Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-09 Thread Stefan Nobis
Dave McFadden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If MS is successful at 'embracing and extending' Java, then HTML, TCP/IP and the OSS world will soon feel the suffocating arms of MS wrapped around them. Hey, don't forget some people even managed to decode SMB for NT in the SAMBA project. If MS really

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-09 Thread Leandro GFC Dutra
Stefan Nobis wrote: Dave McFadden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If MS is successful at 'embracing and extending' Java, then HTML, TCP/IP and the OSS world will soon feel the suffocating arms of MS wrapped around them. How does HTML and TCP/IP depends on Java? Java will only be

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 06:48:31AM -0500, John Forest wrote: While all this cloak and dagger stuff makes for good entertainment, I believe the following link sums up my feeling on this a lot better then I could. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit19981105.html He makes the point that

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-07 Thread Dave McFadden
At 11:46 PM 11/7/98 +1100, Hamish Moffat wisely observed: He makes the point that IBM developed Token Ring to decommodize Ethernet. That may be true, but Token Ring was a better system than Ethernet. As MCA is/was better than ISA. Both of these lost out because they required licensing. Is there

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread stick
Richard E. Hawkins Esq. said chuck asked, Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or not it's from MS, and if it is it it truly confidential? Is the Wall Street Journal a good enough

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread G. Crimp
On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 09:28:45AM -0200, Vera Lucia Mazzocchi wrote: Hi, I was thinking if this document wasn't released purposely, that is, let them know only what we want they know and let's see what they think about. Seems to me that M$ might be playing with us, releasing such

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread G. Crimp
On Thu, Nov 05, 1998 at 05:02:43PM +, Thomas Lakofski wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or not it's from MS, and if it is it

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Nathan E Norman
On 6 Nov 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: : : A == AJT60 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : A On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: : : M$ had confirmed, that this document is a M$ memo. See slashdot for : the pointer. : : A Also, it's unlikely that this was deliberatly leaked

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread G. Crimp
On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 12:25:27PM +1300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, it's unlikely that this was deliberatly leaked by microsoft (IMHO), because it's not exactly good publicity for them. Far more PR damage is possible because of (admittedly somewhat backhanded) admissions of how well

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Martin Bialasinski
NEN == Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEN Never assume that people, especially management, are rational. Well, I am studying economics. I hope me and others can turn this around sometime in the future :-) This semester, I have lectures in decision theory. On base of rational

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Jiri Baum
Hello, rick wrote: chuck asked, Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this ... There's enough in there contrary to the ms party line that it's quite clear that it's confidential. Just because it's confidential doesn't mean it wasn't leaked intentionally...

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Jiri Baum
Hello, George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Jiri Baum wrote: ... [extra level of indenting still Jiri] While this appears at first sight to be a classic play out of the Microsoft handbook, there is a subtle but very important distinction. By releasing the source

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on why MS is in trouble from OpenSource OSes like Linux

1998-11-06 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 12:09:54PM +0100, Roberto Ripio wrote: El Wed, 04 Nov 1998, Chad A. Adlawan escribió: http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html Very interesting. I can't believe they describe Gimp 1.0 as Paintbrush. At least they weren't stupid enough to say nasty things about

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 11:14:47AM +, Jiri Baum wrote: Just because it's confidential doesn't mean it wasn't leaked intentionally... Say with a view of getting some feedback on their analysis from us. Perhaps unlikely, but possible. Indeed. The memo mentions that they have list archives

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-06 Thread John Forest
Hi, While all this cloak and dagger stuff makes for good entertainment, I believe the following link sums up my feeling on this a lot better then I could. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit19981105.html Got that from http://slashdot.org John.

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Jiri Baum
Hello, Roberto Ripio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | El Wed, 04 Nov 1998, Chad A. Adlawan escribi¢: ... | This is an excellent doc that was leaked out of MS on the future | issue of Open Source OSes like Linux, etc. The hosting WWW site ... | As published, the document is edited by Eric S. Raymond,

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Vera Lucia Mazzocchi
Hi, I was thinking if this document wasn't released purposely, that is, let them know only what we want they know and let's see what they think about. Seems to me that M$ might be playing with us, releasing such document, or allowing somebody to have access and releasing it.

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread stick
Vera Lucia Mazzocchi said Hi, I was thinking if this document wasn't released purposely, that is, let them know only what we want they know and let's see what they think about. Seems to me that M$ might be playing with us, releasing such document, or allowing somebody to have

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Thomas Lakofski
On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or not it's from MS, and if it is it it truly confidential? It was confirmed by MS. See slashdot.org

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
chuck asked, Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or not it's from MS, and if it is it it truly confidential? Is the Wall Street Journal a good enough source? :) Tuesday morning's WSJ

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread Martin Bialasinski
s == stick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: s Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this s has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or s not it's from MS, and if it is it it truly confidential? M$ had confirmed, that this document is a M$

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on

1998-11-05 Thread AJT60
On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Martin Bialasinski wrote: s == stick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: s Me too! I'm usually a very cautious person...How do we *know* that this s has even originated from MicroSoft? So there is the issue of whether or s not it's from MS, and if it is it it truly

[Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on why MS is in trouble from OpenSource OSes like Linux

1998-11-04 Thread Chad A. Adlawan
Hi everyone ! Anyway, i glanced on this one from David Ranch's page and some of you might be intersted in reading it. Cheers, Chad This is an excellent doc that was leaked out of MS on the future issue of Open Source OSes like Linux, etc. The

Re: [Off Topic] An EXCELLENT Microsoft Confidential document on why MS is in trouble from OpenSource OSes like Linux

1998-11-04 Thread Roberto Ripio
El Wed, 04 Nov 1998, Chad A. Adlawan escribió: Hi everyone ! Anyway, i glanced on this one from David Ranch's page and some of you might be intersted in reading it. This is an excellent doc that was leaked out of MS on the future issue of Open