Re: Domain name to use on home networks

2023-10-25 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 8:14 AM Marco M. wrote: > > Am 25.10.2023 um 07:25:45 Uhr schrieb gene heskett: > > > Is there an RFC number for this already? > > ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc8375.html This is so interesting (to me). I can't believe I missed that RFC... >From the Abstract:

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

2023-10-25 Thread Pocket
Sent from my iPad > On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Marco M. wrote: > > Am 25.10.2023 um 12:17:40 Uhr schrieb Joe: > >>> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:01:18 + >>> Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I see lots of people in this sub-thread arguing for >>>

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

2023-10-25 Thread Marco M.
Am 25.10.2023 um 07:25:45 Uhr schrieb gene heskett: > Is there an RFC number for this already? ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc8375.html

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

2023-10-25 Thread Marco M.
Am 25.10.2023 um 12:17:40 Uhr schrieb Joe: > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:01:18 + > Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > > > > > > I see lots of people in this sub-thread arguing for > > cobbled-together, "it works for me for now and if it breaks I'll > > just fix it later" style

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

2023-10-25 Thread gene heskett
On 10/25/23 05:01, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 25 Oct 2023 07:32 +0200, from m...@dorfdsl.de (Marco M.): TLD '.lan' works. As best I can tell on the web, it doesn't exist. Is it intended for that? No? Then don't use it. It can be used in the future for public domains. Exactly. I see lots

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

2023-10-25 Thread Joe
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:01:18 + Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > > I see lots of people in this sub-thread arguing for cobbled-together, > "it works for me for now and if it breaks I'll just fix it later" > style solutions. > > Not arguing about anything else, but this

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

2023-10-25 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 25 Oct 2023 07:32 +0200, from m...@dorfdsl.de (Marco M.): >> TLD '.lan' works. As best I can tell on the web, it doesn't exist. > > Is it intended for that? > No? > Then don't use it. It can be used in the future for public domains. Exactly. I see lots of people in this sub-thread arguing

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-25 Thread Erwan David
Le 25/10/2023 à 03:47, David Wright a écrit : On Mon 23 Oct 2023 at 12:06:05 (+0200), Christian Groessler wrote: On 10/23/23 07:29, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:24 AM ghe2001 wrote: How about a /29 or so, named "here.", hosts named 2 or 3 letter abbreviations of what you

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-24 Thread Marco M.
Am 25.10.2023 um 03:40:46 Uhr schrieb ghe2001: > TLD '.lan' works. As best I can tell on the web, it doesn't exist. Is it intended for that? No? Then don't use it. It can be used in the future for public domains.

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-24 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, October 24th, 2023 at 7:47 PM, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 23 Oct 2023 at 12:06:05 (+0200), Christian Groessler wrote: > > > On 10/23/23 07:29, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > > Just register a

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-24 Thread David Wright
On Mon 23 Oct 2023 at 12:06:05 (+0200), Christian Groessler wrote: > On 10/23/23 07:29, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:24 AM ghe2001 wrote: > > > > > > How about a /29 or so, named "here.", hosts named 2 or 3 > > > letter abbreviations of what you call the computers, with

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread gene heskett
On 10/23/23 16:35, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:33:47PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 10/22/23 20:48, Greg Wooledge wrote: Any issues you've encountered have been the result of misconfiguration. You have repeatedly shown errors in your config files, and once those have

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread gene heskett
On 10/23/23 14:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 12:12:50PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: Google seems to have high jacked port 80 https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/0a8b96aa-8630-ee5c-5135-59221c55b...@shentel.net They have, chromium, the google browser, absolutely cannot be

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:33:47PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 10/22/23 20:48, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Any issues you've encountered have been the result of misconfiguration. > > You have repeatedly shown errors in your config files, and once those > > have been corrected, everything

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 02:09:31PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 12:12:50PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > Google seems to have high jacked port 80 > > > > > > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/0a8b96aa-8630-ee5c-5135-59221c55b...@shentel.net > > > > > They have,

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 12:12:50PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > Google seems to have high jacked port 80 > > > > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/0a8b96aa-8630-ee5c-5135-59221c55b...@shentel.net > > > They have, chromium, the google browser, absolutely cannot be sent to >

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 22:55, Max Nikulin wrote: On 23/10/2023 04:43, gene heskett wrote: As I keep repeating Dan, there is not a local dns, its all a 15 entry hosts file atm. So that cannot bite /me/. It can. Some day .den TLD may be registered and chosen by a 3d printer manufacturer. It might

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 --- Original Message --- On Sunday, October 22nd, 2023 at 11:29 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > Whatever you come up with for , ICANN can add to the > > gTLD namespace; see https://icannwiki.org/Brand_TLD. > > > The DNS queries for

