Re: Mail Transfer Agent
On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Hi, I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with my web hosting plan) ... ... would you have any suggestion for a service ? On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, David Christensen wrote: I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane Electric for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service: he.net On 8/21/22 09:26, Karen Lewellen wrote: > David, > I am sure you are respecting security, but can we have a way to > research hurricane electrics mail shell options? > Thanks, Yes, you can -- browse Hurricane Electric's web site and/or contact sales. David
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On Sunday, August 21, 2022 01:09:09 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > Well, if we are going to plug services, shellworld is fantastic! > Even under new management service remains profoundly wonderful. > My personal site is hosted here too, with my paying $60 for both > accounts. Is that shellworld.net? I don't find anything at shellworld.com, and what I get on the homepage of shellworld.net is not very helpful -- doesn't seem to lead me to any list of features or way to sign up. -- rhk If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma included at no charge.) If you change topics, change the Subject: line. Writing is often meant for others to read (legal agreements excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including liberal use of whitespace. If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any response you add will be helpful or not ... A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original.
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suppose that applies to Jude as well. On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, john doe wrote: On 8/21/2022 8:30 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Can you stop hijacking this thread and stop promoting your own interest. -- John Doe
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On 8/21/2022 8:30 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Can you stop hijacking this thread and stop promoting your own interest. -- John Doe
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Wow, that is profoundly unfortunate. Did you ever investigate via the admin at the time? Have been with shellworld more than 20 years now. makes me wonder if that was back in the block an address suspected, even with no reason, days? Microsoft did that to me to hotmail, and the admin at the time for shellworld worked with me to fix that issue. Karen On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote: After I got blacklisted on shellworld.net I moved on to panix.com with much dislocation some of which took me a couple years to correct. The blacklisting wasn't done by shellworld.net either. I found out about the blacklisting by looking my shellworld.net address up with google and the one that posted this information did so on gmane. Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well, if we are going to plug services, shellworld is fantastic! Even under new management service remains profoundly wonderful. My personal site is hosted here too, with my paying $60 for both accounts. Not to cast a cloud on Jude's suggestion below, but my personal efforts to explore Panix were quite reprehensible, hinting that perhaps new clients, depending on circumstances, may not enjoy comparative service. Karen On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote: I have had a telnet account with panix.com I think for 8 years and service has been excellent. Webmail is also available for those that want it. Telnet accounts here cost $100 per year. I chose telnet since I do better with cli than gui. Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, David Christensen wrote: On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Hi, I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged. As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any suggestion for a service ? I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20 per day at most. I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery ranking. I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? Thanks I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane Electric for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service: he.net David
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After I got blacklisted on shellworld.net I moved on to panix.com with much dislocation some of which took me a couple years to correct. The blacklisting wasn't done by shellworld.net either. I found out about the blacklisting by looking my shellworld.net address up with google and the one that posted this information did so on gmane. Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Well, if we are going to plug services, shellworld is fantastic! > Even under new management service remains profoundly wonderful. > My personal site is hosted here too, with my paying $60 for both accounts. > Not to cast a cloud on Jude's suggestion below, but my personal efforts to > explore Panix were quite reprehensible, hinting that perhaps new clients, > depending on circumstances, may not enjoy comparative service. > Karen > > > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > I have had a telnet account with panix.com I think for 8 years and service > > has been excellent. Webmail is also available for those that want it. > > Telnet accounts here cost $100 per year. I chose telnet since I do better > > with cli than gui. > > > > > > Jude "There are four boxes to be used in > > defense of liberty: > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > > > > . > > > > On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, David Christensen wrote: > > > >> On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with > >>> my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has > >>> started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I > >>> believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged. > >>> > >>> As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any > >>> suggestion for a service ? > >>> > >>> I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20 > >>> per day at most. > >>> > >>> I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery > >>> ranking. > >>> > >>> I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix > >>> all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with > >>> Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >> > >> > >> I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane > >> Electric > >> for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service: > >> > >> he.net > >> > >> > >> David > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >
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On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 12:39:18PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > I have had a telnet account with panix.com I think for 8 years and service > has been excellent. Webmail is also available for those that want it. > Telnet accounts here cost $100 per year. I chose telnet since I do better > with cli than gui. Please tell me that "telnet account" is a historical term, and that you actually use ssh to access it.
