this earlier). I am pretty sure that this does not cause the DCOP problem. Now, I intend to upgrade another box to see what happens and also to ask on the Kde list in case others have seen this difficulty. I kind of lost track of this thread; did we already talk about the permissions of the /tmp directory? They should be like this: $ ls -ld /tmp drwxrwxrwt 16 root root 8192 2007-02-19 18:49 /tmp No, we didn't talk of this. However, I did look at the permissions but clearly not carefully enough (old age is no excuse - I must concentrate more!). Now, looking again, I find a difference between what shows up for the box that has the problem and two other installs which do not:- drwxrwxrwt 6 root root 4096 2007-02-20 07:55 /tmp Broken Box drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 2007-02-20 08:00 /tmp Working Box drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 2007-02-20 08:11 /tmp Laptop Trying to jog my memory, I think that means a hard link is missing. If that's correct I need to find which is missing and create it. Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 15:30:51 +, john gennard wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] There is one more quick thing that you can try: Go to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ [snip] I've done that now. The 'auto' search didn't work, but I was able to find in the database all the working drivers for a T20. The S3 Savage card works with the 'savagefb' driver. However, I'll leave this for the time being as I now have a fully working install of Etch with Kde. Just to make sure that you will not waste time later on: The savagefb driver is a framebuffer driver which has nothing to do with X. It can be used instead of the generic vesafb for the tty (non-X console) displays. You probably have already seen Chris Bannister's recent post in this thread; try the s3 and the s3virge driver that he suggests in your xorg.conf. (You need the packages xserver-xorg-video-s3 and xserver-xorg-video-s3virge to have them available. Maybe these packages were missing in your first install and that caused the problem with X.) Thanks for this information and advice. I've seen Chris Bannister's post, so thanks to him also. As the last install (with the savage driver) gives me a good result; better than the one with the vesa driver, I've decided to leave well alone for the time being - should anything go wrong later, I think all the advice I've received should enable me to sort things out provided any new proble is in the same area. With gratitude for the help, Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DCOP problem after Etch with Kde upgrade
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 16:03:37 +, john gennard wrote: About a week ago I obtained the latest Etch (Kde version) from Debian.org and installed it without any problems. Yesterday I updated and upgraded the installation - took many hours on a dialup connection (60 Mb, 58 packages, mainly Kde - no packages were deleted). There were no problems reported with the upgrading. At the next boot, the Kde Desktop starts to come up and then stops with the following error message:- There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned by the system was:- Could not read network connection list /home/john/.DCOPserverleary_clara.co.uk__0. Please check that the dcopserver program is running. I don't understand DCOP, but have ascertained there is no .DCOPsever file in /home/john as there is on two other boxes running Etch (these need upgrading, but I'm hesitant to do so as I feel this problem can be due only to the upgrade). How is the file created and how do I find out if the DCOPserver is running? The DCOP server should be started directly by kdeinit; DCOP is the communication protocol of the various KDE components and programs (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dcop). If KDE is running you should see something like this: $ ps -ef | grep [d]cop florian 18725 1 0 19:10 ?00:00:00 dcopserver [kdeinit] --nosid (This command does not help you at the moment since your KDE does not start up at all if I understand you correctly.) You understand me correctly. Yes the command does not produce any output on this box. It does of course on three other boxes running Etch (however none has been upgraded) The DCOP server itself is responsible for creating the file that is mentioned in your error message (as far as I know). Something fundamental seems to be wrong with your KDE. With Etch being frozen I would not expect that a dist-upgrade can make a difference, but I would try it nevertheless. You might simply have an inconsistent combination of KDE packages right now, with some old packages still hanging around. (Upgrading at the wrong moment could also cause a situation like this; in such a case another upgrade at a later time might be enough to fix everything.) I can't see any old Kde packages hanging around. A dist-upgrade has been run (another 30 Mb just covering two days, most accounted for by Kde packages!) - as you expected it has made no significant difference although there is a slight change in the behaviour of the 'frozen' Kde blue screen. Also, in the Xorg log file there is an error message:- (EE) AIGLX: screen 0 is not DRI capable (I missed this earlier). Now, I intend to upgrade another box to see what happens and also to ask on the Kde list in case others have seen this difficulty. Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 09:13:16 +, john gennard wrote: [...] This morning, I reconfigured X using the 'vesa' driver and you were perfectly right in your supposition. It now boots directly into Gnome (some tweaking will be necessary - the display is not very good due no doubt to some of the choices I made). I shall revert to Kde later (at present, I have to deal with another problem - the major upgrade to Etch on my main box has broken Kde). There is one more quick thing that you can try: Go to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and copy/paste your lspci -n output into the form. You will get a list of known drivers for your hardware. Maybe you have to choose a different driver to get best performance. I've done that now. The 'auto' search didn't work, but I was able to find in the database all the working drivers for a T20. The S3 Savage card works with the 'savagefb' driver. However, I'll leave this for the time being as I now have a fully working install of Etch with Kde. Last night I deleted Etch with Gnome, formatted the partition and put the Etch with Kde CD in the drive and was asked to do nothing except decline the DHCP configuration - up came a flawless Kde desktop (of course, I still have the Trackpoint stuff showing as errors in Xorg.conf - but that has no effect). I don't know why things went flawlessly this time! However, it possible that your card is too new and that you have to wait for the next version of Xorg to have it fully supported. No, I don't think so - I believe the T20 may have been used by Moses when he was a boy. Once again, many thanks for all the time and effort. I bought the T20 secondhand for a one time purpose and have kept it on. I am now without my wireless connection and so can take it to a local Library where there is a free wireless hot-spot (limited to one hour usage per day) or to an Internet Cafe if I need to make very large downloads. Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 22:23:53 +, john gennard wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] Normally when X is started during boot by [xkg]dm and it fails then you are just returned to the command prompt. If your box locks up completely then there might be something really wrong with the graphics driver or something is seriously wrong elsewhere. What is the last message that you see before your system locks up? I can't tell you that now. Earlier today I deleted Etch with Kde and replaced it with Etch having Gnome just to see what would happen. The result is the same, the box locks up and the logged error messages are identical, but I cannot see the last booting message for it's too quick and the screen immediately blanks out. As a quick test you can boot into single user mode and remove the runlevel 2 startup symlinks for the graphical log-in. This command will list the relevant links: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S???dm (There might be up to three links, for xdm, kdm, and gdm, respectively, but if you installed the Gnome desktop task then you will probably only have the gdm one.) After you remove these symlinks X will no longer be started automatically during boot. (Make a note of the links so that you can restore them later on.) If the system comes up normally without X then you can log in as your normal user and run startx manually. This should make it clear if X is to blame for the lockup or not. I bought this old laptop as it had XP installed and I had received a large amount of research data created by using Excel - it's still in the first partition. I'll have a look tomorrow to see what Graphics driver Windows used and get back to you. I don't think that the windows driver will tell us much. (The lspci information that you posted earlier is enough to identify the card, but we need someone who knows if this specific model has known issues with the xorg driver.) Sorry, I was so tired last night and I can't now understand why I mentioned the window's driver. This morning, I reconfigured X using the 'vesa' driver and you were perfectly right in your supposition. It now boots directly into Gnome (some tweaking will be necessary - the display is not very good due no doubt to some of the choices I made). I shall revert to Kde later (at present, I have to deal with another problem - the major upgrade to Etch on my main box has broken Kde). Many thanks, Florian, for all your help. Getting the problem solved is very satisfying but equally valuable has been the three detailed commands you provided taking me into areas where I've not ventured before. Best wishes, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DCOP problem after Etch with Kde upgrade
About a week ago I obtained the latest Etch (Kde version) from Debian.org and installed it without any problems. Yesterday I updated and upgraded the installation - took many hours on a dialup connection (60 Mb, 58 packages, mainly Kde - no packages were deleted). There were no problems reported with the upgrading. At the next boot, the Kde Desktop starts to come up and then stops with the following error message:- There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned by the system was:- Could not read network connection list /home/john/.DCOPserverleary_clara.co.uk__0. Please check that the dcopserver program is running. I don't understand DCOP, but have ascertained there is no .DCOPsever file in /home/john as there is on two other boxes running Etch (these need upgrading, but I'm hesitant to do so as I feel this problem can be due only to the upgrade). How is the file created and how do I find out if the DCOPserver is running? Assistance will be appreciated. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 14:02:20 +, john gennard wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 20:24:54 +, john gennard wrote: I have an IBM T20 Laptop and want to put on it Etch (Kernel 2.6.18-3) with Kde. The installation without GUI is fine, but Kde will not launch. Error messages in /var/log/kdm.log indicate that the installer assumed the laptop has a Synaptics Touchpad and this cannot be detected. /proc/bus/input/devices show that the device is in fact a 'TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint' Googlings for the Trackpoint show a confusing picture which I don't understand. [...] There should be more info in the Xorg log. If you can switch to a terminal after a failed KDM startup, you can run egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log to get a list of all errors and warnings. Post this output here and we (hopefully) will know what is wrong. The output of the above command is:- [ snip: font directory warnings ] (EE) No devices detected. I had already looked at the xorg.log file, but I was looking only for errors and not warnings. The font directory warnings should be harmless. The fact that there is no other warning or error message before it fails with No devices detected suggests to me that you have some very basic misconfiguration or driver problem. What is your graphics card? Please find the relevant lines in the output of lspci and post them here (lines mentioning VGA, graphic(s) or display). The only reference to VGA etc is:- 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11) We also need more information about your xorg.conf. The output of the following command should be a good start: awk '/Section (Input)?Device/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf - Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRulesxorg Option XkbModelpc105 Option XkbLayout gb EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device /dev/input/mice Option ProtocolImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection #Section InputDevice # Identifier Synaptics Touchpad # Driver synaptics # Option SendCoreEvents true # Option Device /dev/psaux # Option Protocolauto-dev # Option HorizScrollDelta0 #EndSection Section Device Identifier S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV Driver savage BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection When trying to solve this problem myself, I 'disabled' the Trackpoint in Bios (it was by default set at 'auto disable' which I understand means it becomes disabled if an external mouse is attached), and commented out the 'Input Device' section in xorg.conf. This changed things and I went direct to a prompt, but an error message had been recorded indicating that the relevant entry in 'ServerLayout' also needed commenting out - this I did and the error message 'No devices detected' came up. As I said, I can now use a non-GUI installation by booting into 'single user mode' - trying a normal boot freezes everything. Thanks for your interest, Florian. Sorry for the delay - at the moment I have only a dial up connection and I've been upgrading Etch on two boxes (seems every Kde package had to upgraded, and that took almost 10 hours. Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:06:12 +, john gennard wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] What is your graphics card? Please find the relevant lines in the output of lspci and post them here (lines mentioning VGA, graphic(s) or display). The only reference to VGA etc is:- 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11) We also need more information about your xorg.conf. The output of the following command should be a good start: awk '/Section (Input)?Device/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf - Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRulesxorg Option XkbModelpc105 Option XkbLayout gb EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device /dev/input/mice Option ProtocolImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection #Section InputDevice # Identifier Synaptics Touchpad # Driver synaptics # Option SendCoreEvents true # Option Device /dev/psaux # Option Protocolauto-dev # Option HorizScrollDelta0 #EndSection Section Device Identifier S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV Driver savage BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection There might be a problem with the savage driver and your card. SuperSavage/IX is mentioned as supported in man savage, but I cannot find your type number. Maybe somebody else knows more about this specific card. You could try to use the vesa driver instead, to see if it works at all. (This driver is very basic and will not offer hardware acceleration.) When trying to solve this problem myself, I 'disabled' the Trackpoint in Bios (it was by default set at 'auto disable' which I understand means it becomes disabled if an external mouse is attached), and commented out the 'Input Device' section in xorg.conf. This changed things and I went direct to a prompt, but an error message had been recorded indicating that the relevant entry in 'ServerLayout' also needed commenting out - this I did and the error message 'No devices detected' came up. As I said, I can now use a non-GUI installation by booting into 'single user mode' - trying a normal boot freezes everything. Normally when X is started during boot by [xkg]dm and it fails then you are just returned to the command prompt. If your box locks up completely then there might be something really wrong with the graphics driver or something is seriously wrong elsewhere. What is the last message that you see before your system locks up? I can't tell you that now. Earlier today I deleted Etch with Kde and replaced it with Etch having Gnome just to see what would happen. The result is the same, the box locks up and the logged error messages are identical, but I cannot see the last booting message for it's too quick and the screen immediately blanks out. I bought this old laptop as it had XP installed and I had received a large amount of research data created by using Excel - it's still in the first partition. I'll have a look tomorrow to see what Graphics driver Windows used and get back to you. Again, thanks. Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20: no screens in X
Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:- [This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], john gennard wrote: I have an IBM T20 Laptop and want to put on it Etch (Kernel 2.6.18-3) with Kde. The installation without GUI is fine, but Kde will not launch. Error messages in /var/log/kdm.log indicate that the installer assumed the laptop has a Synaptics Touchpad and this cannot be detected. /proc/bus/input/devices show that the device is in fact a 'TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint' Googlings for the Trackpoint show a confusing picture which I don't understand. However, as I have considerable arthritis in the hands and fingers, I have been using an external PS/2 mouse, so I can do without the 'fiddly' Trackpoint. I commented out references to Synaptics Touchpad in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but Kde still does not launch and the error messages )in Kdm.log) now say:- (EE) No devices detected Fatal Server error: no screens found. At the moment, to get into Etch, I have to boot into single user mode, otherwise the Laptop locks solid. I had a similar problem. It turned out my system was missing packages hal and udev. X.org wants to use keyboard and mouse via hardware abstraction layer, but the dependency was missing. Cameron Both 'hal' and 'udev' packages are fully installed. John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Etch with GUI on T20
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 20:24:54 +, john gennard wrote: I have an IBM T20 Laptop and want to put on it Etch (Kernel 2.6.18-3) with Kde. The installation without GUI is fine, but Kde will not launch. Error messages in /var/log/kdm.log indicate that the installer assumed the laptop has a Synaptics Touchpad and this cannot be detected. /proc/bus/input/devices show that the device is in fact a 'TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint' Googlings for the Trackpoint show a confusing picture which I don't understand. However, as I have considerable arthritis in the hands and fingers, I have been using an external PS/2 mouse, so I can do without the 'fiddly' Trackpoint. I commented out references to Synaptics Touchpad in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but Kde still does not launch and the error messages )in Kdm.log) now say:- (EE) No devices detected Fatal Server error: no screens found. At the moment, to get into Etch, I have to boot into single user mode, otherwise the Laptop locks solid. I haven't yet tried to run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' as without a Manual I may not have enough info to answer some of the questions posed. Is what I am trying to do feasible? Can the trackpoint be brought into play? Any suggestions regarding a way forward would be apprciated (a more modern laptop is out unless I win the lottery!) There should be more info in the Xorg log. If you can switch to a terminal after a failed KDM startup, you can run egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log to get a list of all errors and warnings. Post this output here and we (hopefully) will know what is wrong. The output of the above command is:- (WW) The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist. (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist. (WW) The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic does not exist. (WW) The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ does not exist. (WW) The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ does not exist. (WW) The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 does not exist. (WW) The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi does not exist. (WW) The directory /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi does not exist. (WW) The directory /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType does not exist. (EE) No devices detected. I had already looked at the xorg.log file, but I was looking only for errors and not warnings. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing Etch with GUI on T20
I have an IBM T20 Laptop and want to put on it Etch (Kernel 2.6.18-3) with Kde. The installation without GUI is fine, but Kde will not launch. Error messages in /var/log/kdm.log indicate that the installer assumed the laptop has a Synaptics Touchpad and this cannot be detected. /proc/bus/input/devices show that the device is in fact a 'TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint' Googlings for the Trackpoint show a confusing picture which I don't understand. However, as I have considerable arthritis in the hands and fingers, I have been using an external PS/2 mouse, so I can do without the 'fiddly' Trackpoint. I commented out references to Synaptics Touchpad in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but Kde still does not launch and the error messages )in Kdm.log) now say:- (EE) No devices detected Fatal Server error: no screens found. At the moment, to get into Etch, I have to boot into single user mode, otherwise the Laptop locks solid. I haven't yet tried to run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' as without a Manual I may not have enough info to answer some of the questions posed. Is what I am trying to do feasible? Can the trackpoint be brought into play? Any suggestions regarding a way forward would be apprciated (a more modern laptop is out unless I win the lottery!) Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Detection of Hardware and Devices
Michael Pobega wrote: john gennard wrote: I have a problem getting sound to work in a Sarge install, which is the subject of another thread. Having little technical savvy, I often find things confusing or impossible to comprehend. If possible, I'd like someone to help me here. Sarge gives the problem and Kubuntu (Debian based) works fine. When I run '#lspci' on each I get the following results:- 1. Debian: :80:01:00403 Via Technologies, Inc. : Unknown device 3288 (rev 10) 2. Kubuntu: 80:01:0 Audio Device: Via Technologies, Inc. Via High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10) Alsaconf doesn't 'see' the device in Sarge which could well be my problem. Why, though, does 'lspci' give such differing results - I assume each run gets its information from the same source (the device/chip itself). Furthermore, my Motherboard Manual says the Audio is 'Realtek ALC888 7.1 Channel audio CODEC with High Definition audio'. Have Via used a Realtek chip and 'bundled' it with something of its own? My main aim is to get audio to work without getting a separate card, but I'd like to have some light shed on this confusion (in my simple mind that is!). John. Have you tried Debian Etch? I know Debian Sarge is a bit older and has much worse hardware detection than Etch. When I used Sarge nothing worked for me, but an upgrade to Etch fixed everything. I'm not 100% sure if just changing your sources.list and running # apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade would work though. I'd do a clean reinstall if possible. Michael, I did a new and separate install of the latest CD1 for etch, and not only did it identify the hardware but it configured sound (albeit with very very low volume). I didn't time the install, but it had to be around 15 minutes and only the network config needed any input from me. Thanks for the suggestion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Detection of Hardware and Devices
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:51:23AM +, john gennard wrote: If possible, I'd like someone to help me here. Sarge gives the problem and Kubuntu (Debian based) works fine. Well, Sarge is close to two years old. Kubuntu has also diverged from Debian a great deal and you don't mention which version. When I run '#lspci' on each I get the following results:- 1. Debian: :80:01:00403 Via Technologies, Inc. : Unknown device 3288 (rev 10) Right, the device database in Sarge probably dates to before this device even existed, so it can only identify the manufacturer. 2. Kubuntu: 80:01:0 Audio Device: Via Technologies, Inc. Via High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10) Kubuntu apparently has an updated device list. Alsaconf doesn't 'see' the device in Sarge which could well be my problem. Why, though, does 'lspci' give such differing results - I assume each run gets its information from the same source (the device/chip itself). The information as to the actual identifiers come from the chip. Run 'lspci -vvv' to see them in their full glory. The pretty descriptions come from a database (really a text file or something like that) on disk. Furthermore, my Motherboard Manual says the Audio is 'Realtek ALC888 7.1 Channel audio CODEC with High Definition audio'. Have Via used a Realtek chip and 'bundled' it with something of its own? That sort of thing happens all the time. Manufacturers will rebrand other people's stuff and sell it as their own. In Linux, device drivers are based on chipsets, not on the manufacturer of the whole device. Hence the discrepancy. My main aim is to get audio to work without getting a separate card, but I'd like to have some light shed on this confusion (in my simple mind that is!). Update to Etch and it will probably work. Regards, -Roberto I did install Etch, and it configured alsa automatically. The remainder of your reply clarifies things superbly for me (never thought of 'lspci -vvv'). Strange how, when someone explains matters clearly, I always think 'Ah!, that's obvious, why didn't I realise or work that out!. Many thanks, Roberto. Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Detection of Hardware and Devices
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 14:10:34 +, john gennard wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: [...] Have you tried Debian Etch? I know Debian Sarge is a bit older and has much worse hardware detection than Etch. When I used Sarge nothing worked for me, but an upgrade to Etch fixed everything. I'm not 100% sure if just changing your sources.list and running # apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade would work though. I'd do a clean reinstall if possible. I've got Sarge working without problem on three other boxes, in fact I maintain that Debian is the reason I never significantly increase my technical knowledge - it never freeezes or even breaks down so by the time a new release comes out I've long lost what little knowledge I had acquired. I had intended to go to Etch shortly (and by upgrade). I've plenty of space on this hard disk, so I might as well install Etch from scratch alongside Sarge and see if I get the success you did. If you want a quick way to get an idea about the current kernel and your hardware then you can paste your lspci -n output into the form on this website: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ This will list the drivers which are known to work with your devices. Many thanks. I've installed Etch and have things working now. I'll go back over the problem using your link (just out of general interest!), and retain it for possible future use. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound on Sarge r4 - Realtek ALC888 chip
Bruno Buys wrote: john gennard wrote: I've just made a new install of Sarge's latest release and its updates. I'm very weak with sound. The M/Board has onboard sound (a Realtek ALC888 chip) and I was hoping to use Alsa for the first time. There's virtually nothing on the 'net about this chip and literally nothing that helps me. Does anyone know the driver/s required? I've installed Kubuntu alongside Sarge and it (Kubuntu) automatically provides working sound on install. However, I can't see how it achieves this. The Motherboard incidentally is an Asrock 775Dual-VSTA. John. alsa sees my alc658D from via without problem. Did you try 'alsaconf'? I haven't used Alsa before and haven't found any really helpful write ups. Yes, I have tried alsaconf but it doesn't help - just says 'no Pnp or Pci cards found' and continues to look for legacy etc also without result. If I run 'lspci' (blundering in the dark!), there are lots of 'unknown devices' so the sound chip could be any one. In fact the only two items I recognize are the ethernet controller and the Graphics card. What do you mean when you say your card is seen 'from via'? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Detection of Hardware and Devices
