Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:58:52 -0800 Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snipped discussion about Asimov's The Feeling of Power] But at only 49 years old it is unlikely to be out of copyright! A lot of the items on that site may be in the public domain, but an Asimov short story is unlikely to be one of them. I see nothing on the site that suggests that this individual has checked for copyright on the text that he has posted. He only says that the items are things that interest him. I know that most people don't think about these things, but my wife is a librarian, so she always does, and it has gotten me into the habit of thinking about it, too. You are right; it did not occur to me that there might be a copyright violation. Thanks for pointing it out. Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. Wernher von Braun That quote is just sick. Remember who W.v.B. was, and his attitude towards mass production and labor. I'd advise against superficially witty quotes from mass murderers. --D. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
Adrian Levi wrote: On 31/12/2007, Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adrian Levi wrote: On 30/12/2007, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. Wernher von Braun Reminds me of Asimov's The Feeling of Power: http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html Celejar Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading that. I Asimov was a forward thinker. To write that in his time(1958), even now it has context and is believable... But at only 49 years old it is unlikely to be out of copyright! A lot of the items on that site may be in the public domain, but an Asimov short story is unlikely to be one of them. I see nothing on the site that suggests that this individual has checked for copyright on the text that he has posted. He only says that the items are things that interest him. I know that most people don't think about these things, but my wife is a librarian, so she always does, and it has gotten me into the habit of thinking about it, too. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's also available on this website and does attribute copyright, go figure. http://www.themathlab.com/writings/short%20stories/feeling.htm Adrian Yes, the copyright notice is displayed. That still does not mean that the text is now in the public domain and can be put up on anyone's site who happens to like it. The copyright is almost certainly still in affect and posting the entire text to the web is breaking copyright. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Dec 29, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: As far as I'm concerned, 'Netscape' is a good name. I always wondered how names like 'Seamonkey', 'Iceape' or 'Firefox' could ever make their way into a serious, corporate environment. Silly names seem to be all the rage with start-ups these days, so maybe the open source community was just ahead of the curve. ;) For that matter, at one place I worked we used to buy submersible pumps from a company that was in the habit of casting smiley faces onto all of their float switch counterweights. We sort of rolled our eyes, but we kept buying pumps from them anyway. People will tolerate a bit of whimsy if your product is good. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/31/07 12:06, David Brodbeck wrote: On Dec 29, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: As far as I'm concerned, 'Netscape' is a good name. I always wondered how names like 'Seamonkey', 'Iceape' or 'Firefox' could ever make their way into a serious, corporate environment. Silly names seem to be all the rage with start-ups these days, so maybe the open source community was just ahead of the curve. ;) That's been a trend now (in the US, at least) for about 20 years. Started with stupid wussy product names and moved to stupid and or meaningless company names. For that matter, at one place I worked we used to buy submersible pumps from a company that was in the habit of casting smiley faces onto all of their float switch counterweights. We sort of rolled our eyes, but we kept buying pumps from them anyway. People will tolerate a bit of whimsy if your product is good. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile. Santa-bot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHeTF2S9HxQb37XmcRAiMBAKDsl1xHGmt3a1oMUjVwHXIfvaVtHQCgtRux 2QR57Sn7VOMa4gFe1M+xCr0= =QWMV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
* Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Dec 31 12:19 -0600]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/31/07 12:06, David Brodbeck wrote: On Dec 29, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: As far as I'm concerned, 'Netscape' is a good name. I always wondered how names like 'Seamonkey', 'Iceape' or 'Firefox' could ever make their way into a serious, corporate environment. Silly names seem to be all the rage with start-ups these days, so maybe the open source community was just ahead of the curve. ;) That's been a trend now (in the US, at least) for about 20 years. Started with stupid wussy product names and moved to stupid and or meaningless company names. We must be careful not to offend. Companies now spend untold time and money searching through languages of all sorts to be sure that a new product or merged company name is not offensive. If even one person^Wattorney finds it offensive^Wlucrative it is certain that a lawsuit will be filed. It's PC insanity and it shows no sign of stopping any time soon. Happy New Year! - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Dec 31, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: We must be careful not to offend. Companies now spend untold time and money searching through languages of all sorts to be sure that a new product or merged company name is not offensive. If even one person^Wattorney finds it offensive^Wlucrative it is certain that a lawsuit will be filed. It's PC insanity and it shows no sign of stopping any time soon. While that may be some of it, I suspect a bigger concern is whether the name can be trademarked. Companies have learned over time that names with common words in them (say, Windows) are much harder to trademark and defend than made-up names. There's also the increasingly full domain name space to contend with. If you make up a silly name it's more likely the domain will still be available. These days it's not very smart to give something a descriptive name if the name.com domain is already taken, and most of them are. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On 30/12/2007, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. Wernher von Braun Reminds me of Asimov's The Feeling of Power: http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html Celejar Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading that. I Asimov was a forward thinker. To write that in his time(1958), even now it has context and is believable... Adrian -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? erno hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:32:05 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netscape Navigator 9.0.0.5 for Linux has just been released. Works fine, looks good. Get it here: http://browser.netscape.com/downloads After unpacking, just run ./navigator inside the folder. No interference with the package manager. That's good. Does this Linux version come with the IE engine for use with sites that only work properly with IE? I may install it just to see (though I dislike installing source packages, especially if they don't come with a make uninstall option). Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Dec 30, 2007 10:19 AM, Mark Grieveson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:32:05 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Netscape Navigator 9.0.0.5 for Linux has just been released. Works fine, looks good. Get it here: http://browser.netscape.com/downloads After unpacking, just run ./navigator inside the folder. No interference with the package manager. That's good. Does this Linux version come with the IE engine for use with sites that only work properly with IE? I may install it just to see (though I dislike installing source packages, especially if they don't come with a make uninstall option). No, Netscape 8 was the only one with the bizarre option of using Trident, and it just used the system version, rather than including it. Truly incompatible websites are few and far between. Of the few incompatible websites I encounter, most are just forcing incompatibility by looking at the user-agent string. There is an extension called user-agent switcher that lets FF identify as IE or any other browser. If a web site is incompatible, you should write to them an point out that they are shutting out over 15% of American users and more like 20%-25% of European users. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
Adrian Levi wrote: On 30/12/2007, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. Wernher von Braun Reminds me of Asimov's The Feeling of Power: http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html Celejar Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading that. I Asimov was a forward thinker. To write that in his time(1958), even now it has context and is believable... But at only 49 years old it is unlikely to be out of copyright! A lot of the items on that site may be in the public domain, but an Asimov short story is unlikely to be one of them. I see nothing on the site that suggests that this individual has checked for copyright on the text that he has posted. He only says that the items are things that interest him. I know that most people don't think about these things, but my wife is a librarian, so she always does, and it has gotten me into the habit of thinking about it, too. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On 31/12/2007, Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adrian Levi wrote: On 30/12/2007, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. Wernher von Braun Reminds me of Asimov's The Feeling of Power: http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html Celejar Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading that. I Asimov was a forward thinker. To write that in his time(1958), even now it has context and is believable... But at only 49 years old it is unlikely to be out of copyright! A lot of the items on that site may be in the public domain, but an Asimov short story is unlikely to be one of them. I see nothing on the site that suggests that this individual has checked for copyright on the text that he has posted. He only says that the items are things that interest him. I know that most people don't think about these things, but my wife is a librarian, so she always does, and it has gotten me into the habit of thinking about it, too. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's also available on this website and does attribute copyright, go figure. http://www.themathlab.com/writings/short%20stories/feeling.htm Adrian -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? erno hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Sunday December 30 2007 12:57:26 Kelly Clowers wrote: [snip] Truly incompatible websites are few and far between. Of the few incompatible websites I encounter, most are just forcing incompatibility by looking at the user-agent string. There is an extension called user-agent switcher that lets FF identify as IE or any other browser. If a web site is incompatible, you should write to them an point out that they are shutting out over 15% of American users and more like 20%-25% of European users. Our company's intranet timesheet app doesn't work well with Windows FF. Seems to be a Java windowing issue. It's the only reason why I need IE. (I still use MSO a lot, though, because OOo is such a slow- loading pig.) -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA If heroes do not exist, it is necessary to invent them. Good for public morale. Doctor Who signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[OT] RIP Netscape
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140903-c,netscape/article.html Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 06:53:08AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140903-c,netscape/article.html yeah, it's kinda sad, but at the same time, my memory of Netscape is always kind of unpleasant. I remember struggling to get it to work properly and convince others to use it instead of IE. Meanwhile, I remember it working much better once it was set up. Look at its legacy though: a significant driving force and gateway app for the open source community. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Saturday December 29 2007 13:10:00 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 06:53:08AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140903-c,netscape/article.h tml yeah, it's kinda sad, but at the same time, my memory of Netscape is always kind of unpleasant. I remember struggling to get it to work properly and convince others to use it instead of IE. Meanwhile, I remember it working much better once it was set up. Look at its legacy though: a significant driving force and gateway app for the open source community. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. Wernher von Braun signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
Ron Johnson wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: my memory of Netscape is always kind of unpleasant. I remember struggling to get it to work properly Netscape Navigator 9.0.0.5 for Linux has just been released. Works fine, looks good. Get it here: http://browser.netscape.com/downloads After unpacking, just run ./navigator inside the folder. No interference with the package manager. As far as I'm concerned, 'Netscape' is a good name. I always wondered how names like 'Seamonkey', 'Iceape' or 'Firefox' could ever make their way into a serious, corporate environment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Dec 29, 2007 3:18 PM, Sjoerd Hiemstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: my memory of Netscape is always kind of unpleasant. I remember struggling to get it to work properly Netscape Navigator 9.0.0.5 for Linux has just been released. Works fine, looks good. Get it here: http://browser.netscape.com/downloads After unpacking, just run ./navigator inside the folder. No interference with the package manager. He is probably referring to Netscape = 4.x Nobody uses Netscape = 6 anyway, which is why it is being dropped. As far as I'm concerned, 'Netscape' is a good name. I always wondered how names like 'Seamonkey', 'Iceape' or 'Firefox' could ever make their way into a serious, corporate environment. Mozilla and Firefox (and Phoenix and Firebird) are fine in my opinion. SeaMonkey, Iceape, Iceweasel, etc. seem like suboptimal names to me, but they aren't as widespread. Anyway, I just say Mozilla and Firefox unless I really need to specify (I hope no one from MoCo reads that). Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. Wernher von Braun Reminds me of Asimov's The Feeling of Power: http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netscape Navigator 9.01b
Hi all, Netscape navigator 9.01b for GNU/Linux is available for download here: http://browser.netscape.com/ Greetings, Manon.