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Well, if we are going to plug services, shellworld is fantastic! Even under new management service remains profoundly wonderful. My personal site is hosted here too, with my paying $60 for both accounts. Not to cast a cloud on Jude's suggestion below, but my personal efforts to explore Panix were quite reprehensible, hinting that perhaps new clients, depending on circumstances, may not enjoy comparative service. Karen On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote: I have had a telnet account with panix.com I think for 8 years and service has been excellent. Webmail is also available for those that want it. Telnet accounts here cost $100 per year. I chose telnet since I do better with cli than gui. Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, David Christensen wrote: On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Hi, I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged. As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any suggestion for a service ? I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20 per day at most. I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery ranking. I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? Thanks I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane Electric for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service: he.net David
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I have had a telnet account with panix.com I think for 8 years and service has been excellent. Webmail is also available for those that want it. Telnet accounts here cost $100 per year. I chose telnet since I do better with cli than gui. Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, David Christensen wrote: > On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with > > my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has > > started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I > > believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged. > > > > As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any > > suggestion for a service ? > > > > I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20 > > per day at most. > > > > I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery ranking. > > > > I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix > > all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with > > Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? > > > > Thanks > > > I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane Electric > for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service: > > he.net > > > David > > >
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David, I am sure you are respecting security, but can we have a way to research hurricane electrics mail shell options? Thanks, On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, David Christensen wrote: On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Hi, I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged. As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any suggestion for a service ? I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20 per day at most. I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery ranking. I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? Thanks I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane Electric for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service: he.net David
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On 8/20/22 23:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Hi, I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged. As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any suggestion for a service ? I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20 per day at most. I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery ranking. I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? Thanks I have had a domain host plan (DNS, WWW, mail, shell) with Hurricane Electric for 20 years or so, and am pleased with their service: he.net David
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Eskimo.com is $7/month for mail + Linux shell access (multiple servers, various distributions including Debian). * Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside [22-08/21=Su 02:36 -0400]: > Hi, > I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with > my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has > started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I > believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged. > > As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any > suggestion for a service ? > > I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20 > per day at most. > > I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery ranking. > > I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix > all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with > Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? > > Thanks > -- > Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside > -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will > fix all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain > with Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? It's always better to get a paid plan. I've been using Pobox for a year or so and I'm quite pleased with the service. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2022, mick.crane wrote: > On 2022-08-21 07:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will >> fix >> all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with >> Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? > > People have recommended posteo.de > They seem reliable and painless. > mick > I used posteo.de for a year. Dropped it in favor of protonmail. Been using them for about 2 years and very happy.
