Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Dave, This was a problem when we first implemented Declude with SmarterMail. The spool manager would show files in the spool, even after we had deleted them. The only way to get rid of them was to bring down the SM services and then restart them. Then the files no longer appeared in the spool. I believe that SmarterTools has now rectified that. - Original Message - From: Dave Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail However, the contents of the HDR file are retained in memory by SmarterMail. That sounds like it could lead to a memory leak. I tried SM as a SmartHost caching server and deleted all returns beforee SM could send them. About once a week I had to reboot the machine. Now I think I know why. -d - Original Message - From: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail See below. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: David Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Hello David, Friday, April 29, 2005, 4:55:53 PM, you wrote: DFRD No, there is not an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages. If DFRD Declude does not complete processing within a specified time period, DFRD SmarterMail tries to take the file. However, if Declude finishes processing So, does this mean that SM could process a file that Declude did NOT scan? That should not happen, since the message is passed to Declude by SmarterMail. Or, are you saying this moving the file in a different folder process prevents SM from EVER processing a file that Declude hasn't finished? No, I am not saying that at all. There are some unique aspects regarding the way SmarterMail processes messages that necessitate equally unique behavior on the part of Declude (unfortunately). When the incoming SMTP dialogue has been completed, SmarterMail creates the envelope file (HDR) and the message data file (EML). However, the contents of the HDR file are retained in memory by SmarterMail. The most significant negative effect of this behavior is that changes made by Declude to the envelope (re-routing a recipient, deleting a recipient, etc.) are not seen by SmarterMail; when SmarterMail regains control of the message it uses the envelope in memory and completely disregards any changes made to the envelope. To circumvent this behavior, Declude renames the HDR and EML files after processing by prepending X to the spool name prior to moving the message back to the SmarterMail spool. This causes SmarterMail to see this as a new message and reads a new envelope into memory. It eventually realizes that, in a sense, the old message has been deleted. Since this is seen as a new message by SmarterMail, it tries to pass it once again to Declude. However, Declude ignores all messages whose names begin with X because it knows they have already been processed. DF -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Good news. Thanks! I'll try it out again, then. -d - Original Message - From: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Dave, This was a problem when we first implemented Declude with SmarterMail. The spool manager would show files in the spool, even after we had deleted them. The only way to get rid of them was to bring down the SM services and then restart them. Then the files no longer appeared in the spool. I believe that SmarterTools has now rectified that. - Original Message - From: Dave Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail However, the contents of the HDR file are retained in memory by SmarterMail. That sounds like it could lead to a memory leak. I tried SM as a SmartHost caching server and deleted all returns beforee SM could send them. About once a week I had to reboot the machine. Now I think I know why. -d - Original Message - From: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail See below. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: David Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Hello David, Friday, April 29, 2005, 4:55:53 PM, you wrote: DFRD No, there is not an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages. If DFRD Declude does not complete processing within a specified time period, DFRD SmarterMail tries to take the file. However, if Declude finishes processing So, does this mean that SM could process a file that Declude did NOT scan? That should not happen, since the message is passed to Declude by SmarterMail. Or, are you saying this moving the file in a different folder process prevents SM from EVER processing a file that Declude hasn't finished? No, I am not saying that at all. There are some unique aspects regarding the way SmarterMail processes messages that necessitate equally unique behavior on the part of Declude (unfortunately). When the incoming SMTP dialogue has been completed, SmarterMail creates the envelope file (HDR) and the message data file (EML). However, the contents of the HDR file are retained in memory by SmarterMail. The most significant negative effect of this behavior is that changes made by Declude to the envelope (re-routing a recipient, deleting a recipient, etc.) are not seen by SmarterMail; when SmarterMail regains control of the message it uses the envelope in memory and completely disregards any changes made to the envelope. To circumvent this behavior, Declude renames the HDR and EML files after processing by prepending X to the spool name prior to moving the message back to the SmarterMail spool. This causes SmarterMail to see this as a new message and reads a new envelope into memory. It eventually realizes that, in a sense, the old message has been deleted. Since this is seen as a new message by SmarterMail, it tries to pass it once again to Declude. However, Declude ignores all messages whose names begin with X because it knows they have already been processed. DF -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