I have a problem getting sound to work in a Sarge install, which is the subject of another thread. Having little technical savvy, I often find things confusing or impossible to comprehend. If possible, I'd like someone to help me here. Sarge gives the problem and Kubuntu (Debian based) works fine. When I run '#lspci' on each I get the following results:- 1. Debian: :80:01:00403 Via Technologies, Inc. : Unknown device 3288 (rev 10) 2. Kubuntu: 80:01:0 Audio Device: Via Technologies, Inc. Via High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10) Alsaconf doesn't 'see' the device in Sarge which could well be my problem. Why, though, does 'lspci' give such differing results - I assume each run gets its information from the same source (the device/chip itself). Furthermore, my Motherboard Manual says the Audio is 'Realtek ALC888 7.1 Channel audio CODEC with High Definition audio'. Have Via used a Realtek chip and 'bundled' it with something of its own? My main aim is to get audio to work without getting a separate card, but I'd like to have some light shed on this confusion (in my simple mind that is!). John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Detection of Hardware and Devices
Michael Pobega wrote: john gennard wrote: I have a problem getting sound to work in a Sarge install, which is the subject of another thread. Having little technical savvy, I often find things confusing or impossible to comprehend. If possible, I'd like someone to help me here. Sarge gives the problem and Kubuntu (Debian based) works fine. When I run '#lspci' on each I get the following results:- 1. Debian: :80:01:00403 Via Technologies, Inc. : Unknown device 3288 (rev 10) 2. Kubuntu: 80:01:0 Audio Device: Via Technologies, Inc. Via High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10) Alsaconf doesn't 'see' the device in Sarge which could well be my problem. Why, though, does 'lspci' give such differing results - I assume each run gets its information from the same source (the device/chip itself). Furthermore, my Motherboard Manual says the Audio is 'Realtek ALC888 7.1 Channel audio CODEC with High Definition audio'. Have Via used a Realtek chip and 'bundled' it with something of its own? My main aim is to get audio to work without getting a separate card, but I'd like to have some light shed on this confusion (in my simple mind that is!). John. Have you tried Debian Etch? I know Debian Sarge is a bit older and has much worse hardware detection than Etch. When I used Sarge nothing worked for me, but an upgrade to Etch fixed everything. I'm not 100% sure if just changing your sources.list and running # apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade would work though. I'd do a clean reinstall if possible. I've got Sarge working without problem on three other boxes, in fact I maintain that Debian is the reason I never significantly increase my technical knowledge - it never freeezes or even breaks down so by the time a new release comes out I've long lost what little knowledge I had acquired. I had intended to go to Etch shortly (and by upgrade). I've plenty of space on this hard disk, so I might as well install Etch from scratch alongside Sarge and see if I get the success you did. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sound on Sarge r4 - Realtek ALC888 chip
I've just made a new install of Sarge's latest release and its updates. I'm very weak with sound. The M/Board has onboard sound (a Realtek ALC888 chip) and I was hoping to use Alsa for the first time. There's virtually nothing on the 'net about this chip and literally nothing that helps me. Does anyone know the driver/s required? I've installed Kubuntu alongside Sarge and it (Kubuntu) automatically provides working sound on install. However, I can't see how it achieves this. The Motherboard incidentally is an Asrock 775Dual-VSTA. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound on M/board
Kevin Mark wrote: On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:34:25AM +, john gennard wrote: Hi John, sorry if I snap at ya. I'm used to the ocassional wipper-snapper who just asks something with out doing any research. It seems that your issue is a bit non-standard which caught me off-gard. Sorry, Kev, but I don't understand. I know I'm nearly 77 and have none of the audio expertise which all of younger generations have. Can I explain what I have. The Motherboard has onboard audio (the manual says 'Realtek ALC888 7.1 channel audio CODEC with High Definition audio'). [I've never used onboard sound before - I have always put in a Sound card, but now want to see what the onboard sound offers]. Output/Input to the onboard stuff seems to be automatic to the six sockets at the rear (after the installation of drivers). I am getting sound to speakers from the rear, although, as I told Hugo, I don't yet know what all the sockets do. Now it makes sense. You have the rear sound as part of the MB. No wires there. That was the confusion. The rear panel has: grey -side speaker lt blue-line in black -rear speaker green -front speaker orange-center bass pink -microphone --- left right rear rear leftright sideside front speaker COMPUTER center bass --- so, regular two channel sound would just require you hooking up to the 'front speaker' aka green plug. Now, the case has a further option which it seems the Motherboard supports. At the front there are two additional USB sockets and two sockets for sound. The case provides three cables, two for USB to connect to pins on the Motherboard (I've no problem with these), and one to enable the sound sockets. The Motherboard Manual seems to expect me to have a 9 pin plug - I don't, I have 7 connectors and am confused by differing phraseology so am not sure which goes where. I know about having to change Bios settings. so the board did not come with a wire to connect to your chassis. This is where the confusion started. So you have a wire but dont know how to connect it. Pins: | | | |6|7|8| |9| PCI headers | |1|2|3|4|5| PCI headers | PCI headers | PCI headers | PCI headers | PCI headers | | HDMIgame | header header +-- On most boards, pin 1 is maked in some way--maybe a spot of ink or red color. From the manual, it says to do the following for basic 2 channel audio: audio right-pin 3 audio left -pin 5 ground -pin 6 mic-pin 1 pin 8 and pin 9 are for HD audio, what ever that means. I can see some advantage to using the easily accessible front panel both for USB devices and Sound so I'd just like to have it available. Hugo pointed me to a site which gives good info about the Motherboard and heavily criticises the quality of the Manual, so after all I may not be completely stupid or senile! Thanks for your responses. hope this help. Yes, it certainly does, thank you. I think I now understand what is what. Later today I'll open the box and make the connections feeling certain they will work. Now, I just have three unused connectors (on the case) - 'return L', return R' and 'Mic bias'. The first two I shall ignore for the time being and 'mic bias' I should have remembered from the 1940s (I presume you know that it is required for a condenser microphone element which I don't have so don't need). Again thanks for the assistance. Regards, John. Cheers, Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound on M/board
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
john gennard wrote:
Kevin Mark wrote:
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 09:29:14AM +, john gennard wrote:
Normally, I use a Sound Card, but with a new Asrock
775Dual-VSTA board, there's a front panel socket which
I'd like to try, but I don't understand the connectors.
{snipped]
Hi John,
You should do your own research. Here is the pdf for your board, it has
instructions.
http://www.asrock.com/manual/775Dual-VSTA.pdf
(hint: the green plug is for 2 channel audio)
I already have the Manual (I referred to it) - the point is
I don't understand how what it says relates to the case's
connectors.
This is not a Gnu/linux or Debian issue.
I agree, I wouldn't be on this Newsgroup if I didn't run Debian.
It (Debian) is aleady on the Hard drive attached to this Mobo,
but if I can't connect the hardware how can I configure Sound
(other than getting a Sound card)?.
Looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157092
I only see 6 analog audioports in the rear I/O panel.
Is there a confusion between front and rear?
No, I don't think so, Hugo. I did say there were 6 at the rear.
As yet I do not understand all of them but I now have sound to my
speakers from one of these.
The case has a panel at the front which gives two more USB
connections and a further two audio sockets. These have to be
brought into use by connecting to extra pins on the motherboard.
I had no problem enabling the extra USB, but I don't understand
exactly which of the 9 pins on the board accept the 7 connectors
in the cable provided by the case manufacturers. That is the
problem I need to solve.
I hadn't seen the link you gave before - thanks it is useful,
and does point to poor quality of the Manual.
John.
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Re: Sound on M/board
Kevin Mark wrote:
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 02:17:27PM +, john gennard wrote:
Kevin Mark wrote:
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 09:29:14AM +, john gennard wrote:
Normally, I use a Sound Card, but with a new Asrock
775Dual-VSTA board, there's a front panel socket which
I'd like to try, but I don't understand the connectors.
{snipped]
Hi John,
You should do your own research. Here is the pdf for your board, it has
instructions.
http://www.asrock.com/manual/775Dual-VSTA.pdf
(hint: the green plug is for 2 channel audio)
I already have the Manual (I referred to it) - the point is
I don't understand how what it says relates to the case's
connectors.
Hi John,
Here is my assumption:
you have the mulit-audio plug assemply(mic,audio in, audio out, rear, etc).
you have the mother board
you have a wire that connects the audio plug assembly to the mother board
you have the OS installed
you have alsa configured to recognizes the audio card
the only thing left to do is get a stereo audio chord and plug it from
the green (2 channel audio) plug on the audio plug assembly and into an
audio amplifier.
Please state what is different.
cheers,
Kev
Sorry, Kev, but I don't understand. I know I'm nearly 77 and
have none of the audio expertise which all of younger generations
have. Can I explain what I have.
The Motherboard has onboard audio (the manual says 'Realtek
ALC888 7.1 channel audio CODEC with High Definition audio').
[I've never used onboard sound before - I have always put in
a Sound card, but now want to see what the onboard sound offers].
Output/Input to the onboard stuff seems to be automatic to
the six sockets at the rear (after the installation of drivers).
I am getting sound to speakers from the rear, although, as I
told Hugo, I don't yet know what all the sockets do.
Now, the case has a further option which it seems the Motherboard
supports. At the front there are two additional USB sockets and
two sockets for sound. The case provides three cables, two for USB
to connect to pins on the Motherboard (I've no problem with these),
and one to enable the sound sockets. The Motherboard Manual seems
to expect me to have a 9 pin plug - I don't, I have 7 connectors
and am confused by differing phraseology so am not sure which goes
where. I know about having to change Bios settings.
I can see some advantage to using the easily accessible front panel
both for USB devices and Sound so I'd just like to have it available.
Hugo pointed me to a site which gives good info about the
Motherboard and heavily criticises the quality of the Manual,
so after all I may not be completely stupid or senile!
Thanks for you responses.
John.
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Sound on M/board
Normally, I use a Sound Card, but with a new Asrock 775Dual-VSTA board, there's a front panel socket which I'd like to try, but I don't understand the connectors. The M/board Manual has 'Front Panel Audio Header' '(9-pin-HD_AUDIO1)' and pins for 'GND, Presence, Mic_Ret, Out_Ret, Mic2 L, Mic2 R, Out2 R, J Sense, and Out2 L'. The case has a bunch of 7 connectors, viz:- 'Spkout R, Mic bias, Return L. Mic in, Return R, Spkout L, and Gnd'. How do I connect (ie. which connector to which pin)? Also what would the two extra pins be for if I had connectors extra connectors? Also, there is a 3pin HDMI_SPDIF Header on the board, but after a quick read I've decided to leave that for a later date as my audio needs are very basic (I was brought up when a crystal set and record/cylinder player were state of the art - later we had radiograms which were 'rocket science') Can someone please help. Also, I have 6 sockets on the rear of the M/board. These are 'Side speaker, Rear speaker, Central/bass, Line in, Front speaker and Microphone'. I have a number of Speakers including a Cambridge Soundworks EAX, (a central box and 4 small 'satellite' speakers). I've only ever been able to get this lot to work on my main box using a single jack plug, and then only the central box and two small speakers give out any sound. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound on M/board
Kevin Mark wrote:
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 09:29:14AM +, john gennard wrote:
Normally, I use a Sound Card, but with a new Asrock
775Dual-VSTA board, there's a front panel socket which
I'd like to try, but I don't understand the connectors.
{snipped]
Hi John,
You should do your own research. Here is the pdf for your board, it has
instructions.
http://www.asrock.com/manual/775Dual-VSTA.pdf
(hint: the green plug is for 2 channel audio)
I already have the Manual (I referred to it) - the point is
I don't understand how what it says relates to the case's
connectors.
This is not a Gnu/linux or Debian issue.
I agree, I wouldn't be on this Newsgroup if I didn't run Debian.
It (Debian) is aleady on the Hard drive attached to this Mobo,
but if I can't connect the hardware how can I configure Sound
(other than getting a Sound card)?.
