Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-03-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
Thanks all for your discussion on Lyx vs LaTex (and Word). I've been traveling and now pouring through a month's worth of emails. Just before I left, after reading all the documents that come with the TexLive system on Debian, I took 30 minutes and translated a few Lout letters into Latex. It

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-24 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 10:13:39PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 22:05, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar printout next to your terminal. I prefer 2 screens

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not easily handled by a wysiwig. Lyx, but why? Discovered 'gnuhtml2latex'. What a *neat*

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread Stephen
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 10:54:30PM +1300 or thereabouts, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread tom arnall
On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not easily handled by a

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread Russell L. Harris
* tom arnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070224 17:28]: On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-24 Thread tom arnall
On Saturday 24 February 2007 16:15, Russell L. Harris wrote: * tom arnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070224 17:28]: On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key:

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-22 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/07 02:00, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? It's

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-22 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: It's not Polite (nay, it's downright stupid) to ask Why do you want to know that? on a -user mailing list. Erm, it's impolite to ask pertinent questions? Personally I find it impolite to be offended on when other people question you on why you are questioning them.

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-02-14 10:44:48, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez: That depends on how you define usable. Word might handle a 25 page document. The experience of many of my friends has been that big documents (25 pages is not big) are a real pain Word. One friend of mine did his thesis (350-400 pages) in

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-02-16 09:30:36, schrieb Greg Folkert: Not permanently and not in your normal.dot. At least *I* could never Hmmm, in the german and french versions it CAN be switched off. Maybe you have a special version of the DHS which correct US- American if they do not follow the party line. :-))

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-02-14 11:33:04, schrieb Greg Folkert: Install Cygwin, its the only way to semi-fix it. ??? bash.exe, perl.exe and python.exe can run definitivly in a DOS-Box since I use it for DJGPP http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Michael M.
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Actually, I'm serious about the utility of big line printers. The large print and *wide*, lined paper made it easy to step thru your program, making notes, side

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:51:40AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Actually, I'm serious about the utility of big line printers. The large print and *wide*, lined paper made it easy

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 12:05, Dave Sherohman wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:51:40AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Actually, I'm serious about the

latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-21 Thread tom arnall
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:49, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:45:16PM +, Alan Chandler wrote: I no longer have anything to do with that area - but I would say today that we still cannot produce documents with the consistency and completeness (proper version

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-21 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what a great thread. hopefully we can begin 'subject'ing it properly with this mail. what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

2007-02-21 Thread tom arnall
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 11:52, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: what a great thread. hopefully we can begin 'subject'ing it properly with this mail. what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy stuff

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar printout next to your terminal. I prefer 2 screens now. Left screen is the on-line Python manual, right screen is my code in vim, fully expanded. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 22:05, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar printout next to your terminal. I prefer 2 screens now. Left screen is the on-line Python manual, right screen is my

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: fully expanded? Yes, I am using vim in a wicked GUI and click on the leetle button which expands the window to the entire screen. :P Although I pine for the day I can give Wing IDE a try. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 23:00, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: fully expanded? Yes, I am using vim in a wicked GUI and click on the leetle button which expands the window to the entire screen. :P Although I pine for the day I can give Wing

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: What GUI would that be? The relevance being? I figured since you didn't know the terms of fully expanded you were one of dem d'ere CLI people who think GUIs are da werk uf da debil! -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key:

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: What GUI would that be? The relevance being? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? I figured since you didn't know the terms

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Alan Chandler
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: FYI: Just for perspective, I'm also old enough to remember designing control logic for film processors used for in preparing print the old-fashioned way (you know, half-tone separations, prepared with screens and cameras) - and, for

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:45:16PM +, Alan Chandler wrote: I no longer have anything to do with that area - but I would say today that we still cannot produce documents with the consistency and completeness (proper version control of all documentation, with the version numbers

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: [snip] in about 1982 I was in the market for a line printer so that my team could print out their software listings and was pursuaded by the our HP

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: [snip] in about 1982 I was in the market for a line printer so that my team could

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote:

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Steve Lamb
Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( Yup, yup and yup. Of course having to work on some model or another of green-bar printer for the past year-and-a-half lemme tell you,

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:15, Kevin Mark wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: On

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( Yup, yup and yup. Of course having to work on

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( Yup, yup and yup. Of course having

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:59, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover otherwise you'd

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-16 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I hate some of the auto-corrections it makes. AOL! But you can turn them off. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-16 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 22:12 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I hate some of the auto-corrections it makes. AOL! But you can turn them off. Not permanently

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-16 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:30:36 -0500 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 22:12 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I hate some of

