Re: summary of software licenses in non-free

? - And for users who are not concerned with either having vrms or Synaptic bug them but have a bit of extra time, someone might just start wandering around /usr/share/doc, find and read this files. If they are not in doc, they would be much less prominent. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

Contract as it was until a couple of days ago, and make this SC valid only from Sarge+1 on. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5630-9700 ext. 1366 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

dumped Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5630-9700 ext. 1366 PGP key

Re: Proposal - Constitutional Amendment: Associate Foundation Documents to Releases

warrants a full evening of DDs screaming at each other. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5630-9700 ext. 1366 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

are changed. == I would appreciate it if the people who seconded the original proposal also second the modifications made in adding the sunset clause, and the typographical changes wrought. manoj -- Gunnar

Re: Question for the Debate/Candidates

Andreas Schuldei dijo [Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 09:41:59PM +0100]: What Muppet character do you see yourself as, and why? Swedish Chef, since i live in Sweden and love cooking! Careful - You are telling voters that if you get elected, Debian will be b0rken! Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL

Re: summary of software licenses in non-free

/why_is_nonfree, stating the reason (a couple of lines at least) so that our users have a better chance of seeing and understanding it. It has been suggested to put this in README.Debian - It would fit there, yes... But I'd rather see it more prominent. Greetigns, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: summary of software licenses in non-free

? - And for users who are not concerned with either having vrms or Synaptic bug them but have a bit of extra time, someone might just start wandering around /usr/share/doc, find and read this files. If they are not in doc, they would be much less prominent. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

Contract as it was until a couple of days ago, and make this SC valid only from Sarge+1 on. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5630-9700 ext. 1366 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

dumped Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5630-9700 ext. 1366 PGP key

Re: Proposal - Constitutional Amendment: Associate Foundation Documents to Releases

warrants a full evening of DDs screaming at each other. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5630-9700 ext. 1366 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF

Re: Amendment to the Constitution: Add a new foundation document

are changed. == I would appreciate it if the people who seconded the original proposal also second the modifications made in adding the sunset clause, and the typographical changes wrought. manoj -- Gunnar

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2008: Marc Brockschmidt

factors) the ranking of each of them says what do the developer body at large think. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Marc: So, is any of the other candidates above 'NOTA' for you?

as soon as you can comment on it). Thanks, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF pgpfGZF441if4.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Ballot for leader2008

understatement. Manoj, you have more data on this regard... But I really doubt many people have historically had important problems (read: were denied their right to vote). Do you really think we should change an old and overall good format? Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

-specific (as it is not a punishment against Mozilla itself, and there are _many_ trademarked projects shipping in Debian). I'm waiting a bit on reading other voices... -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

offense. We are also very good on erupting flamewars when they are not needed! :) Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

://osdir.com/ml/linux.arch.tur.user/2007-04/msg00155.html https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ion3/+bug/115142 -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF

Re: Bug reports of DFSG violations are tagged ???lenny-ignore????

won't stop shipping photo manipulation programs. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: DFSG violations in Lenny: new proposal

| with the DFSG. ` Seconded. -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF pgpbVInJs4WAx.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Let's restart from scratch the gr_lenny vote (in a better form this time)?

focusing on the *real* lenny release? All other options must go into other ballot, or more than one, let's talk about that. Rank Further discussion first. That's our best way to say I think this vote is wrong. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

are solved. And if then we vote Yes for A, they will know the firmware issue is off-limits (via a GR, of course) - They will have the power to mark lenny-ignore a FTBFS if you may, but not a non-free firmware inclusion. Which is still an outcome. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154

Re: Status of Lenny Release GR

at 23:59:59 on Saturday, December 28th, 2008. On a lighter note, it is funny to see possibly the most controversial vote in Debian's history finishing in what in the Spanish-speaking countries is equivalent to the Anglo-saxon April 1st (the Day of the Innocent Saints). Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - gw

Re: RFC: General resolution: Clarify the status of the social contract

they pleased the electorate, but because... They are more active, more committed or more capable DDs to begin with. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: gr_lenny vs gr_socialcontract

you and the people who disagree with you can live with (usually both consider it a bad, but not quite bad enough, compromise). Making people who disagree with you look stupid and immoral is not politics, it's propaganda. That's a very Finnish approach to politics. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw

Re: New section for firmware.

currently have as non-free), we can always point the users to the proper distribution site or whatever. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

of options to get a fair spread of options to be voted on. Supporting/endorsing/seconding an option should not IMHO mean I want this option to be ranked high, but I believe this option should appear in the ballot - Even if you don't personally agree with it. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

probably thick enough by now, as is most of Debian's. Still, that's not a good reason to do ad-hominem attacks. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF pgp1YfDtmcNXL.pgp

