RE: [Declude.JunkMail] headers indicate both failed and not failed????

2003-05-31 Thread Harry Vanderzand
Can anyone tell me what is happening with the following headers?  It
indicates that tests failed yet at the end it says that test failed is NOINE

thanks

Received: from SMTP32-FWD by intown.net
  (SMTP32) id A062012F3; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:12:59 -0400
Received: from mail.escapees.com [207.70.132.66] by intown.net with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.00) id A46EE000D0; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:12:46 -0400
Received: from SMTP32-FWD by mail.escapees.com
  (SMTP32) id A03D42CC5; Fri, 30 May 2003 02:06:10 -0500
Received: from compuserve.com [68.58.200.135] by mail.escapees.com
  (SMTPD32-8.00) id A2DF4E30272; Fri, 30 May 2003 02:06:07 -0500
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 06:17:29 +
From: Hailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SPAM WARNING]Lrosenberg, This XXX area is like no other, real
explicit sex as NEVER been seen like this before!!!
To: Lrosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary==_NextPart_L4GFK710_L0GFLCB7_6AD17CB
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCOP: Blocked - see
http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?68.58.200.135
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 13 reaches or exceeds the limit of 10.
X-RBL-Warning: DSBL: http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=68.58.200.135
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [68.58.200.135]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMCOP, WEIGHT10, WEIGHTWARN, DSBL
X-Note: This E-mail was sent from pcp02799235pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net
([68.58.200.135]).
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [207.70.132.66]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D046e00e000d0aec7.SMD
X-Note: Tests Failed: None 
Status: U
X-UIDL: 354131753


Harry Vanderzand 
inTown Internet  Computer Services 
11 Belmont Ave. W.
Kitchener, ON
N2M 1L2


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] headers indicate both failed and notfailed????

2003-05-31 Thread R. Scott Perry

Can anyone tell me what is happening with the following headers?  It
indicates that tests failed yet at the end it says that test failed is NOINE
Received: from mail.escapees.com [207.70.132.66] by intown.net with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.00) id A46EE000D0; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:12:46 -0400
Received: from compuserve.com [68.58.200.135] by mail.escapees.com
  (SMTPD32-8.00) id A2DF4E30272; Fri, 30 May 2003 02:06:07 -0500
It looks like the E-mail passed through 2 IMail servers, yours and 
mail.escapees.com.

X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCOP: Blocked - see 
http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?68.58.200.135
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 13 reaches or exceeds the limit of 10.
X-RBL-Warning: DSBL: http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=68.58.200.135
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [68.58.200.135]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMCOP, WEIGHT10, WEIGHTWARN, DSBL
These are the headers that their Declude JunkMail added, and:

X-Note: This E-mail was sent from pcp02799235pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net 
([68.58.200.135]).
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [207.70.132.66]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D046e00e000d0aec7.SMD
X-Note: Tests Failed: None
These are the ones that your Declude JunkMail added.  Since the server that 
sent you the E-mail (207.70.132.66) is not listed in any spam databases, it 
didn't fail any tests on your server.  This is a problem inherent in E-mail 
forwarded from one server to another.

One option in this case would be to add a line IPBYPASS 207.70.132.66 to 
your \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file, which will let Declude JunkMail see 
the IP address that actually sent the E-mail (so it will fail the SPAMCOP 
and DSBL tests on your server).

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist

2003-05-31 Thread Frederick Samarelli
I want to whitelist from a file in both the config.cfg and
$default$.junkmail

I know this is the command for  $default$.junkmail
WHITELISTFILE  C:\IMail\Declude\WhiteList.txt

What is the command for the config.cfg.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] headers indicate both failed and not failed????

2003-05-31 Thread Harry Vanderzand
That makes sense

thanks

Harry Vanderzand 
inTown Internet  Computer Services 
11 Belmont Ave. W.
Kitchener, ON
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 Scott Perry
 Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:10 AM
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 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] headers indicate both failed 
 and not failed
 
 
 
 Can anyone tell me what is happening with the following headers?  It 
 indicates that tests failed yet at the end it says that test 
 failed is 
 NOINE
 
 Received: from mail.escapees.com [207.70.132.66] by 
 intown.net with ESMTP
(SMTPD32-8.00) id A46EE000D0; Fri, 30 May 2003 03:12:46 -0400
 Received: from compuserve.com [68.58.200.135] by mail.escapees.com
(SMTPD32-8.00) id A2DF4E30272; Fri, 30 May 2003 02:06:07 -0500
 
 It looks like the E-mail passed through 2 IMail servers, yours and 
 mail.escapees.com.
 