Cheers,
Kev
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Difficulty in booting from Grub on Mbr
I have three boxes successfully multi-booting using Grub. Apart from one stupid error on my part, I had no difficulty in installing Grub on any of these. Now I have built a 'testing' box based on Asrock's 775Dual-VSTA mobo, an Intel 3.2Gig Cpu, a 120 Gig hard drive (IDE and not SATA), floppy and a combo CD/DVD Writer. I have installed W2000 (Hda1), Debian Sarge (Hda2), Ubuntu Edgy Eft (Hda 5) and Simply Mepis 6.0 (Hda 6). Grub will not boot from the Mbr (I'm sure it is installed there as W2000 does not boot). Using Knoppix, I have ascertained that the three Linux distros created and configured Grub correctly. I've looked at the Bios settings but find nothing which seems untoward (mind you, although I've used Debian for over 10 years, I'm still little more than a newbie when problems arise). Assuming I can remember how to do so, I could create a Grub boot floppy, but wish to avoid the repetitive commandline initial work. Does anyone have any suggestions which might help me, please? Or, any history of such a problem with this mobo? Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop battery
I am most grateful to the seventeen persons who responded to my request; it would take up a lot of list space to reply to each. In a few weeks, I'll be 76 and do not need to use a battery as I've no intention or need to take the machine outdoors. I could easily buy a new battery, but from a logical point of view, is it sensible to spend 40% of the secondhand cost when I can use the Adapter (one thing I have in my flat is a surfeit of plugs). What the replies prompt me to ask is:- a. Is it harmful to use the Laptop with Adapter without any battery on board? b. The way things are set up, the battery always seemed to 'leak' a little and each time I booted up the indicator would say eg '97% charged' and then go to 'fully charged' very quickly. So topping up was constantly taking place and this would seem to have been a bad thing. Could this have created the memory block referred to in the replies? I've accepted the fact that the battery almost certainly is u/s. I could later acquire a more uptodate Laptop, but I belong to the generation that still believes if you have something that works and fulfills your needs why replace it. In the short time I've had it, I've grown fond of this T20 and it's interchangeable drives and USB peripherals. And it is a lot smaller than I see most now on sale. Also (the same generation thing) I would like to try replacing the cells just to see if I can do that, but only if using the Laptop without any battery is feasible. Again, I am most grateful for the replies. Many thanks,John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laptop battery
Just before Christmas, I bought a secondhand T20 Laptop and installed Sarge which works fine. The vendor said there was a battery which 'worked well'. Embarrassingly, I have so far always used the T20 with the AC Adapter. However, last evening I decided to use the battery to see how much time I would get from it. Debian's monitor told me the battery was fully charged, but, on starting I got a message 'Running off Battery - 11 minutes left', two minutes later 'Battery running out 0 minutes left'. It did give me enough time to close everything and shut down. I've just recharged the battery which took just over 23 minutes to reach 'fully charged'. Then switching to it, in one minute I got 'Running off battery 11 mins left' quickly followed by 'running out 0 mins left'. It would seem that I've been 'sold a pup', but before getting a new one (assuming one can be found), I just wondered if anything in the Debian software could be misconfigured. The battery itself seems in almost pristine condition to my inexperienced eyes. Can anyone offer any suggestions (solice is perhaps too much to hope for). I've never had anything to do with Laptops before, so I'm in the dark. Regards,John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
converting .ged to html etc
Is there a Debian program which will allow me to convert a .ged file to html (or pdf) and print the out put? Does anyone know how to do this simply, please? Thanks, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pausing the scroll (was Re: Small issues, but still annoying)
Maurits van Rees wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 02:31:19PM +0100, Geoff Thurman wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 01:00:03PM -0700, Ibrahim Mubarak wrote: Each time my kernel boots, I see flashing on my screen for a sec the word FATAL followed (on a seperate line) by kernel modules' names. I am not sure what the FATAL error message is as it goes out of my screen way too fast. 'dmesg' will show you your bootup messages (when you are able to login that is). If you ever want to halt the scroll, just hold down Ctrl and hit S. If you miss it, and it is already off the screen, then try Ctrl and PageUp (or is it Shift and PageUp? - and IIRC for some reason this part doesn't always work). When you want it to start the scroll again use Ctrl and Q. It's Shift-PageUp. And in case Ctrl-S doesn't work, try the ScrollLock key. 'Pause' works for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
changing default os in grub
I've been using grub for a little while now, and its setup as been 'automatic'. I run Sarge and also have Sid installed. Frequently, I install debian based distros just to have a look at them. Now, I have ubuntu as the default selection and Sarge is lower down. I've just installed a 2.6.8 kernel in Sarge and was hoping the adjustment to grub would return Sarge to the default position - it didn't. I can boot into ubuntu and add the new kernel, but this would not put Sarge where I want it to be for booting purposes. The man and info pages do not appear to help (perhaps because I don't fully understand them). I don't want to risk making everything unbootable by experimenting, so can anyone please explain how I can safely put Sarge back as default? Grateful for assistance.John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changing default os in grub
Clive Menzies wrote: [snip] Hi John You need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst with a text editor. I have a rather complex grub set-up (which was an interesting learning experience) on a spare windows machine in our office which has two drives /dev/hda and /dev/hdb; hda has windows 98 and hdb has a vfat partition for the windows system and 4 Debian based systems on different partitions but share common swap space. Here's an extract from my menu.lst: # This entry is for the windows OS and appears first as the default # system on /dev/hda1 title Windows 98SE root(hd0,0) savedefault makeactive chainloader +1 # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST # The automagic kernels list includes all the d-i sarge kernels which # update automatically. Note that the groot (grub root) is on the # second disk ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default optons below ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs ## ## Start Default Options ## ## default kernel options ## default kernel options for automagic boot options ## If you want special options for specifiv kernels use kopt_x_y_z ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted. ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro # kopt=root=/dev/hdb2 ro ## default grub root device ## e.g. groot=(hd0,0) # groot=(hd1,1) ## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. alternative=true ## alternative=false # alternative=true ## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options ## e.g. lockalternative=true ## lockalternative=false # lockalternative=false ## altoption boot targets option ## multiple altoptions lines are allowed ## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options ## altoptions=(recovery mode) single # altoptions=(recovery mode) single ## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst ## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the ## alternative kernel options ## e.g. howmany=all ## howmany=7 # howmany=all ## ## End Default Options ## title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8-1-686 root(hd1,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-686 root=/dev/hdb2 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-1-686 savedefault boot title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8-1-686 (recovery mode) root(hd1,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-686 root=/dev/hdb2 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-1-686 savedefault boot title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.27-1-386 root(hd1,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-1-386 root=/dev/hdb2 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-1-386 savedefault boot title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.27-1-386 (recovery mode) root(hd1,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-1-386 root=/dev/hdb2 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-1-386 savedefault boot ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST # This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the # Debian sarge ones. Here I've manually inserted the details of Ubuntu, # and MEPIS. Note that Xandros uses LILO by default and offers # no easy way to install grub. I can only boot into Xandros from a boot # floppy. My advice is don't mix Xandros with grub ;) title Other operating systems: root # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for an existing # linux installation on /dev/hdb9. title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386 (on /dev/hdb9) root(hd1,8) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hdb9 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386 savedefault boot # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for an existing # linux installation on /dev/hdb9. title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386 (recovery mode) (on /dev/hdb9) root(hd1,8) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hdb9 ro single initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386 savedefault boot # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for an existing # linux installation on /dev/hdb11. title MEPIS, kernel 2.4.26 (on /dev/hdb11) root(hd1,10) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.26 root=/dev/hdb11 ro savedefault boot # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for an existing # linux installation on /dev/hdb11. title MEPIS, kernel 2.4.26 (recovery mode) (on /dev/hdb11) root(hd1,10) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.26 root=/dev/hdb11 ro single savedefault boot # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for an existing # linux installation on /dev/hdb11. title Run MEMTEST to test system memory (on /dev/hdb11) root(hd1,10) kernel /boot/memtest86.bin root=/dev/hdb11 savedefault boot Once you've edited your menu.lst run update-grub but make sure you have also made
make-kpg
I received help which included the reference to 'make-kpg' (re kernel compilation), and assumed this was the kind of typo we all make at times. Now, in googling for something else, I find quite a number of similar references (some on this list). Is it an abbreviation or just a typing slip? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
compiling third party module
I haven't done this for a long time, and cannot find my write-up. For weeks, I've been trying to set up wireless networking using a USB Belkin F5D6050 Adapter. At last I've managed to get Sarge with the 2.4.26.1-386 kernel to 'see' the device, but it won't use the native 'atmel' driver. The Debian repository has 'at76c503a-source' available, but I can't 'make' this as it can't find '/lib/modules/2.4.26.1-386/ build/.tmp_versions/*.mod'. I have nothing obtaining to the kernel in /usr/src. What do I need to compile this module please? I don't want to recompile the 2.4 kernel and don't intend to use a 2.6 one at the moment (trying to get this network running on Sid with its 2.6 kernel has been disastrous so far!) John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
initrd.img and booting
I have a Sid installation with the 2.6.7-1 kernel, and have just compiled 2.6.8 (after weeks of trying, I cannot configure my USB network adaptor and hoped this might give me some clue to the problem). After creating the kernel-image.deb, I got the following message and selected b. (not wishing to find I couldn't boot at all):- -- Unpacking kernel-image-2.6.8.1910 (from kernel-image-2.6.8.1910_10.00.Custom_i386.deb) ... Setting up kernel-image-2.6.8.1910 (10.00.Custom) ... /initrd.img does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh? Or maybe you don't want a symbolic link here. Hmm? Lets See. I note that you have an old initrd symbolic link in place. The name of the symbolic link is being changed to initrd.img I have two options here. I can: (A) delete the old symbolic link (default). You shall need to update the boot loader (b) Igore it and do nothing Please select one of a, or b: Please note that initrd points to the wrong image now Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub . Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst . Searching for splash image... none found, skipping... Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1910 Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.7-1-386 Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done /boot/grub/menu.lst includes the following (ignoring the recovery mode entries):- - title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.8.1910 root(hd0,8) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1910 root=/dev/hda9 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1910 savedefault boot title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.7-1-386 root(hd0,8) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.7-1-386 root=/dev/hda9 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.7-1-386 savedefault boot 2.6.7 still boots, but 2.6.8 does not - I expected this, but I'm confused. For example, why are the entries for vmlinuz required? If they were used wouldn't the booting of 2.6.7 fail? /initrd is a link to boot/intrd.img-2.6.7-1 /initrd.img is a link to boot/initrd.img-2.6.8 /vmlinuzis a link to boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8 /vmlinuz.oldis a link to boot/vmlinuz-2.6.7-1 What I would like to know (I don't want to experiment myself), is how do I arrange things so that grub will boot whichever kernel I select? Also, is there a URL or reference listing what should be compiled directly into a kernel to avoid the need to create an intrd.img? Can anyone give me an explanation please? John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/etc/iftab
I'm still struggling to get my USB Belkin Wireless Adaptor working with either Sarge or Unstable. Progress is painfully slow. Should ifrename automatically create /etc/iftab, or am I required to do so manually? Also, does anyone know where I can see some samples of /etc/iftab files? Can anyone assist, please. Thanks, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc/iftab
Andrea Vettorello wrote: On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:17:59 +0100, john gennard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still struggling to get my USB Belkin Wireless Adaptor working with either Sarge or Unstable. Progress is painfully slow. Should ifrename automatically create /etc/iftab, or am I required to do so manually? Also, does anyone know where I can see some samples of /etc/iftab files? Can anyone assist, please. Don't know if can help ypu, but here http://chrismetcalf.net/wiki/index.php/LinuxUberNetworkingHowto there are some info using iftab and ifrename command. Thank you - that URL (which I didn't find when googling) has given me some simplified and clear help. In the meantime, I've ascertained that /etc/iftab is not created by default at the moment. John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
make xconfig
I'm trying to compile a 2.6.8 kernel in Unstable. Normally, I use 'make menuconfig', but for a change decided to use 'make xconfig' and installed 'libqt3-dev'. All the other software packages required for the 2.6.x kernels are installed. My attempt fails and generates the following error message:- /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# make xconfig HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep HOSTCC scripts/basic/split-include HOSTCC scripts/basic/docproc SHIPPED scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.h HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/conf.o sed scripts/kconfig/lkc_proto.h scripts/kconfig/lkc_defs.h 's/P(\([^,]*\),.*/#define \1 (\*\1_p)/' HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/kconfig_load.o HOSTCC scripts/kconfig/mconf.o /usr/share/qt3/bin/moc -i scripts/kconfig/qconf.h -o scripts/kconfig/qconf.moc HOSTCXX scripts/kconfig/qconf.o /bin/sh: g++: command not found make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/qconf.o] Error 127 make: *** [xconfig] Error 2 - g++-3.2 is installed. What am I missing? Oh! I compile 'the debian way' with kernel package, and the kernel-source I'm trying to use was installed with my last upgrade of Unstable. Thanks, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: -1 Unknown symbol in module
Michael Marsh wrote: john gennard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed O'Reilly - tried 'insmod' and as unsuccessful, built a database with 'depmod -a'. 'modules.dep' showed there were dependencies, so I used 'modprobe' which I understood should find and install the dependencies. O'Reilly says I should use the full path - is this a recent change? The full path to modprobe, or the full path to the module? Using the full path to modprobe is a good idea. I don't know what the history of modprobe's arguments is, but given that it needs to find the appropriate module for a given kernel, you'd always want to leave the path out and let it do the work for you. To the module. This advice has solved the problem. '/sbin/modprobe atmel' loads all three modules. Putting 'atmel' into '/etc.modules' and rebooting has loaded them. Now to play with 'iwconfig' and I'm home and dry. Michael, I'm most grateful that you've taken time to help me as you have. Being long retired means not having anyone to discuss things with and also almost all problems are first time ones. Many thanks, John. I don't get any more detail in the error messages:- modprobe full pathsays file not found. modprobe atmelgives no output, merely returns to the prompt I assume the second line was actually modprobe atmel Yes it was -sorry if I created confusion. (ie, without the angle brackets). If not, try without the brackets. Also try "lsmod", which will show you what's loaded. It might be that you've got the module loaded now, and should be set. You can also give modprobe the "-v" option to make it more verbose.
