Strong and Humble writes:
What I want(ed) is that my system show always the same time regardless of
the winter time and I yet could synchronize my system w/ NTP-servers. I
know that the servers are in UTC. But the problem w/ me was that once the
'winter time' comes and I synchronize my system
Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk пишет:
cat /etc/timezone - mine reads /Etc/GMT
Run dpkg-reconfigure -plow tzdata
Scroll down to None of the above - and choose GMT or the
appropriate offset.
Done :)
Thank You very much, Andrew and others who has answered my question.
I
Strong and Humble wrote:
What I want(ed) is that my system show always the same time regardless
of the winter time
You can do that, but I wonder why you would want to. I assume you live
in an area where there are daylight saving time shifts, so it would be
weird that your clocks show an
Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 01:09:10PM EDT, Paul E Condon wrote:
But exact spot? That would imply different clock settings in
different rooms of one's home. Not for me.
Fancy that.. under our latitudes, when your house is a few hundred yards
wide.. never
On Tuesday 31 March 2009 00:39:46 Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon March 30 2009 16:12:57 Tom Furie wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last
shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30 2009, Paul E Condon wrote:
You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a
slave to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an
hour the night before. This is not the behavior of a rational being,
IMHO. The only
On 2009-03-31 06:56, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30 2009, Paul E Condon wrote:
You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a
slave to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an
hour the night before. This is not the
On 2009-03-30 21:47, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-30_18:57:33, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Whoever decided on an epoch of 1970-01-01 00:00:00 was extraordinarily
shortsighted, though. The OpenVMS epoch gives much more flexibility...
I'm not familiar with the OpenVMS epoch, but I don't
Scooty Puff writes:
Even those who run their own businesses are slaves to their customers.
If your open-for-business hours are inconvenient for them, they'll go
somewhere else.
You could change your open-for-business hours to suit your customers
without resetting the clocks in your home.
Paul E Condon wrote:
You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a slave
to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an hour the
night before. This is not the behavior of a rational being, IMHO. The only
reason, IMHO, that you subscribe to such nonsense is
On 2009-03-31_08:25:57, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-30 21:47, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-30_18:57:33, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Whoever decided on an epoch of 1970-01-01 00:00:00 was extraordinarily
shortsighted, though. The OpenVMS epoch gives much more
flexibility...
I'm not
On 2009-03-31 08:29, John Hasler wrote:
Scooty Puff writes:
Even those who run their own businesses are slaves to their customers.
If your open-for-business hours are inconvenient for them, they'll go
somewhere else.
You could change your open-for-business hours to suit your customers
without
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:13:12PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Paul E Condon writes:
The current standard is better described as a de-jure standard, IMHO.
Didn't Congress pass a law on this issue?
Of course. Otherwise we might have people doing things without
permission. Everything
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
In the meantime it has proven to be a lot of hassle with no
(or very little) benefit and - at least in my country - the vast
majority is in favour of abolishing this enslaving of millions of
biorythms.
s/biorhythm/circadian rhythm/
Johannes
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 11:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
[snip]
A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in
MST
(Mountain Standard Time) to MDT (Mountain Daylight Time). It did this, I
believe, because the switch-over is mandated in the official locale
coding
I wrote:
Of course. Otherwise we might have people doing things without
permission. Everything _must_ be regulated, after all.
Tzafrir Cohen writes:
Sure. Why not use a time zone based on the exact spot where you live?
Why not use time zones based on voluntary standards? People can and do
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Why don't you just tell your OS that you live in Arizona? That's
Mountain Time, and they don't do DST, IIRC.
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Why don't you just tell your OS that you live in Arizona? That's
Mountain Time, and they don't do DST, IIRC.
Indeed:
$ zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Phoenix | grep 2009
[nothing]
On 2009-03-30_07:37:30, ghe wrote:
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Why don't you just tell your OS that you live in Arizona? That's
Mountain Time, and they don't do DST, IIRC.
After I learned where to look on this list, I looked there, and found
some very nice advance work by
On 2009-03-30_09:41:58, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:13:12PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Paul E Condon writes:
The current standard is better described as a de-jure standard, IMHO.
Didn't Congress pass a law on this issue?
Of course. Otherwise we might have people
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 10:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_22:29:41, Strong and Humble wrote:
Good day.
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has
no winter time shift whole year? What I want is to stay the same time
(without winter shift) whole
On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 10:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_22:29:41, Strong and Humble wrote:
Good day.