Re: Netscape Navigator 9.01b
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:17:58 + Manon Metten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Netscape navigator 9.01b for GNU/Linux is available for download here: http://browser.netscape.com/ Greetings, Manon. Why are they still doing that in the age of Firefox? - -- Andrew J. Barr X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.2 (GTK+ 2.10.12; powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu) The plural of anecdote is not evidence. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZvx1huM+Z62a52oRArlpAJ0XUpFwHVDkMc1XTOhal2Q/YRUX3wCg5ZWH RQ5dmdur50Ux4SVgMu7cdxE= =XIQW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Netscape Navigator 9.01b
Hi Andrew, On 6/6/07, Andrew J. Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are they still doing that in the age of Firefox? The newspaper where I've read this, states that Netscape is build upon Firefox, so maybe it has some extra features. Further it's closely integrated with AOL's netscape.com website. So it might be a commercial thing. I don't know yet, I still have to figure out. Anyway: Revival of the pre IE days and beginning of the decline of the M$ empire?! That's a good thing :-) Manon.
Re: acento mozilla/netscape
On 6/22/06, Rogério Pozza wrote: Pessoal, qdo executo o mozilla ou netscape como root os acentos aparecem corretamente, mas se eu os executo como usuario normal, a acentuacao aparece com outros caracteres. Bom, supondo que não seja um problema com a página que o usuário normal carrega, sugiro comparar a saída do comando locale quando executado pelo root e pelo usuário normal. Depois, tente deixar a configuração do usuário normal igual à do root. -- Bruno de Oliveira Schneider http://www.dcc.ufla.br/~bruno/
Re: acento mozilla/netscape
BRuno as saidas estao iguais:. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale LANG=pt_BR LC_CTYPE=pt_BR LC_NUMERIC=pt_BR LC_TIME=pt_BR LC_COLLATE=pt_BR LC_MONETARY=pt_BR LC_MESSAGES=pt_BR LC_PAPER=pt_BR LC_NAME=pt_BR LC_ADDRESS=pt_BR LC_TELEPHONE=pt_BR LC_MEASUREMENT=pt_BR LC_IDENTIFICATION=pt_BR LC_ALL= [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su Password: keka:# locale LANG=pt_BR LC_CTYPE=pt_BR LC_NUMERIC=pt_BR LC_TIME=pt_BR LC_COLLATE=pt_BR LC_MONETARY=pt_BR LC_MESSAGES=pt_BR LC_PAPER=pt_BR LC_NAME=pt_BR LC_ADDRESS=pt_BR LC_TELEPHONE=pt_BR LC_MEASUREMENT=pt_BR LC_IDENTIFICATION=pt_BR LC_ALL= keka:/# Bruno de Oliveira Schneider escreveu: On 6/22/06, Rogério Pozza wrote: Pessoal, qdo executo o mozilla ou netscape como root os acentos aparecem corretamente, mas se eu os executo como usuario normal, a acentuacao aparece com outros caracteres. Bom, supondo que não seja um problema com a página que o usuário normal carrega, sugiro comparar a saída do comando locale quando executado pelo root e pelo usuário normal. Depois, tente deixar a configuração do usuário normal igual à do root. ___ Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! http://br.acesso.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: acento mozilla/netscape
On 6/23/06, Rogério Pozza wrote: BRuno as saidas estao iguais:. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale LANG=pt_BR [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su Password: keka:# locale LANG=pt_BR [...] keka:/# Bom, um su não vai dar necessariamente a mesma configuração de quando você loga num Gnome/KDE como root. De que maneira você executa o navegador como root? Já olhou a configuração do Navegador? Provavelmente é possível usar detecção automática do sistema de caracteres... Você poderia apagar a configuração do navegador para o root e para o usuário comum (faça backup antes). Se a diferença persistir, é porque o problema está na configuração do navegador. Você pode disponibilizar imagens do problema em algum lugar? -- Bruno de Oliveira Schneider http://www.dcc.ufla.br/~bruno/
acento mozilla/netscape
Pessoal, qdo executo o mozilla ou netscape como root os acentos aparecem corretamente, mas se eu os executo como usuario normal, a acentuacao aparece com outros caracteres. Vcs poderiam me ajudar? Rogerio ___ Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! http://br.acesso.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thunderbird zu doof zum Importieren von Netscape-mail-Dateien?
Hallo Ludwig, Ludwig Maetzke, 08.05.2005 (d.m.y): Keine Ahnung, ob Netscape 4.8 schon IMAP konnte, aber ich wuerde es zur Not ueber einen IMAP-Server versuchen... Was ist IMAP? Das wird Dir Google sagen koennen. Oder Wikipedia. Hilf Dir selbst. ;-) Inwiefern kann es beim Importieren mit dem Thunderbird helfen? Du schiebst die Mails aus dem alten Programm (sofern es IMAP unterstuetzt) via IMAP auf einen Server und liest sie dort mit der neuen Software (ebenfalls via IMAP) wieder aus. Gruss, Christian Schmidt -- Es gibt keinen Unsinn, den man der Masse nicht durch geschickte Propaganda mundgerecht machen könnte. -- Bertrand A. W. Russell signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Thunderbird zu doof zum Importieren von Netscape-mail-Dateien?
Hallo, eine Netscape-mail-Ordner besteht aus zwei Dateien mit den Endungen snm und txt. Die Thunderbird-Importfunktien bietet nur an Importieren von Netscape Communicator 4.x und dann passiert nix, und es gibt mW keine Möglichkeit, die o. g. Dateien zu übergeben. Ich habe ja gar kein Netscape 4 auf dem Linux-Rechner und will's auch nicht installieren. Was nun? Die Netscape-Verzeichnisstruktur im home-Verzeichnis anlegen incl. versteckte Ordner? Wie sieht die aus? Oder zum Importieren ein anderes Programm nehmen? Welches? Viele Grüße, Ludwig -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Thunderbird zu doof zum Importieren von Netscape-mail-Dateien?
Ludwig Maetzke schrieb: Hallo, eine Netscape-mail-Ordner besteht aus zwei Dateien mit den Endungen snm und txt. Die Thunderbird-Importfunktien bietet nur an Importieren von Netscape Communicator 4.x und dann passiert nix, und es gibt mW keine Möglichkeit, die o. g. Dateien zu übergeben.Ich habe ja gar kein Netscape 4 auf dem Linux-Rechner und will's auch nicht installieren. Warum nicht?? Was nun? Die Netscape-Verzeichnisstruktur im home-Verzeichnis anlegen incl. versteckte Ordner? Das wäre verdammt aufwendig, wenn du dir mal so eine Thunderbird-Verzeichnisstruktur angeguckt hast... Wie sieht die aus? Oder zum Importieren ein anderes Programm nehmen? Welches? Sofern Netscape 4 deine aktuellen Netscape-Mails lesen kann, nimm doch einfach den und lass Thunderbird dann von dort auf importieren. Viele Grüße, Ludwig -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Thunderbird zu doof zum Importieren von Netscape-mail-Dateien?