 X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCOP: Blocked - see
 http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?68.58.200.135
 X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 13 reaches or exceeds the 
 limit of 10.
 X-RBL-Warning: DSBL: http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=68.58.200.135
 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [68.58.200.135]
 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude.
 X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SPAMCOP, WEIGHT10, WEIGHTWARN, DSBL
 
 These are the headers that their Declude JunkMail added, and:
 
 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from 
 pcp02799235pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net
 ([68.58.200.135]).
 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [207.70.132.66]
 X-Declude-Spoolname: D046e00e000d0aec7.SMD
 X-Note: Tests Failed: None
 
 These are the ones that your Declude JunkMail added.  Since 
 the server that 
 sent you the E-mail (207.70.132.66) is not listed in any spam 
 databases, it 
 didn't fail any tests on your server.  This is a problem 
 inherent in E-mail 
 forwarded from one server to another.
 
 One option in this case would be to add a line IPBYPASS 
 207.70.132.66 to 
 your \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file, which will let Declude 
 JunkMail see 
 the IP address that actually sent the E-mail (so it will fail 
 the SPAMCOP 
 and DSBL tests on your server).
 
 
 -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: imail (NOT) spam....

2003-05-31 Thread Jools Chesters
This is waht Spamcop have to say about how their system works:

http://mailsc.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/297.html

look at number 7 especially:

7. If a host has only 1 SUBE report against it, it will not be listed.
(SUBE is Supposed Unsolicited Bulk Mail)

We are quite aggressive in blocking spam and use ROUTETO a specific
account for Spamcop blocked email, I find that 99% of the time it is
accurate with very few false positives.

Jools

On Fri, 30 May 2003 05:53:10 -0500, you wrote:

Jools,

Friday, May 30, 2003 you wrote:
JC But, to block a server at Spamcop it must be reported several times,
JC this is obviously to stop people from being nasty and getting servers
JC blocked that they don't like.

That's not true.
Spamcop blocks on ONE incident.
Sometimes it is only for an hour or two but it is very disruptive.


Terry Fritts

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[Declude.JunkMail] base64 false-positive

2003-05-31 Thread Bill B.
Scott,

Emails with a message body that just contains blank lines and that contains an 
attachment, are still failing the BASE64 test.

Attached is a sample.

Bill





base64fail.zip
Description: Zip archive


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist

2003-05-31 Thread R. Scott Perry

I want to whitelist from a file in both the config.cfg and
$default$.junkmail
I know this is the command for  $default$.junkmail
WHITELISTFILE  C:\IMail\Declude\WhiteList.txt
What is the command for the config.cfg.
The WHITELISTFILE command does not work in the global.cfg file.  It only 
applies to incoming E-mail.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: imail (NOT) spam....

2003-05-31 Thread Smart Business Lists
Jools,

Friday, May 30, 2003 you wrote:
JC This is waht Spamcop have to say about how their system works:
JC http://mailsc.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/297.html
JC look at number 7 especially:
JC 7. If a host has only 1 SUBE report against it, it will not be listed.
JC (SUBE is Supposed Unsolicited Bulk Mail)
JC We are quite aggressive in blocking spam and use ROUTETO a specific
JC account for Spamcop blocked email, I find that 99% of the time it is
JC accurate with very few false positives.

What they say and what they do are two different things.
We have been listed only once by SpamCop but have had to
investigate numerous SpamCop incidents.

In these incidents there has never been more than one report -
always one single message filed by a complaining recipient. In
none of these cases was the message sent from our server but the
message contained a URL pointing to a web site on our servers. At
least in one case I am pretty certain the complaint was filed as a
harassment technique.

The one time we were listed resulted from a single incident also.
It was the result of a complaint filed by one of our own clients
who submitted one of HIS OWN messages to SpamCop.  It was a
mistake on his part obviously but we were listed for about 2 or 3
hours and mail was disrupted during that time.

Obviously you can do what you want regarding SapmCop but I and
many others can attest that they do make mistakes and they do list
innocent bystanders.

Now in their defense I will say they are pretty good about
responding to my messages and they have always done the right
thing. But it is still time consuming and disruptive to have to
investigate each incident. Their system is much too easily used
for malicious purposes.