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 22:37, John Hasler wrote: Gene writes: This is generally true, Greg, and I get that, but every new version, which should just continue what works, doesn't cuz somebody moved a config file and last years fix doesn't work this year. And you can't ask for help when its not working. So

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 23:08, Stefan Monnier wrote: This is generally true, Greg, and I get that, but every new version, which should just continue what works, doesn't cuz somebody moved a config file and last years fix doesn't work this year. And you can't ask for help when its not working. So YOU have

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread Christian Groessler
On 10/23/23 07:29, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:24 AM ghe2001 wrote: How about a /29 or so, named "here.", hosts named 2 or 3 letter abbreviations of what you call the computers, with unroutable IPs, DNS'ed in /etc/hosts (with shortcuts). Whatever you come up with for ,

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/10/2023 09:59, Stefan Monnier wrote: I can relate to Gene's feelings since there's been indeed some churn over the years, but `/etc/hosts` seems like an odd example because this one is among the most stable part of Unix/Linux. Gene's issue was with resolv.conf and he was refusing Greg's

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:24 AM ghe2001 wrote: > > How about a /29 or so, named "here.", hosts named 2 or 3 > letter abbreviations of what you call the computers, with unroutable IPs, > DNS'ed in /etc/hosts (with shortcuts). Whatever you come up with for , ICANN can add to the gTLD namespace;

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> This is generally true, Greg, and I get that, but every new version, >> which should just continue what works, doesn't cuz somebody moved a >> config file and last years fix doesn't work this year. And you can't >> ask for help when its not working. So YOU have to fix it based of what >> YOU

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/10/2023 04:43, gene heskett wrote: As I keep repeating Dan, there is not a local dns, its all a 15 entry hosts file atm. So that cannot bite /me/. It can. Some day .den TLD may be registered and chosen by a 3d printer manufacturer. It might happen that you would not be able to access

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > This is generally true, Greg, and I get that, but every new version, > which should just continue what works, doesn't cuz somebody moved a > config file and last years fix doesn't work this year. And you can't > ask for help when its not working. So YOU have to fix it based of what

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 20:48, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 08:36:53PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: What really bugs me is when the maintainers forget there are hosts file users, and do something that totally screws us up, Gene, you're being irrational again. "Hosts file only" systems have

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 08:36:53PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > What really bugs me is when the maintainers forget there are hosts file > users, and do something that totally screws us up, Gene, you're being irrational again. "Hosts file only" systems have been supported since before Debian

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 18:45, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address block is. Gene writes: If that is an insult, so be it. I just meant to explain that though it is not a solution to your problem, it is a solution to a problem some other

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 How about a /29 or so, named "here.", hosts named 2 or 3 letter abbreviations of what you call the computers, with unroutable IPs, DNS'ed in /etc/hosts (with shortcuts). Works here... -- Glenn English -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version:

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address > block is. Gene writes: > If that is an insult, so be it. I just meant to explain that though it is not a solution to your problem, it is a solution to a problem some other people have. -- John Hasler

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 14:19, John Hasler wrote: Gene writes: Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use whatever domainname that tickles your fancy when your net is in an un-routeable address block. It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address block is.

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm:NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 14:17, Dan Ritter wrote: gene heskett wrote: On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375 Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 2:33 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > gene heskett wrote: > > On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375 > > > > > Chuckle. Looks like a

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

2023-10-22 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 22 Oct 2023 13:13 -0500, from j...@sugarbit.com (John Hasler): > It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address > block is. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7788 RFC 8375 section 1: "Although this document makes specific reference to [RFC7788], it is not

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Dan Ritter
gene heskett wrote: > On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> > > wrote: > > > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375 > > > Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use whatever > domainname

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > Chuckle. Looks like a solution looking for a problem. You can use > whatever domainname that tickles your fancy when your net is in an > un-routeable address block. It's for people who haven't a clue as to what a domainname or address block is.

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread gene heskett
On 10/22/23 11:19, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: It's fairly recent (RFC 8375, May 2018) but this type of usage is pretty much exactly what home.arpa is meant for. https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8375 Chuckle.

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 7:13 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > > On 21 Oct 2023 17:13 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): > > Why would I register a domain name for an internal network? > > Any name will do. You could make the same argument if you just > > makeup a

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Pocket
On 10/22/23 07:13, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 21 Oct 2023 17:13 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): Why would I register a domain name for an internal network? Any name will do. You could make the same argument if you just makeup a domain to use as it could already be registered or

Re: Domain name to use on home networks; was: Bookworm: NetworkManager

2023-10-22 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 21 Oct 2023 17:13 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): > Why would I register a domain name for an internal network? > Any name will do. You could make the same argument if you just > makeup a domain to use as it could already be registered or someone > my register it in the future. >

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