Re: choosing a web browser
Zenaan Harkness wrote: I need a sane webbrowser. Firstly, I'm not interested in rolling releases. In my experience, Firefox 3.6 was the pinnacle in browsers, in the days when Epiphany was also a fine option. Things appear to have gone downhill bigtime since then, as far as I can tell. Seeking something that is 100% libre, and supported in Debian Wheezy, to install and admin/maintain for Debian deployments which I do occasionally for friends and for a human rights association that I volunteer at (upmart.org). I have been unable to deploy anything for six months (besides time constraints, I am struggling with finding a modern desktop, voip client etc - but I don't want to hijack my own thread here...) What I've tried: * Iceweasel 10 LTS used for 6 months - I have been running wheezy/testing for 6 months, and about two weeks ago switched to sid/unstable - I can put up with various problems for an extended period of time, but I wish to reach deployability for others not technically versed as I am. Problems: every now and then, firefox causes a core or two to hit 100% for a couple seconds, causing the fan to spin up (and this, with no pages loading, animations stopped, no java, no javascript etc, only scrolling up and down a single tab/page - eg gmail static (my rural link too slow for javascript)) - this looks like a GC (garbage collection) type artifact, and is so obtrusive that I've decided it's a deal breaker. The following browsers I've been trying over the last day: * Midori (using now) Not showing the tabs Private browsing option doesn't remember settings (at least, I've tested proxy setting); tabs do not show at all - I've tried each binary Preferences setting for always display tabs, then restarting midori, but no joy. btw, midori -p does show it's tabs. Thankfully, CTRL-PgUp/PgDown does cycle amongst tabs, but not seeing them is a deal breaker. * Netsurf Has wacko keybindings: CTRL-PgUp/Down does not change tabs; CTRL-RightArrow/LeftArrow does change tabs (so when editing in a field eg writing an email, I cannot jump a word at a time, nor select a word at a time!); tab key does not include going from address bar to search bar/field; keyboard scrolling of page does not work well/ sometimes I can't seem to keyboard scroll at all; I had difficulty copying an email address off a page (no right click menu option for this). This keyboard firetruckery is a deal breaker. * Epiphany Epiphany. How I loved epiphany back in the days of Gnome 2 and Firefox 3.5, when I took a walk on the wild side of Ubuntu, and settled in on Ubuntu 8.04. Firefox 3.6 managed to provide enough reasons use it predominantly. Back to the present: Epiphany is not showing its toolbar icons; it has a whole menu bar with a single Web menu. There's a different menu behind one of the faceless icons on the icon bar. * Luakit I installed this, started it up twice, and would love to learn it (I use vim for most of my editing). Unfortunately, this browser demands learning its ways, so it is not suitable for general deployment. As technically gluttonous as I'd like to be in satisfying my own power-user needs, there are other higher priorities in my life - facilitating community actions and community helpers/ volunteers, to do their good work in a relatively secure environment. This means I must be eating the dog food I deploy. For me to get to deployment, in this so modern era of amazing omg integrated unified cross-device ponies and So, are you ready for BYOD? desktops ... well, it hasn't been possible for me in the last year. This is incredibly frustrating; battling default samba configurations is one thing, but I can't even find a deployable browser, consistent XP-style UI experience etc. Sorry, sorry, I'm ranting again! I promise I'll keep it to browsers. There are plenty of other threads we _could_ create. TIA, Zenaan PS: For those who, like me, didn't know what BYOD meant before yesterday: Bring Your Own Device. I use seamonkey as my default because you can use it check your e-mail and send messages. jozien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513dfc93.7020...@comcast.net
Re: choosing a web browser
On 2013-03-10 04:03, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Sorry, sorry, I'm ranting again! I promise I'll keep it to browsers. There are plenty of other threads we_could_ create. I use Firefox. Why? Because I use Thunderbird and I'd rather not load WebKit for another purpse. What I mean is I want to keep my system lightweight: - I dont wanna load Qt and GTK at the same time, so I use GTK-only softwares - I dont wanna load Gecko and Webkit, so I use only Gecko based softs - ... Yes, I dont have the same purpose as you have :-) -- RMA. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513e0023.7060...@rktmb.org
Re: choosing a web browser