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

: Several months ago, when this thread was last mentioned, I expressed my opinion on that _seconding_ a ballot should not be taken as _supporting_ the ballot - It might just be recognized as an important viewpoint to take into consideration, even for a particular DD who is against it. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

if they make sense before formally proposing them. Besides, quite often my English is quite below par to what I read on lists such as this one - I am not saying that those are Lucas' motivations, but they are nevertheless real :) -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

about the way 2008_002 and specially 2008_003 were handled. -- Gunnar Wolf - gw...@gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

I was requested to forward the following mail by Sven Luther: - Forwarded message from Sven Luther s...@powerlinux.fr - From: Sven Luther s...@powerlinux.fr To: Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org, listmas...@debian.org Cc: Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org, debian-de...@lists.debian.org

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

Ubuntu is, when DebConf is and all that... Is just too reiterative, if you allow me to reiterate ;-) Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 pgpYj35sX49JZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

, better than any random date that might be pushed forward -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 pgpIG089m9FIc.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: DPL Elections 2010: Last call for nominations

it is _me_ who has the passphrase for your GPG key... Yes, but it is me who has the GPG key for your passphrase! Hmm... This might explain why some things just refuse to work the way they should in Debian, the Disociated Identity^W^WUniversal OS... -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

were made (a topic that has already been analized here). So, going back to the questioning of the candidates: Do you agree with this very simplistic analysis? If so, how would you push to get the drive and the confidence back? -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244

Question for DD candidates: The race against NOTA

are allowed, then mine is too ;-) ) -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100317043222.gc13

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

eventually become DDs). -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100317045658.gd13...@gwolf.org

Re: Question for DD candidates: The race against NOTA

. ;} Of course - But we do have a press team. If we were to lack a Leader, the press team would just become the contact point for the press, right? (note that I am not against the DPL position, I am just entertaining the idea) -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244

Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members

Stefano Zacchiroli dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900]: --- The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system. To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions, including but not

Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members

MJ Ray dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:26:01AM +0100]: Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org So you are already free to do it by delegating. A GR would be used to overrule your decision, but, as you already noted, there is already a general consensus on the issue. Equally, the DPL is

Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members

Christoph Berg dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:30:57PM +0200]: As we still remember the big on terminology thread[0] and we don't want here to create more confusion nor to start the big renaming race, I think it will be better to leave terminology out of this GR, as this will introduce even

Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members

Lars Wirzenius dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:41:24PM +0100]: We are calling everyone Debian Developer (cf. the constitution). DCs are a subset of DDs. We realize that we probably need a handy expression for DD with upload rights [1], but we don't have one yet. (Ideas?) Could we please

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2011: Call for nominations

Stefano Zacchiroli dijo [Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 04:29:41PM +0100]: Prospective leaders should be familiar with the constitution, but just to review: there's a one week period when interested developers can nominate themselves and announce their platform, followed by a three week period

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2011 Results

Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx dijo [Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 05:31:39PM +0200]: Hi, The winner of the election is Stefano Zacchiroli. (...) Stats for the DPL votes: |--+--++---++-++---| | | Num || Valid | Unique |

Re: Comments on the constitution?

Stefano Zacchiroli dijo [Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:17:22AM +0200]: (…) The main question is: how would people feel about a DPL standing for election for a 2 year period, provided that there is an easy way to call for a mid-term election after 1 year? Easy should be defined in a way that it is

Re: Comments on the constitution?

Steve McIntyre dijo [Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:16:19PM +0100]: Humm… An idea could be: ‣ The term is defined to be for one year, with the possibility of one automatic renewal ‣ If by (election date + 10 months) the DPL sends a (signed, validated, blah) message, a simple referendum is

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

Arno Töll dijo [Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 09:55:25PM +0100]: as somebody who pushed $work to donate money to Debian (i.e. via FFIS), I always wondered about the financial merits of these donations. As much as I am involved to work within Debian, I have no clue what you used our money for. I am

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

I'm redirecting this thread to d-project... You and I tend to think about money very much DebConf-wise (specially in the March-July period ;-) ), but I think this is going away from the current d-vote topic. Please reply to this message to d-project only. Holger Levsen dijo [Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at

Re: [Draft] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

Francesca Ciceri dijo [Thu, May 03, 2012 at 12:32:03AM +0200]: Dear Debian Developers, A recent discussion [1] on Debian Women mailing list made me realize that the Debian Project, the community behind the *Universal* Operating System, doesn't have a diversity statement. The *technical*