Terry Fritts


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: imail (NOT) spam....

2003-05-31 Thread R. Scott Perry

Now in their defense I will say they are pretty good about
responding to my messages and they have always done the right
thing. But it is still time consuming and disruptive to have to
investigate each incident. Their system is much too easily used
for malicious purposes.
What Spamcop really needs to do is have the TXT record include the % of 
spam-to-legit E-mail, and their modified % (based on how recent the spam 
was, etc.).  From that, programs like Declude JunkMail could let you choose 
exactly when to block the E-mail.  I'm guessing that with better settings, 
you might reduce the amount of spam that is caught by a couple percent, but 
would virtually eliminate the false positives.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] base64 false-positive

2003-05-31 Thread R. Scott Perry

Emails with a message body that just contains blank lines and that 
contains an attachment, are still failing the BASE64 test.
This is something that we are working on.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist

2003-05-31 Thread Frederick Samarelli
What command can I  use to White list from a file in the config.cfg


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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist



 I want to whitelist from a file in both the config.cfg and
 $default$.junkmail
 
 I know this is the command for  $default$.junkmail
 WHITELISTFILE  C:\IMail\Declude\WhiteList.txt
 
 What is the command for the config.cfg.

 The WHITELISTFILE command does not work in the global.cfg file.  It only
 applies to incoming E-mail.

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[Declude.JunkMail] iMail 8.0

2003-05-31 Thread Mark Smith
Are there any issues with Junkmail/Virus and iMail version 8.0?

We're planning on the upgrade next week and didn't want to break
anything. :)

Thanks!

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Roger Heath
Reply to: Bill B.
  Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list on Friday 9:20:04 AM

Wait a second? When I requested this, was this format put in Declude?

earthlink.com   earthlink.net
earthlink.net   earthlink.com
email.itwebmessenger.it
excite.com  excitenetwork.com

If so, I did not see this indicated in any messages I have read.

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B Attached is a list of spamdomains and their coresponding aliases that I've compiled 
thus far.  Anybody want to comment or expand upon this?

B Bill

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[Declude.JunkMail] Enhancement Request: XUNIQUEINHEADER

2003-05-31 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi,

Would be nice if Declude could be told not insert a header if one already
exists, e.g.:

XUNIQUEINHEADER Return-Path: %MAILFROM%

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: imail (NOT) spam....

2003-05-31 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
 It's a wonder that more people don't submit mail maliciously if the
 system works as it appears.

Some do.

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
Engineer/Consultant
eServices For You
www.eservicesforyou.com


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Joseph Acac
email provided by netscape.net is at least partly based from AOL instant 
messenger accounts, which partly correspond to some peoples' real aol.com 
email addresses.  when you do a full install of Netscape 6 and above, it 
links w/ your AIM account for messaging, and provides you a *free*, 
spammed, email account in the netscape.net domain, under your username as 
defined in AIM.  That may be the connection.

At 08:02 05.30.2003, you wrote:
 Attached is a list of spamdomains and their coresponding aliases that I've
compiled thus far.  Anybody want to comment or expand upon this?
Please forgive my ignorance here, I have nearly every message from this list
for the past 6 months on my machine, so I have looked, but missed it I
guess. Anyway, what's the deal with this in the spamdomains list??
earthlink.com earthlink.net
earthlink.net earthlink.com
Does this mean if the address comes in as [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it's rev DNS
can be either earthlink.net or earthlink.com ??? and the other way around if
it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ?
What confuses me are these:

aol.com  netscape.net
netscape.net aol.com
My feeling here is why would a netscape user be sending with an AOL address
and vice-versa. So am I off here?
Thanks for any help

Paul

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread R. Scott Perry

Wait a second? When I requested this, was this format put in Declude?

earthlink.com   earthlink.net
earthlink.net   earthlink.com
email.itwebmessenger.it
excite.com  excitenetwork.com
If so, I did not see this indicated in any messages I have read.
This was added to v1.70 -- you can either have one entry on a line (where 
the reverse DNS must contain that entry, if the return address contains 
it), or you can have two (in which case the reverse DNS entry must contain 
*either* of the two entries, if the *first* entry appears in the return 
address).