Zenaan Harkness schreef: I need a sane webbrowser. Firstly, I'm not interested in rolling releases. In my experience, Firefox 3.6 was the pinnacle in browsers, in the days when Epiphany was also a fine option. Things appear to have gone downhill bigtime since then, as far as I can tell. Seeking something that is 100% libre, and supported in Debian Wheezy, to install and admin/maintain for Debian deployments which I do occasionally for friends and for a human rights association that I volunteer at (upmart.org). I have been unable to deploy anything for six months (besides time constraints, I am struggling with finding a modern desktop, voip client etc - but I don't want to hijack my own thread here...) What I've tried: * Iceweasel 10 LTS used for 6 months - I have been running wheezy/testing for 6 months, and about two weeks ago switched to sid/unstable - I can put up with various problems for an extended period of time, but I wish to reach deployability for others not technically versed as I am. Problems: every now and then, firefox causes a core or two to hit 100% for a couple seconds, causing the fan to spin up (and this, with no pages loading, animations stopped, no java, no javascript etc, only scrolling up and down a single tab/page - eg gmail static (my rural link too slow for javascript)) - this looks like a GC (garbage collection) type artifact, and is so obtrusive that I've decided it's a deal breaker. The following browsers I've been trying over the last day: * Midori (using now) Not showing the tabs Private browsing option doesn't remember settings (at least, I've tested proxy setting); tabs do not show at all - I've tried each binary Preferences setting for always display tabs, then restarting midori, but no joy. btw, midori -p does show it's tabs. Thankfully, CTRL-PgUp/PgDown does cycle amongst tabs, but not seeing them is a deal breaker. * Netsurf Has wacko keybindings: CTRL-PgUp/Down does not change tabs; CTRL-RightArrow/LeftArrow does change tabs (so when editing in a field eg writing an email, I cannot jump a word at a time, nor select a word at a time!); tab key does not include going from address bar to search bar/field; keyboard scrolling of page does not work well/ sometimes I can't seem to keyboard scroll at all; I had difficulty copying an email address off a page (no right click menu option for this). This keyboard firetruckery is a deal breaker. * Epiphany Epiphany. How I loved epiphany back in the days of Gnome 2 and Firefox 3.5, when I took a walk on the wild side of Ubuntu, and settled in on Ubuntu 8.04. Firefox 3.6 managed to provide enough reasons use it predominantly. Back to the present: Epiphany is not showing its toolbar icons; it has a whole menu bar with a single Web menu. There's a different menu behind one of the faceless icons on the icon bar. * Luakit I installed this, started it up twice, and would love to learn it (I use vim for most of my editing). Unfortunately, this browser demands learning its ways, so it is not suitable for general deployment. As technically gluttonous as I'd like to be in satisfying my own power-user needs, there are other higher priorities in my life - facilitating community actions and community helpers/ volunteers, to do their good work in a relatively secure environment. This means I must be eating the dog food I deploy. For me to get to deployment, in this so modern era of amazing omg integrated unified cross-device ponies and So, are you ready for BYOD? desktops ... well, it hasn't been possible for me in the last year. This is incredibly frustrating; battling default samba configurations is one thing, but I can't even find a deployable browser, consistent XP-style UI experience etc. Sorry, sorry, I'm ranting again! I promise I'll keep it to browsers. There are plenty of other threads we _could_ create. TIA, Zenaan PS: For those who, like me, didn't know what BYOD meant before yesterday: Bring Your Own Device. try seamonkey (mozilla-branch) i use it to my needs (browsing and mailing) for years without any trouble. reg., steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513c42c7.6020...@home.nl
Re: choosing a web browser
try seamonkey (mozilla-branch) i use it to my needs (browsing and mailing) for years without any trouble. Thanks guys, I forgot about seamonkey. Found iceape. Will give it a try. Very much appreciate the pointer/reminder, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSSZLKpGVdX3Hw=DpRcGuL=g-0aem1kusv0f1lzdkla...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net wrote: the seamonkey package may be what you're looking for. It combines firefox with thunderbird in a single package and uses less system resources. It also doesn't update constantly either. Technically, it does not combine them; rather FF and TB split Mozilla (SeaMonkey) apart. Mozilla Alpha/Beta/Nightly user since ~2001 Cheers, Kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8f546a1ztswxmfwdhf6krfoet9zcb++uoqrvguu4x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
Hi On 10/03/13 01:03:53, Zenaan Harkness wrote: I need a sane webbrowser. ... What I've tried: ... * Epiphany Epiphany. How I loved epiphany back in the days of Gnome 2 and Firefox 3.5, when I took a walk on the wild side of Ubuntu, and settled in on Ubuntu 8.04. Firefox 3.6 managed to provide enough reasons use it predominantly. Back to the present: Epiphany is not showing its toolbar icons; it has a whole menu bar with a single Web menu. There's a different menu behind one of the faceless icons on the icon bar. That sounds very strange - is this with Gnome 3 ? -- Karl E. Jorgensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1362924427.31437.0@hawking
Re: choosing a web browser