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Hi Polyna-Maude, * Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside [2022-08-21; 02:36]: > I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with > my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has > started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I > believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged. > > As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any > suggestion for a service ? > > I don't want to pay a huge fee as I don't send much email. Maybe 10-20 > per day at most. > > I was looking on Postmark because it seems to have a good delivery ranking. > > I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix > all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with > Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? Thomas already mentioned mailbox.org. If you want to send email with an email address in the From: header which is your own (your own domain after the @ sign), as I think you do now, then that is possible with mailbox.org, but only with their "Standard" plan (3,- EUR / month) or above: https://kb.mailbox.org/en/business/e-mail-article/using-e-mail-addresses-of-your-domain In order for mailbox.org to know that you own your domain you have to set txt records for your domain. Later for the system to work you have to (at least) set spf records for your domain. At my job I use this service of theirs and so far it works great. Ciao; Gregor -- -... --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ...-.-
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On 2022-08-21 07:36, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: I'd like a good email provider, as I ain't sure this (Postmark) will fix all my delivery problem. Would it be better to get a paying plain with Protonmail, who do offer a plan with IMAP/SMTP ? People have recommended posteo.de They seem reliable and painless. mick
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On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 02:36:15AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > I'm having problem with my actuel email provider (the one that goes with > my web hosting plan). It deals badly with mailing list and now has > started to having delivery problem to email hosted by outlook.com . I > believe their email server (SMTP) are being badly flagged. FWIW, every normal person has issues delivering to the Microsofties (outlook.com, hotmail.com). They are like that [0]. > As many of you are long term server and TI operator, would you have any > suggestion for a service ? I usually recommend posteo.de [1]. Not affiliated in any way, but I know quite a few happy users. Also mailbox.org [2]. Cheers [0] A friend of mine works as admin for an academic site. The name and IP addresses come from academic resources. Outlook was bouncing their mails until he started bouncing Outlook's mails: when the people on the other side complained, he directed them to complain to their provider, Outlook. That worked. [1] https://posteo.de/en [2] https://mailbox.org/en/ -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail transfer agent (debian-user-digest Digest V2020 #932)
On Wed 30 Sep 2020 at 23:26:20 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 26 Sep 2020 at 10:50:11 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > It ought to—I have no idea whether mutt can even use it, though > > > I suppose it's possible—but AIUI the file belongs to exim4-config. > > > It "needs" a dot to prevent your being nagged about its lack, and > > > having an @ in it could screw up any use exim makes of it. > > > (I use it to set exim's HELO.) So I thought it best to mention it. > > > > As far as I recall[1] /etc/mailname is Debian specific[2], to be used by > > all softwares (typically MTAs and some MUAs like mutt) that need a > > domain part to construct a full e-mail address, when one isn't provided. > > > > [1] too lazy to check where it's documented, quite likely in Debian Policy > > [2] as in Debian specific patches to support it > > Your ¹ is correct. Specifically, from > > file:///usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/ch-customized-programs.html#mail-transport-delivery-and-user-agents > > If your package needs to know what hostname to use on (for > example) outgoing news and mail messages which are generated > locally, you should use the file /etc/mailname. It will contain > the portion after the username and @ (at) sign for email addresses > of users on the machine (followed by a newline). > > Such a package should check for the existence of this file when it > is being configured. If it exists, it should be used without > comment, although an MTA’s configuration script may wish to prompt > the user even if it finds that this file exists. If the file does > not exist, the package should prompt the user for the value > (preferably using debconf) and store it in /etc/mailname as well > as using it in the package’s configuration. The prompt should make > it clear that the name will not just be used by that package. For > example, in this situation the inn package could say something > like: > > Please enter the "mail name" of your system. This is the > hostname portion of the address to be shown on outgoing news and > mail messages. The default is syshostname, your system's host name. > > Mail name ["syshostname"]: > > where syshostname is the output of hostname --fqdn. exim4 says: The 'mail name' is the domain name used to 'qualify' mail addresses without a domain name. Sending to brian or cc'ing or bcc'ing brian would go to br...@axis.corp. I interpret the above to apply to email addresses *only*. EHLO (HELO) would not be involved. > So on this system, its value is axis.corp, which you can see in the > header of this email. It certainly shouldn't be an email address, > containing a local part and @. Correct. Users do do that; most of the time it hasn't any consequence because they do not send to or cc brian. The complete address is used. > > I wasn't aware that there is a (somewhat old) wiki page which is > supposed to list all the MTAs (which I understand as including > programs which submit mail using SMTP) and how they interpret > /etc/mailname. For some reason, mutt is treated under the heading > for exim4. Half a dozen headings have no information listed, and > I don't know whether there are packages/programs missing altogether. I've always been aware of that page. The exim4 documentation is more useful, however. > There are at least three or four important fields that involve various > interpretations of "from-ness": EHLO, envelope (MAIL_FROM), From: > and Sender:. (That's ignoring Resent* and so on.) How these relate > to each other is not straightforward, particularly for home users' > machines, and their values can be an important factor in whether > their emails make it into the Internet and on to their destination. > What works for one person may not for another. (That's also > ignoring intranet emails.) exim4 gets the EHLO from /etc/hosts, not /etc/mailname. -- Brian.