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has
no winter time shift whole year? What I want is to stay the same time
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 02:50:55PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 10:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_22:29:41, Strong and Humble wrote:
Good day.
[snip]
If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is most likely
On 2009-03-30 15:50, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is most likely
UTC.
On a Linux computer, the internal clock is almost certainly *NOT* UTC,
rather it is seconds since Unix Epoch, often
On 2009-03-31_07:58:03, Alex Samad wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 02:50:55PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 10:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_22:29:41, Strong and Humble wrote:
Good day.
[snip]
If you only have Linux
On 2009-03-30_16:21:39, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-30 15:50, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is most
likely UTC.
On a Linux computer, the internal clock is almost certainly *NOT* UTC,
rather
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 01:09:10PM EDT, Paul E Condon wrote:
[..]
FYI. GMT definition is based on an exact spot with in the campus of
the old Greenwich Observatory (which has now been decommissioned).
Telescopes to the east or the west of that spot by about 289 meters
have local time that is
[..]
Anyway, what's the purpose of why you want to do this? To confuse
yourself when looking at any other clock?
You do know how Albert Einstein graduated from peculiar moron to
universal genius..?
CJ
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last
shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you 'lose an
hour' in switching from standard to summer time. It is conventional
wording, it is
On Mon March 30 2009 16:12:57 Tom Furie wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last
shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you 'lose an
hour' in switching from standard to summer
On 2009-03-30 17:52, Chris Jones wrote:
[snip]
Would that be Boulder, CO..? I vaguely remember that my alarm clock
sync's to its master over there, but I can't seem to get ahold of its
manual just now.
http://tf.nist.gov/cesium/fountain.htm
http://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvb.htm
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On 2009-03-30 17:47, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-30_16:21:39, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-30 15:50, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is most
likely UTC.
On a Linux computer, the internal
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 07:47:50PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-30 17:52, Chris Jones wrote:
[snip]
Would that be Boulder, CO..? I vaguely remember that my alarm clock
sync's to its master over there, but I can't seem to get ahold of its
manual just now.
On 2009-03-31_00:12:57, Tom Furie wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last
shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you 'lose an
hour' in switching from standard to summer
On 2009-03-30_16:39:46, Mike Bird wrote:
On Mon March 30 2009 16:12:57 Tom Furie wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:47:38PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
Now, I want to stop arguing about the descriptions. But just one last
shot. I believe it is factually incorrect to say that you 'lose an
On 2009-03-30_18:57:33, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-30 17:47, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-30_16:21:39, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-30 15:50, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_11:15:15, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
If you only have Linux on your computer, then it's clock is most
On 2009-03-30 21:19, Paul E Condon wrote:
[snip]
You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a slave
to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an hour the
night before. This is not the behavior of a rational being, IMHO. The only
reason, IMHO, that you
On Mon, Mar 30 2009, Paul E Condon wrote:
You did not lose an hour. You got up an hour early because you are a
slave to the reading on a clock that you know you set forward by an
hour the night before. This is not the behavior of a rational being,
IMHO. The only reason, IMHO, that you
Good day.
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has
no winter time shift whole year? What I want is to stay the same time
(without winter shift) whole year, yet be able synchrinize my system
time with a ntp-server.
How I can do this?
Thank You for Your time.
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:29:41PM +0800, Strong and Humble wrote:
Good day.
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has
no winter time shift whole year? What I want is to stay the same time
(without winter shift) whole year, yet be able synchrinize my system
time
Strong and Humble writes:
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has no
winter time shift whole year?
Sure. Many time zones have no daylight savings or summer time. Just
pick an appropriate one or create your own.
What I want is to stay the same time (without
On 2009-03-29_22:29:41, Strong and Humble wrote:
Good day.
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has
no winter time shift whole year? What I want is to stay the same time
(without winter shift) whole year, yet be able synchrinize my system
time with a ntp-server.
On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
Strong and Humble writes:
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has no
winter time shift whole year?
Sure. Many time zones have no daylight savings or summer time. Just
pick an appropriate one or create your own.
On 2009-03-29 10:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_22:29:41, Strong and Humble wrote:
Good day.
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has
no winter time shift whole year? What I want is to stay the same time
(without winter shift) whole year, yet be able
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
Strong and Humble writes:
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has
no winter time shift whole year?
Sure. Many time zones have no daylight savings or summer
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:07:54AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
Strong and Humble writes:
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has no
winter time shift whole year?