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Bill Landry
One comment.  Instead of having:

yahoo.com
yahoo.ca yahoo.com
yahoo.de yahoo.com
yahoo.dk yahoo.com
yahoo.es yahoo.com
yahoo.fr yahoo.com
yahoo.it yahoo.com
yahoo.no yahoo.com
yahoo.se yahoo.com
yahoo.co.jp yahoo.com
yahoo.co.uk yahoo.com
yahoo.com.ar yahoo.com
yahoo.com.au yahoo.com
yahoo.com.br yahoo.com
yahoo.com.cn yahoo.com
yahoo.com.hk yahoo.com
yahoo.co.kr yahoo.com
yahoo.com.mx yahoo.com
yahoo.com.tw yahoo.com

Why not just consolidate this down to:

yahoo.yahoo.com

Bill
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list


 Attached is a list of spamdomains and their coresponding aliases that I've
compiled thus far.  Anybody want to comment or expand upon this?

 Bill





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[Declude.JunkMail] New Variable Question ?

2003-05-31 Thread smb
Scott,

Would it be possible to have a variable like the %weight% variable say
%weight*% that would convert the weight into a series of stars based on a
set division number with the division number possibly held in the global.cfg
file.

This way only one x-header can be used rather than a series of x-headers
showing up if with different x-headers for each weight level. 

Using the weight alone is difficult because of all the combinations that can
develop (3 30 33) all look the same it trying to filter on  x-header
contains  xx 3. Using a division number of say 5 this could be represented
as  xxand xx ** or xx *** (depending on rounding factor)
and be represented with 1 x-header instead of several depending on the
weight levels defined.

Stu
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: imail (NOT) spam....

2003-05-31 Thread Jools Chesters
The difference with us is that we are mainly handling our own companys
mail with a few small clients, our traffic is quite low so we can
afford to look at our routeto mailbox fairly often.

False positives (if there are any) are forwarded to the original
recipient, otherwise they are binned.

We also routeto anything between 15-30 weights and bounce anything
over 30. It works for us.

At some point I intend to write a pop mailbox viewer that I can press
a button to forward to original recipient (with addition of a
whitelisted header), reply, delete, bounce or report to spamcop.

Jools

On Fri, 30 May 2003 08:16:22 -0700, you wrote:

 We are quite aggressive in blocking spam and use ROUTETO a specific
 account for SpamCop blocked email, I find that 99% of the time it is
 accurate with very few false positives.

If you would kindly search the archives (when they are back up) you will
find past discussions that have proven differently at times.

Like Terry said, others have already been down that road.

Try looking up Dunn  Bradstreet. Last year, they were listed about 8 times.
One of those was for only 20 minutes. Yes, 20 minutes. Just because some Yo
Yo did not like receiving the notices that they sent to him, (as in
collection notices,) he reported them.

SpamCop seems to go in cycles. They will be great for a while then all of a
sudden start listing anything with one report.

So, the next time SpamCop lists Dunn  Bradstreet and you Route the bosses
latest Credit report on the companies new big client, and the boss doesn't
get it, how are you going to explain that to him? (I speak from experience
here, when a client of mine called and said he was not getting his reports.)

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelist and mult rcpt

2003-05-31 Thread Andy Schmidt
Darrell / Scott:

 We do not whitelist the postmaster account, instead you setup a filter
test that contains an allrecips for the postmasters email address and
assign this test a really high negative value to prevent the message from
being bounced.  Then you set the action up for the test as a routeto back
to the postmasters account. 

Hm - I assume your method only works, if I don't use a DELETE and/or BOUNCE
action directly on individual tests - or will routeto supercede delete
and/or bounce?  

Let's assume...

Bounce on:
Any OSDUL/OSSOFT
Weight = 10

Hold on:
Any MailFrom/Percent

I delete on: 
Weight = 20


If someone needs assistance who gets caught by the MailFrom/Percent or
OSDUL/OSSOFT and all your test does is reduce weights - I assume the
people's emails would still not get through?  So I do need to whitelist the
PostMaster?

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelist and mult rcpt

2003-05-31 Thread R. Scott Perry

 We do not whitelist the postmaster account, instead you setup a filter
test that contains an allrecips for the postmasters email address and
assign this test a really high negative value to prevent the message from
being bounced.  Then you set the action up for the test as a routeto back
to the postmasters account. 
Hm - I assume your method only works, if I don't use a DELETE and/or BOUNCE
action directly on individual tests - or will routeto supercede delete
and/or bounce?
DELETE takes priority over all other actions.  So if you have SPAMCOP 
DELETE, any E-mail failing the SPAMCOP test will be deleted (unless the 
E-mail is whitelisted).  In that case, the weighting system won't 
help.  The idea above assumes that you are using the weighting system 
exclusively.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New Variable Question ?