See below. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: David Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Hello David, Friday, April 29, 2005, 4:55:53 PM, you wrote: DFRD No, there is not an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages. If DFRD Declude does not complete processing within a specified time period, DFRD SmarterMail tries to take the file. However, if Declude finishes processing So, does this mean that SM could process a file that Declude did NOT scan? That should not happen, since the message is passed to Declude by SmarterMail. Or, are you saying this moving the file in a different folder process prevents SM from EVER processing a file that Declude hasn't finished? No, I am not saying that at all. There are some unique aspects regarding the way SmarterMail processes messages that necessitate equally unique behavior on the part of Declude (unfortunately). When the incoming SMTP dialogue has been completed, SmarterMail creates the envelope file (HDR) and the message data file (EML). However, the contents of the HDR file are retained in memory by SmarterMail. The most significant negative effect of this behavior is that changes made by Declude to the envelope (re-routing a recipient, deleting a recipient, etc.) are not seen by SmarterMail; when SmarterMail regains control of the message it uses the envelope in memory and completely disregards any changes made to the envelope. To circumvent this behavior, Declude renames the HDR and EML files after processing by prepending X to the spool name prior to moving the message back to the SmarterMail spool. This causes SmarterMail to see this as a new message and reads a new envelope into memory. It eventually realizes that, in a sense, the old message has been deleted. Since this is seen as a new message by SmarterMail, it tries to pass it once again to Declude. However, Declude ignores all messages whose names begin with X because it knows they have already been processed. DF -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
However, the contents of the HDR file are retained in memory by SmarterMail. That sounds like it could lead to a memory leak. I tried SM as a SmartHost caching server and deleted all returns beforee SM could send them. About once a week I had to reboot the machine. Now I think I know why. -d - Original Message - From: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail See below. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: David Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Hello David, Friday, April 29, 2005, 4:55:53 PM, you wrote: DFRD No, there is not an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages. If DFRD Declude does not complete processing within a specified time period, DFRD SmarterMail tries to take the file. However, if Declude finishes processing So, does this mean that SM could process a file that Declude did NOT scan? That should not happen, since the message is passed to Declude by SmarterMail. Or, are you saying this moving the file in a different folder process prevents SM from EVER processing a file that Declude hasn't finished? No, I am not saying that at all. There are some unique aspects regarding the way SmarterMail processes messages that necessitate equally unique behavior on the part of Declude (unfortunately). When the incoming SMTP dialogue has been completed, SmarterMail creates the envelope file (HDR) and the message data file (EML). However, the contents of the HDR file are retained in memory by SmarterMail. The most significant negative effect of this behavior is that changes made by Declude to the envelope (re-routing a recipient, deleting a recipient, etc.) are not seen by SmarterMail; when SmarterMail regains control of the message it uses the envelope in memory and completely disregards any changes made to the envelope. To circumvent this behavior, Declude renames the HDR and EML files after processing by prepending X to the spool name prior to moving the message back to the SmarterMail spool. This causes SmarterMail to see this as a new message and reads a new envelope into memory. It eventually realizes that, in a sense, the old message has been deleted. Since this is seen as a new message by SmarterMail, it tries to pass it once again to Declude. However, Declude ignores all messages whose names begin with X because it knows they have already been processed. DF -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Declude does not currently plug directly into SmarterMail's spam tools. They are completely separate. The MAILBOX directive used by Declude with IMail, whereby an email is moved to a specific user folder, is not available on the SmarterMail platform. When I have discussed this with SmarterMail, they have said that the recipient can move it himself to a particular folder on the basis of headers added to the message by Declude. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Yes, that is absolutly correct - Declude will work on Smartermail. So I was just playing with the SM web interface -- does Declude plug directly into SM's spam tools? If so, that looks pretty slick compared to hacked up scripts shuffling stuff into the right folders .. :) Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Yeah, I haven't played with smartermail in much depth, but I assumed a global filter could be created based on header, then have Declude mark up the headers accordingly.. Jonathan David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] wrote: Declude does not currently plug directly into SmarterMail's spam tools. They are completely separate. The MAILBOX directive used by Declude with IMail, whereby an email is moved to a specific user folder, is not available on the SmarterMail platform. When I have discussed this with SmarterMail, they have said that the recipient can move it himself to a particular folder on the basis of headers added to the message by Declude. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Yes, that is absolutly correct - Declude will work on Smartermail. So I was just playing with the SM web interface -- does Declude plug directly into SM's spam tools? If so, that looks pretty slick compared to hacked up scripts shuffling stuff into the right folders .. :) Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