Hallo Claudius, Die Thunderbird-Importfunktien bietet nur an Importieren von Netscape Communicator 4.x und dann passiert nix, und es gibt mW keine Möglichkeit, die o. g. Dateien zu übergeben.Ich habe ja gar kein Netscape 4 auf dem Linux-Rechner und will's auch nicht installieren. Warum nicht?? Der download von Netscape über Modem dauert mir zu lang. Aber notfalls kann ich das CD-Laufwerk wieder anklemmen und Netscape ist vielleicht auf meinen Libranet-CD's. Was nun? Die Netscape-Verzeichnisstruktur im home-Verzeichnis anlegen incl. versteckte Ordner? Das wäre verdammt aufwendig, wenn du dir mal so eine Thunderbird-Verzeichnisstruktur angeguckt hast... Ein paar mkdir Befehle schaffe ich noch, das scheint mir bis jetzt die beste Lösung. Sofern Netscape 4 deine aktuellen Netscape-Mails lesen kann, nimm doch einfach den und lass Thunderbird dann von dort auf importieren. Mein netscape 4.8 ist auf der mac-Festplatte. Aber da steht ja der Verzeichnisbaum, hoffentlich wie bei Linux... Viele Grüße, Ludwig -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Thunderbird zu doof zum Importieren von Netscape-mail-Dateien?
Hallo Ludwig, Ludwig Maetzke, 07.05.2005 (d.m.y): Mein netscape 4.8 ist auf der mac-Festplatte. Aber da steht ja der Verzeichnisbaum, hoffentlich wie bei Linux... Ganz sicher nicht. ;-) Die Netscape-Daten des MacOS findest Du auf dem Starlaufwerk im Ordner Systemordner:Preferences:Netscape Users, ...also an einem voellig anderen Ort als unter Linux... Keine Ahnung, ob Netscape 4.8 schon IMAP konnte, aber ich wuerde es zur Not ueber einen IMAP-Server versuchen... Gruss, Christian Schmidt -- Stilblüten aus Schreiben von Versicherungsnehmern: An der Kreuzung hatte ich einen unvorhergesehenen Anfall von Farbenblindheit. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Thunderbird zu doof zum Importieren von Netscape-mail-Dateien?
Hallo Christian, Mein netscape 4.8 ist auf der mac-Festplatte. Aber da steht ja der Verzeichnisbaum, hoffentlich wie bei Linux... Ganz sicher nicht. ;-) Die Netscape-Daten des MacOS findest Du auf dem Starlaufwerk im Ordner Systemordner:Preferences:Netscape Users, ...also an einem voellig anderen Ort als unter Linux... Es würde mir sehr helfen, wenn ein (ehemaliger) netscape user mir die Communicator-Struktur in seinem /home Verzeichnis posten würde Keine Ahnung, ob Netscape 4.8 schon IMAP konnte, aber ich wuerde es zur Not ueber einen IMAP-Server versuchen... Was ist IMAP? Inwiefern kann es beim Importieren mit dem Thunderbird helfen? Viele Grüße, Ludwig -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Thunderbird zu doof zum Importieren von Netscape-mail-Dateien?
Ludwig Maetzke: Mein netscape 4.8 ist auf der mac-Festplatte. Aber da steht ja der Verzeichnisbaum, hoffentlich wie bei Linux... Kannst Du da nicht mal nachschauen und die Struktur angeben? Ganz sicher nicht. ;-) Die Netscape-Daten des MacOS findest Du auf dem Starlaufwerk im Ordner Systemordner:Preferences:Netscape Users, ...also an einem voellig anderen Ort als unter Linux... Der Ort sollte eigentlich egal sein, Es würde mir sehr helfen, wenn ein (ehemaliger) netscape user mir die Communicator-Struktur in seinem /home Verzeichnis posten würde Wozu? Wichtig ist, wie es bei Deinem Mac aussieht. Angenommen, es sähe so aus (ich habe allerdings keine Ahnung vom Mac und gehe mal nach Deinen früheren Angaben davon aus, dass dort die mbox Dateien die Endungen .txt haben) ... macmail datei-1.txt datei-1.snm datei-2.txt datei-2,snm ... und Du hast unter Deinem TB einen Mailaccount namens tbmail angelegt, dann solltest Du bei geschlossenem TB das Verzeichnis macmail nach tbmail kopieren und dann die angegebenen Veränderungen vornehmen: tbmail macmail -- macmail.sbd(umbenennen) macmail(neue leere Datei anlegen) datei-1.txt --datei-1(umbenennen) datei-1.snm --löschen oder ignorieren datei-2.txt --datei-2(umbenennen) datei-2.snm --löschen oder ignorieren Nach dem nächsten Start von TB sollten die Mails dann unter dem Account tbmail im Verzeichnis macmail zur Verfügung stehen. Und wie immer bei solchen Eingriffen, ein vorheriges Backup ist Pflicht. ;) Hartmut -- Haeufig gestellte Fragen und Antworten (FAQ): http://www.de.debian.org/debian-user-german-FAQ/ Zum AUSTRAGEN schicken Sie eine Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] mit dem Subject unsubscribe. Probleme? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] (engl)
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola Iñaki, Para sabre la version de los plugins instalados, lo miras en la pestaña ayuda, opcion Mozilla Plugins (en el Firefox creo que tambien aparece ahi) Saludos, Pedro Muñoz Iñaki wrote: El Jueves, 13 de Enero de 2005 16:26, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola, || || Pues debo de ser muy burro, porque me sale el cuadro en blanco, eso si, || si le doy a boton dcho sobre el me salen las opciones a configurar del || flash, pero nada. He mirado los directorios y is estan los plugins || instalados correctamente :-?? || He probado Mozilla, Mozilla-firefox y Opera y nada :?? || Que puedo tener mal? Que version de Flash teneis instalada? || Gracias. A mí sólo me funciona en Firefox (no he probado con Mozilla), pero en Konqueror y Opera no me va (y me suele funcionar bien en ambos todo el tema de Java y Flash). En cuanto a la versión de Flash que tengo pues ni idea, si te sirve uso Debian Sid, pero la verdad es que no me aclaro de cómo va el tema de los plugins de Flash y Java en Firefox, creo que hace tiempo me peleé bastante para que me reconociese el Flash que tenía instalado en el sistema. Y hace poco instalé también un paquete llamado flash-nonfree o algo así, que dicen que va mejor que el libre, no sé si tendrá algo que ver. Lo que te quiero decir es que no tengo ni idea de cómo decirte qué versión de Flash tengo instalada. Sí sabes cómo lo podría mirar coméntame y te digo. Ya te aviso que el tema de estos plugins en Firefox intento olvidarlo (con el de Java me estuve liado días venga a hacer enlaces y no lo conseguí). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
El Viernes, 14 de Enero de 2005 17:21, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola Iñaki, || Para sabre la version de los plugins instalados, lo miras en la pestaña || ayuda, opcion Mozilla Plugins (en el Firefox creo que tambien aparece ahi) || Saludos, || Pedro Muñoz Pero me bajé ningún plugin de Flash desde Firefox, yo ya tenía instalado Flash para todos los navegadores y lo que hice es hacer enlaces a las librerías de Flash desde la carpeta de plugins en la configuración de Firefox en mi home.
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola Iñaki, Para sabre la version de los plugins instalados, lo miras en la pestaña ayuda, opcion Mozilla Plugins (en el Firefox creo que tambien aparece ahi) Saludos, Pedro Muñoz Iñaki wrote: El Jueves, 13 de Enero de 2005 16:26, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola, || || Pues debo de ser muy burro, porque me sale el cuadro en blanco, eso si, || si le doy a boton dcho sobre el me salen las opciones a configurar del || flash, pero nada. He mirado los directorios y is estan los plugins || instalados correctamente :-?? || He probado Mozilla, Mozilla-firefox y Opera y nada :?? || Que puedo tener mal? Que version de Flash teneis instalada? || Gracias. A mí sólo me funciona en Firefox (no he probado con Mozilla), pero en Konqueror y Opera no me va (y me suele funcionar bien en ambos todo el tema de Java y Flash). En cuanto a la versión de Flash que tengo pues ni idea, si te sirve uso Debian Sid, pero la verdad es que no me aclaro de cómo va el tema de los plugins de Flash y Java en Firefox, creo que hace tiempo me peleé bastante para que me reconociese el Flash que tenía instalado en el sistema. Y hace poco instalé también un paquete llamado flash-nonfree o algo así, que dicen que va mejor que el libre, no sé si tendrá algo que ver. Lo que te quiero decir es que no tengo ni idea de cómo decirte qué versión de Flash tengo instalada. Sí sabes cómo lo podría mirar coméntame y te digo. Ya te aviso que el tema de estos plugins en Firefox intento olvidarlo (con el de Java me estuve liado días venga a hacer enlaces y no lo conseguí).
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
El Viernes, 14 de Enero de 2005 17:21, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola Iñaki, || Para sabre la version de los plugins instalados, lo miras en la pestaña || ayuda, opcion Mozilla Plugins (en el Firefox creo que tambien aparece ahi) || Saludos, || Pedro Muñoz Pero me bajé ningún plugin de Flash desde Firefox, yo ya tenía instalado Flash para todos los navegadores y lo que hice es hacer enlaces a las librerías de Flash desde la carpeta de plugins en la configuración de Firefox en mi home.