Re: [Draft] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

Kurt Roeckx dijo [Thu, May 03, 2012 at 11:54:32PM +0200]: On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 12:32:03AM +0200, Francesca Ciceri wrote: Q: What will be the procedure for maintaining/updating the statement, once voted? A: The gist of the statement will be fixed by the GR. But in order to avoid

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Kurt Roeckx dijo [Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:28:32AM +0200]: A corresponding ballot might look like the following: --- [ ] Choice 1: Welcome everyone [ ] Choice 2: Further discussion

Re: to DPL candidates: getting new people to Debian

Timo Juhani Lindfors dijo [Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 05:34:58PM +0200]: Hi, I'd like to have each DPL candidate briefly discuss the challenges of getting new people to Debian. Hi, Riding on Timo Juhani's question (and not yet having read the two answers that it has already): There was an

[all candidates] DPL term duration

I'm writing this prompted by some of the lines written by Gergely and Moray in the about a DPL board thread. One of the difficulties I perceive we have seen over the years is the time it takes to transfer the know-how and work rhythm from an outgoing DPL to an incoming one. Several of our DPLs

Re: Usage of Debian's Money

Raphael Hertzog dijo [Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:57:50AM +0100]: Since both of you want examples of possible uses of money, here you have some that I quickly came up with: (...) I won't comment on them, as you are addressing our candidates, not just anybody ;-) And I don't have anything too

Re: to DPL candidates: getting new people to Debian

Gergely Nagy dijo [Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 01:32:32PM +0100]: I see people around me teach their children to use and control computers, to build things with them, even before they learn to write. They have their toys, they build stuff, sometimes they unknowingly write programs - before the age of

Re: [all candidates] lack of women in Debian

Lucas Nussbaum dijo [Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 07:44:32AM +0100]: I would like to know your opinion about this graph (thanks Francesca!): http://blog.zouish.org/posts/dw/ (...) This graph is a very interesting one. As some of my past actions in Debian have shown, I like data and statistics,

Re: [all candidates] delegation

Charles Plessy dijo [Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:54:24PM +0900]: Hi Moray, what you wrote here presents the end of a delegation as a final point. However, I was very interested by your use of rotation, which I was understanding as a faster turnover where the responsibility of the delegation is

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

Joerg Jaspert dijo [Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:36:25AM +0100]: Where do they decide the global direction for the project? They have a technical decision to do. Sure it has a wide impact, but global direction is something different than just an init thingie. Also, seeing how much involvement

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

Ana Guerrero Lopez dijo [Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:21:20AM +0100]: * Fundraising DebConf is one of the biggest expenses of Debian, every year we look for sponsorship and we had (and have) sponsors who were sponsoring DebConf as a way of giving their annual donation to Debian and not

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

[ adding a Cc: to debconf-team ] Lucas Nussbaum dijo [Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 04:15:02PM +0100]: I think I already answered this at least partially in https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/03/msg00192.html, so I will give some more details, specifically for the DebConf case. Ideally, I

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

Neil McGovern dijo [Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 03:42:14PM +]: On the specific case, I remember when I wound up the accounts for DebConf 7 that the surplus was earmarked as a donation to DebConf 8. More specifically, there was a Debian seed fund of 10k USD to help with the cash flow and then 8k

Re: Team health and actions

Neil McGovern dijo [Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 08:03:10PM +0100]: 2. a team that works well but not in a sustainable way, and how a DPL can help bringing sustainability; A little bit of a stab in the dark here, but I'm going to *guess* the DebConf team, simply because the huge amount of

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2015 Results

Kurt Roeckx dijo [Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:45:37AM +0200]: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:41:52PM +0100, Jonathan McDowell wrote: Sadly this list is trivially proved inaccurate So I have no source at all that is can tell me the number of DDs? You can fetch the number of active DD keys [1,2],

Re: General Resolution: Fix Minor Bugs in Constitution

> Hi. > I'd like to call for seconds on the following resolution. > Since the previous resolution appears dead I'd like to call for seconds > on the amendment I made to that resolution as its own resolution. > Obviously I'm proposing the option I most favor. > If others want to propose the

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Nikolaus Rath dijo [Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 04:41:15PM -0700]: > On Jul 22 2016, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach Lionel Elie Mamane [2016-07-22 12:14 +0200]: > >> Since Debian is an international project, with many (I expect a > >> majority but am too

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Wouter Verhelst dijo [Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:15:57AM +0200]: > Hi Marga, > > I second this amendment, although it introduces a minor awkwardness: > > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > - The Technical Committee and/or its Chairman; > > + The Technical