-1 Unknown symbol in module
Haven't used modules before - seem fairly simple, but as usual for me the first go presents a problem. Using #insmod full path to lib/modules/2.6.7-1-386 etc presents the subject error. Running 'depmod -a' shows no errors, but then using 'modprobe' results in the error 'module '..' not found'. I presume that if I select an incorrect module (which I don't think I have), the module would get loaded but of course wouldn't work with the hardware. What am I doing wrong, and what does the error from 'insmod' mean. Thanks, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: -1 Unknown symbol in module
Michael Marsh wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:44:06 +0100, john gennard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What am I doing wrong, and what does the error from 'insmod' mean. Generally, if you've just installed a new module you should run "depmod -a". Ideally this will be in one of your system start-up scripts, so there's a good chance you won't need to do this. If the module dependencies are built, then using "modprobe module name" should load it in along with the dependencies. This is preferable to "insmod module name", which doesn't do the same dependency resolution. Also, you shouldn't use the full path or the .o extension. I followed O'Reilly - tried 'insmod' and as unsuccessful, built a database with 'depmod -a'. 'modules.dep' showed there were dependencies, so I used 'modprobe' which I understood should find and install the dependencies. O'Reilly says I should use the full path - is this a recent change? If you still have problems, send the complete error message. It'll usually include the symbols that weren't resolved. It might be that you need to install another module. I don't get any more detail in the error messages:- modprobe full path says file not found. modprobe atmel gives no output, merely returns to the prompt What I didn't mention is that this install is Sarge (fully updated and upgraded) then upgraded to the current position of Unstable. I used wvdial and my dial up modem connection to my ISP for all the net access. I have made no changes or configurations (except wvdial, a user and given the user permissions for dip and dialout etc). Modules.dep shows the following two dependencies on the module I want to load:- /lib/modules/2.6.7-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/atmel.ko: /lib/modules/2.6.7-1-386/kernel/drivers/base/firmware_class.ko /lib/modules/2.6.7-1-386/kernel/lib/crc32.ko A number of people have said they are using the same Wireless Adaptor 'without any problems'. Could my problem be one of paths, I wonder. Thanks for your response. John.
Re: wireless lan
Karl E. Jorgensen wrote: Hi! On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 05:26:46PM +0100, john gennard wrote: I want to connect to a neighbour's network to use his adsl connection for large downloads. Presumably he knows that ;-) Yes, it was his idea! I have a Usb Belkin Adaptor (F5D6050) which works fine in W2000, but I need it in Sarge with a 2.4 kernel that I shall soon change to a 2.6 one, and also in Sid with a 2.6.7 kernel. ?? some=soon? Either due to my arthritis or a new problem of failing eyesight! This is an atmel-based chipset - I *think* i had that working under 2.4, but I've been running 2.6 for a long time... and my wireless cards (atmel based too) work fine under 2.6.5 I hoped (tongue in cheek) that it is atmel based, but I have seen references to the fact that earlier Belkin Adaptors had prism chipsets. The Adaptor was given to me and I couldn't establish its age. I've been unable to find a newbie type howto showing, what are the kernel requirements, what to put into /etc/networks/ and so on. At the moment I seem unable to get either installation to recognize that the Adaptor is there at all. 'wireless-tools' is installed but 'iwconfig' says no wireless extensions. What about: http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~jmahler/howto/SMC.html ? (first hit on google when searching for "atmel howto") Many thanks - this is really helpful. At first glance it seems now I may be able to get somewhere. All my googling was for wireless lan configuration (from scratch). I'll recompile the kernel in Sid first and see where I get to. Both kernels are those with the installs (ie I've not yet done any recompile - am waiting to see what is required). It does seem, however, that everything except the kitchen sink is selected as a module. This was misleading - what I meant was I've done no recompile on the new installs. Normally, I don't have problems with re/compiling, it's just that I prefer to include in all important stuff (avoiding modules as much as possible) and wanted to establish exactly what I needed for the connection. Kernel compiles aren't difficult - and even easier under 2.6. Lots of howtos out there, e.g.: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm I've spent hours in googling - there's a mass of information, but nothing at elementary level where I need to start. I think the driver I may require is the atmel at76c503 unless there's one already available in the kernels. I've ploughed through Jean Touttilhes' vast output and understand some of it, but not exactly where to start. There's much more, but no overall step by step. I went through that a while back - and it turned out to be easy. As far as I understand, the atmel chipset is supported natively under newer kernels, but I have not yet ventured there Hope this helps Yes, it most certainly does. Most stuff I could find seemed to relate to laptops. Again, my thanks. John.
wireless lan
I want to connect to a neighbour's network to use his adsl connection for large downloads. I have a Usb Belkin Adaptor (F5D6050) which works fine in W2000, but I need it in Sarge with a 2.4 kernel that I shall some change to 2.6 one, and also in Sid with a 2.6.7 kernel. I've been unable to find a newbie type howto showing, what are the kernel requirements, what to put into /etc/networks/ and so on. At the moment I seem unable to get either installation to recognize that the Adaptor is there at all. 'wireless-tools' is installed but 'iwconfig' says no wireless extensions. Both kernels are those with the installs (ie I've not yet done any recompile - am waiting to see what is required). It does seem, however, that everything except the kitchen sink is selected as a module. I've spent hours in googling - there's a mass of information, but nothing at elementary level where I need to start. I think the driver I may require is the atmel at76c503 unless there's one already available in the kernels. I've ploughed through Jean Touttilhes' vast output and understand some of it, but not exactly where to start. There's much more, but no overall step by step. A LUG group I often attend started to give me help, but that's now gone quiet. Would someone please assist me if they have the time. Thanks,John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
clarification re Grub
Have installed the Official snapshot of Sarge dated 7th August. Everything went silky-smooth. I did leave network configuration as I wanted to use wifi and in any case didn't know my IP address. For the first time, I used grub - the installer did everything for me. Unfortunately, I have 13 partitions on this very large IDE harddisk, and I have a lot of them in use (I'm for ever 'looking at' other distros). The installation found each one and included it in the grub menu.lst. What I would like to clearly understand is:- a. As I finish 'looking at' a distro, can I just eliminate it from the menu.lst using a text editor? b. I need to compile a 2.6 kernel - do I merely add it to the menu.lst and select the default I desire? c. When I'm 'looking at' yet another distro (which apparently should go into the 'other operating system' section), do I merely do whatever the answer to b. is? Grateful for assistance. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
running network config in Sarge
How do I run network configuration in Sarge. I ignored it in a recent install? Would someone please let me know. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On downloading Debian ISOs
Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: Oops! :) I downloaded the Debian 3.0r2 ISO (the first and half of the second). Guess I'll wait till 3.1 is released then, right? Rakhesh Full official CD images of Sarge (Testing) are released weekly and available on www.debian.org ( 'CD iso images' -- 'Fetch full Cd images' -- 'Official CD images of the "testing distribution"' -- etc). Earlier today I downloaded CD1 - after burning to a CD, it installed 'like a dream' in less than 20 minutes. So you need not wait for the 3.1 to be released. John
Re: Sarge bootdisk
Katipo wrote: john gennard wrote: steel, I did nothing to 'avoid' the option, quite simply it was not made available to me. I'm not sure whether the DVD contains beta4 - the write up merely says taken the latest Debian DVD build made with the jigdo tool At the end of the base install, I was given the options:- Use bootloader Grub Use bootloader Lilo Proceed without a bootloader Then comes reboot, which I cannot do - if I could, I would go to the base system configuration tool menu. Why can't you reboot? The ability to reboot has more to do with how you have your boot options set in the bios than anything else. On installs, have your first boot option set as cdrom, your second as hdd0, or whichever drive you are installing to. Then, when you remove the install CD from the cdrom, boot automatically passes to the harddrive, and you're away. You don't need to create a boot disc to boot, I bypassed the option on both occassions. Regards, David, I don't understand how you do that. After extracting the DVD and changing the first boot option back to 'floppy', booting goes from floppy to hdd0 which boots the only OS bootable from the MBR. I haven't made the partition on which Sarge is being installed bootable as I assume that might cause problems. Is that what you do? John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge bootdisk
steef van duin wrote: Katipo wrote: john gennard wrote: Am trying to do a new install of Sarge from a DVD. The new installer does not appear to allow the creation of a bootdisk (although the text assumes you can do so). I don't see why the new installer should vary from dvd to cd, as I checked out both Beta3 and 4, and both had the boot disc option as I recall. The Ash shell launchable from the installer does not include 'mkboot', so cannot be used. I already have Knoppix installed on this new disk - if I mount the partition containing the basic/part installed Sarge, I cannot create a bootdisk that way, although with a little trying I can probably put lilo on a floppy and boot that way. I've always preferred to use bootdisks or lilo on a floppy , as yet another OS can give me problems if I use the MBR. How many OSs are you running, that they should give you problems. I play with them, so I have found it easier to install them on separate drives in mobile racks. This could possibly be a solution for you, dependent on your situation. Is there any easy way for me to solve this problem? John. Regards, David. beta 4 certainly has a boot-disk option, as I recall well. so: what did you do exactly to 'avoid' the option??? steef steel, I did nothing to 'avoid' the option, quite simply it was not made available to me. I'm not sure whether the DVD contains beta4 - the write up merely says taken the latest Debian DVD build made with the jigdo tool At the end of the base install, I was given the options:- Use bootloader Grub Use bootloader Lilo Proceed without a bootloader Then comes reboot, which I cannot do - if I could, I would go to the base system configuration tool menu. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sarge bootdisk
Am trying to do a new install of Sarge from a DVD. The new installer does not appear to allow the creation of a bootdisk (although the text assumes you can do so). The Ash shell launchable from the installer does not include 'mkboot', so cannot be used. I already have Knoppix installed on this new disk - if I mount the partition containing the basic/part installed Sarge, I cannot create a bootdisk that way, although with a little trying I can probably put lilo on a floppy and boot that way. I've always preferred to use bootdisks or lilo on a floppy , as yet another OS can give me problems if I use the MBR. Is there any easy way for me to solve this problem? John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge bootdisk