Sure. Many time zones have no daylight savings
Paul E Condon writes:
Wow! A kindred spirit. I have often wished for this too, but thought I
was the only person in the world who was such an outlier as to want it.
Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua are
purportedly GMT -6 (which is the same as CST) with no DST.
On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
Strong and Humble writes:
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone that has
no winter time shift whole year?
Sure.
Paul E Condon writes:
I'm not OP, but I think I also want what, I believe, he wants, namely: A
locale that I can select that will give me text displays of the time, and
text displays of file mtimes that do not mention, or use, summer time,
ever.
You can configure your timezone independently
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:49:22 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
Strong and Humble writes:
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time zone
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:53:57AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
For me, summer-time has always been something of an annoyance.
For me Daylight Savings Time has always been idiocy.
BTW your file mtimes are stored in Unix time and converted to your
timezone for display.
And the time zone
On 2009-03-29 11:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
[snip]
A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in MST
(Mountain Standard Time) to MDT (Mountain Daylight Time). It did this, I
believe, because the switch-over is mandated in the official locale coding
for this region
AndyC writes:
Run dpkg-reconfigure -plow tzdata
Scroll down to None of the above - and choose GMT or the appropriate
offset.
This is much better than my suggestion of choosing a country with the
appropriate offset.
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Tzafrir Cohen writes:
So generally there's no need to change a timezone to make the DST take
effect. Just set the proper time zone in advance.
DST taking effect automatically is exactly what Paul is objecting to. He
wants no DST at all. AndyC has provided a solution.
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On 2009-03-29_13:06:18, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 11:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
[snip]
A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in MST
(Mountain Standard Time) to MDT (Mountain Daylight Time). It did this, I
believe, because the switch-over is mandated in the
On 2009-03-29_17:14:44, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:49:22 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
Strong and Humble writes:
Just wanted to
On 2009-03-29 14:05, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_13:06:18, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 11:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
[snip]
A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in MST
(Mountain Standard Time) to MDT (Mountain Daylight Time). It did this, I
believe,
On 2009-03-29 13:27, John Hasler wrote:
Tzafrir Cohen writes:
So generally there's no need to change a timezone to make the DST take
effect. Just set the proper time zone in advance.
DST taking effect automatically is exactly what Paul is objecting to. He
wants no DST at all. AndyC has
On 2009-03-29_11:53:57, John Hasler wrote:
Paul E Condon writes:
I'm not OP, but I think I also want what, I believe, he wants, namely: A
locale that I can select that will give me text displays of the time, and
text displays of file mtimes that do not mention, or use, summer time,
ever.
Paul E Condon writes:
So the inodes in Linux file systems will have to get bigger when 64bit
Unix time really comes into eeffective use. Do you know anything about
the plans for this transition?
Ext4 solves the timestamp problem.
With the recent explosion in the size of hard disks there will
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 05:02:17PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote:
Tzafrir Cohen writes:
DST taking effect automatically is exactly what Paul is objecting to. He
wants no DST at all. AndyC has provided a solution.
Tell him to move to Arizona!!!
Silly me.. I felt all along there was one good
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:49:22AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
Strong and Humble writes:
Just wanted to know if it is possible to specify a time
On 2009-03-30_10:31:27, Alex Samad wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:49:22AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
Strong and Humble writes:
Just
On 2009-03-29 20:47, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-30_10:31:27, Alex Samad wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:49:22AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_09:59:49, John Hasler wrote:
On 2009-03-29_20:58:05, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 20:47, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-30_10:31:27, Alex Samad wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:49:22AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_16:19:28, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 29 March 2009 17:07:54 Paul E Condon wrote:
On
On 2009-03-29_16:01:29, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 14:05, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 2009-03-29_13:06:18, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2009-03-29 11:49, Paul E Condon wrote:
[snip]
A few weeks ago, my Lenny system switched over from displaying time in MST
(Mountain Standard Time) to MDT
Paul E Condon writes:
The current standard is better described as a de-jure standard, IMHO.
Didn't Congress pass a law on this issue?
Of course. Otherwise we might have people doing things without
permission. Everything _must_ be regulated, after all.
But there was no budget for going
On 2009-03-29 21:56, Paul E Condon wrote:
[snip]
The regular movement of the time of noon over the span of a year is
part of reality that I know, understand, and to some extent, treasure.
I think I am not in denial about who I am, or where I am. Unless, of
course, it turns our on further
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