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Pos a mi me sigue sin funcionar :((( Ya no sé que hacer :( Y por el Xchat tampoco. Es que asi ya chimpaba win del portatil y lo dejaba solo con Linux, que asi lo podia usar el chat (que es ella la que lo usa y se me queja de tener que cambiar de linux a win pa charlar con las amigas) Bueno Gracias. Pedro Iñaki wrote: El Viernes, 14 de Enero de 2005 17:21, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola Iñaki, || Para sabre la version de los plugins instalados, lo miras en la pestaña || ayuda, opcion Mozilla Plugins (en el Firefox creo que tambien aparece ahi) || Saludos, || Pedro Muñoz Pero me bajé ningún plugin de Flash desde Firefox, yo ya tenía instalado Flash para todos los navegadores y lo que hice es hacer enlaces a las librerías de Flash desde la carpeta de plugins en la configuración de Firefox en mi home.
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Sencillamente necesitas el plugin de Java en tu browser -- Gonzalo L. Campos Medina Ubuntu Warty (Intel x86) = http://www.ubuntulinux.org Linux Registered User #344192 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gcamposm.dyndns.org Linux Wireless Solutions ILO - PERU -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola, Gracias por la respuesta. Pero no sé porque va a ser OT? :?? Es una funcion de un programa de Linux en la distribucion que uso, Debian en Knoppix :?? Gracias. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz La Coruña R Leon wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:58:13PM +, Pedro M Glez wrote: Hola a todos Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. Gracias. un chat hecho en flash ? vaya aberracion pero si, funciona en mozilla-firefox por cierto se te olvido poner OT al asunto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola, Pues debo de ser muy burro, porque me sale el cuadro en blanco, eso si, si le doy a boton dcho sobre el me salen las opciones a configurar del flash, pero nada. He mirado los directorios y is estan los plugins instalados correctamente :-?? He probado Mozilla, Mozilla-firefox y Opera y nada :?? Que puedo tener mal? Que version de Flash teneis instalada? Gracias. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola, Gracias por responder. La verdad es que me abre el mismo programa al lanzar firefox en consola, es decir, el mozilla-firefox, y ahi no me va. He visto los enlaces que hace y son los mismos que en el mozilla :-?? En fin, a ver si alguien me puede descubrir como solucionarlo. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz Iñaki wrote: El Jueves, 13 de Enero de 2005 16:26, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola, || || Pues debo de ser muy burro, porque me sale el cuadro en blanco, eso si, || si le doy a boton dcho sobre el me salen las opciones a configurar del || flash, pero nada. He mirado los directorios y is estan los plugins || instalados correctamente :-?? || He probado Mozilla, Mozilla-firefox y Opera y nada :?? || Que puedo tener mal? Que version de Flash teneis instalada? || Gracias. A mí sólo me funciona en Firefox (no he probado con Mozilla), pero en Konqueror y Opera no me va (y me suele funcionar bien en ambos todo el tema de Java y Flash). En cuanto a la versión de Flash que tengo pues ni idea, si te sirve uso Debian Sid, pero la verdad es que no me aclaro de cómo va el tema de los plugins de Flash y Java en Firefox, creo que hace tiempo me peleé bastante para que me reconociese el Flash que tenía instalado en el sistema. Y hace poco instalé también un paquete llamado flash-nonfree o algo así, que dicen que va mejor que el libre, no sé si tendrá algo que ver. Lo que te quiero decir es que no tengo ni idea de cómo decirte qué versión de Flash tengo instalada. Sí sabes cómo lo podría mirar coméntame y te digo. Ya te aviso que el tema de estos plugins en Firefox intento olvidarlo (con el de Java me estuve liado días venga a hacer enlaces y no lo conseguí). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:34:55AM -0500, Gonzalo Campos wrote: Sencillamente necesitas el plugin de Java en tu browser no, es el de flash saludos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 01:06:45PM +0100, Pedro M Glez wrote: Hola, Gracias por la respuesta. Pero no sé porque va a ser OT? :?? Es una funcion de un programa de Linux en la distribucion que uso, Debian en Knoppix :?? primero te funciona el flash de otras paginas o de ninguna? segundo knoppix no es exactamente debian, ¿si sabes cuantas distros y, como les llamanan algunos, metadistros hay? por nombrarte algunas knoppix, gnoppix, DSL, ubuntu, pequelin, morphix, libranet, yoper, etc todas ellas muy buenas, y de ligeras a grandes diferencias con debian saludos Gracias. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz La Coruña R Leon wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:58:13PM +, Pedro M Glez wrote: Hola a todos Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. Gracias. un chat hecho en flash ? vaya aberracion pero si, funciona en mozilla-firefox por cierto se te olvido poner OT al asunto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola, Pues el caso es que en otras paginas sí me funciona :?? Y si voy a las opciones del chat o configuracion o lo q sea la dcha, en el cuadro que me dice si veo la imagen moverse (porque sino no tendria el plugin) pues ahi si veo la imagen flash. Por eso la extrañeza. Gracias de todas formas. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Pedro M Glez escribi: Hola, Pues el caso es que en otras paginas s me funciona :?? Y si voy a las opciones del chat o configuracion o lo q sea la dcha, en el cuadro que me dice si veo la imagen moverse (porque sino no tendria el plugin) pues ahi si veo la imagen flash. Por eso la extraeza. Gracias de todas formas. Saludos, Pedro Muoz Que raro... yo en Mozilla si que lo veo. Vamos, que para probarlo he estado chateando un rato... a mi si me funciona bien. Uso Mozilla 1.7.5 y el Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25. -- Saludos, .''`. Rafael Fernndez Lpez : :' : `. `'` `- Debian GNU/Linux (SID) Utilizando Debian GNU/Linux. Por qu no te animas a probarlo? "My name is Linus, and I am your god." - Linus Torvalds "We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." - Linus Torvalds "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect." - Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Sencillamente necesitas el plugin de Java en tu browser -- Gonzalo L. Campos Medina Ubuntu Warty (Intel x86) = http://www.ubuntulinux.org Linux Registered User #344192 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gcamposm.dyndns.org Linux Wireless Solutions ILO - PERU
Re: OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola, Gracias por la respuesta. Pero no sé porque va a ser OT? :?? Es una funcion de un programa de Linux en la distribucion que uso, Debian en Knoppix :?? Gracias. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz La Coruña R Leon wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:58:13PM +, Pedro M Glez wrote: Hola a todos Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. Gracias. un chat hecho en flash ? vaya aberracion pero si, funciona en mozilla-firefox por cierto se te olvido poner OT al asunto
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola, Gracias por la respuesta. Pero el java ya lo tengo. Y el chat de terra no va por java, va por flash :? El chat de wanadoo o ya va por java y funciona perfectamente Saludos, Pedro Muñoz La Coruña Gonzalo Campos wrote: Sencillamente necesitas el plugin de Java en tu browser
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola, Pues debo de ser muy burro, porque me sale el cuadro en blanco, eso si, si le doy a boton dcho sobre el me salen las opciones a configurar del flash, pero nada. He mirado los directorios y is estan los plugins instalados correctamente :-?? He probado Mozilla, Mozilla-firefox y Opera y nada :?? Que puedo tener mal? Que version de Flash teneis instalada? Gracias. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
El Jueves, 13 de Enero de 2005 16:26, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola, || || Pues debo de ser muy burro, porque me sale el cuadro en blanco, eso si, || si le doy a boton dcho sobre el me salen las opciones a configurar del || flash, pero nada. He mirado los directorios y is estan los plugins || instalados correctamente :-?? || He probado Mozilla, Mozilla-firefox y Opera y nada :?? || Que puedo tener mal? Que version de Flash teneis instalada? || Gracias. A mí sólo me funciona en Firefox (no he probado con Mozilla), pero en Konqueror y Opera no me va (y me suele funcionar bien en ambos todo el tema de Java y Flash). En cuanto a la versión de Flash que tengo pues ni idea, si te sirve uso Debian Sid, pero la verdad es que no me aclaro de cómo va el tema de los plugins de Flash y Java en Firefox, creo que hace tiempo me peleé bastante para que me reconociese el Flash que tenía instalado en el sistema. Y hace poco instalé también un paquete llamado flash-nonfree o algo así, que dicen que va mejor que el libre, no sé si tendrá algo que ver. Lo que te quiero decir es que no tengo ni idea de cómo decirte qué versión de Flash tengo instalada. Sí sabes cómo lo podría mirar coméntame y te digo. Ya te aviso que el tema de estos plugins en Firefox intento olvidarlo (con el de Java me estuve liado días venga a hacer enlaces y no lo conseguí).
