Re: DPL Elections 2010: Last call for nominations

2010-03-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:00:58AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:02:28AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 02:13:13AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : Well, if nobody but Zack is going to run, that would make for a rather dull and boring

Re: DPL Elections 2010: Last call for nominations

2010-03-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:17:46AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: It was pointed out to me on IRC that because I stated that I was running *because* Stefano was the only candidate, and that there are three candidates now, it might be good to clarify that I'm not withdrawing. So: I'm

Re: DPL Elections 2010: Last call for nominations

2010-03-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 08:02:20PM +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: Hi, The nomination period for the DPL election is almost over. At the time of this writing, there is still about 29 hours left. The nomination period ends on Thursday, March 11th, 2010 at 23:59:59 UTC.

Re: Draft GR: Simplification of license and copyright requirements for the Debian packages.

2010-01-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:47:41PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Dear all, a significant part of the time dedicated to make and update Debian packages is spent in making an exhaustive inventory of the copyright attributions of the distributed work, and to clean the upstream original sources

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
in this stage. But whatever. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 04:04:49AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: If you modify a GPL-licensed software and distribute the modified version in source form only, you do not have any long standing obligation. This is not the case here. That's

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:24:38PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:11:40PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:52:23PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: 2.1 This clause restricts how you can modify the software. Doing a simple modification

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG (take 2)

2009-11-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 08:52:23PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Dear developers, I respectfully submit this general resolution proposal to your consideration. (this GR proposal supersedes the proposal in 20090318235044.ga30...@yellowpig) Asking for seconds, (please CC me) Bill.

Re: Draft vote on constitutional issues

2009-05-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 06:59:41PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote: On Sun May 10 18:34, Luk Claes wrote: 3. Option X overrides a foundation document, possibly temporarily (?) Not possible. You can only override a decision and amending a foundation document is the previous option. What

Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 06:38:30PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:52:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 08:43:16AM +, MJ Ray wrote: AMENDMENT START Replace too

Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:52:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 08:43:16AM +, MJ Ray wrote: AMENDMENT START Replace too small with thought to be too small, but there is a lack of evidence

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Not that it makes much difference to 'further discussion', but: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: PROPOSAL START = General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. While

Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:37:02PM +, MJ Ray wrote: AMENDMENT START Replace too small with thought to be too small, but there is a lack of evidence about the correct level. Replace clause c with c) if general

Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 02:55:32PM +, MJ Ray wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:37:02PM +, MJ Ray wrote: AMENDMENT START

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:43:45PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: I have no problem with considering the following to be position statements: - Firmware blobs are not a DFSG violation - Allow releases with known DFSG violations They are interpreting the DFSG/SC. Actually, they are interpreting

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:06:49PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 08:13:05PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: This is an interpretation of the SC, not the DFSG, and a perfectly valid position statement. That can be seen as an interpretation of SC #4 (our priorities are our

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009: Final call for nominations.

2009-03-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:11:16PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:53:10AM +, Per Andersson wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Debian Project Secretary secret...@debian.org wrote: To be valid, a Debian Developer needs to send a signed email in which he

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2009-01-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:30:05PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: I don't think trivial cases are going to be much of a problem. In any case, I was thinking of a voting procedure for this body where the few voters would only be allowed to vote yes or no, plus perhaps a rationale; we don't

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 07:31:10PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: * Wouter Verhelst (wou...@debian.org) [081230 14:23]: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 08:52:55PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: The problem isn't that the secretary has the first call - but IMHO there should be an instance of appeal like

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 04:18:02PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: 1: I'd be happier, though, if those proposing and seconding options would be more careful about the effects that their options may have, and be more vigilant about withdrawing options when more palletable options exist. You should

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 08:52:55PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: * Wouter Verhelst (wou...@debian.org) [081229 15:36]: - In a country, the body that decides whether a law is or is not unconstitutional, can only do so when a citizen explicitly asks it to do so. In the absence

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:47:36AM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: Hi, On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:28:27AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: No. The constitution doesn't say that the secretary's job is to interpret the DFSG and decide if the 3:1 majority requirement applies. And the job of

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 09:55:36PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: I wish we could have in the world of GNU/Linux one, just one, please--just one--distribution which really took free software as of cardinal importance. Debian has promised to be that, while living up to the promise only in