Katipo wrote: john gennard wrote: Am trying to do a new install of Sarge from a DVD. The new installer does not appear to allow the creation of a bootdisk (although the text assumes you can do so). I don't see why the new installer should vary from dvd to cd, as I checked out both Beta3 and 4, and both had the boot disc option as I recall. This DVD was issued with Linux Magazine and I can't find the option to prepare a boot disk. For another machine I downloaded an .iso and burned it to CD and yes that gave the bootdisk option. I no longer have the CD and the ADSL line I had access to is longer available to me. The Ash shell launchable from the installer does not include 'mkboot', so cannot be used. I already have Knoppix installed on this new disk - if I mount the partition containing the basic/part installed Sarge, I cannot create a bootdisk that way, although with a little trying I can probably put lilo on a floppy and boot that way. I've always preferred to use bootdisks or lilo on a floppy , as yet another OS can give me problems if I use the MBR. How many OSs are you running, that they should give you problems. I play with them, so I have found it easier to install them on separate drives in mobile racks. This could possibly be a solution for you, dependent on your situation. Normally, I only run Debian (Woody or Sarge), and like you I play around with other distros and use removable caddies. Now, however, hard disks are so large it's a different proposition. My main box is at the moment down and I have re-siting difficulties, so, as a short term solution, I wanted Sarge on a box in the bedroom quickly and got this snag. Maybe Linux Magazine can help. Is there any easy way for me to solve this problem? John. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound on Sarge
Katipo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 23 Apr 2004:- This looks like alsa-xmms predepends on xmms, which is hardly surprising. Xmms has a myriad of these. If alsa-xmms didn't exist, your packet manager would say so, as in:- alsa-xmms, no such package, quite emphatically. [snip] Not gospel, but it looks as though alsa-xmms is an integral part of the xmms package to the point where it is not recognised as a separate entity. You may have to install xmms to get it. I can't think of any other reason as to why your package manager would respond by installing an apparently unrequested package otherwise. David, In view of what you said, I decided to install 'xmms' (if necessary I could always purge it). The install log shows what the problem was:- -- [snip] Version: 1.2.10-1 Replaces: x11ampg, x11amp, xmms-vorbis, alsa-xmms Provides: mp3-decoder, x11ampg, x11amp, xmms-vorbis, alsa-xmms Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libglib1.2 (= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (= 1.2.10-4), xlibs ( 4.1.0) | libice6, xlibs ( 4.1.0) | libsm6, xlibs ( 4.1.0) | libx11-6, xlibs ( 4.1.0) | libxext6, xlibs ( 4.1.0) | libxi6 Recommends: libasound2 ( 1.0.0), libaudiofile0 (= 0.2.3-4), libesd0 (= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (= 0.2.29-1), libmikmod2 (= 3.1.10), libogg0 (= 1.1.0), libvorbis0a (= 1.0.1), libvorbisfile3 (= 1.0.1), xlibmesa3-gl | libgl1, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1) Suggests: unzip Conflicts: x11ampg, x11amp, xmms-vorbis, alsa-xmms -- Again, thanks for pointing the way. Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sound on Sarge
I am trying to install sound, using Alsa, in Sarge. There is plenty of information available (esp. on this list) and I've found a doc titled Debian, a Custom Kernel, and ALSA written by Rob Knop and dated 30/11/2003 in which he refers to a package 'alsa-xmms'. This I cannot find anywhere. Can anyone help please? John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound on Sarge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 22 Apr 2004:- john gennard wrote: I am trying to install sound, using Alsa, in Sarge. [snip] he refers to a package 'alsa-xmms'. This I cannot find anywhere. Can anyone help please? Hello John, alsa-xmms is definitely in the pool. I was going through dselect last night and saw it there, so it is definitely available. apt-get update apt-get install alsa-xmms should install it for you. Regards, David. I had tried that, David, and only got the offer of 'xmms', repeating shows:- - Leary:/home/john# apt-get install alsa-xmms Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Note, selecting xmms instead of alsa-xmms Suggested packages: unzip Recommended packages: libmikmod2 libvorbis0 The following NEW packages will be installed: xmms 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 40 not upgraded. Need to get 2013kB of archives. After unpacking 6255kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://ftp.uk.debian.org testing/main xmms 1.2.10-1 [2013kB] 25% [1 xmms 507879/2013kB 25%]30.3kB/s 49s 29% [1 xmms 601999/2013kB 29%]29.6kB/s 47s I aborted at this stage --- A package search on Debian.org in both Sarge and Testing failed to show 'alsa-xmms'. Very puzzling to me. Thanks for the response. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reading output of 'dpkg -l'
I can't read the full descriptions of certain packages in the above output. I had the same problem some time ago and Colin Watson gave me a command to change the column width of the output. Now I'm embarrassed to say I cannot find his response (I did save it but Lord knows where, and I can't find it by searching the archives). Someone help me out, please? John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reading output of 'dpkg -l'
Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 06:14:00PM +, john gennard wrote: I can't read the full descriptions of certain packages in the above output. I had the same problem some time ago and Colin Watson gave me a command to change the column width of the output. Now I'm embarrassed to say I cannot find his response (I did save it but Lord knows where, and I can't find it by searching the archives). Someone help me out, please? COLUMNS=number dpkg -l Cheers, Thanks Colin. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Debian Installer
Damon L. Chesser wrote: Now I understand. This did flit across my mind, but I couldn't conceive why I should want to install Debian when I already have both Woody and Sarge on this box. Thanks for replying. John. What are you trying to do? Knoppix is Debian, but in a mix of woody, testing, unstable. You can do all of that with your Sarge install. What do you want to accomplish? Learn Linux, install Debian. Learn of different distros? Then use the live-cd feature of Knoppix. Your response to S. Keeling has me very confused over what you hope to get done. My wife runs Windoze and frequently gets into difficulty with freezes and so forth. I've convinced her to have a Linux install in a separate partition so that she will always have a solid setup to fall back on. I often refer to Knoppix when I want to try to understand something, and I thought I could do a hard disk install and prune it to down to leave only what she would need. Before attempting this I decided to do an install on one of my boxes just to see if there would be any problems and confirm it would be suitable for her. Right, there are now three ways of doing a hard disk install - one I don't understand, the second is David McNab's 'knx-hdinstall' and the third using 'knoppix-installer' a new approach employing a GUI. I used 'knoppix-installer' and everything seemed fine at first until I started re-writing some files and found the these were being rewritten on the next boot ( the most obvious case was with /etc/fstab -the knoppix-autoconfig script ran and all 22 partitions I have on this box were scanned, /etc/fstab overwritten and icons placed on the Desktop). I stopped the /etc/fstab problem with chattr -i, but then I discovered that the rcx.d files contained virtually nothing compared to Woody or Sarge. At this point I asked for assistance (on a local list ) and one reply suggested I used the new Debian Installer. As I didn't understand what was involved I posted to this list. Now, I'm well into my seventies and did not have any Computer until I was long retired. After a few months wrestling with Windoze I switched to Debian and since then I have always had a solid fully working System (never a crash). I've learned a lot - by trial and asking on this list (I've been subscribed continuosly for almost six years), but there are still areas into which I have not so far ventured. My wife is also long retired, but does not have my inquiring mind - I swear she feels her Computer should also cook the meals. I'm sorry if I caused your confusion. I know I can try a new install using 'knx-hdinstall' which worked for me a couple of years ago when I was checking Knoppix out, but I wondered why 'knoppix-installer' didn't seem to do the complete job and then the red herring of the Debian Installer made me very confused. Regards, John. Forwarded the above to Damon in error instead of to the list. Apologies! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using Debian Installer
I usually run Woody or Sarge (depending on mood!) and tried to do a hard disk install of Knoppix3.3 in a separate partition (to see if I could later install it on the wife's computer). Although the install seemed to go well , each reboot runs the script called 'knoppix-autoconfig' in /etc/init.d and I have nothing else except xsession calls in /rcx.d. So I asked for advice from my local Linux Group - as usual I got responses, one of which interests me and yet confuses me. Briefly, the suggestion was why not do a normal install? . you could even help test the new Debian Installer.Details and a request to help the testing process are at:- http:// www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I don't understand how I can install Knoppix3.3 by using the new Debian Installer. Would someone please give me basic idiot proof instructions. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Debian Installer
s. keeling wrote: Incoming from john gennard: Briefly, the suggestion was why not do a normal install? . you could even help test the new Debian Installer.Details and a request to help the testing process are at:- http:// www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I don't understand how I can install Knoppix3.3 by using the new Debian Installer. Would someone please give me basic idiot proof instructions. John. They're suggesting you install _stock_ Debian instead of Knoppix (which is based on Debian). This may or may not be what you want to do. Now I understand. This did flit across my mind, but I couldn't conceive why I should want to install Debian when I already have both Woody and Sarge on this box. Thanks for replying. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lilo error message
I normally put lilo on a floppy. Have just compiled kernel 2.6.3 on a Sarge installation and made the necessary alterations to /etc/lilo.conf. When running '/sbin/lilo', I get the following error message:- Fatal filesystem would be destroyed by LILO boot sector: /dev/fd0 Can anyone kindly explain what has happened, and how I might correct matters. Regards,John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Query Re: Returned mail ( dhcp on LAN)[]