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola, Gracias por responder. La verdad es que me abre el mismo programa al lanzar firefox en consola, es decir, el mozilla-firefox, y ahi no me va. He visto los enlaces que hace y son los mismos que en el mozilla :-?? En fin, a ver si alguien me puede descubrir como solucionarlo. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz Iñaki wrote: El Jueves, 13 de Enero de 2005 16:26, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola, || || Pues debo de ser muy burro, porque me sale el cuadro en blanco, eso si, || si le doy a boton dcho sobre el me salen las opciones a configurar del || flash, pero nada. He mirado los directorios y is estan los plugins || instalados correctamente :-?? || He probado Mozilla, Mozilla-firefox y Opera y nada :?? || Que puedo tener mal? Que version de Flash teneis instalada? || Gracias. A mí sólo me funciona en Firefox (no he probado con Mozilla), pero en Konqueror y Opera no me va (y me suele funcionar bien en ambos todo el tema de Java y Flash). En cuanto a la versión de Flash que tengo pues ni idea, si te sirve uso Debian Sid, pero la verdad es que no me aclaro de cómo va el tema de los plugins de Flash y Java en Firefox, creo que hace tiempo me peleé bastante para que me reconociese el Flash que tenía instalado en el sistema. Y hace poco instalé también un paquete llamado flash-nonfree o algo así, que dicen que va mejor que el libre, no sé si tendrá algo que ver. Lo que te quiero decir es que no tengo ni idea de cómo decirte qué versión de Flash tengo instalada. Sí sabes cómo lo podría mirar coméntame y te digo. Ya te aviso que el tema de estos plugins en Firefox intento olvidarlo (con el de Java me estuve liado días venga a hacer enlaces y no lo conseguí).
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:34:55AM -0500, Gonzalo Campos wrote: Sencillamente necesitas el plugin de Java en tu browser no, es el de flash saludos
Re: OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 01:06:45PM +0100, Pedro M Glez wrote: Hola, Gracias por la respuesta. Pero no sé porque va a ser OT? :?? Es una funcion de un programa de Linux en la distribucion que uso, Debian en Knoppix :?? primero te funciona el flash de otras paginas o de ninguna? segundo knoppix no es exactamente debian, ¿si sabes cuantas distros y, como les llamanan algunos, metadistros hay? por nombrarte algunas knoppix, gnoppix, DSL, ubuntu, pequelin, morphix, libranet, yoper, etc todas ellas muy buenas, y de ligeras a grandes diferencias con debian saludos Gracias. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz La Coruña R Leon wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:58:13PM +, Pedro M Glez wrote: Hola a todos Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. Gracias. un chat hecho en flash ? vaya aberracion pero si, funciona en mozilla-firefox por cierto se te olvido poner OT al asunto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola, Pues el caso es que en otras paginas sí me funciona :?? Y si voy a las opciones del chat o configuracion o lo q sea la dcha, en el cuadro que me dice si veo la imagen moverse (porque sino no tendria el plugin) pues ahi si veo la imagen flash. Por eso la extrañeza. Gracias de todas formas. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz
Re: OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Pedro M Glez escribi: Hola, Pues el caso es que en otras paginas s me funciona :?? Y si voy a las opciones del chat o configuracion o lo q sea la dcha, en el cuadro que me dice si veo la imagen moverse (porque sino no tendria el plugin) pues ahi si veo la imagen flash. Por eso la extraeza. Gracias de todas formas. Saludos, Pedro Muoz Que raro... yo en Mozilla si que lo veo. Vamos, que para probarlo he estado chateando un rato... a mi si me funciona bien. Uso Mozilla 1.7.5 y el Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25. -- Saludos, .''`. Rafael Fernndez Lpez : :' : `. `'` `- Debian GNU/Linux (SID) Utilizando Debian GNU/Linux. Por qu no te animas a probarlo? "My name is Linus, and I am your god." - Linus Torvalds "We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." - Linus Torvalds "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect." - Linus Torvalds
Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola a todos Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. Gracias. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz La Coruña -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
El Miércoles, 12 de Enero de 2005 23:58, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola a todos || Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el || Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. || Gracias. He probado por curiosidad y con el Firefox se puede. Eso sí, con Konqueror y Opera nada.
OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:58:13PM +, Pedro M Glez wrote: Hola a todos Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. Gracias. un chat hecho en flash ? vaya aberracion pero si, funciona en mozilla-firefox por cierto se te olvido poner OT al asunto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
Hola a todos Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. Gracias. Saludos, Pedro Muñoz La Coruña
Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
El Miércoles, 12 de Enero de 2005 23:58, Pedro M Glez escribió: || Hola a todos || Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el || Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. || Gracias. He probado por curiosidad y con el Firefox se puede. Eso sí, con Konqueror y Opera nada.
OT Re: Chat de terra en el Netscape 7.0
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:58:13PM +, Pedro M Glez wrote: Hola a todos Alguien ha hecho funcionar el chat de terra.es en linux? Ya tengo el Flash instalado (7.0), y nada. Uso el netscape 7.0. Gracias. un chat hecho en flash ? vaya aberracion pero si, funciona en mozilla-firefox por cierto se te olvido poner OT al asunto
netscape
hola estoy intentando hacer funcionar netscape-navigator pero me da este error /usr/lib/netscape/netscape-navigator: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory la cosa es que esas librerias las he instalado pero sigue igual, alguien sabe algun repositorio para bajar netscape? sabes de otros navegadores que no sean el mozilla?
Re: netscape
He buscado y nunca he encontrado que Netscape este en algun repositorio, pues me imagino que como no cumple con GNU, Debian no los pone en los repositorios. Hay muchos más y buenos, esta el firefox, esta galeon, esta konqueroro que es de KDE, esta Opera, esta epiphany, etc. On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:19:03 +0100, Antonio M Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hola estoy intentando hacer funcionar netscape-navigator pero me da este error /usr/lib/netscape/netscape-navigator: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory la cosa es que esas librerias las he instalado pero sigue igual, alguien sabe algun repositorio para bajar netscape? sabes de otros navegadores que no sean el mozilla? -- ¡¡Abajo los imperialistas!! No a la invasión en Irak
Konqueror and Netscape Email Site
I can't log into the Netsacape email web site using Konqueror. I visited the Konqueror page and they have a FAQ stating that unchecking the setting that only allows cookies from the host server would solve the issue. This did not work for me, so I was wondering if anyone has had success and what settings they may have done. Thanks, Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer
For some unknown reason, everything works now. Netscape prints. Konqueror prints. lp book.ps lpq lprm lp book2.pdf All working! I selected lazerjet4 driver. I know it didn't used to work. Seems rebooting the computer might possibly have something to do with fixing it??? CUPS and setting up printers via the K-menu works great. Thanks to all, J --- On Mon 07/26, J F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: J F [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer brThis is the most informative thing I have found so far:brhttp://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/V.CUPS-Filtering-Architecture/V.CUPS-Workshop-LinuxKongress2002-Content.htmlbrbrHe sort of implies CUPS has a (I inferred built-in)brfilter to rasterize postscript:br4.3. The pstoraster-filterbrNext call is for pstoraster. This one is at the core of the CUPS RIP. Currently it is still derived off Ghostscript version 5.50. This sounds (and is) quite old, but the CUPS developers have applied many modifications and patches of their own to it an, so that the consecuting raster drivers in the chain still are able to drive many inkjet printers to true photo quality output. brbrI'll read up on gs-esp and cupsys-driver-gimpprint package brin the morning. brThanks,brJbrbr --- On Sun 07/25, csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:brFrom: csj [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brDate: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:15:15 +0800brSubj ect: Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printerbrbrOn 25. July 2004 at 3:11PM -0400,brJ F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:brbr I found some documentation at:br http://www.cups.org/documentation.php It seems cups can printbr postscript, even if your personal printer can't, but there arebr not examples of how to set it up.brbrThe Debian cups packages should do the setup for you. Cups isbrmore like the mailman. The actual business of postscriptbrprinting is handled by ghostscript. The Debian cups packages usebrgs-esp as backend. The cupsys-driver-gimpprint package providesbrsupport for additional printers.brbrbr-- brTo UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] brwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]brbrbrbr___brJoin Excite! - http://www.excite.combrThe most personalized por tal on the Web!brbrbr-- brTo UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] brwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]brbr ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer
On 26. July 2004 at 2:32PM -0400, J F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some unknown reason, everything works now. Netscape prints. Konqueror prints. lp book.ps lpq lprm lp book2.pdf All working! I selected lazerjet4 driver. I know it didn't used to work. Seems rebooting the computer might possibly have something to do with fixing it??? CUPS and setting up printers via the K-menu works great. I suspect that's because rebooting restarted CUPS. There are of course less drastic ways to restart CUPS like /etc/init.d/cupsys restart (you have to be root). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer
I found some documentation at: http://www.cups.org/documentation.php It seems cups can print postscript, even if your personal printer can't, but there are not examples of how to set it up. Still haven't gotten netscape to print, but got Konqueror to quit chopping off the top, sides, and bottom quarter inch of the page I'm printing: diff /etc/cups/ppd/* 106c106 *ImageableArea Letter/US Letter: 25 25 587 767 --- *ImageableArea Letter/US Letter: 0 0 612 792 118c118 *ImageableArea Legal/US Legal: 25 25 587 983 --- *ImageableArea Legal/US Legal: 0 0 612 1008 ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer