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On Sat 26 Sep 2020 at 10:50:11 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > It ought to—I have no idea whether mutt can even use it, though > > I suppose it's possible—but AIUI the file belongs to exim4-config. > > It "needs" a dot to prevent your being nagged about its lack, and > > having an @ in it could screw up any use exim makes of it. > > (I use it to set exim's HELO.) So I thought it best to mention it. > > As far as I recall[1] /etc/mailname is Debian specific[2], to be used by > all softwares (typically MTAs and some MUAs like mutt) that need a > domain part to construct a full e-mail address, when one isn't provided. > > [1] too lazy to check where it's documented, quite likely in Debian Policy > [2] as in Debian specific patches to support it Your ¹ is correct. Specifically, from file:///usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/ch-customized-programs.html#mail-transport-delivery-and-user-agents If your package needs to know what hostname to use on (for example) outgoing news and mail messages which are generated locally, you should use the file /etc/mailname. It will contain the portion after the username and @ (at) sign for email addresses of users on the machine (followed by a newline). Such a package should check for the existence of this file when it is being configured. If it exists, it should be used without comment, although an MTA’s configuration script may wish to prompt the user even if it finds that this file exists. If the file does not exist, the package should prompt the user for the value (preferably using debconf) and store it in /etc/mailname as well as using it in the package’s configuration. The prompt should make it clear that the name will not just be used by that package. For example, in this situation the inn package could say something like: Please enter the "mail name" of your system. This is the hostname portion of the address to be shown on outgoing news and mail messages. The default is syshostname, your system's host name. Mail name ["syshostname"]: where syshostname is the output of hostname --fqdn. So on this system, its value is axis.corp, which you can see in the header of this email. It certainly shouldn't be an email address, containing a local part and @. I wasn't aware that there is a (somewhat old) wiki page which is supposed to list all the MTAs (which I understand as including programs which submit mail using SMTP) and how they interpret /etc/mailname. For some reason, mutt is treated under the heading for exim4. Half a dozen headings have no information listed, and I don't know whether there are packages/programs missing altogether. There are at least three or four important fields that involve various interpretations of "from-ness": EHLO, envelope (MAIL_FROM), From: and Sender:. (That's ignoring Resent* and so on.) How these relate to each other is not straightforward, particularly for home users' machines, and their values can be an important factor in whether their emails make it into the Internet and on to their destination. What works for one person may not for another. (That's also ignoring intranet emails.) Having decided on their values, it's also non-trivial to work out how to set each one: the documentation is widely scattered and sometimes missing. It would be a help to have a wiki page that consolidated that information. Cheers, David.
Re: Mail transfer agent (debian-user-digest Digest V2020 #932)
> > It ought to—I have no idea whether mutt can even use it, though > I suppose it's possible—but AIUI the file belongs to exim4-config. > It "needs" a dot to prevent your being nagged about its lack, and > having an @ in it could screw up any use exim makes of it. > (I use it to set exim's HELO.) So I thought it best to mention it. As far as I recall[1] /etc/mailname is Debian specific[2], to be used by all softwares (typically MTAs and some MUAs like mutt) that need a domain part to construct a full e-mail address, when one isn't provided. [1] too lazy to check where it's documented, quite likely in Debian Policy [2] as in Debian specific patches to support it Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail transfer agent (debian-user-digest Digest V2020 #932)
On Fri 25 Sep 2020 at 13:26:54 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 25 sep 20, 00:38:25, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 25 Sep 2020 at 03:40:16 (+), mike.junk...@att.net wrote: > > > > > Trying to get mutt to send mail I've got this in .muttrc: > > > > > > set smtp_pass="myPasswd" > > > # set smtp_url="smtp[s]://[user[:pass]@]host[:port]" > > > # set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:587" > > > set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:587/" > > > > I don't know the effect of specifying your password in both places. > > (I believe the idea behind smtp_pass is so that it can be placed in > > a separate, protected file.) > > > > I would expect the loginname (user above) to include a domain, > > ie it's usually an email address. (Mine always have been.) > > Not necessarily, just very common. However, suddenlink seems to require > the full e-mail address as well. > > https://help.suddenlink.com/knowledge/microsoft-outlook-set-your-suddenlink-email AIUI there are many services that might be using, say, foobar.net for home users and foobar.com for businesses, with the possibility of identical local parts in each domain, all submitting through the one host. > > I don't think suddenlink.net accepts mail; smtp.suddenlink.net does. > > > > I omit the port number 587 as it's the default. > > Can't find any mention of this in neomuttrc(5), care to provide a > source? Memory fart: as Reco points out, that's not so, and in fact my original reply included the 587, because I copied/pasted/edited¹ my own ordinary parameters. In this later thread, by chance, I used my extraordinary ISP parameters² where I hadn't included the port. I followed the link above, and they recommend 465, which I think uses implicit TLS encryption. They obviously support TLS on 587 (and who knows about 25), but I would recommend that the OP includes the setting set ssl_force_tls in their muttrc so that they can't send any unencrypted emails by accident. > > So I would have either: > > > > set smtp_pass="myPasswd" > > set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclai...@suddenlink.net@smtp.suddenlink.net/" and adding :465 > > or: > > > > set > > smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclai...@suddenlink.net:mypas...@smtp.suddenlink.net/" ditto. > The trailing '/' is not needed ;) Maybe—I tend to just follow the documentation, and the mutt examples include it, so in it goes. > > > # set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:465/" > > > # set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:465" > > > #smtp.suddenlink.net::587 > > > #smtp_url="smtp://loginn...@smtp.server.net:587/" > > > set smtp_authenticators="plain" > > The default behaviour when not setting $smtp_authenticators at all works > just fine to me with Gmail and GMX. Sure. Ironically, suddenlink.net ask you to specify plain if requested. For convenience, I keep a ready-encoded copy in /etc/exim4/passwd.client as a comment after the actual password line. > > > /etc/mailname says this: > > > mikemcclain...@suddenlink.net > > > > /etc/mailname should only contain a domainname, not an address. > > Mine has just axis.corp in it, as I send mail from this machine. > > As far as I can tell mutt's SMTP support should work just fine without > setting any domain in /etc/mailname as it's used only for setting the > domain on local email and Message-Id headers. It ought to—I have no idea whether mutt can even use it, though I suppose it's possible—but AIUI the file belongs to exim4-config. It "needs" a dot to prevent your being nagged about its lack, and having an @ in it could screw up any use exim makes of it. (I use it to set exim's HELO.) So I thought it best to mention it. ¹ Apologies for the extraneous dots and dollars when I pasted from a ?lisp emacs buffer. ² Currently I can't post here through my regular smarthost, so I submit posts directly from mutt through my ISP's own one. They demand both authentication and authorisation, so I set it all up by hand-typing the commands for a one line test email. When I copied the parameters from the test into my muttrc, I forgot the port because it only appears in the connection command, not the conversation. When I checked muttrc today, I realised I've been submitting through port 25, a port that they'd blocked for years. Perhaps there were technical reasons why they didn't use it for both ordinary smtp connections and email submission in the past. Cheers, David.
Re: Mail transfer agent (debian-user-digest Digest V2020 #932)
Hi.
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 01:26:54PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> Not necessarily, just very common. However, suddenlink seems to require
> the full e-mail address as well.
>
> https://help.suddenlink.com/knowledge/microsoft-outlook-set-your-suddenlink-email
>
> > I don't think suddenlink.net accepts mail; smtp.suddenlink.net does.
> >
> > I omit the port number 587 as it's the default.
>
> Can't find any mention of this in neomuttrc(5), care to provide a
> source?
There won't be any, because in both mutt and neomutt tcp:25 is the
default for smtp.
Specifically, smtp_fill_account() at smtp.c shows this:
if (!account->port)
{
if (account->flags & MUTT_ACCT_SSL)
account->port = SMTPS_PORT;
else
{
static unsigned short SmtpPort = 0;
if (!SmtpPort)
{
struct servent *service = getservbyname("smtp", "tcp");
if (service)
SmtpPort = ntohs(service->s_port);
else
SmtpPort = SMTP_PORT;
mutt_debug(3, "Using default SMTP port %d\n", SmtpPort);
}
account->port = SmtpPort;
}
}
And getservbyname(3) will return port 25 for smtp, because it's the port
designated for smtp in /etc/services.
Of course, they *could* use "submission" (which is tcp:587) at that code
instead of "smtp", but they did not.
Reco
Re: Mail transfer agent (debian-user-digest Digest V2020 #932)
On Vi, 25 sep 20, 00:38:25, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 25 Sep 2020 at 03:40:16 (+), mike.junk...@att.net wrote: > > > Trying to get mutt to send mail I've got this in .muttrc: > > > > set smtp_pass="myPasswd" > > # set smtp_url="smtp[s]://[user[:pass]@]host[:port]" > > # set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:587" > > set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:587/" > > I don't know the effect of specifying your password in both places. > (I believe the idea behind smtp_pass is so that it can be placed in > a separate, protected file.) > > I would expect the loginname (user above) to include a domain, > ie it's usually an email address. (Mine always have been.) Not necessarily, just very common. However, suddenlink seems to require the full e-mail address as well. https://help.suddenlink.com/knowledge/microsoft-outlook-set-your-suddenlink-email > I don't think suddenlink.net accepts mail; smtp.suddenlink.net does. > > I omit the port number 587 as it's the default. Can't find any mention of this in neomuttrc(5), care to provide a source? > So I would have either: > > set smtp_pass="myPasswd" > set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclai...@suddenlink.net@smtp.suddenlink.net/" > > or: > > set > smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclai...@suddenlink.net:mypas...@smtp.suddenlink.net/" The trailing '/' is not needed ;) > > # set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:465/" > > # set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:465" > > #smtp.suddenlink.net::587 > > #smtp_url="smtp://loginn...@smtp.server.net:587/" > > set smtp_authenticators="plain" The default behaviour when not setting $smtp_authenticators at all works just fine to me with Gmail and GMX. > > /etc/mailname says this: > > mikemcclain...@suddenlink.net > > /etc/mailname should only contain a domainname, not an address. > Mine has just axis.corp in it, as I send mail from this machine. As far as I can tell mutt's SMTP support should work just fine without setting any domain in /etc/mailname as it's used only for setting the domain on local email and Message-Id headers. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail transfer agent
On 2020-09-25 08:56, Joe wrote: If you haven't done anything yourself, it will be exim4-light. thanks -- Key ID4BFEBB31
Re: Mail transfer agent
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 22:29:32 +0100 mick crane wrote: > On 2020-09-24 18:19, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 13:35:17 +, mike.junk...@att.net wrote: > > > >> > >> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 09:14:42 PM CDT, Dan Ritter > >> wrote: > >> mutt is an MUA, not an MTA. > >> > >> What tasks do you want your mail server to perform? Please be > >> specific. We will have better advice for you once we know > >> exactly what you want to have happen. > >> -dsr- > >> Thanks, Dan,All I need from an MTA is:1) take mail from fetchmail > >> and put it in a mailbox for mutt to display,2) take mail from mutt > >> and send it to my ISP via smtp3) take messages from the system, > >> eg: cron and deliver them to that same mailbox4) take a simple > >> message on the CL such as: echo 'blah' | mail -s 'oops' > >> no...@example.com > >> > >> I've been using exim for years and it works well but is overkill > >> for my needs. > > > > I too have been using exim for years in a similar way to the way you > > describe. It does the job very well and I just let it get on with > > it. I don't really understand what you mean by "overkill" and think > > you are fussing over nothing. > > I know how I get mail. > I've been using roundcube for a few years. I know I put in the SMTP > server, account and password for being allowed in the configuration > but I actually have no idea what is used for the sending. I probably > should. > If you haven't done anything yourself, it will be exim4-light. If it's not taking raw mail straight from the Net, it doesn't need much in the way of care and feeding. Mine is quite aggressively anti-spam, and it only gets a few minor tweaks a year. I can't remember when I last modified its main configuration file. -- Joe
Re: Mail transfer agent (debian-user-digest Digest V2020 #932)
On Fri 25 Sep 2020 at 03:40:16 (+), mike.junk...@att.net wrote: > Trying to get mutt to send mail I've got this in .muttrc: > > set smtp_pass="myPasswd" > # set smtp_url="smtp[s]://[user[:pass]@]host[:port]" > # set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:587" > set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:587/" I don't know the effect of specifying your password in both places. (I believe the idea behind smtp_pass is so that it can be placed in a separate, protected file.) I would expect the loginname (user above) to include a domain, ie it's usually an email address. (Mine always have been.) I don't think suddenlink.net accepts mail; smtp.suddenlink.net does. I omit the port number 587 as it's the default. So I would have either: set smtp_pass="myPasswd" set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclai...@suddenlink.net@smtp.suddenlink.net/" or: set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclai...@suddenlink.net:mypas...@smtp.suddenlink.net/" > # set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:465/" > # set smtp_url="smtp://mikemcclain46:mypas...@suddenlink.net:465" > #smtp.suddenlink.net::587 > #smtp_url="smtp://loginn...@smtp.server.net:587/" > set smtp_authenticators="plain" Seems ok from 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN below. > # set smtp_authenticators= > set envelope_from_address="mikemcclai...@suddenlink.net" > set use_envelope_from > > The commented lines above are things I tried that didn't work. > > This is a line from /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf that worked when I had > exim4 installed: > dc_smarthost='smtp.suddenlink.net::587' That looks ok. I get the response (using port 587): 250 STARTTLS ehlo axis.corp 250-omta04.suddenlink.net 250-HELP 250-XREMOTEQUEUE 250-ETRN 250-AUTH=LOGIN PLAIN 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN 250-PIPELINING 250-DSN 250-8BITMIME 250 SIZE 52428800 > /etc/mailname says this: > mikemcclain...@suddenlink.net /etc/mailname should only contain a domainname, not an address. Mine has just axis.corp in it, as I send mail from this machine. > trying to send mail via mutt: > Could not connect to suddenlink.net (Interrupted system call). > > Thinking postfix might be messing things up I deleted it. > That made no difference so I installed dma, still no outgoing mail, deleted. > > What am I missing? Cheers, David.