2003-05-31 Thread Charles Frolick
I use weightrange to define 6 distinct levels of spam (the last one
actually is just weight so anything over is caught).  Then all I do is
add a header X-SPAM-Level: TESTNAME.  End result is what you are asking
for, just use stars instead of TESTNAME.

Global.cfg 

SPAM-NONE   weightrange x   x   0   4
SPAM-VLOW   weightrange x   x   5   9
SPAM-LOWweightrange x   x   10  14
SPAM-MIDweightrange x   x   15  19
SPAM-HIGH   weightrange x   x   20  29
SPAM-VHIGH  weight  x   x   30  0

$default$.junkmail 

SPAM-NONE   WARN X-SPAM-Level: %TESTNAME%
SPAM-VLOW   WARN X-SPAM-Level: %TESTNAME%
SPAM-LOWWARN X-SPAM-Level: %TESTNAME%
SPAM-MIDWARN X-SPAM-Level: %TESTNAME%
SPAM-HIGH   WARN X-SPAM-Level: %TESTNAME%
SPAM-VHIGH  WARN X-SPAM-Level: %TESTNAME%

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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Scott,

Would it be possible to have a variable like the %weight% variable say
%weight*% that would convert the weight into a series of stars based on
a
set division number with the division number possibly held in the
global.cfg
file.

This way only one x-header can be used rather than a series of x-headers
showing up if with different x-headers for each weight level. 

Using the weight alone is difficult because of all the combinations that
can
develop (3 30 33) all look the same it trying to filter on  x-header
contains  xx 3. Using a division number of say 5 this could be
represented
as  xxand xx ** or xx *** (depending on rounding
factor)
and be represented with 1 x-header instead of several depending on the
weight levels defined.

Stu

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814-425-1696
Parker724-399-1158   GremLan   814-337-7060 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Kevin Bilbee
OK I am having trouble with the spam domains test. I just can not get my
brain to wrap it. Could someone try to give a concise detailed
explanation???

Kevin Bilbee

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 Attached is a list of spamdomains and their coresponding aliases
 that I've compiled thus far.  Anybody want to comment or expand upon this?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Scott MacLean
At 01:36 PM 5/30/2003, John Tolmachoff \(Lists\) wrote:

 If someone has a comprehensive spamdomains listing they are happy
 with,could they post it for others to analyze/use?
Uh, see the orginal post that started this thread.
I would, except the list archives are still down.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
 John,
 
 In your list you your have: microsoft.com msn.com

Urgh, I can't win. It is not my list. Please people, read the entire post.
(Yes, I myself am guilty at times, so first admonishment is to me.)

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Frederick Samarelli
Sorry John.

I am questioning the validity of the test more then I am questioning you.

Fred
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  John,
 
  In your list you your have: microsoft.com msn.com

 Urgh, I can't win. It is not my list. Please people, read the entire post.
 (Yes, I myself am guilty at times, so first admonishment is to me.)

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Andy Schmidt
Bill,

MX records only tell you where email is SENT to.  It doesn't tell you
anything about OUTBOUND mail.

I have in fact received emails where signed @excite.com but where sent
through the excitenetwork's server.

The only way how you can determine, which other RDNS are used, is by
checking your Declude log files, use FILESTR to find the SPAMDOMAINS
failures and then filter for excite...

Best Regards
Andy 


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From what I see, they look to be mutually exclusive:
==
dig mx excite.com

;  DiG 9.2.1  mx excite.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15919
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;excite.com.IN  MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
excite.com. 900 IN  MX  10 xmxpita.excite.com.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
excite.com. 900 IN  NS  dns5.imgfarm.com.
excite.com. 900 IN  NS  dns4.imgfarm.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
xmxpita.excite.com. 900 IN  A   208.45.133.107

;; Query time: 81 msec
;; SERVER: 204.189.38.2#53(204.189.38.2)
;; WHEN: Fri May 30 11:50:28 2003
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 114
==
dig mx excitenetwork.com