On 25. July 2004 at 3:11PM -0400, J F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found some documentation at: http://www.cups.org/documentation.php It seems cups can print postscript, even if your personal printer can't, but there are not examples of how to set it up. The Debian cups packages should do the setup for you. Cups is more like the mailman. The actual business of postscript printing is handled by ghostscript. The Debian cups packages use gs-esp as backend. The cupsys-driver-gimpprint package provides support for additional printers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer
This is the most informative thing I have found so far: http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/LinuxKongress2002/Tutorial/V.CUPS-Filtering-Architecture/V.CUPS-Workshop-LinuxKongress2002-Content.html He sort of implies CUPS has a (I inferred built-in) filter to rasterize postscript: 4.3. The pstoraster-filter Next call is for pstoraster. This one is at the core of the CUPS RIP. Currently it is still derived off Ghostscript version 5.50. This sounds (and is) quite old, but the CUPS developers have applied many modifications and patches of their own to it an, so that the consecuting raster drivers in the chain still are able to drive many inkjet printers to true photo quality output. I'll read up on gs-esp and cupsys-driver-gimpprint package in the morning. Thanks, J --- On Sun 07/25, csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: csj [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:15:15 +0800 Subject: Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer On 25. July 2004 at 3:11PM -0400,brJ F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:brbr I found some documentation at:br http://www.cups.org/documentation.php It seems cups can printbr postscript, even if your personal printer can't, but there arebr not examples of how to set it up.brbrThe Debian cups packages should do the setup for you. Cups isbrmore like the mailman. The actual business of postscriptbrprinting is handled by ghostscript. The Debian cups packages usebrgs-esp as backend. The cupsys-driver-gimpprint package providesbrsupport for additional printers.brbrbr-- brTo UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] brwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]brbr ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer
Konqueror prints fine, but netscape prints in postscript and I see just the text which composes the postscript being printed, not the rasterized image. I did find some documentation: http://www.cups.org/documentation.php Also found a tutorial. I'll post if I figure it out. Thanks. --- On Fri 07/23, Eric Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eric Brown [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:31:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer br- Original Message - brFrom: J F [EMAIL PROTECTED]brTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brSent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:12 PMbrSubject: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don'tbrhave a postscript printerbrbrbrbr Printing from Netscape seems to default tobr Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer.brbr Is there a way to set up 2 print spools?br One called hpprinter and one called hpprinter-P?br Both would be the same except hpprinter-P wouldbr go thru a postscript to raster converter tobr emulate postscript?brbr I have been playing around with cups and kde printer,br but I am still lost in the jungle.brbr Or can Netscape be configured to not outputbr postscript?brbr Thanks in advance,br JbrbrWhat little I know about Linux printing:brbrAll Linux programs speak postscript for printing. The printing system youbruse will use a filter to conv ert postscript into the language used by yourbrprinter. You may need to install the filter package and then set up thebrprinter in CUPS or LPR or what ever.brbrYou can apt-get the gimp-print package which provides photo quality filtersbrfor many printers.brbrThen use printmgr (root access required) to install your printer.brbrEricbrbrbr-- br br ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer
- Original Message - From: J F [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer Printing from Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer. Is there a way to set up 2 print spools? One called hpprinter and one called hpprinter-P? Both would be the same except hpprinter-P would go thru a postscript to raster converter to emulate postscript? I have been playing around with cups and kde printer, but I am still lost in the jungle. Or can Netscape be configured to not output postscript? Thanks in advance, J What little I know about Linux printing: All Linux programs speak postscript for printing. The printing system you use will use a filter to convert postscript into the language used by your printer. You may need to install the filter package and then set up the printer in CUPS or LPR or what ever. You can apt-get the gimp-print package which provides photo quality filters for many printers. Then use printmgr (root access required) to install your printer. Eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer
On 22. July 2004 at 4:12PM -0400, J F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Printing from Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer. But there are free software postscript emulators that will let you print as though you have a postscript printer, e.g. gs-gpl or gs-esp. Maybe that's why Netscape (on GNU/Linux) defaults to a postscript printer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer
Printing from Netscape seems to default to Postscript(tm of Adobe), but I don't have a postscript printer. Is there a way to set up 2 print spools? One called hpprinter and one called hpprinter-P? Both would be the same except hpprinter-P would go thru a postscript to raster converter to emulate postscript? I have been playing around with cups and kde printer, but I am still lost in the jungle. Or can Netscape be configured to not output postscript? Thanks in advance, J ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problema java plugin + netscape 7 en debian
Hola estimados Listeros. Recurro a Uds, ya que no encuentro la forma de poder instalar el famoso Java Plugin para Netscape, he seguido todos los pasos que aparecen en la pagina de la SUN y uno que otro manual por la web, e ingresado a canales de IRC y mas alla de un tipico RTFM o un STFW no recivo. y necesito entregar este pc y otros mas con el soporte para java. Si alguien pudiese ayudarme con esto, le estaria eternamente agradecido caracteristicas pc p3 550 mhz hd 15 Gb ram 128 kernel 2.6.3 Debian Sid Saludos, Nelson
netscape plugin java com erro
Bom dia, alguem jah passou por isso? ou saiba me ajudar. tropical:/home/carlucio# cd /usr/local/netscape/plugins/ tropical:/usr/local/netscape/plugins# ls flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so libnullplugin.so tropical:/usr/local/netscape/plugins# ln -s /java/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so libjavaplugin_oji.so tropical:/usr/local/netscape/plugins# exit exit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/local/netscape/netscape INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory? System error?:: Success [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ -- Carlucio Lopes - Debian Gnu/Linux+Tinycobol+Tcl+Postgresql Pirataria!!??.. entenda o que e'.- www.carlinux.hpg.com.br Goiania-Goias-Brasil 62-526-8006 62-9946-3523 icq - 267274130 msn - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape
I'm afraid you're not on the right mailing list,Sharon. Windows is really too complex us, I'm sorry A. smith8597 wrote: How do I know which version of Netscape Instant Messenger to use? I operate two computers. Windows xp, and windows 95. Sharon Smith -- Aurelien Ricard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape
Aurel wrote: I'm afraid you're not on the right mailing list,Sharon. Windows is really too complex us, I'm sorry A. smith8597 wrote: How do I know which version of Netscape Instant Messenger to use? I operate two computers. Windows xp, and windows 95. Sharon Smith Hello Sharon, I'm afraid not a lot is happening with Netscape these days. What you could do is go here:- http://www.mozilla.org/ and order the Mozilla 1.6 C.D., which will have the programme you want. It will be the same thing, as Netscape was built on the programme that Mozilla provided. There is a windows version which will work with both versions that you have installed. After you have tried it, come back and tell us what you think about it, and we'll give you some other ideas for open source software you will like to try. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netscape
How do I know which version of Netscape Instant Messenger to use? I operate two computers. Windows xp, and windows 95. Sharon Smith
Re: Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
Leo Spalteholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:27:54 -0800: On March 29, 2004 11:40 am, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 10:30:22AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Dale Amon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While the Mozilla family has many nice new features, it simply falls over and dies when attempting to print pages on many major news outlets. After Mozilla crashes or locks up cold, I start up Netscape and print there. Have you considered Konqueror? I think his goal is to have something that works *better* than Mozilla, not worse. ^_^ That's subjective, I find konqueror to be better in most cases. In any case, he wants good printing support so he can have something to fire up if mozilla chokes on the printing. He doesn't have to switch to konqueror, its just an alternative to print complex pages. I think some people still can't use anything like konq or mozilla or family because of their speed. On my box, *all* browsers are hideously slow (and take up lots of ram too). The only browsers I find acceptable are dillo (which is just a html displayer, it can do virtually nothing else), links and family (I really would like to use a graphics capable browser) or netscape 4.x (breaks on many ill-designed sites). I miss the old days when people cared about the size of their programs and optimising things, instead of just using the oh it's so cheap to upgrade line. :( flame suit ready Having said that, I did once try Konq on a fast box, and wasn't impressed. It looked like the rest of KDE. Blech. /flame suit ready -- TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/ If I sit here and stare at nothing long enough, people might think I'm an engineer working on something. -- S.R. McElroy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