[s...@powerlinux.fr: Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations]

2008-12-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, Sven asked me to forward this message to the list. Since it does not contain any of the vitriol for which he was expelled from the project, and since it does contain some valid points on the discussion in question, I decided to comply with his request. I'd like to say, though, that this does

Re: Final call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures$

2008-12-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:46:19PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Friday 12 December 2008 15:35, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org writes: On Friday 12 December 2008 12:57, Neil McGovern wrote: ..Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired

Re: Final call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

2008-12-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:27:49PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: As this is pushed via webwml, this isn't done automatically. For 'live' stats, see http://master.debian.org/~neilm/gr_membership/index.html In the past, manoj would link to his personal master.d.o pages for live stats from the

Debian and opinions (was: Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software)

2008-10-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:31:33AM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: Given that this hasn't reached the required number of seconds for a discussion period to start, and it's been three weeks since the initial mail, are you happy for this to be dropped? Yes. By now it's just plain too late; and given

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:45:53AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:17:18AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 04:51:45PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - I've always considered Debian to be a leading member of the Free Software community; as such, I feel it is our duty to tell others when we think they are straying off the path

Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA to their users on first run of the software. It does not currently require them to accept to it, so they can easily bypass the license by just ignoring

Re: vote

2008-04-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 10:59:42AM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: Hi Martin, * Martin Loschwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-08 10:30]: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [ 2 ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [ 3 ] Choice 2:

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2008: Marc Brockschmidt

2008-03-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 01:19:32PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: Hi, On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 09:22:19PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I have contacted a few people about helping out with the tasks above (and some I plan to contact) but I can't

Re: Supermajority requirement off-by-one error, and TC chairmanship

2008-02-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 07:24:50PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: The Technical Committee (and those interested in the libc's resolver behaviour) are having some trouble because of an off-by-one error in the supermajority specification in recent versions of the constitution. This was discussed

Re: electing multiple people

2007-10-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 11:57:18AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [...] ad-hoc voting methods. If there are other methods to use that have the same theoretical underpinnings as [2], I would be happy to consider them. What about the Kemeny-Young method?

Re: Amendment to: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-09-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 01:32:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:35:07 +0100, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we have a vote? Thanks for calling the vote. AIUI (tell me if I got this wrong - I'm new to this), I'm

Re: Amendment to: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-09-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 03:27:14PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 01:27:12PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:25:11AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Note that there could still be up to three weeks for discussion

Re: Amendment to: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 01:27:12PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:25:11AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Note that there could still be up to three weeks for discussion after the IRC debate but before voting closes. No! We have

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 11:52:58AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: 2. The election begins [-nine-] {+six+} weeks before the leadership post becomes vacant, or (if it is too late already) immediately. Is

Re: Amendment to: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 04:12:15PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: The campaign-only period is the most annoying bit of DPL elections, Actually, it's the most important bit in the DPL election. I see no need to shorten it -- on the contrary. -- Lo-lan-do Home is where you have to wash the dishes. --

Re: Amendment to: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:15:19PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:12:15 +0100, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Summary: reduce the campaign-only period to one week. [...] This would probably mean that organizing the debate

Re: Amendment to: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:25:11AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I, as a voter, would also like to have ample time for discussion about various topics after the IRC debate. [...] a week for discussion really does sound to me like too little time. Note that

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:58:47PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: While we're at it, I've long felt that a one-year DPL term is just too short (because a DPL needs to spend a few months to get worked in, and can't do all that much when the next election is about to turn up for fear of being

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 03:37:15PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Thursday 02 August 2007 14:26, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Thank you for the 542th Seconded. on this proposal. We don't even need to vote any more :-) Seriously, could we have this change without voting? No. And that's a

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 05:25:33PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote: On 02.08.2007 17:12 schrieb Kalle Kivimaa: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. And that's a good thing. Actually, *if* each and every developer formally seconds the resolution, I think the secretary could forego

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 07:38:15AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Please formulate a GR and I'll second it immediately. 18-24 months seems sensible, annual elections are a waste of everyone's time. FWIW, I believe that 2 years is too long, both for the DPL who may