;  DiG 9.2.1  mx excitenetwork.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 2577
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;excitenetwork.com. IN  MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
excitenetwork.com.  300 IN  MX  25 mx.excitenetwork.com.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
excitenetwork.com.  300 IN  NS  dns5.imgfarm.com.
excitenetwork.com.  300 IN  NS  dns4.imgfarm.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
mx.excitenetwork.com.   300 IN  A   63.108.110.20

;; Query time: 121 msec
;; SERVER: 204.189.38.2#53(204.189.38.2)
;; WHEN: Fri May 30 11:51:56 2003
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 116
==

Bill

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 Bill,

 You need to update:

 excite.com excitenetwork.com

 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt

 HM Systems Software, Inc.
 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

 Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
 Fax:+1 201 934-9206

 http://www.HM-Software.com/


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 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list


 Here is my list thus far:

 amazon.com
 aol.com
 apple.com
 att.
 attbi.com
 bellsouth.net
 charter.net
 comcast.
 compuserve.com
 cox.
 earthlink.
 excite.com
 gte.
 hotmail.com
 juno.com  .untd.com
 lycos.com
 microsoft.com
 mindspring.
 msn.com   .hotmail.com
 netscape.
 psi.
 qwest.
 .rr.com
 verio.
 verizon.  .bellatlantic.
 yahoo.com

 Bill
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 Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list


  If someone has a comprehensive spamdomains listing they are happy 
  with,could they post it for others to analyze/use?
 
  At 10:36 AM 5/30/2003, Bill Landry wrote:
 
  One comment.  Instead of having:
  
  yahoo.com
  yahoo.ca yahoo.com
  yahoo.de yahoo.com
  yahoo.dk yahoo.com
  yahoo.es yahoo.com
  yahoo.fr yahoo.com
  yahoo.it yahoo.com
  yahoo.no yahoo.com
  yahoo.se yahoo.com
  yahoo.co.jp yahoo.com
  yahoo.co.uk yahoo.com
  yahoo.com.ar yahoo.com
  yahoo.com.au yahoo.com
  yahoo.com.br yahoo.com
  yahoo.com.cn yahoo.com
  yahoo.com.hk yahoo.com
  yahoo.co.kr yahoo.com
  yahoo.com.mx yahoo.com
  yahoo.com.tw yahoo.com
  
  Why not just consolidate this down to:
  
  yahoo.yahoo.com
  
  Bill
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Attached is a list of spamdomains and their coresponding aliases 
that
 I've
  compiled thus far.  Anybody want to comment or expand upon this?
   
Bill
   
   
   
   
  
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] New Variable Question ?

2003-05-31 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 This  works  and  we have set this up now however, this setup adds a
 number of extra x-headers...

Further to Chuck's comment on this, can you post the WEIGHTRANGE lines
from  your  .CFG?  By  definition,  you  can't fail mutually exclusive
WEIGHTRANGE tests.

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[Declude.JunkMail] updated spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Bill B.
Here is my updated list that we're using based on todays's discussions and further 
review of our log data.  Let me know if anybody sees any errors or omissions.

Would anybody like to expand on the Lycos domains?  I know they offer free email 
accounts at several of their international domain names, however the RevDNS doesn't 
always include .lycos.

Bill





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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] updated spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Markus Gufler
Hi Bill,

I think for GMX-mails (german freemailer) we can use the same solution
as you have proposed for yahoo

@gmx.   .gmx.

I've seen that there are a lot of country specific domains (gmx.it, .at,
.de ...) resolving to the PTR-Records:

213.165.64.100 PTR record: mx0.gmx.net. [TTL 50222s] [A=213.165.64.100]
213.165.64.100 PTR record: mx0.gmx.de. [TTL 50222s] [A=213.165.64.100]

Other gmx-domains (gmx.net, ...) have the PTR records:

213.165.64.20 PTR record: mail.gmx.net. [TTL 86400s] [A=213.165.64.20]
213.165.64.20 PTR record: mail.gmx.de. [TTL 86400s] [A=213.165.64.20]
213.165.64.20 PTR record: pop.gmx.net. [TTL 86400s] [A=213.165.64.20]
213.165.64.20 PTR record: pop.gmx.de. [TTL 86400s] [A=213.165.64.20]
213.165.64.20 PTR record: imap.gmx.net. [TTL 86400s] [A=213.165.64.20]

Markus



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 Here is my updated list that we're using based on todays's 
 discussions and further review of our log data.  Let me know 
 if anybody sees any errors or omissions.
 