Re: Mail transfer agent
On 2020-09-24 18:19, Brian wrote: On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 13:35:17 +, mike.junk...@att.net wrote: On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 09:14:42 PM CDT, Dan Ritter wrote: mutt is an MUA, not an MTA. What tasks do you want your mail server to perform? Please be specific. We will have better advice for you once we know exactly what you want to have happen. -dsr- Thanks, Dan,All I need from an MTA is:1) take mail from fetchmail and put it in a mailbox for mutt to display,2) take mail from mutt and send it to my ISP via smtp3) take messages from the system, eg: cron and deliver them to that same mailbox4) take a simple message on the CL such as: echo 'blah' | mail -s 'oops' no...@example.com I've been using exim for years and it works well but is overkill for my needs. I too have been using exim for years in a similar way to the way you describe. It does the job very well and I just let it get on with it. I don't really understand what you mean by "overkill" and think you are fussing over nothing. I know how I get mail. I've been using roundcube for a few years. I know I put in the SMTP server, account and password for being allowed in the configuration but I actually have no idea what is used for the sending. I probably should. mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31
Re: Mail transfer agent
On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 13:35:17 +, mike.junk...@att.net wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 09:14:42 PM CDT, Dan Ritter > wrote: > mutt is an MUA, not an MTA. > > What tasks do you want your mail server to perform? Please be > specific. We will have better advice for you once we know > exactly what you want to have happen. > -dsr- > Thanks, Dan,All I need from an MTA is:1) take mail from fetchmail and > put it in a mailbox for mutt to display,2) take mail from mutt and > send it to my ISP via smtp3) take messages from the system, eg: cron > and deliver them to that same mailbox4) take a simple message on the > CL such as: echo 'blah' | mail -s 'oops' no...@example.com > > I've been using exim for years and it works well but is overkill for > my needs. I too have been using exim for years in a similar way to the way you describe. It does the job very well and I just let it get on with it. I don't really understand what you mean by "overkill" and think you are fussing over nothing. -- Brian.
Re: Mail transfer agent
On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 13:35:17 (+), mike.junk...@att.net wrote: > On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 09:14:42 PM CDT, Dan Ritter > wrote: > mutt is an MUA, not an MTA. > > What tasks do you want your mail server to perform? Please be > specific. We will have better advice for you once we know > exactly what you want to have happen. > -dsr- > Thanks, Dan,All I need from an MTA is: > 1) take mail from fetchmail and put it in a mailbox for mutt to display, I thought that's what fetchmail did, and what mutt can do, the difference being that fetchmail would put them onto your system while you slept, whereas mutt would fetch them on demand. > 2) take mail from mutt and send it to my ISP via smtp I covered that in my previous post. > 3) take messages from the system, eg: cron and deliver them to that same > mailbox dma might be enough for doing that. > 4) take a simple message on the CL such as: echo 'blah' | mail -s 'oops' > no...@example.com I use mailx (in mailutils), but mutt can also do it. > I've been using exim for years and it works well but is overkill for my needs. Size or complexity? The size of the binary is comparable with mutt. Granted, there's more documentation, but one barely need touch it for the above. Cheers, David.
Re: Mail transfer agent
On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 09:14:42 PM CDT, Dan Ritter wrote: mutt is an MUA, not an MTA. What tasks do you want your mail server to perform? Please be specific. We will have better advice for you once we know exactly what you want to have happen. -dsr- Thanks, Dan,All I need from an MTA is:1) take mail from fetchmail and put it in a mailbox for mutt to display,2) take mail from mutt and send it to my ISP via smtp3) take messages from the system, eg: cron and deliver them to that same mailbox4) take a simple message on the CL such as: echo 'blah' | mail -s 'oops' no...@example.com I've been using exim for years and it works well but is overkill for my needs. Thanks,Mike
Re: Mail transfer agent
On Jo, 24 sep 20, 01:24:13, mike.junk...@att.net wrote: > When I installed a minimal system on my Raspberry PI no mta was > installed.Though mutt claims to be a mta it seems it only will fetch > mail not send it.Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. This mail is sent using (neo)mutt's SMTP support. At a minimum you must set 'smtp_url' in your muttrc. If you don't specify username and password mutt will ask for it interactively. See 'man muttrc' for more details. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mail transfer agent
On Thu 24 Sep 2020 at 01:24:13 (+), mike.junk...@att.net wrote: > When I installed a minimal system on my Raspberry PI no mta was installed. > Though mutt claims to be a mta it seems it only will fetch mail not send it. > Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. It's an MUA, so you can send emails via your ISP's smarthost submission port. You need to set lines like the following in your muttrc: set·smtp_url="smtp://loginn...@smtp.server.net:587/"$ set·smtp_pass="accountpassword"$ set·smtp_authenticators="plain"$ set·envelope_from_address="usern...@domainname.tld"$ set·use_envelope_from$ where: loginname and accountpassword are the authentication pair for the smarthost, smtp.server.net:587 is the smarthost and port number, plain assumes you're using TLS encryption on the connection, so the password is sent in plaintext, usern...@domainname.tld is an routeable email address (ie a real one) that the smarthost will accept for authorisation (ie for MAIL FROM:). You may need to read-protect the file as there's a password in it. > After struggling with postfix for several days without being able > to send or receive mail, except like now via webmail, I'm about > ready to go back to exim4 even though it's overkill for a single > user on a single computer. Is there a light weight mta appropriate > for a single user that's easy to configure? Actually I use exim for all my emails except this list, where I use mutt itself. Cheers, David.