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 02:30:31PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Personally, I think annual elections are a good thing, pretty much for the reasons outlined by Jeff in: http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus/2005-July/msg00030.html I'll summarize those as if people want continuity in

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 09:49:49AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While we're at it, I've long felt that a one-year DPL term is just too short (because a DPL needs to spend a few months to get worked in, and can't do all that much when the next

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:19:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: PS, probably too obvious to mention, but such an amendment needs to only take effect at the next election cycle. Yes, no doubt about that. -- Lo-lan-do Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode,

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-07-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:17:53AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Martin Schulze wrote: ftbfs.de is dealing with volatile, experimental buildd's, non official architectures. Thing that I'd have personally liked to see dealt with by debian.org and DSA. Sadly, DSA is

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-07-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:38:18AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, Andreas Barth wrote: And, BTW, the buildd admins of the experimental buildds are in touch with the buildd admins of the unstable buildds - and I discussed that matter with Ryan and James before setting up

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-07-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:52:02PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:47:22PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: On Sunday 29 July 2007, Clint Adams wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 08:12:51PM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote: The top complaints I'm reading from

Re: On the Debian Maintainers GR

2007-07-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 07:55:18PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: [...] Sure, Don't quit Debian then is a valid response (though I'm perhaps old-fashioned in terms of thinking that as a full member of an organisation I have a duty to participate in its democratic process, which I'm not

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 09:25:06AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The DFSG are hereby amended to add the following additional guideline: 10. No Required Contribution of Changes [...] 11. No Required Identity Disclosure [...] I think this is a

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-06-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:47:26PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 07:10:14PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:41:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:47:11AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: No, you are just a DD whose access to lists

Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute

2007-05-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:41:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:47:11AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: No, you are just a DD whose access to lists has been suspended. A sub-DD all the same, what about all those others who participated in those flamewars ? Sven, with all due

Re: GR PROPOSAL : The Debian Infrastructure is owned by the whole Debian project, and not a few select individuals.

2007-05-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 09:02:43AM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: In general, please don't interpret silence as implicit agreement. I'm not doing that. On the contrary. -- Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. -- To

Re: GR PROPOSAL : The Debian Infrastructure is owned by the whole Debian project, and not a few select individuals.

2007-05-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:20:33PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: I don't recognize the suspension as valid, Too bad, since apparently everyone else does (or at least if they don't, they aren't saying so) [...] We all joined Debian thinking each DD is equal in right and duties, No, that's not

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:51:23PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: It is amazing to what step people can resort just to silence the voice of their own concience and don't be reminded of their shame. There is no shame here. There is only annoyance. -- Shaw's Principle: Build a system that

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:36:57PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:42:13AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:51:23PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: It is amazing to what step people can resort just to silence the voice of their own concience

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:19:29AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: I am glad never to have worked full-time in such a workplace and would like to remind the project that another world is possible. Debian isn't out to rid the world of social unfairness; instead, Debian is out to provide a Free Operating

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 08:44:30AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally, I don't see distributing non-modifiable license texts to be violating the social contract. I'm curious to know how you reconcile Social Contract §1 and DFSG §3, and the fact

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 12:37:16PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, nobody cares for statements that can be normalized to 'you can do all this, except that, that, that, and that', and those should also be avoided if we want readers to take the spirit of

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:59:21AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: I disagree with this position. See Fabian Fagerholm's explanation. For a strong copyleft licence like the GPL it's particularly troublesome if people go around making minor edits: all of that code is licence-incompatible with all

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 05:50:36PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: This is a proposed text for a GR. I can't actually propose a GR (not a DD), so I request that someone else who cares propose it or a similar proposal. ---begin proposed GR--- Resolved: That the DFSG shall be amended, by

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixe

2007-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:17:59PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: An admittedly modest technical contributor to Debian, I have not earned the right to complain often, so I don't. Nevertheless, I agree pretty much completely with the words of Andreas Tille, Clint Adams and Frans Pop; and I

Re: Question to all the candidates: please explain GR-2006-001

2007-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
|||/ V: 2143 wouter Wouter Verhelst I was initially going to vote 1342 or 1243, since I did (and still do!) agree with the position that there are some problems in the wording of the anti-DRM, and some of the other clauses. However, somewhere during the discussion (which took place

Re: Question to all the candidates: please explain GR-2006-001

2007-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:53:56AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 08:35 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : While there are other problems than the invariant section, it was really the biggest problem and the others will probably disappear with the next GFDL update

Re: Question to all the candidates: what mistakes have you made and what did you learn of it

2007-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:08:20AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Hi all, Since so much of the perceived troubles debian has been having lately can be traced down to arrogance and pride, as well as failures to communicate, i want to ask these question to the DPL candidates now : 1) Can you

Re: Question for all candidates, was: Google SoC 2007 - we're in, sign up quickly!