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-15 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Miles Fidelman wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable and it works. Just looking at the number of word documents

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-15 Thread Jean-Paul Mannie
For me the main advantages of LaTeX over Word is the easy incorporation of references, citations and numbering figures and tables. Offcourse Word is also able to do this, but with a lot more trouble. Something like 'headings' always want to do things differently then the author. I wrote several

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-15 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable That depends on

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
Stephen wrote: The other fella Miles Fieldman, (I think) mentioned that corporations use word templates etc. Sure, for filling in a form letter, however it's been my experience that the majority of corporate branding is done in design and typesetting shops, not by Suzy or Joe using MSFT Word. I

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread marc
Miles Fidelman said... Stephen wrote: The other fella Miles Fieldman, (I think) mentioned that corporations use word templates etc. Sure, for filling in a form letter, however it's been my experience that the majority of corporate branding is done in design and typesetting shops, not by

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable That depends on how you define usable.

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:38:03AM -0500, Stephen wrote: You don't know MSFT Word well do you ? It's relatively easy to create a TOC from a structured Word document. Doesn't take much skill at all. The key is structure, and to work in outline view. Have you actually verified that the TOC is

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 11:08:13PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Oh come on. At the company we just left, we generated 2-3 proposals a month, each at 25 pages or so, using Word. There are lots of reasons to dislike Word, but get real, it's usable

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] That depends on how you define usable. Word might handle a 25 page document. The experience of many of my friends has been that big documents (25 pages is not big) are a real pain Word. One friend of mine did his thesis

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 11:33:04AM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 10:44 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I mean, people often complain about the lack of uniformity in GUI programs targetted at Linux. Windows is just as bad, but people choose to overlook it for some

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-14 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 10:48:21AM -0500 or thereabouts, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 01:38:03AM -0500, Stephen wrote: You don't know MSFT Word well do you ? It's relatively easy to create a TOC from a structured Word document. Doesn't take much skill at all. The

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd contest this. Not to mention those in the advertising and marketing

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 06:17, Miles Fidelman wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits,

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 01:35, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/12/07 11:49, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I might be a

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Tyler Smith
On 2007-02-13, Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd contest

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 07:30, Tyler Smith wrote: On 2007-02-13, Miles Fidelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Miles Fidelman wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd contest this. Not to mention those in the

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. I think there are an awful lot of us in business, non-profits, and government who'd

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:05:26 -0500 Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [... snip ...] On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:41, Micha Feigin wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:06:15 -0500 If Office is the issue, and not Windows overall, then why should she buy office when she can use OpenOffice

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:17:41 -0500 Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. I'm just starting down the LaTex and Lyx road (from Lout since I want

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:08:14 -0500 cga2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 12:17:41PM EST, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. I'm just

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:48:40 -0500 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:40:45 -0600 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/07 06:17, Miles Fidelman wrote: Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 06:49:14PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: I might be a bit of a purist, but I would say that even for one page of a document you will be better of with LaTeX. Word output might be ok for a quick fax, but the printed text from a half-way decent printer will always

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 08:35:15AM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Outside of high academia the publishing industry, that amount of precision doesn't really matter. Outside of high academia the publishing industry, most people don't care how ugly their printed documents look. They

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Chris Bannister wrote: If an M$ Word user has the skill to automatically generate a TOC from a reasonably sized document, then I take my hat off to them. I have seen the results of an unsuccessful attempt, unfortunately it was a team report. :-( There are a lot of maschoists out there. If I see

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 04:59:45PM +0100 or thereabouts, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: [ ...] To take this further, one would have to argue about what is ugly. There is a continuous scale from very ugly to very beautiful. Products like M$ Word cover the range from very ugly to somewhere in

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-13 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 04:46:35PM +1300 or thereabouts, Chris Bannister wrote: If an M$ Word user has the skill to automatically generate a TOC from a reasonably sized document, then I take my hat off to them. I have seen the results of an unsuccessful attempt, unfortunately it was a team

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-12 Thread Joe Hart
Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/11/07 19:48, Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-12 Thread Joe Hart
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:03:18 +0100 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, did it again. I am so used to hitting reply. I have to remember Reply to ALL... 'Reply to list' would be better. There was just recently a thread about Icedove/Thundebird extensions

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-12 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:27:13AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: How can anyone outside of MS support the software? If one does not understand the internal workings, one cannot adequately support the software. s/MS/Ford/ s/software/automobile/ I would submit that most mechanics are not

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-12 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lyx is good for big documents, or when you already have a class to use. If you are doing something small (one or two pages) and atypical it might be faster to just use abiword.