 Would anybody like to expand on the Lycos domains?  I know 
 they offer free email accounts at several of their 
 international domain names, however the RevDNS doesn't always 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread R. Scott Perry

What if you had two lines:

msn.com hotmail.com
msn.com microsoft.com
It would NOT fail if it reversed to either hotmail or ms, correct?
Actually, it would fail in this case, since each line is processed 
separately from the rest.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] updated spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Markus Gufler
What about the following?

Bigfoot.com
Geocities.com
Rocketmail.com
Wanadoo.fr


Another question:
Normaly if one of our new customers has a old ISP-specific email-Adress
(for example [EMAIL PROTECTED]) we try to let configure an
email-forwarding to the clients mailbox on our server.

For this messages it's already difficult to make DNS-based tests,
specialy if the old ISP forwards the message over 3-4 hops. (Require
declude's hophigh set to 4-5)

But if I understand right all this forwarded messages will fail also the
SPAMDOMAINS test because the sending ISP usually hasn't the allowed
string in his PTR record.

Markus

 

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 Here is my updated list that we're using based on todays's 
 discussions and further review of our log data.  Let me know 
 if anybody sees any errors or omissions.
 
 Would anybody like to expand on the Lycos domains?  I know 
 they offer free email accounts at several of their 
 international domain names, however the RevDNS doesn't always 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] updated spamdomains list

2003-05-31 Thread Jason Newland
Rocketmail.com resolves to yahoo.com

So:


Rocketmail.com yahoo.com


Would be a valid entry


What about the following?

Bigfoot.com
Geocities.com
Rocketmail.com

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] MAILFROM - correct?

2003-05-31 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi Scott:

Granted, based on
http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=skanskausa.com this
domain is a mess - but, it DOES have a MX record and the lowest priority MX
record (5) has an A record and IS even answered. Most of the cc:'s in this
email when to @skanskausa.com and WERE indeed delivered - proving that
MAILFROM is valid.

So, why did this fail MAILFROM:

Received: from mlx-sku-par-1.skubi.com [12.3.242.12] by
mail.webhost.hm-software.com with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id AC05147F0162; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:43:01 -0400
Received: from mlx-sku-par-1.skubi.com ([127.0.0.1]) by
mlx-sku-par-1.skubi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329);
 Fri, 30 May 2003 11:38:19 -0400
Received: by mlb-sku-par-1.skanskausa.com with Internet Mail Service
(5.5.2653.19)
id L9132BXP; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:41:00 -0400
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: ...removed...
To: ...removed...
Cc: ...removed..., ...removed...
 ...removed..., ...removed...
 ...removed..., ...removed...
 ...removed...
Subject: MDY
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:42:01 -0400
Importance: high
X-Priority: 1
Return-Receipt-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
Content-Type: text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2003 15:38:19.0640 (UTC)
FILETIME=[7EEB4F80:01C326C1]
X-Declude-Note: Domain mlx-sku-par-1.skubi.com has no MX or A records.
X-Declude: Version 1.70i1; D7c05147f0162cb7b.SMD from gateway1.skubi.com
[12.3.242.12]
X-Declude: Triggered MAILFROM, HELOBOGUS, IPNOTINMX, NOLEGITCONTENT [3]
X-Countries: UNITED STATES-destination
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Spam-Prob: 0.768622


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206 


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[Declude.JunkMail] PREWHITELIST Question

2003-05-31 Thread Bill Landry
Scott, I have PREWHITELIST ON and WHITELIST IP 10.0.0.0/8 in my Global.cfg,
but I am still seeing:
==
05/30/2003 21:27:10 Q2f1b167300aa673e nNOLEGITCONTENT:-5 BODY-FILTER:20
SPAMCHECK:2 .  Total weight = 17
05/30/2003 21:27:10 Q2f1b167300aa673e E-mail whitelisted - automatically
passing all spam tests [10.0.0.0/8]
05/30/2003 21:27:10 Q2f1b167300aa673e R1 Message OK
05/30/2003 21:27:10 Q2f1b167300aa673e Subject: Re: Friday
05/30/2003 21:27:10 Q2f1b167300aa673e From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  IP: 10.2.68.1 ID:
==

I thought that whitelisted IP addresses would not be scanned with
PREWHITELIST ON.  I am currently running: Diagnostics ON (Declude v1.70i1).
Declude JunkMail Status: PRO version registered.

Bill

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