2007-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:22:40AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like Google is really everywhere these days. I'm curious about SoC: What where the last year's Debian projects and what was there outcome? Which projects where successful and which failed?

Re: Question for all candidates: pushing people

2007-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 03:03:05PM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote: * Wouter Verhelst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070316 14:35]: How would other candidates avoid dropping topics like this? The only way you can do that is by actively asking people to produce a report when they said they'd do so

Re: To all candidates: distribution of your actions over the term

2007-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:59:23AM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: Hi, We all know from experience (and this is not specific to Debian) that the persons that get elected do not distribute their actions over the term of office regularly. They are usually active just after they get elected,

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: casting the lead to fathom our course

2007-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 07:23:06PM +1030, Ron wrote: [...background snipped...] So... with some background now in place, and given that some of the candidates have proposed in their platforms that we further accelerate the processing of NM applications to include people in the keyring, and

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 12:13:35PM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote: There is by the way a reason behind the requirement that votes should be as easy as possible to understand. I'm not saying that hex is too hard to understand (at least not for me) Let's put it this way: if there is anyone under

Re: Getting patches applied. emulated buildd's are good (was: kFreeBSD is fantastic)

2007-03-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 08:41:43PM -0600, Drew Scott Daniels wrote: 68k seems to have elected to skip official etch, but also seems to have met the requirements. Some of the non-dd porters still want an official etch release. (They met the requirements after the architecture freeze,

Re: questions to candidates about communication

2007-03-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 03:30:18AM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: Hi, How much time do you generally have to read Debian-related e-mail? Too much :) How much for the Debian mailing lists? One hour up to a few hours per day. How many lists do you follow, and which ones do you pay real

Re: Questions concerning the DPL board

2007-03-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:55:06AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi, after reading some of the rebuttals, I have some questions for all the candidates (some questions make more sense for the candidates who are also in the DPL board that I suggested, but others are free to respond as if they

Re: Questions concerning the DPL board

2007-03-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 04:16:13PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Wed, 07 Mar 2007, Wouter Verhelst wrote: 1/ Why do you think that alone you'll be able to take consensual decisions if you fear that you're not able to convince a small set of open-minded Debian developers? It's

Re: Question to all candidates: officiousness

2007-03-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:03:54AM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 01:58:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Try please, blow me away. In your opinion, is it ever appropriate for any of the following parties to insist on being blown away in exchange for removing an obstacle

Re: Question to all candidates: officiousness

2007-03-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 12:14:05PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 05:43:41PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by this question, or what the point is. I will clarify. AJ obviously feels that it is his prerogative (under which hat or set of hats, I

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:56:10AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[...] None; or, at least, not more than I currently do. Except, perhaps, on IRC, but then I don't expect the press to appear there. I warn you, there are reporters on IRC during meetings

Re: Question to candidates: position on non-free?

2007-03-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
---: Choice 2: Re-affirm support for non-free |/ Option 3--: Choice 3: Further Discussion ||/ [...] V: 312 wouter Wouter Verhelst Gustavo Franco wasn't a DD during this vote and Aigars Mahinov didn't vote. The rest of you: would you still vote like you did in 2004

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-03-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
[It's not entirely clear whether you want everyone to reply to this, or just Aigars. I'm answering anyway, just to be on the safe side :) ] On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:32:03PM +, MJ Ray wrote: QUESTION 1: Some DDs expressed those views and some candidates seem to be interpreting this as a

Re: Question to all candidates: Perceived hostility within the community

2007-03-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:41:09PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is nothing like a moral right to mock people, just like there is nothing like a moral right not to be mocked. Research[1] has shown that one of the primary factors deterring