Re: Mail transfer agent
mike.junk...@att.net wrote: > When I installed a minimal system on my Raspberry PI no mta was > installed.Though mutt claims to be a mta it seems it only will fetch mail not > send it.Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.After struggling with postfix > for several days without being able to send or receive mai,l except like now > via webmail, I'm about ready to go back to exim4 even though it's overkill > for a single user on a single computer. Is there a light weight mta > appropriate for a single user that's easy to configure?Thanks,??Mike mutt is an MUA, not an MTA. What tasks do you want your mail server to perform? Please be specific. We will have better advice for you once we know exactly what you want to have happen. -dsr-
Mail transfer agent
When I installed a minimal system on my Raspberry PI no mta was installed.Though mutt claims to be a mta it seems it only will fetch mail not send it.Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.After struggling with postfix for several days without being able to send or receive mai,l except like now via webmail, I'm about ready to go back to exim4 even though it's overkill for a single user on a single computer. Is there a light weight mta appropriate for a single user that's easy to configure?Thanks, Mike
Re: Mail transfer agent and Active Directory
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 01:34:09PM +0200, pch0317 wrote: Hello I have 150 users in my network. I want to change MsExchange to open MTA. 1. Is there any open MTA which cooperate with Active Directory or eDirectory? I don't want to create 150 user account. I would like to it still work even when Active Directory password change (password change every month). If you use Samba with Winbind, the accounts will be sought from the AD, so you don't have to create them on your box. That's how we're doing it right now with Postfix/Dovecot. postfix-ldap works too though, as already mentioned. Cheers, -- Eric Gerlach, Network Administrator Federation of Students University of Waterloo p: (519) 888-4567 x36329 e: egerl...@feds.uwaterloo.ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Mail transfer agent and Active Directory
Hello I have 150 users in my network. I want to change MsExchange to open MTA. 1. Is there any open MTA which cooperate with Active Directory or eDirectory? I don't want to create 150 user account. I would like to it still work even when Active Directory password change (password change every month). 2. Is there any MTA which have integrated IMAP or POP server? If no, which IMAP or POP server choose. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mail transfer agent and Active Directory
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 01:34:09PM +0200, pch0317 wrote: Hello I have 150 users in my network. I want to change MsExchange to open MTA. 1. Is there any open MTA which cooperate with Active Directory or eDirectory? I don't want to create 150 user account. I would like to it still work even when Active Directory password change (password change every month). I played around a bit with Exim in an Active Directory environment. It worked in my limited testing. I configured pam to authenticate to AD. Once the machine was aware of the AD users, Exim worked seamlessly. I imagine the same would be true for all/most MTAs. 2. Is there any MTA which have integrated IMAP or POP server? If no, which IMAP or POP server choose. I'm not really qualified to recommend one, but I used dovecot and it worked fine. It was easy to set up, too. I was using IMAPS exclusively. This was all done on a Debian Etch server, authenticating to a Windows 2003 Active Directory server. My mail was sent and received through a smarthost at the parent company (where it was scanned for spam, then got appended to it a huge privacy disclaimer against my will). -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mail transfer agent and Active Directory
On Saturday 01 August 2009 05:04:09 pm pch0317 wrote: Hello I have 150 users in my network. I want to change MsExchange to open MTA. 1. Is there any open MTA which cooperate with Active Directory or eDirectory? I don't want to create 150 user account. I would like to it still work even when Active Directory password change (password change every month). 2. Is there any MTA which have integrated IMAP or POP server? If no, which IMAP or POP server choose. Thanks Postfix with Postfix-ldap extensions on Debian works fine with AD. So does Dovecot for pop3 and imap. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