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 12:28:13PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry! The mailbox you have addressed has been temporarily blocked to most traffic due to a large volume of incoming UBE (spam) activity. I do want to hear from you, so please resend your message to the _temporary_ address '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' specifying the intended recipient in the subject line. Thanks! NOTE: This is an automated message. Please do not reply directly to it using the 'reply' key or button of your mail reader; such replies are automatically deleted in order to avoid automated mail loops. Instead, forward the returned message to the above temporary address. You may be receiving this message because a spammer forged one of my email addresses as a false 'from' address. The entire message as received here has been appended, so you may be able to obtain the IP address of the actual sender's site and communicate with the site administrator about the problem. -jd=1077038892|146.82.138.6 | From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 17 12:28:05 2004 | Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Received: from murphy.debian.org (murphy.debian.org [146.82.138.6]) | by l2mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F21946F8F | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:28:05 -0500 (EST) | Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) | by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQP | id CDA4FEA1C; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:26:35 -0600 (CST) | Old-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Received: from zephir.uk.clara.net (zephir.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.53]) | by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E40E8E1 | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:26:32 -0600 (CST) | Received: from du-069-0661.access.clara.net ([217.158.156.152] helo=Leary.clara.co.uk) | by zephir.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) | id 1At8zP-000HQg-2v | for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:26:31 + | Received: (nullmailer pid 929 invoked by uid 1000); | Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:58:38 - | Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:58:38 + | From: john gennard [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: dhcp on LAN | Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mail-Followup-To: john gennard [EMAIL PROTECTED], | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mime-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii | Content-Disposition: inline | User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i | (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on murphy.debian.org | autolearn=no version=2.60-lists.debian.org_2003_12_03 | Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive/latest/329007 | X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | List-Id: debian-user.lists.debian.org | List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | List-Archive: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ | Precedence: list | Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:26:35 -0600 (CST) | | A neighbour allows me use of his adsl line (we are physically | networked together to share files etc). | | I've recently put another IDE hard-drive in this box (using | a caddy so my disks are interchangeable) and installed a | minimal Woody in each of two separate partitions. | The first installation I upgraded to a 'full blown' | Woody having elected to install by 'http' and used the adsl | line without difficulty. The second installation I upgraded | to Sarge again without difficulty and using the adsl line. | The kernels used were precompiled ones (2.2.20 on one and | 2.4.18-bf2.4 on the other. | | Now, I have compiled 2.4.24 kernels on both (I'm looking at | 2.6.2 for Sarge in due course!), but I cannot use the adsl | for 'apt-get' on either when I boot into 2.4.24. The dhcp | server is running on the neighbour's box whenever it is 'up'. | | 'route -vnee' and 'ifconfig' show the dhcp server has not | allocated an IP addess etc. | | I can see no obvious differences in the kernel .config files | (other than ones I understand and which are mainly the reason | I compiled new kernels. | | I have a dialup modem attached to a separate firewall which | I can use if and when necessary, and configuration of these | gives me no problem. | | What do I need to do so that I can use the adsl line with | newly compiled kernels? | | Grateful for any assistance.Regards,John. | | | -- | To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I am very confused by the above. I posted a request for help to the list, this was received by the list and there has been a reply. How can someone else have received
Re: dhcp on LAN
Adam Aube wrote: On Tuesday 17 February 2004 11:58 am, john gennard wrote: Now, I have compiled 2.4.24 kernels on both (I'm looking at 2.6.2 for Sarge in due course!), but I cannot use the adsl for 'apt-get' on either when I boot into 2.4.24. 'route -vnee' and 'ifconfig' show the dhcp server has not allocated an IP addess etc. Are CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER defined in your kernel config? That's a common mistake (that I myself have made) when building custom kernels. Adam CONFIG_PACKET is included but not CONFIG_FILTER - I'll have to recompile and hope that fixes the first of my problems. Thanks, Adam. Regards, John.
dhcp on LAN
A neighbour allows me use of his adsl line (we are physically networked together to share files etc). I've recently put another IDE hard-drive in this box (using a caddy so my disks are interchangeable) and installed a minimal Woody in each of two separate partitions. The first installation I upgraded to a 'full blown' Woody having elected to install by 'http' and used the adsl line without difficulty. The second installation I upgraded to Sarge again without difficulty and using the adsl line. The kernels used were precompiled ones (2.2.20 on one and 2.4.18-bf2.4 on the other. Now, I have compiled 2.4.24 kernels on both (I'm looking at 2.6.2 for Sarge in due course!), but I cannot use the adsl for 'apt-get' on either when I boot into 2.4.24. The dhcp server is running on the neighbour's box whenever it is 'up'. 'route -vnee' and 'ifconfig' show the dhcp server has not allocated an IP addess etc. I can see no obvious differences in the kernel .config files (other than ones I understand and which are mainly the reason I compiled new kernels. I have a dialup modem attached to a separate firewall which I can use if and when necessary, and configuration of these gives me no problem. What do I need to do so that I can use the adsl line with newly compiled kernels? Grateful for any assistance.Regards,John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upgrade Woody to Sarge
On a new hard drive, I've installed a basic Woody (ex the 7 CD set) to use to upgrade to Sarge. In /etc/apt/sources.list I put:- 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free' and ran:-'apt-get update' Things seemed to go fine initially, but I finished with the following error:- -- [snip] Fetched 2827kB in 38s ... Reading Package Lists ... Error! E. Dynamic MMap ran out of room E. Error occured while processing vrwave (NewVersion2) E. Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages E. The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened -- I haven't yet configured this Woody for email yet, so this is being sent from another OS. I'd be grateful for an explanation, and any suggestions to get over this problem. (Is the problem only with the 'non-free'?) Regards,John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrade Woody to Sarge
Alan Chandler wrote: On Sunday 25 January 2004 10:10 am, john gennard wrote: On a new hard drive, I've installed a basic Woody (ex the 7 CD set) to use to upgrade to Sarge. In /etc/apt/sources.list I put:- 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free' and ran:-'apt-get update' Things seemed to go fine initially, but I finished with the following error:- -- [snip] Fetched 2827kB in 38s ... Reading Package Lists ... Error! E. Dynamic MMap ran out of room E. Error occured while processing vrwave (NewVersion2) E. Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ Have you run out of disk space in /var ? - or alternatively perhaps in /tmp or swap No, I've used only 500mb out of 6.5 Gig, and am using only one partition. Swap is 500mb and Ram over 650mb and very little is used.
Re: upgrade Woody to Sarge
Colin Watson wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 10:31:05AM +, Alan Chandler wrote: On Sunday 25 January 2004 10:10 am, john gennard wrote: On a new hard drive, I've installed a basic Woody (ex the 7 CD set) to use to upgrade to Sarge. In /etc/apt/sources.list I put:- 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free' and ran:-'apt-get update' Things seemed to go fine initially, but I finished with the following error:- -- [snip] Fetched 2827kB in 38s ... Reading Package Lists ... Error! E. Dynamic MMap ran out of room E. Error occured while processing vrwave (NewVersion2) E. Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ Have you run out of disk space in /var ? - or alternatively perhaps in /tmp or swap No, he hasn't. Or at least, that's not the problem. John, if you just added that sources.list line and didn't remove the corresponding one for stable, then do so now. I'm ok there, Colin, as I only had entries for cdrom access plus the security update http entry which I commented out. If that doesn't help, then try putting 'APT::Cache-Limit 16777216;' in /etc/apt/apt.conf (create it if it doesn't exist) and trying again. Haven't tried this. After posting, I tried a number of things (brute force and ignorance) and eventually got 'update' to work by using:- 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib' (ie changing 'http' to 'ftp' and deleting 'non-free') However, I had to run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' five times before it stopped complaining, and by that time it had removed almost all kde pkgs and installed over 500mb of packages I didn't ask for. Mind you, I think I learned a lot about what was involved in the way of changed approaches. In my ignorance, I assumed that only those packages I had installed (I deliberately made only a minimal install) would be upgraded. Does this always happen, I wonder? If you need to do the second step, then please report that together with the complete contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list. We'll need to know this for the sarge release notes. The sources.list contained only the entries made during the install from the official 7 CD set, and the http security entry also created by the install program, plus the single line I inserted and then amended. Let me know if you think more information would be useful to you. Thanks for the reply, John. Cheers, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
where does uname get its info from ...etc
I got an unofficial snapshot .iso for Sarge, burned it to a CD and installed from the CD. The installaton was very basic, and I've been gradually and laboriously building it up by hand - this has been very educational and has taught me a great deal. Now as I was considering recompiling the kernel to my own requirements, I find the following:- --- a. 'uname -a' shows:- Linux Leary..co.uk 2.4.21 #2 Tue Aug 26 14:43:43 BST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux b. an extract from '/boot' shows:- 518609 Sep 5 19:25 System.map-2.4.22-1-386 512 Oct 28 20:33 boot.0340 42220 Sep 5 11:54 config-2.4.22-1-386 3383296 Oct 28 20:32 initrd.img-2.4.22-1-386 825011 Sep 5 19:25 vmlinuz-2.4.22-1-386 c. messages when booting include:- Sun Nov 9 15:46:05 2003: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.21/modules.dep (No such file or directory) Sun Nov 9 15:46:06 2003: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.21/modules.dep (No such file or directory) d. '/lib/modules' is:- drwxr-xr-x4 root root 4096 Oct 28 20:32 2.4.22-1-386 -rw-r--r--1 root root 5883 Oct 28 20:32 modprobe.conf - The kernel I selected for install was 2.4.22-1, so why does uname think it is 2.4.21? And, why is modprobe looking for modules for 2.4.21? I have done nothing to bring the above about - and didn't notice it before as I was concerned with other matters. Can anyone offer an explanation please. Regards, John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
another spam attack?
I'm successfully using popsneaker to knock unwanted stuff off the POP server - nothing now gets through. Looking at today's log, I see six attempted messages each with the identical size of 4194303.97KB and each from a different 'sender' were rejected (on the grounds of size). Presumably many others will have seen the same or similar. Purely as a matter of interest, does anyone know what they represent? regards,john. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: another spam attack?