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-12 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/12/07 11:49, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I might be a bit of a purist, but I would say that even for one page of a

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-12 Thread Niels Rasmussen
Joe Hart wrote: Talk about smart software. Thanks for the tip. OHOOO :-) Yes this one is awesome !! And it works perfectly here! And if someone is looking for the url, it's right here ;-): http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/114-thunderbird-+-reply-to-list-...-here-it-comes.html --

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 02:08:14PM -0500, cga2000 wrote: If you are a vim user insist on working in something gui you may want to take a peek at this: http://vim-latex.sourceforge.net Have you managed to get it working with vim7.x? -- Chris. == Don't forget to check that your

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 10:12:42PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: If you want a GUI, use Lyx. If you want to just use Vim, then use straight LaTex. Or auctex with emacs. Thanks Doug. I will definately have to check it out. Most of my work is fiction and doesn't need to TOC or the index, but does

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-12 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/12/07 11:49, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I might be a bit of a purist, but I would say that even for one page of a document you will be better of

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:03:18 +0100 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, did it again. I am so used to hitting reply. I have to remember Reply to ALL... 'Reply to list' would be better. There was just recently a thread about Icedove/Thundebird extensions to achieve that. Regards, Andrei

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Joe Hart
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:03:18 +0100 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, did it again. I am so used to hitting reply. I have to remember Reply to ALL... 'Reply to list' would be better. There was just recently a thread about Icedove/Thundebird extensions to

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 11 February 2007 04:43, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:03:18 +0100 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, did it again. I am so used to hitting reply. I have to remember Reply to ALL... 'Reply to list' would be better. There was just

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 07:03:18AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Guillermo Garron wrote: On 2/11/07, Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guillermo Garron wrote: tom arnall wrote: Yes, it works that way because Debian Testing is constantly being updated with packages. The latest release of Ubuntu

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:06:15 -0500 Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 11 February 2007 04:43, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:03:18 +0100 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, did it again. I am so used to hitting reply. I have to

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:41, Micha Feigin wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:06:15 -0500 Hal Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 11 February 2007 04:43, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:03:18 +0100 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn,

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. I'm just starting down the LaTex and Lyx road (from Lout since I want html output option). Is there anything that you _can't_ do with Lyx that you can do with

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/07 03:43, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:03:18 +0100 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, did it again. I am so used to hitting reply. I have to remember Reply to ALL... 'Reply to list'

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread cga2000
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 12:17:41PM EST, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. I'm just starting down the LaTex and Lyx road (from Lout since I want html output

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Joe Hart
Hal Vaughan wrote: If Office is the issue, and not Windows overall, then why should she buy office when she can use OpenOffice for free and it will read and write all MS Office files? Why pay for Microsoft when there's a FOSS program that is not going to be an infection vector for viruses?

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. lyx is good for big documents, or when you already have a class to use. If you are doing something small (one or two pages) and atypical it might

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Joe Hart
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: So Ubuntu in effect Freezes the release sooner and then just does bug fixes until they figure it is stable enough, whereas Debian doesn't freeze testing untill more stuff is ready? No. Ubuntu takes a snapshot, then does bugfixes/modifications for a specific

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Joe Hart
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. lyx is good for big documents, or when you already have a class to use. If you are doing something small (one or

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/07 14:16, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. lyx is good for big

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 09:03:14PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: The MS Office is already bought. The issue is when she opens a .doc file that she created on another computer with OO, it doesn't look the same. If she creates a .doc file with OO and uses MS Word to open it, it doesn't look the

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 09:16:50PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. lyx is good for big documents, or when you already have a class

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Joe Hart
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 09:16:50PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. lyx is good

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Michael Pobega
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 07:03:18AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Yes, it works that way because Debian Testing is constantly being updated with packages. The latest release of Ubuntu is always a snapshot of Unstable a few months before they release. By the time they

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:35:48 -0500 Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as Peter Parker's uncle said, With great power there must also come great responsibility. That's a good quote for the novice-doc project ;) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Joe Hart
Michael Pobega wrote: Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 07:03:18AM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Yes, it works that way because Debian Testing is constantly being updated with packages. The latest release of Ubuntu is always a snapshot of Unstable a few months before

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 23:50 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: [...snip...] Exactly. The policy for Ubuntu is 18 month support for normal versions, 36 month for Dapper, which was released in June 2006. Normal releases 18 months for Desktop and Server For LTS releases: 36 months for Desktop 60 months

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I am a bigger fan of lyx, but that's a hard sell for office fans. lyx is good for big documents, or when you already

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/07 19:48, Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The document was the production scheduling system...

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

2007-02-11 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/11/07 19:48, Greg Folkert wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:16 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The document was the production

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