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Ansgar Burchardt dijo [Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 02:40:44PM +0200]: > >> Luckily there's an awesome non-gendered and non-furnitured alternative: > >> > >> President > > > > Point is, the TC is constitutionally only about half-surrogating > > MIA DPLs and breaking ties. The non-constitutional part of

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Lionel Elie Mamane dijo [Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:16:22PM +0200]: > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:14:14PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > > > I'd rather you asked me for a signed agreement in triplicate before > > taking it out of the debian-private debian-developer-only archives to > > quote/post

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Nicolas Dandrimont dijo [Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200]: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Margarita Manterola dijo [Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200]: > I'm therefore proposing the following General Resolution: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

martin f krafft dijo [Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:58:34PM +0200]: > I would like to propose the following amendment to Marga's GR: > > In addition to the proposed change, the project shall vote to > empower the DPL together with the Project Secretary to make minor > editorial changes in our

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Don Armstrong dijo [Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 12:31:40PM -0500]: > > I would prefer removing the possibility of ever implementing it > > without another vote. We can always vote again if someone comes up > > with a workable scheme. > > That puts a whole lot of stop energy in front of anyone who

Re: Proposed GR: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification of the debian-private mailing list

Lars Wirzenius dijo [Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 11:27:31AM +0300]: > On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 11:15:05PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private > >list archives" is repealed. > > If we're going to have an

Re: more GRs to come (Re: Current GRs clarification)

Didier 'OdyX' Raboud dijo [Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 11:40:06AM +0200]: > Hi Holger, > > Le lundi, 8 août 2016, 13.34:07 h CEST Holger Levsen a écrit : > > So, I hereby announce that I'll propose another GR to "depeal the GR > > of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying

Proposed GR: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification of the debian-private mailing list

. 2. In keeping with paragraph 3 of the Debian Social Contract, Debian Developers are strongly encouraged to use the debian-private mailing list only for discussions that should not be disclosed. === END GR TEXT === Thanks for your consideration, -- Gunnar Wolf (with thanks to Nicolas for

Re: Proposed GR: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification of the debian-private mailing list

Ian Jackson dijo [Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 05:07:47PM +0100]: > (...) > So, how about something like this: > > Title: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private > > 1. The Debian Project regrets the non-implementation of the 2005 > General Resolution titled "Declassification of

Re: Proposed GR: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification of the debian-private mailing list

David Kalnischkies dijo [Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 03:40:41PM +0200]: > Just to ensure we talk about the same: I was referring to: > https://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-private.png vs e.g. > https://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-vote.png . > > I would be very interested in an explanation [off-list &

Re: Proposed GR: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification of the debian-private mailing list

Micha Lenk dijo [Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 04:53:52AM +0200]: > TL,DR: Nice proposal, seconded. Please note that Ian answered to a post, did not yet make a GR proposal. What IMHO should happen is that we have more than a binary GR. That is, I believe that, if there is a GR with the text I copied from

Re: Proposed GR: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification of the debian-private mailing list

Ian Jackson dijo [Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 03:08:27PM +0100]: > For me the ethical basis for this is that people who have posted > messages to -private did so (and continue to do so) on the basis of > the policy in force at the time when they decided to send their > message. It is the policy in force

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

I second Ian's proposal, *without* withdrawing my own. Ian Jackson dijo [Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 05:27:42PM +0100]: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > I have changed my about waiting before making a formal proposal. > > I hereby propose the following General Resolution. > >

Re: Proposed GR: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification of the debian-private mailing list

Ian Jackson dijo [Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 05:44:07PM +0100]: > Gunnar Wolf writes ("Proposed GR: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification > of the debian-private mailing list"): > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private li

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

While checking all requisites are met, I found I mis-counted for my CfV, mixing together Iain's original and reformed proposal. It currently has four seconders only, so in order to have the three presented options in the ballot: >

Call for votes: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification of the debian-private mailing list

Debian Project Secretary, It has been two weeks since I posted my GR proposal [1] to the debian-vote mailing list, containing the text that follows: [1] Message-ID: <20160902041505.gd3...@gwolf.org> === BEGIN GR TEXT === Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. 1.