Colin: thanks for the info. I have the feeling that Netscape is not the only critical application that has been broken as I note (but have not yet read) a messages about compupic further down the page. Your answer that others have seen and fixed the problem is comforting... the last time this happened I had to downgrade all the way to woody for 6 months. I'll just put a hold on any sarge upgrades until this shows up. There are such things as mission critical applications, those applications for which you simply cannot do without or cannot invest learning curve time to changeover. That's one big reason I moved to open source: I got sick and tired and fed up with proprietary software vendors pulling the rug from under me all the time, costing me time and money and making me spend efforts on installing and learning their tools instead of doing the work I actually want to do. As to Konqueror. Yeah, looks nice, but... Last time I used it I got my links page eaten in due to confusion between features in mozilla/netscape world and it. Figuring out what happend and restoring from backups cost me a day's work. I never went back. Another poster noted what total hogs all of these browsers are. I agree. They totally eat your computer alive. You have to kill the browser every now and then because the laptop or workstation becomes slower than doing it all on paper. They used to even crash X entirely if you let it go too long. Hopefully someday there will be a good browser for Linux. Good not meaning featureful (Galeon is very nice that way): good meaning respectful of resources, of other processes, of not crashing... -- -- Dale Amon [EMAIL PROTECTED]+44-7802-188325 International linux systems consultancy Hardware software system design, security and networking, systems programming and Admin Have Laptop, Will Travel -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
Incoming from Tim Connors: I miss the old days when people cared about the size of their programs and optimising things, instead of just using the oh it's so cheap to Me too. :-P A lot of people should go read Bentley's Programming Pearls and find out what it's like to have 2k words of RAM free and need to sort a file on disk. flame suit ready Having said that, I did once try Konq on a fast box, and wasn't impressed. It looked like the rest of KDE. Blech. /flame suit ready Also me too, but you'd better try Konq again. I've heard a lot of reports about its having grown up a lot functionally. And considering the long-term stability of Mozilla, ... -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
The latest round of updates seems to be trying to remove my netscape browser, which is much unappreciated. While the Mozilla family has many nice new features, it simply falls over and dies when attempting to print pages on many major news outlets. After Mozilla crashes or locks up cold, I start up Netscape and print there. -- -- Dale Amon [EMAIL PROTECTED]+44-7802-188325 International linux systems consultancy Hardware software system design, security and networking, systems programming and Admin Have Laptop, Will Travel -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:39:15 +0100 Dale Amon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest round of updates seems to be trying to remove my netscape browser, which is much unappreciated. Presumably you mean Netscape 4.77. It depends on old X library packages whose functionality is replaced by new packages (with different names) in Xfree86 v4.3. That said, I don't know whether the issue is that the new libraries are in some way incompatible with the old library calls (so that NS4 won't work with them); or whether it's simply a reorganizing of package contents and the NS4 packages don't know about the new packages (they don't explicity satisfy NS4's dependencies) and the new packages don't have Provides: fields covering the old libraries. You could try going ahead with the updates, then re-installing NS 4.77 by hand, telling dpkg to not worry about dependancies; and then see if NS still works. Otherwise, I guess you gotta choose between X 4.3 and NS 4.77. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 08:53:23AM -0500, Chris Metzler wrote: On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:39:15 +0100 Dale Amon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest round of updates seems to be trying to remove my netscape browser, which is much unappreciated. Presumably you mean Netscape 4.77. It depends on old X library packages whose functionality is replaced by new packages (with different names) in Xfree86 v4.3. That said, I don't know whether the issue is that the new libraries are in some way incompatible with the old library calls (so that NS4 won't work with them); or whether it's simply a reorganizing of package contents and the NS4 packages don't know about the new packages (they don't explicity satisfy NS4's dependencies) and the new packages don't have Provides: fields covering the old libraries. I understand that the new XFree86 packages are going to stop conflicting with the old libc5-based X libraries in the next update. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
Dale Amon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The latest round of updates seems to be trying to remove my netscape browser, which is much unappreciated. While the Mozilla family has many nice new features, it simply falls over and dies when attempting to print pages on many major news outlets. After Mozilla crashes or locks up cold, I start up Netscape and print there. Have you considered Konqueror? -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. debian.org aboutdebian.com pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 10:30:22AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Dale Amon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While the Mozilla family has many nice new features, it simply falls over and dies when attempting to print pages on many major news outlets. After Mozilla crashes or locks up cold, I start up Netscape and print there. Have you considered Konqueror? I think his goal is to have something that works *better* than Mozilla, not worse. ^_^ Mozilla's printing support is legendary for the problems it causes. XPrint might be a possible solution. -- Marc Wilson | There's so much to say but your eyes keep [EMAIL PROTECTED] | interrupting me.
Re: Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
On March 29, 2004 11:40 am, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 10:30:22AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Dale Amon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While the Mozilla family has many nice new features, it simply falls over and dies when attempting to print pages on many major news outlets. After Mozilla crashes or locks up cold, I start up Netscape and print there. Have you considered Konqueror? I think his goal is to have something that works *better* than Mozilla, not worse. ^_^ That's subjective, I find konqueror to be better in most cases. In any case, he wants good printing support so he can have something to fire up if mozilla chokes on the printing. He doesn't have to switch to konqueror, its just an alternative to print complex pages. ~leo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge is trying to remove Netscape
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 11:40:11AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 10:30:22AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Dale Amon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While the Mozilla family has many nice new features, it simply falls over and dies when attempting to print pages on many major news outlets. After Mozilla crashes or locks up cold, I start up Netscape and print there. Have you considered Konqueror? I think his goal is to have something that works *better* than Mozilla, not worse. ^_^ Konqueror can fit that description. When I come across a site that won't render properly in a Mozilloid browser, or that tells me An error has occurred (yuck) half way through some signup procedure, Konqueror is my fallback, and usually fixes the problem. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
probleme connection avec Mozilla, Konqueror et Netscape
Pour 1 site au moins, je n'arrive pas à me connecter, - ni avec konqueror ( ni 2.1 [je crois], ni 2.2.2 ) - ni avec mozilla ( ni 1.0, ni 1.5 ) [ni sans ni avec Tabbrowser ] - ni avec netscape ( sauf 4.77, qui est très peu confortable ) . Je savais me connecter avec Netscape6.2 ( sous RedHat 7, avec kernel 2.2 ), mais netscape6.2 ne veut plus fonctionner sous Debian ( /home/pcarabin/Netscape_6.2/mozilla-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ) Sous RedHat, Netscape7 ne donnait PAS accès au site, et je ne l'ai pas [encore] installé sous Debian. Sur le site, ils donnent les trucs suivants : Settings to check if problems connecting * Ensure ports 80 and 443 are open on the Proxy Server / Firewall - the resellers technical staff must check this * Go back into Tools - Internet Options and ensure the following is available under the Advanced Tab * HTTP 1.1 enabled * HTTP 1.1 through proxy enabled ? JIT Compiler enabled ? Use Fortezza enabled * Use SSL 2.0 enabled * Use SSL 3.0 enabled Qu'est-ce que JIT ? Qu'est-ce que Fortezza ? Le reste est en ordre... Merci d'avance, Patrick Carabin. «Plant in de tuin van je hart slechts de roos der liefde» «Dans le jardin de ton coeur, ne plante que la rose d' amour» Baha'u'llah.
Re: probleme connection avec Mozilla, Konqueror et Netscape
Bonjour (quand même) Patrick Carabin a écrit : Pour 1 site au moins, je n'arrive pas à me connecter, - ni avec konqueror ( ni 2.1 [je crois], ni 2.2.2 ) - ni avec mozilla ( ni 1.0, ni 1.5 ) [ni sans ni avec Tabbrowser ] - ni avec netscape ( sauf 4.77, qui est très peu confortable ) . Bah donne l'URL, qu'on la teste... Settings to check if problems connecting * Ensure ports 80 and 443 are open on the Proxy Server / Firewall Normal... * HTTP 1.1 enabled * HTTP 1.1 through proxy enabled Pas très original non plus... ? JIT Compiler enabled JIT = compilateur Just In Time, c'est le type de compilateur Java utilisé pour les applets (si je ne pas dis de co***rie) ? Use Fortezza enabled Aparemment, ça a l'air d'être une marque de jetons d'authentification... Tu sais, les petits trucs qui te donnent des chiffres pour ton mot de passe, et que tu as oublié dans ton pantalon de la veille à chaque fois que tu en as besion ;-) Enfin, le site que tu veux accéder doit demander une authentification couplée à ce genre de jetons. Merci d'avance, De rien. Juste une remarque. Il me semble que si tu n'arrives pas à te connecter à ton site, je n'ai pas remarqué de problème sur Google aujourd'hui. Comme ce post n'est pas vraiment ciblé pour une utilisation de Debian, tu aurais pu prendre le temps de chercher un peu avant de soumettre ta requête. Les informations que je te donne, même si leur exactitude n'est pas prouvée, m'ont demandé exactement 5 min... Patrick Carabin.