On 3/11/13, Karl E. k...@jorgensen.org.uk wrote: On 10/03/13 01:03:53, Zenaan Harkness wrote: I need a sane webbrowser. ... * Epiphany Epiphany. How I loved epiphany back in the days of Gnome 2 and Firefox 3.5, when I took a walk on the wild side of Ubuntu, and settled in on Ubuntu 8.04. Firefox 3.6 managed to provide enough reasons use it predominantly. Back to the present: Epiphany is not showing its toolbar icons; it has a whole menu bar with a single Web menu. There's a different menu behind one of the faceless icons on the icon bar. That sounds very strange - is this with Gnome 3 ? XFCE 4.8, debian sid. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSR2=fvgqlszpfj5qq4scdvc96zm4tnl8o29nkj1nwc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:03:53PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: I need a sane webbrowser. Firstly, I'm not interested in rolling releases. In my experience, Firefox 3.6 was the pinnacle in browsers, in the days when Epiphany was also a fine option. Things appear to have gone downhill bigtime since then, as far as I can tell. I used to keep my users on Debian Stable's version of Iceweasel. In the last couple years, though, I've had complaints about certain features of websites not working properly with the outdated Iceweasel. Gmail and weather.com were two of the offending websites. Updating to the latest Iceweasel found at mozilla.debian.net fixed this. I guess what I'm saying is that finding a stable version of a web browser and keeping your users on that version is not necessarily the best way for you to avoid support calls. I've had fewer complaints now that I have Iceweasel automatically update to the newest available version. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130310152933.gb15...@aurora.owens.net
choosing a web browser
I need a sane webbrowser. Firstly, I'm not interested in rolling releases. In my experience, Firefox 3.6 was the pinnacle in browsers, in the days when Epiphany was also a fine option. Things appear to have gone downhill bigtime since then, as far as I can tell. Seeking something that is 100% libre, and supported in Debian Wheezy, to install and admin/maintain for Debian deployments which I do occasionally for friends and for a human rights association that I volunteer at (upmart.org). I have been unable to deploy anything for six months (besides time constraints, I am struggling with finding a modern desktop, voip client etc - but I don't want to hijack my own thread here...) What I've tried: * Iceweasel 10 LTS used for 6 months - I have been running wheezy/testing for 6 months, and about two weeks ago switched to sid/unstable - I can put up with various problems for an extended period of time, but I wish to reach deployability for others not technically versed as I am. Problems: every now and then, firefox causes a core or two to hit 100% for a couple seconds, causing the fan to spin up (and this, with no pages loading, animations stopped, no java, no javascript etc, only scrolling up and down a single tab/page - eg gmail static (my rural link too slow for javascript)) - this looks like a GC (garbage collection) type artifact, and is so obtrusive that I've decided it's a deal breaker. The following browsers I've been trying over the last day: * Midori (using now) Not showing the tabs Private browsing option doesn't remember settings (at least, I've tested proxy setting); tabs do not show at all - I've tried each binary Preferences setting for always display tabs, then restarting midori, but no joy. btw, midori -p does show it's tabs. Thankfully, CTRL-PgUp/PgDown does cycle amongst tabs, but not seeing them is a deal breaker. * Netsurf Has wacko keybindings: CTRL-PgUp/Down does not change tabs; CTRL-RightArrow/LeftArrow does change tabs (so when editing in a field eg writing an email, I cannot jump a word at a time, nor select a word at a time!); tab key does not include going from address bar to search bar/field; keyboard scrolling of page does not work well/ sometimes I can't seem to keyboard scroll at all; I had difficulty copying an email address off a page (no right click menu option for this). This keyboard firetruckery is a deal breaker. * Epiphany Epiphany. How I loved epiphany back in the days of Gnome 2 and Firefox 3.5, when I took a walk on the wild side of Ubuntu, and settled in on Ubuntu 8.04. Firefox 3.6 managed to provide enough reasons use it predominantly. Back to the present: Epiphany is not showing its toolbar icons; it has a whole menu bar with a single Web menu. There's a different menu behind one of the faceless icons on the icon bar. * Luakit I installed this, started it up twice, and would love to learn it (I use vim for most of my editing). Unfortunately, this browser demands learning its ways, so it is not suitable for general deployment. As technically gluttonous as I'd like to be in satisfying my own power-user needs, there are other higher priorities in my life - facilitating community actions and community helpers/ volunteers, to do their good work in a relatively secure environment. This means I must be eating the dog food I deploy. For me to get to deployment, in this so modern era of amazing omg integrated unified cross-device ponies and So, are you ready for BYOD? desktops ... well, it hasn't been possible for me in the last year. This is incredibly frustrating; battling default samba configurations is one thing, but I can't even find a deployable browser, consistent XP-style UI experience etc. Sorry, sorry, I'm ranting again! I promise I'll keep it to browsers. There are plenty of other threads we _could_ create. TIA, Zenaan PS: For those who, like me, didn't know what BYOD meant before yesterday: Bring Your Own Device. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnssvq8e+g6pbipmf_oz_-hopwoumdnjqu-+gre6wydd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