Re: Question for all candidates: Importance of unofficial archives

2007-03-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:50:22PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Hi, this question is for all candidates: How important are unofficial archives[1] for you? They are important, as they allow people to do stuff with their Debian installation that isn't necessarily possible with Debian

Re: Question to all candiates: DebConf

2007-03-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 04:29:46PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, DebConf, the annual Debian Developers Conference, is currently not officially affiliated with Debian (or SPI) and its not listed on http://www.debian.org/intro/organization Do you think DebConf should have an official

Re: Question for the candidates

2007-03-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 03:04:47AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Which release-critical bug will each of you fix in order to convince me to vote for you? :) Heh. How about #376812? ;-) -- Lo-lan-do Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 -- To

Re: DPL candidates: what is effective?

2007-02-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:42:39AM +, MJ Ray wrote: I've read a few questions and answers which use the word effective. I suspect there are different interpretations of effective. In particular, whether a delegation is still effective - because on the face of it, that could be a no-op in

Re: A question of time

2007-02-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:43:05AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: Hi! Many of the candidates are busy in other parts of debian with doing some other more or less important work. Which parts of your current work will you spend less time on when being a DPL? Oh, I still have quite a bit of

Re: Question for candidates: the d-i conflict

2007-02-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:10:32PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Hi, I'd like to ask Anthony and Steve what they think of how they handled the conflict between Frans Pop and Sven Luther, and other candidates how they would have handled this conflict. To everyone: how would you avoid such

Re: Question for the candidates: ponies

2007-02-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:22:57PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Which of the candidates, if elected, would finally get me the ponies I've been craving for years? * Go to http://www.origamidatabase.com/ * Search for pony * Buy one of the books your search turns up * Fold * Enjoy your pony Glad

Re: Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports

2007-02-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:20:14PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 05:17:01PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: If an ftpmaster was to charge an amount of money to include the new architectures (as was the case for amd64), what would, according to you, be a reasonable amount

Re: Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports

2007-02-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:25:31PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giving a reasonable time estimate would require me to know a *slight* bit more about the FreeBSD ports than I do at this point in time; so I won't try it. Ah, I expected

Re: Question to the candidates: inclusion of the kFreeBSD-* ports

2007-02-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 06:51:24PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I expected the candidates to take the 5 minutes it takes to get up to speed wrt the kFreeBSD ports by reading the appropriate status pages. I can't be expected to know everything

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-02-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:13:12AM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: Why do you think you will be a good DPL? Two things: first, when discussing matters with other people, I generally try to see their point of view before coming up with a proposal that will work for the both of us, thereby trying to

Re: DPL candidate question

2007-02-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:52:20PM -0500, Curt Larson wrote: As kind of a follow-up to the basic 'what would you do as DPL that you could not do as DD?' I would like to know more about how you would handle marketing Debian. First of all, I would like to make clear that I do not view marketing

Re: One more question to the candidates

2007-02-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:31:29AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Forgot to ask this question: In your opinion, what is a good length of total term for a DPL? I have always thought that a one-year term might be too short, since it does not allow for too much action by the DPL. However, I never

Re: Questions to all candidates: Release importance, release blockers, release quality

2007-02-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 12:16:21PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: * How important are regular releases for the project? Very. Individual people may be happy with testing or unstable, but large corporate users need stable releases in order to be able to use Debian. * How important are

Re: One more question to the candidates

2007-02-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:18:05PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:31:29AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Forgot to ask this question: In your opinion, what is a good length of total term for a DPL? I have always thought

Re: Questions Regarding Delegates

2007-02-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:46:55PM -0600, John Lightsey wrote: The first power enumerated to the DPL in the Debian Constitution is the power to appoint and remove delegates. My questions are directed at determining how you as DPL will use this power to guide the Debian Project. Even if that

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-02-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi! On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:57:21AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Now that we are well into the campaigning period, I'd like to ask each candidate a couple of questions. Feel free to say that this is answered in my platform, if that is the case. What is the role of the DPL? Is he a strong

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-02-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 09:50:41AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: Hi, These questions may be skipped by AJ, because the answers are obvious. What do you think of the dunc-tank initiative ? I have always thought there is nothing inherently wrong with paying people to do Debian work. I applaud aj

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