Call for votes: Repeal the 2005 vote for declassification of the debian-private mailing list

[ Amazing as it might seem for this issue, I forgot to sign my mail. Here it is again. Apologies for the duplication ] Debian Project Secretary, It has been two weeks since I posted my GR proposal [1] to the debian-vote mailing list, containing the text that follows: [1] Message-ID:

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

Kurt Roeckx dijo [Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 10:09:37PM +0200]: > Can I say that this is rather annoying from a procedural stand > point? You already called for a vote. I'm sorry, I did this precisely to avoid an annoying procedural standstill. And (as I told you privately) later found out the

Re: GR proposal: give up on declassifying debian-private (Re: General Resolution: Declassifying debian-private results)

Ian Jackson dijo [Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 05:21:14PM +0100]: > I'm afraid I don't agree. As I have said, I am unhappy with any > option which does not clearly state what if any authority there is for > (or prohibition there is of) declassification of -private. I have > come to this view because it

Re: GR proposal: give up on declassifying debian-private (Re: General Resolution: Declassifying debian-private results)

Ian Jackson dijo [Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 06:03:17PM +0100]: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: GR proposal: give up on declassifying debian-private > (Re: General Resolution: Declassifying debian-private results)"): > > I assumed it was, was planning on asking, and with this message > > I'm happy to treat

Re: GR proposal: give up on declassifying debian-private (Re: General Resolution: Declassifying debian-private results)

Ian Jackson dijo [Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:43:43PM +0100]: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: GR proposal: give up on declassifying debian-private > (Re: General Resolution: Declassifying debian-private results)"): > > So that proposal has 5 seconds now, and so is accepted. > > Do I need to re-make my

Re: GR proposal: give up on declassifying debian-private (Re: General Resolution: Declassifying debian-private results)

Ian Jackson dijo [Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 04:23:31PM +0100]: > > > Do I need to re-make my proposal as an amendment to Gunnar's or are > > > you happy to treat it as such ? > > > > FWIW I think we will be better off if we have it as a distinct option > > (as it is semantically quite different). > >

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Ian Jackson dijo [Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 04:45:40PM +0100]: > > > > ProponentIs declassification of How might the rules > > > > old posts permissible, for -private be changed > > > > and if so how ? in the future ? > > > > > > > >

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Ian Jackson dijo [Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 03:25:49PM +0100]: > Oh, I forgot one: > > > ProponentIs declassification of How might the rules > > old posts permissible, for -private be changed > > and if so how ? in the future ? > > > >

Re: GR proposal: give up on declassifying debian-private (Re: General Resolution: Declassifying debian-private results)

Kurt Roeckx dijo [Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 07:50:51PM +0200]: > > Anyway, I do clearly see value in having your proposal as part of the > > ballot (as well as Iain's, if he pushes it on and makes it a formal > > proposal. I will call for a vote... Say, by Friday. Meanwhile, we have > > some time to

Re: GR proposal: give up on declassifying debian-private (Re: General Resolution: Declassifying debian-private results)

Bas Wijnen dijo [Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 06:47:36PM +]: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 06:06:09PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > +1 to what Holder said. I believe it would be better to have this GR as > > simple as possible. And get into multiple options later if FD wins even > > this. > > That is not

Re: Proposed GR: State exception for security bugs in Social Contract clause 3

Sean Whitton dijo [Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 07:08:19PM -0700]: > Title: State exception for security bugs in Social Contract clause 3 > (...) I have been following this thread, and although four days might not seem like a long time, I feel that me comenting here is due. In this thread, Martin Bagge

Re: Question for DPL candidates: Teetotaler outreach

Adrian Bunk dijo [Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 06:10:41PM +0300]: > When something is advertised as "beersigning" on a Debian mailing list, > what non-alcoholic beverages can one expect to be available at the venue? Hi Adrian, I understand you want to raise awareness about this issue, as consciousness

Re: having public irc logs?

Mehdi Dogguy dijo [Sat, Apr 08, 2017 at 09:47:38AM +0200]: > To be honest, I also wondered why IRC channels were not logged when I > started contributing to Debian. Later, I understood that people used > IRC to communicate like they would do in real life. As such, we will > not try to record every

Re: Failing GPG key (was: Re: Debian Project Leader election 2019: First call for votes)

Hi, FWIW, I already sent Mathias a private mail about this, as he also asked this privately :) But this seems to be of general interest, so... > (...) > > *Usually* they do not do that during running elections, just short before > > they start, > > so you may be out of luck. > > If so then I

Re: Proposal to overturn init systems premature GR

[ Removing tons and tons of personal Cc:s, I guess they all follow d-vote ] Ian Jackson dijo [Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 04:15:02PM +]: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > I have been proposing that there should be an alternative to Guillem's > proposal. I need a few more days

Re: Proposal to overturn init systems premature GR

Gunnar Wolf dijo [Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 11:40:15AM -0600]: > Ian, please don't. Just to get this off my head - I am sorry for the tone used in my own mail I'm replying to. While I do stand by not wanting this proposal by Ian to proceed, the "reasoning" paragraph that followed is not r

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