Update: * Google Chromium This does not appear (in an hour of usage) to have the CPU-spikes problem of iceweasel/firefox. Performance is fine on my modern laptop. Tabs work; CTRL-PgUp/Dn works. Has private browsing mode. I'm hoping proxy settings are remembered. Only downer is: does not integrate with standard (XFCE) style desktop/windows theme - ie Windows XP style windows theme. Chromium seems rather stuck on its own theme. So far, chromium appears to be the least inconvenient option, and I guess we can even call it mainstream.. When the next Firefox/Iceweasel ESR/LTS release is made, I may test that out too... but it looks like v10 is the security-supported option for Wheezy. Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnssdwx4ezwkxafxhkvatoeaso0uitudsymwg7izpf1w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Update: * Google Chromium This does not appear (in an hour of usage) to have the CPU-spikes problem of iceweasel/firefox. Performance is fine on my modern laptop. Tabs work; CTRL-PgUp/Dn works. Has private browsing mode. I'm hoping proxy settings are remembered. Only downer is: does not integrate with standard (XFCE) style desktop/windows theme - ie Windows XP style windows theme. Chromium seems rather stuck on its own theme. If you right-click on its top bar you should see an option to use system title bar and borders. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsM94QxFm-k9R54S4fvsis=zj7zps+vmuxezw-sq1ju...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
On 3/10/13, Patrick Wiseman pwise...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Update: * Google Chromium .. Only downer is: does not integrate with standard (XFCE) style desktop/windows theme - ie Windows XP style windows theme. Chromium seems rather stuck on its own theme. If you right-click on its top bar you should see an option to use system title bar and borders. Thank you. Also found remove bookmarks toolbar, and we're getting close enough. There are a lot of nice plug ins for iceweasel/firefox, but as said, the cpu spiking became a deal breaker (laptop fan spinning up as a result, cpu bouncing). Thanks again Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSRA25wp9uxY6Rp45YiBBdUvYMzK0=sUd80B=adgi-o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: choosing a web browser
the seamonkey package may be what you're looking for. It combines firefox with thunderbird in a single package and uses less system resources. It also doesn't update constantly either. --- jude jdash...@shellworld.net Microsoft, windows is accessible. why do blind people need screen readers? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.bsf.2.01.1303100342420.67...@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg
choosing default web browser in mutt
Hi Following excellent advice here recently, I used update-alternatives to make sure firefox is the system default web browser. AFAICT this is working fine. The problem arises in mutt. If I right-click on a link within an email, firefox will launch and display the page. However, if I receive an HTML/text email and press 'v' to view the attachment (which is the email in html format), hitting enter launches lynx, the previous system default browser. This is after rebooting having made the update-alternatives change. I've looked through my .muttrc file and there is nothing in there to suggest a default browser of any description. I tried adding: set web_browser=mozilla-firefox which gave syntax errors The mutt manual refers to adding: macro index \cb |urlview\n macro pager \cb |urlview\n to the .muttrc file but this has no noticeable effect. There appears to be no overall system mutt configuration file and frankly, I'm stumped. It is one of those minor irritations you live with until occasionally you think, I'll sort this out now ... TIA Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: choosing default web browser in mutt
[03/08/2005 -- 19:34u] Clive Menzies: The mutt manual refers to adding: macro index \cb |urlview\n macro pager \cb |urlview\n to the .muttrc file but this has no noticeable effect. It should make up a list of URLs contained in the message, each of which you can view with the default browser by hitting enter. It won't make any difference for text/html mails, of course. Maybe this comes in helpful: www.debian-administration.org/articles/75 . There appears to be no overall system mutt configuration file and frankly, I'm stumped. The overall system mutt config file would be /etc/Muttrc, I guess...? Cheers, Tom -- keys: http://tmp.verbreyt.be/files/ (abwaerts.asc verbreyt.asc) --- np: Haus Arafna - They Never More Open Their Eyes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: choosing default web browser in mutt SOLVED
On (03/08/05 19:54), Tom wrote: [03/08/2005 -- 19:34u] Clive Menzies: The mutt manual refers to adding: macro index \cb |urlview\n macro pager \cb |urlview\n to the .muttrc file but this has no noticeable effect. It should make up a list of URLs contained in the message, each of which you can view with the default browser by hitting enter. It won't make any difference for text/html mails, of course. Maybe this comes in helpful: www.debian-administration.org/articles/75 . It was indeed very helpful ;) It refers to creating a .mailcap file in your home directory: text/html; links %s; nametemplate=%s.html text/html; links -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput substitute your favourite browser for 'links' It also tells you to add: auto_view text/html to your .muttrc file I did this but found it tried to read all text/html messages in firefox. I disabled this and I get the behaviour I want. For messages that have an html attachment, pressing 'v' Enter launches firefox. Many thanks Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
