RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Robert E. Spivack
How many user mailboxes do you have?  The pricing of some outsourced solutions which have a per mailbox fee might actually be lower now that Declude is also an annual required payment.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Friday, Februar

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Combo Filter

2006-02-10 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Title: Message You don’t put that in the GLOBAL.CFG   In GLOBAL.CFG   COMBO-CMDSPACE-SNIFFER  filter  C:\IMail\Declude\Filters\Combo_CMDSPACE_Sniffer.txt   x  0  0     In the file called COMBO_CMD_SPACE.TXT   TESTSFAILED END CONTAINS BYPASS   #

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Imail Admin
Count me as one of those who didn't get the initial message. As an aside, I think it would be logical that when you're posting pricing/structuring/packaging changes, to make sure you have someone right on top of the support list. The rumors are often worse than the reality, and a lot of people ar

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi, Oh, I got that email - but that was just very generic and doesn't address these issues? I've been waiting to see what information will appear on the web site or on this list. Can't be effective to have to speak to every customer on the phone? Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread george kulman
Hi Andy, Like you, I didn't get the e-mail from Barry. I did do as Kevin suggested in an earlier e-mail in this thread and called Barry. We had a very pleasant conversation during which he explained everything to me and answered all of my questions to my satisfaction. It's too bad that so many

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Bilbee
I am just regurgitating what Barry told me over the phone.     Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Andy SchmidtSent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:19 PMTo: Declude.Virus@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Cha

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 and Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Bilbee
In my conversation with Barry and with Smartermail support the mail box action should now work. I have not tested it yet. Kevin > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Green dfn > Systems > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:29 PM > To: De

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 and Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Bill Green dfn Systems
Great! :-) Only one feature to go! I'm hoping the new SMTP Plus and POP Plus will enable Declude's Mailbox Action to work. Bill Green dfn Systems - Original Message - Automatic Whitelisting per user from the recipient's Web Messaging Address Book ->> As far as I know, this has b

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi Kevin,   I understand what you're saying - you believe Declude 4.0 is really just a "Declude 3.x Suite" vs. the Declude 3.x "legacy products". New customers can only purchase the Suite, while old customers will continue to upgrade their individual products. The code base is the same.   

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 and Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC
Automatic Whitelisting per user from the recipient's Web Messaging Address Book ->> As far as I know, this has been supported for quite sometime by Deculde / SmarterMail. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Green dfn Systems Sent: F

[Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 and Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Bill Green dfn Systems
Now that SmarterMail 3.0 is released, I have been perusing their site as well as Declude's site to see if the new integrated functionality and features provide the last two pieces I have been waiting for. Action - Mailbox -- send spam by weight to users web spam folder Automatic Whitelisting

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Bill Landry
Didn't get any notification here either. Bill - Original Message - From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude Barry, I didn't get the E-mail that you mentioned. I'm also wondering about what the t

[Declude.JunkMail] Text of Changes @ Declude that was sent to on Tuesday.

2006-02-10 Thread Michael Hoyt
"Dear Michael, Starting this month product and pricing is changing to reflect the structures used by SmarterMail and IMail. That is to say we are moving to a Domain/User based structure that more accurately reflects the usage by our customers. Other changes include: - Product format - A single pr

[Declude.JunkMail] COUNTRIES and COUNTRYCHAIN and Filters

2006-02-10 Thread Erik
In our GLOBAL.CFG we make use of %COUNTRYCHAIN% to be placed in our headers. We have several filters that use COUNTRIES Are these 2 different? Example of one failed email: >From the Declude Log: 02/10/2006 11:26:37 QDADA01EA87F1 Triggered COUNTRIES STARTSWITH filter MN-HOTMAILSCAM on US [we

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread george kulman
Same here too. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:27 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude > > Same here... > > >

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread System Administrator
on 2/10/06 2:36 PM, mail-lists wrote: > Got it on Tuesday... Same here. Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe De

[Declude.JunkMail] 3.0.5.26 release notes desired

2006-02-10 Thread Scott Fisher
Are there any release notes for 3.0.5.26?   I saw it and can't find any mention of the changes anywhere.

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Combo Filter

2006-02-10 Thread IS - Systems Eng. \(Karl Drugge\)
Title: Message Where do I put these lines in my config files ?   Karl Drugge             -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:45 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Combo Filter

2006-02-10 Thread Scott Fisher
Title: Message I like to run combos with Sniffer. It's very effective to combine two high percentage spam tests.   I have 10 combo filters that include Sniffer:   Sniffer and my internal IP blacklist Sniffer and SBL Sniffer and CBL Sniffer and MailPolice Block Sniffer and Spamcop Sniffer and m

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread mail-lists
Got it on Tuesday... Cavell McDermott Network Administrator Cottonwood Financial 972.753.0822 Office 214.403.4918 Cell http://www.thecashstore.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:27 PM To: De

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Dave Doherty
Same here... - Original Message - From: "John Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude Sorry, Barry, not doubting you sent it, but didn't get the message here. John C -Original Message- From

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread John Carter
Sorry, Barry, not doubting you sent it, but didn't get the message here. John C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:47 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Chang

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread Matt
Barry, I didn't get the E-mail that you mentioned. I'm also wondering about what the terms are in 4.0 for new agreements. The terminology changes from "Service Agreements" to "Subscription". Those things can have different meanings in this industry. A "Subscription" suggests expiration of

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Combo Filter

2006-02-10 Thread Robert Grosshandler
Title: Message You the Man! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran JovanovicSent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:39 AMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Combo Filter Here you go   TESTSFAILED END CONTAINS BYPASS   # Did it Fail