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 10:01:52AM -0600, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 08:41 GMT, john gennard penned: I'm successfully using popsneaker to knock unwanted stuff off the POP server - nothing now gets through. Looking at today's log, I see six attempted messages each with the identical size of 4194303.97KB and each from a different 'sender' were rejected (on the grounds of size). Presumably many others will have seen the same or similar. Purely as a matter of interest, does anyone know what they represent? regards,john. 4194303.97KB you're getting emails that are 4 gigs big??? -- monique That is what seemed impossible to me. Monique, below are just two messages from my popsneaker log:- - 2003-10-24 09:08:31] Removing mail 109: [2003-10-24 09:08:31] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-24 09:08:31] From: Andrew Melvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-24 09:08:31] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-24 09:08:31] Subject: Phentermine can help you suppress your appetite and lose weight...FAST!mam7 [2003-10-24 09:08:31] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:15:20 + [2003-10-24 09:08:31] (D1) Reason: mail (4194303.97KB) is bigger than 138.36KB. -- 2003-10-24 09:08:31] Removing mail 113: [2003-10-24 09:08:31] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-24 09:08:31] From: Aurora McClendon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-24 09:08:31] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-24 09:08:31] Subject: Online Pharmacy - Lowest Prices - viagra and More! ...cs2my7 [2003-10-24 09:08:31] Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:46:24 + [2003-10-24 09:08:31] (D1) Reason: mail (4194303.97KB) is bigger than 138.36KB. Incidentally, there has also been a message from:- Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this subject which didn't make it through my filters. Could you please post it to the list Steve. Regards.john. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bootdisk
Some time ago someone posted a step by step response on how to created a floppy boot disk which contained lilo. I always boot from floppies without lilo, and now need to create one with lilo - I could do it if I had lilo which allowed me to boot from a harddisk, but I don't. I've searched the archives but have been unable to find the posting. I've just recompiled a kernel to allow me to use scsi emulation and find the cdrom drives are unusable (not valid devices) and I assume I need to use 'hdx=scsi'in lilo. Does anyone know where I can find the instructions? John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re nvidia drivers
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 07:56:32PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: john gennard wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: I have a self compiled kernel using 2.4.21 which was being Should be fine too. I just like using the package system for my machines. Just build the module with your kernel source and you should be fine. Where I went wrong seems to be at the following point. I don't understand the command - is there a typo? No typo. It looks fine to me. tar xzf nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz # /usr/src/modules/... Very many thanks, Bob, for your detailed response - I should be able to proceed when I understand the above line. tar xzf file.tar.gz x -- extract z -- gzip'd compressed f -- filename # a shell comment character. The rest of the line is ignored. 'tar' is one of those commands that does not take options. It takes arguments since they are not optional. 'tar' must have a command. So there are no '-' required. This is similar to 'ar' which 'tar' follows. A lot of the BSD based commands are like that. Look at 'ps' for another example. Although you may put a '-' before the command if you want and many people do. It is ignored for tar. That command will unpack the file into ./modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.2880/ in your current directory. The presence of files in modules will be detected by make-kpkg which will build them as modules automatically. This is an automated installer which will install the NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2880.tar.gz (partial) source directory. If you are compiling the kernel yourself then you will need to handle this yourself too. I have been using make-kpkg to the point I have forgotten how to do it otherwise. Bob I've succeeded now with no problems. As you implied everything is simple and painless when one understands basically what is going on. I do use 'make-kpkg' and had linux-2.4.21 as a directory under /usr/src, so from within that directory I used '# make-kpkg modules_image' and the correct version was appended and the module built. Oh! and I always do most work as user and 'su' to root for installation, in my circumstances I don't think I need to do more. Being well into my seventies and coming very late to this interest, I use some simple things which suit me including always booting from floppies (on both my boxes) and not using modules, compiling everything I need into the kernels. So I need to find out what I will need to do in future if, for instance, I want to upgrade a kernel. Again, Bob, many thanks for your assistance and help. Your installation guide I find easy to understand and follow - could it not be included in the -src debs to replace the existing documentation to help ignorami like me? Sincere regards,John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re nvidia drivers
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 01:16:08AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: [snip] Where does this next command say it installed the NVdriver file? Does that match your current kernel? dpkg -L nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123 | grep NVdriver This is one of the two problem areas your reply highlights. The nvidia-kernel is not installed - output of 'dpkg -l' is truncated and 'src' is missing. I feel stupid for Colin Watson pointed out the possibility some time ago and I 'forgot' the lesson. I have a self compiled kernel using 2.4.21 which was being looked for (and I thought had been found). Where I went wrong seems to be at the following point. I don't understand the command - is there a typo? tar xzf nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz # /usr/src/modules/... Very many thanks, Bob, for your detailed response - I should be able to proceed when I understand the above line. Regards,John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
boot disk error
I run Woody (3.0 r1), and always boot from a floppy and normally clear out /usr/src after compiling kernels and producing a boot floppy. Have just compiled 2.4.21 so that I can compile an nvidia module. I've probably compiled my own kernel over 20 times (using make-kpkg) and never had any difficulty booting. This time, however, I can't boot and get the error:- --- Loading .. Uncompressing Linux (some activity), then invalid compressed format (err=1) System halted --- I recompiled using a fresh .tar.bz2 and new freshly formatted floppy. The result is the same. Is there a change between 2.4.21 and 2.4.20 that causes the progam to prepare the floppy differently? Can anyone help please. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re nvidia drivers
I'm still trying to install nvidia drivers. I started by installing the .debs for nvidia-kernel-src and nvidia-glx-src and using the documentation then available. This I found somewhat confusing - nontheless I soldiered on. Eventually, I got 'nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123-4.deb' created and installed it with 'dpkg -i'. Then, I got the nvidia-glx*.deb created (wget seemed to be used to download something I thought I already had). 'dpkg -i' is unable to install the package because nvidia kernel is not installed. 'dpkg -l' shows:- ii nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123 NVIDIA binary kernel module ii nvidia-glx-src-1.0.3123 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver iU nvidia-glx-1.0.3123 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver Can anyone explain why the nvidia kernel cannot be seen? Grateful for assistance.John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
make menuconfig
Normally, I've used make config for kernel recompiling. I've decided to move a Woody installation to the 2.4.x kernels (2.4.21 in fact) and use make menuconfig so that I can 'go back' to alter mistakes. The compilation went fine (I thought), but when I looked at the config file I see menuconfig has changed two of my selections (my own fault for not checking before 'make dep' and 'make-kpkg'). How can I re-use menuconfig to alter just the two selections. I tried to run it again, but it uses the original defaults and not the selections I have already made. I recollect someone asking the same question some time ago, but I can't find the answer in the archives. Can anyone help, please. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 card
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 05:28:30PM +0200, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:20:07 +0200, john gennard wrote: [snip] _KDE_IceTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix should be set to root DCOPServer up and running. kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed kdeinit: sending SIGHUP to children. KLauncher: Exiting on signal 1 kdeinit: sending SIGTERM to children. kdeinit: Exit. client killed could be an authentication problem. I don't use KDE, so this is just guesswork. When the login sceen appears, press Alt-F1, and I need Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get a console. login as root. Then, type DISPLAY=:0 xhost + This gives the error messages:- - Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorised to connect to server. xhost: unable to open display :0 Go back to X via Alt-F7, and then try to login. If that works, we're having authentication troubles. Alt-F7 goes back to X but the graphic login problem is the same. The .xsession-errors log file is still the same as that at the top. There were no login problems before. All I have done is physically replace a Graphics card and re-run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' selecting the 'vesa' driver. When asked 'use kernel framebuffer device interface?', I answered 'yes' - I suppose I could re-run and answer 'no' to see if that has any effect. And I could replace my Voodoo Banshee card to confirm the graphic log still works, but the problem will still remain. Once again, many thanks for the trouble you are taking over this. Regards,John. -- Best Regards, | Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into Sebastian | your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 card
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 09:44:25AM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 04:30:22PM +0100, john gennard wrote: Booting gets to a screen (after a pause and some horizontal lines. The screen eventually appears normal and the kdm login appears, looking normal. The mouse works, so I can opt for user or root, and the keyboard allows me to enter the passwords. Pressing 'enter', however, doesn't launch kde, it merely loops back to an empty login screen. If I enter a console and run 'startx', this fails with a error message saying 'server running - remove lock file etc'. But there's no lock file in /tmp to remove. What does ls -la /tmp return? --- total 36 drwxrwxrwt9 root root 4096 Jul 19 09:19 . drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 Jul 19 2003 .. drwxrwxrwx2 john john 4096 Jul 19 09:19 .ICE-unix -r--r--r--1 root root 11 Jul 19 09:19 .X0-lock drwxrwxrwt2 root root 4096 Jul 19 09:19 .X11-unix drwxrwxrwt2 root root 4096 Jul 19 09:09 .font-unix drwx--2 john john 4096 Jul 19 09:19 kde-john drwx--2 root root 4096 Jul 19 09:13 kde-root drwx--2 john john 4096 Jul 19 09:19 ksocket-john drwx--2 root root 4096 Jul 19 09:13 ksocket-root -- But, I assure you '.X0-lock' was not there when I looked on a previous boot attempt. It now contains only '441'. When X loops back the login manager, there is normally an error listed in the ~/.xsession-errors for the user that can't log in. Does this file contain anything? Yes, the following:- _KDE_IceTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix should be set to root DCOPServer up and running. kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed kdeinit: sending SIGHUP to children. KLauncher: Exiting on signal 1 kdeinit: sending SIGTERM to children. kdeinit: Exit. Yet another puzzle (at least to me) - on my other box where Woody works normally, /tmp/.ICE-unix is not set to root, it's set exactly the same as here - i.e. john (user). From Sebastian Kapfe's latest posting it seems that I have compiled DEVPTS_FS into my kernels and this is not the same as DEVFS. Could this be the answer? I can easily recompile. I've had a look at Knoppix, and that has DEVFS. Also, I note it avoids my problem by using Xserver-xfree86= 4.3.0-0ds4, calls the card 'generic' and uses the 'nv' driver. I'm very grateful for all the interest and help. I would like to solve this - I may learn something. Regards, John. Jamin W. Collins This is the typical unix way of doing things: you string together lots of very specific tools to accomplish larger tasks. -- Vineet Kumar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 card
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 10:07:30PM +0200, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:40:13 +0200, john gennard wrote: The EE lines are pointing to references to a mouse set up on a DEVFS system. You may not be running that... Are your disk drives referred to /dev/hdaX, where X is a number, or a longer, more informative designation ?? I have CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS compiled into all my kernels, presume this is what you refer to. No. devpts is a precursor of devfs. More info is somewhere in the kernel doc packages. (Documentation/filesystems) Thanks, if this points to the reason for my problem, I'll recompile now. If not I'll do it later. See my response to Jamin W. Collin who asked for some more info. Regards, John. -- Best Regards, | Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into Sebastian | your ~/.signature to help me spread! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 card
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:27:11PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: At 08:11 PM 7/17/2003 +0100, john gennard wrote: (**) Option Device /dev/psaux (**) Option Device /dev/input/mice (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device. (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device Generic Mouse The EE lines are pointing to references to a mouse set up on a DEVFS system. You may not be running that... Are your disk drives referred to /dev/hdaX, where X is a number, or a longer, more informative designation ?? I have CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS compiled into all my kernels, presume this is what you refer to. My disks are referred to as /dev/hda and /dev/hdb, with partitions hda2 to hda6 and hdb8 in use for Woody. Edit your XF86Config file and change the references to \dev\input\mice to \dev\psaux. In view of other advice, I haven't tried this. Thanks, John. Good luck Hall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 card
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 01:41:31PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:27:11PM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote: At 08:11 PM 7/17/2003 +0100, john gennard wrote: (**) Option Device /dev/psaux (**) Option Device /dev/input/mice (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device. (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit failed for input device Generic Mouse The EE lines are pointing to references to a mouse set up on a DEVFS system. You may not be running that... Are your disk drives referred to /dev/hdaX, where X is a number, or a longer, more informative designation ?? Edit your XF86Config file and change the references to \dev\input\mice to \dev\psaux. Based on the copied output, /dev/psaux is already there and loaded. The default XF86Config-4 seems to include to mouse definitions, /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice. I have both in my config and have seen no problems from them. This is the position on a second box, and there are no problems there. However, as I mentioned that has an old S3 card and doesn't use 'vesa' Thanks,John. -- Jamin W. Collins To be nobody but yourself when the whole world is trying it's best night and day to make you everybody else is to fight the hardest battle any human being will fight. -- E.E. Cummings -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce4 card
On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 09:41:38PM +0100, John Stevenson wrote: Try one of the following: a) Change the Generic Mouse protocol to ImPS/2 It is already that. b) Change the Configured Mouse to point to /dev/psaux It is already that. c) If you have a Logitec Mouse, try use the MouseManPlusPS/2 protocol. I don't have a Logitec mouse. Thanks for trying to help. John. Johnny. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