Re: probleme connection avec Mozilla, Konqueror et Netscape
Bonjour, Je te demande de m'excuser, en relisant mon message, je me rends compte que j'ai tout faux, même mon titre n'était pas exact, ce n'est pas la «connexion» qui ne marche pas, mais l'acceptation de mon mot de passe, qui est rejeté ( bien que correct ) Je vais essayer de reformuler ma question plus correctement demain ( sans douter serai-je moins fiévreux/vaseux/distrait/débile/... ) Merci bcp pour les renseignements que tu m'as fournis, je crois que je vais essayer de contacter la firme pour demander quoi, mais c'est difficle: - ils sont tout simplement difficle à joindre - s'ils sont comme 1 banque dont nous sommes en train de nous séparer, ils sont capables de nous dire que les produits «InterVIRUS exploreur-du-net» sont les plus sûrs et donc recommandés, alors qu'il y a sans doute qqpart 1 petite option à changer ou peut-être 1 plugin ? Patrick Carabin. Le Mardi 23 Mars 2004 13:27, Bilbo a écrit : Bonjour (quand même) Patrick Carabin a écrit : Pour 1 site au moins, je n'arrive pas à me connecter, - ni avec konqueror ( ni 2.1 [je crois], ni 2.2.2 ) - ni avec mozilla ( ni 1.0, ni 1.5 ) [ni sans ni avec Tabbrowser ] - ni avec netscape ( sauf 4.77, qui est très peu confortable ) . Bah donne l'URL, qu'on la teste... Settings to check if problems connecting * Ensure ports 80 and 443 are open on the Proxy Server / Firewall Normal... * HTTP 1.1 enabled * HTTP 1.1 through proxy enabled Pas très original non plus... ? JIT Compiler enabled JIT = compilateur Just In Time, c'est le type de compilateur Java utilisé pour les applets (si je ne pas dis de co***rie) ? Use Fortezza enabled Aparemment, ça a l'air d'être une marque de jetons d'authentification... Tu sais, les petits trucs qui te donnent des chiffres pour ton mot de passe, et que tu as oublié dans ton pantalon de la veille à chaque fois que tu en as besion ;-) Enfin, le site que tu veux accéder doit demander une authentification couplée à ce genre de jetons. d'après ce que j'avais vu, ça devait être un appareil, genre lecteur de cartes, mais je n'en avais pas besoin avec Netscape6... Merci d'avance, De rien. Juste une remarque. Il me semble que si tu n'arrives pas à te connecter à ton site, je n'ai pas remarqué de problème sur Google aujourd'hui. Comme ce post n'est pas vraiment ciblé pour une utilisation de Debian, tu aurais pu prendre le temps de chercher un peu avant de soumettre ta requête. Les informations que je te donne, même si leur exactitude n'est pas prouvée, m'ont demandé exactement 5 min... Patrick Carabin. --
Re: Netscape segmentation fault
Marie Regine SAPIR wrote: Hello, My bank is driving me crazy... I can't get their online banking system with any of the browsers I regularly use (galeon, opera, mozilla). They absolutely want Netscape 4.7 (or IE, but that's not really an option). What bank is this? What's the url? Have you complained to them, telling them that you would like support for Opera and Mozilla or a new bank? Have you tried 'faking it'? There was a thread not too long ago where someone mentioned that you can set the browser tag in Opera so it looks like NS4. The two ways I can think of off of the top of my head for identifying a browser are looking at the browser tag or running javascript to check for some functions. Maybe there is a need for Mozilla to have a 'pretend I'm NS4' mode. snip However, after uninstalling, there's still lot's of stuff left: the whole directory /usr/lib/netscape/ (pointed to by /usr/bin/X11/netscape - /etc/alternatives/netscape - /usr/lib/netscape/477/communicator/communicator-smotif) is still there... $ su Password: # dpkg -P netscape netscape-smotif-477 communicator dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove netscape which isn't installed. dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove netscape-smotif-477 which isn't installed. dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove communicator which isn't installed. How about purging communicator-smotif as well since that is what your alternatives is pointing too for 'netscape'. snip Can someone tell me how I go about reparing Netscape? Sorry. I don't know if I can help you with that directly. I can give you some pointers on the package management though. Try dselect or even better aptitude. Use their search features to find all the installed netscape and communicator packages installed and purge them all. Then re-install. -- Jacob Anawalt - Not on the list, following via news. - I apologize in advance for the missing muttish headers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 4.7x, unstable and XFree4.3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 27 February 2004 04:29 am, Andreas Bach Aaen wrote: Hi, I have sucessfully used Netscape Navigator 4.7x from stable in my othervise unstable installation. After upgrading unstable to XFree4.3 it removed netscape as it couldn't provide the needed dependancies. Is there any way to solve this? I need this old outdated version of Netscape, as my homebanking requires it. When It try to install navigator I get: --- apt-get install navigator Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: navigator: Depends: navigator-smotif-477 but it is not going to be installed Depends: netscape-base-4 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages --- Regards, Are you sure Konqueror 3.1.5 or the current version of Mozilla do not work ? My banks site became workable with Konq 3.1.2 and works with modern versions of Mozilla. My bank is an IE preffered web site (: - -- Greg Madden Debian GNU/Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAQFXbk7rtxKWZzGsRAvddAKDJvaLyXa+UHHd9vJDDnyJPTkDL4ACfUjoj wAYSDsgBLmv1EG9UlV2QKU0= =7jEd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 4.7x, unstable and XFree4.3
On Friday 27 February 2004 11:49 am, Vineet Kumar wrote: * Andreas Bach Aaen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040227 05:32]: I need this old outdated version of Netscape, as my homebanking requires it. Hi Andreas, Sorry, this is another post which does not answer your question. But IMO, this is as good a reason as any to switch banks. I've done this in the past for specifically this reason. I can't stand a bank claiming that they provide Internet Banking only to find out later that (for no good reason) they do browser checks or other broken javascript crap which prevents it from running properly. I'd never use a bank whose branches featured drive-up tellers that only served SUVs. This is the same thing. I see this as an opportunity to let the bank know that their broken technology is actively driving their customers away to their competitors. Tell them you'll bring your money back if they'll give you a call when they've fixed it. If you don't follow my thinking purely on philosophical grounds, extrapolate their incompetence at putting together a simple web application to the security of your money elsewhere in the bank's various other systems, and switch for your own safety. True. Any web site that requires such an outdated web browser as Netscape 4.x is broken, as far as I'm concerned. Banks are notoriously conservative when it comes to computing, but it can't be THAT hard to keep a web site updated. Alternatively, The Mozilla based browsers (Mozilla, Firefox, Galeon, etc.) as well as Konqueror and Opera can be set to lie in their User-Agent strings, which should get you past your bank's lame browser checks. pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Netscape 4.7x, unstable and XFree4.3
Hi, I have sucessfully used Netscape Navigator 4.7x from stable in my othervise unstable installation. After upgrading unstable to XFree4.3 it removed netscape as it couldn't provide the needed dependancies. Is there any way to solve this? I need this old outdated version of Netscape, as my homebanking requires it. When It try to install navigator I get: --- apt-get install navigator Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: navigator: Depends: navigator-smotif-477 but it is not going to be installed Depends: netscape-base-4 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages --- Regards, -- /\ ,_ _|,_ _ _ _, |¨) _ _ |_/\ _ _ ,_ /¨¨\| )(_|| (-'.-|`-, |¨).-|(_ | ) /¨¨\.-|(-'| ) ¨¨ grep -r 'Andreas Bach Aaen' /usr/src/linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 4.7x, unstable and XFree4.3
On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 14:29, Andreas Bach Aaen wrote: Hi, I have sucessfully used Netscape Navigator 4.7x from stable in my othervise unstable installation. After upgrading unstable to XFree4.3 it removed netscape as it couldn't provide the needed dependancies. Is there any way to solve this? I need this old outdated version of Netscape, as my homebanking requires it. When It try to install navigator I get: --- apt-get install navigator Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: navigator: Depends: navigator-smotif-477 but it is not going to be installed Depends: netscape-base-4 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages [ ... ] I'm on unstable, powerpc: $ apt-cache policy navigator-smotif-477 W: Unable to locate package navigator-smotif-477 $ apt-cache policy netscape-base-4 netscape-base-4: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version Table: So I'd try to get set up /etc/apt/sources.list for stable, too, but without removing the lines for the unstable versions, and then do something along the line # apt-get --simulate install -t stable netscape-package and look what apt-get says ... HTH Best Regards Wolfgang -- Profile, Links: http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 4.7x, unstable and XFree4.3
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 02:29:02PM +0100, Andreas Bach Aaen wrote: Hi, I have sucessfully used Netscape Navigator 4.7x from stable in my othervise unstable installation. After upgrading unstable to XFree4.3 it removed netscape as it couldn't provide the needed dependancies. Is there any way to solve this? I need this old outdated version of Netscape, as my homebanking requires it. Really? No others work? One other possibility might be Opera (it can be set up to identify itself as mozilla 4.78, although the identity doesn't always guarantee it will work exactly the same.) I haven't yet tried it with XFree4.3 either. Sorry, that really doesn't answer your question, I know. -- Chris Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- GNU/Linux --- The best things in life are free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 4.7x, unstable and XFree4.3
* Andreas Bach Aaen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040227 05:32]: I need this old outdated version of Netscape, as my homebanking requires it. Hi Andreas, Sorry, this is another post which does not answer your question. But IMO, this is as good a reason as any to switch banks. I've done this in the past for specifically this reason. I can't stand a bank claiming that they provide Internet Banking only to find out later that (for no good reason) they do browser checks or other broken javascript crap which prevents it from running properly. I'd never use a bank whose branches featured drive-up tellers that only served SUVs. This is the same thing. I see this as an opportunity to let the bank know that their broken technology is actively driving their customers away to their competitors. Tell them you'll bring your money back if they'll give you a call when they've fixed it. If you don't follow my thinking purely on philosophical grounds, extrapolate their incompetence at putting together a simple web application to the security of your money elsewhere in the bank's various other systems, and switch for your own safety. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. -- Albert Einstein signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: netscape 7.02
ViNiCiUs [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu o seguinte sobre o tema Alguém sabe como atualizar o browser da netscape para a versão 7.02 ? Eu nunca vi atualização para o Netscape. Sempre é preciso baixar o arquivo completo. -- Data estelar: 2.453.021,380 (2004-1-16 19:06:39) Estamos nessa porcaria de horario de verao