[Declude.JunkMail] Changes @ Declude

2006-02-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In the last 10 days we have received a number of inquiries to the email sent to every customer explaining the changes that are happening here at Declude. To summarize the answers to those questions: * No existing customer is required to move to the new annual pricing. * Our current customers can

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Bilbee
Should have said Call Declude sales and ask this list is not the authorative place to get answers on licensing. Kevin Bilbee > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:21 AM > To: Declude.JunkMail

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Bilbee
Call Declude sales and ask this list is not the authorative place to get answers. Kevin Bilbee > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:00 AM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [D

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Nick Hayer
X-Note: X-Note: This email was scanned for spam. [Details at http://spamstats.madriveraccess.com] X-Note: This email has been virus scanned by F-Prot,McAfee AV, and ClamAV. X-Note: Please send abuse reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Country-Chain: X-Hello: X-Note: SMTP Send

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Heimir Eidskrem
John T (Lists) wrote: I think we need to stop jumping to conclusions and wait for an official response from Declude (which should have already happened.) What? No gossip and no drama? I might as well just get a real job then :) H. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA ww

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Che Vilnonis
Okay, let me re-ask... can existing customers *upgrade* to version 3.x? ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:52 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 chan

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Bilbee
In my conversation with Barry he said all new licenses will be 4.x Kevin Bilbee > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Che Vilnonis > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:31 AM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Darin Cox
Let's give them time to respond. I'm sure they understand the need to come back with reasonable pricing on SAs and upgrades. Darin. - Original Message - From: "Chris Anton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 chang

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Combo Filter

2006-02-10 Thread Goran Jovanovic
Title: Message Here you go   TESTSFAILED END CONTAINS BYPASS   # Did it Fail CMDSPACE TESTSFAILED   END NOTCONTAINS CMDSPACE   # It failed CMDSPACE now check Sniffer TESTSFAILED   10 CONTAINS    SNIFFER   Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions   F

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Combo Filter

2006-02-10 Thread Robert Grosshandler
Title: Message Would you be so kind as to post this filter?   Thanks ahead of time   Rob From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran JovanovicSent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 8:33 AMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Combo Filter FYI

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread John T \(Lists\)
I think we need to stop jumping to conclusions and wait for an official response from Declude (which should have already happened.) I have a feeling that the $1450 for a new license and not for a renewal SA. If that is the case, some one from Declude needs to clarify this on the web site stating t

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Che Vilnonis
Okay, that begs the question... can we buy the 3.x product alone? (i.e. ICS vs. just Imail server?) I certainly hope so! ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:24 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.c

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Bilbee
It is not possible to purchase any of the 4.x components alone. They are sold as one package. New sales will be the version 4 suite. If you currently have the 3.x product you can stay with seperate components. Kevin Bilbee > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL P

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Fox, Thomas
I had similar complaints when Sniffer increased their price 50% overnight. Sniffer's attitude was pretty much like it or lump it. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Anton > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:53 AM > To: Declude.J

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Michael Jaworski
Has anyone checked the service agreement page?? https://www.declude.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=22 "Following the initial 12 month service and support period included in your initial purchase of your Declude product, a Service Agreement extends the support for a further year." Michael Jaworski P

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Chris Anton
Declude can't be serious. This pricing is ridiculous. We turned to Declude because we needed an affordable anti-spam and virus solution. Declude is not IPSwitch and should not strive to be IPSwitch. IPSwitch lost many customers over its price restructuring and Declude will see the same thing if

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Erik
We won't renew as well if that is the case. Time already spent with the Declude software in adjusting filters for SPAM and it's costs and the cost of email software renewal AND other 3rd part plug-ins for SPAM control; it does not add up for a profit with us as a hosting provider. If you truly ad

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Darin Cox
Yep.  at that price it's time to move to something else or build our own system.   Declude, come back with something reasonable or you'll lose customers like IMail did. Darin.     - Original Message - From: Scott Fisher To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Heimir Eidskrem
At that price we will be looking for alternatives. Considering the cost of declude + sniffer puts us close to $2k. At that price we have many other options and will explore them for sure. H. Scott Fisher wrote: I can tell you at $1450 a year for my Declude for Imail, isn't going to fly very we

[Declude.JunkMail] Stock spammers a shift?

2006-02-10 Thread Scott Fisher
I'm starting to see the stock spammers coming in with base64 encoding and jpeg files.   That'll be intesting to try to block. -Scott FisherDirector of ITFarm Progress Companies191 S Gary AveCarol Stream, IL 60188630-462-2323   This email me

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Scott Fisher
I can tell you at $1450 a year for my Declude for Imail, isn't going to fly very well here. Ironically, one of the reasons I chose Declude in the beginning was the lower maintenance cost. The upfront cost was higher than the alternatives, but the ongoing price was very affordable. I belive the

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Che Vilnonis
I agree. I just emailed to see what the upgrade price would be for just Junkmail... and I'm not sure that is even possible to purchase it alone. Sounds like Declude has been following Ipswitch's model for bundling/pricing software. ~Ché -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[

[Declude.JunkMail] declude 4 changes ... worried...

2006-02-10 Thread Scott Fisher
So I thought I'd go web browsing on the Declude site and see what is up with Declude 4. I'm a Virus Pro and Junkmail Pro licensee on Imail.   Going forward Declude 4 is the entire suite (Virus Pro, Junkmail Pro and Hijaak). Kevin's post mentions that Declude 3 will be supported. Although lon