I downloaded the SM/Declude demo, thinking of moving from Imail. One thing I noticed is that for each message, SM appeared to move it's version of the D/Q files from spool, to a processing folder and then process it. This seems like twice the necessary disk activity over just processing it from the /spool folder. Has anybody seen any SM performance hits vs. Declude because of this on a system handling 30k msgs/hr? (Assuming use of standard Imail best practices for disk utilization) -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
There is a very specific reason for this process. Unlike IMail, which provides for a daisy-chain mechanism whereby Declude gets the msg for processing and hands it back to smtp32 for delivery, SmarterMail passes the msg to Declude and, after a set period of time, tries to deliver it. Taking it out of the spool prevents SmarterMail from grabbing the file until Declude has finished with it. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: David Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail I downloaded the SM/Declude demo, thinking of moving from Imail. One thing I noticed is that for each message, SM appeared to move it's version of the D/Q files from spool, to a processing folder and then process it. This seems like twice the necessary disk activity over just processing it from the /spool folder. Has anybody seen any SM performance hits vs. Declude because of this on a system handling 30k msgs/hr? (Assuming use of standard Imail best practices for disk utilization) -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Hello David, Friday, April 29, 2005, 4:27:38 PM, you wrote: DFRD msg to Declude and, after a set period of time, tries to deliver it. Taking DFRD it out of the spool prevents SmarterMail from grabbing the file until DFRD Declude has finished with it. So there is an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages? How long? -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Hello Sanford, SW If it's just a file move to another location on the same volume, it SW should hardly be noticeable. A copy would be another story. That's what I thought. But when disk I/O is already a big issue, it's hard to add anything more. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
No, there is not an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages. If Declude does not complete processing within a specified time period, SmarterMail tries to take the file. However, if Declude finishes processing sooner, SmarterMail knows that the Declude process has terminated and delivers the email immediately. - Original Message - From: David Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Hello David, Friday, April 29, 2005, 4:27:38 PM, you wrote: DFRD msg to Declude and, after a set period of time, tries to deliver it. Taking DFRD it out of the spool prevents SmarterMail from grabbing the file until DFRD Declude has finished with it. So there is an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages? How long? -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
On 4/29/05, David Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there is an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages? How long? Whatever you set it to be. Mine is 30 seconds. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Hi David, What is the recommended setting for SmarterMail delivery delay with Declude? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:56 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail No, there is not an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages. If Declude does not complete processing within a specified time period, SmarterMail tries to take the file. However, if Declude finishes processing sooner, SmarterMail knows that the Declude process has terminated and delivers the email immediately. - Original Message - From: David Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Hello David, Friday, April 29, 2005, 4:27:38 PM, you wrote: DFRD msg to Declude and, after a set period of time, tries to deliver it. Taking DFRD it out of the spool prevents SmarterMail from grabbing the file until DFRD Declude has finished with it. So there is an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages? How long? -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
We use Declude JM Pro with IMail, and have been thinking about SmarterMail. We often use the ability to direct messages in certain weight ranges (e.g., 10-20) to go to certain mailbox folders (spam). Are you saying this feature isn't supported when using JM with SM? Ben - Original Message - From: David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Declude does not currently plug directly into SmarterMail's spam tools. They are completely separate. The MAILBOX directive used by Declude with IMail, whereby an email is moved to a specific user folder, is not available on the SmarterMail platform. When I have discussed this with SmarterMail, they have said that the recipient can move it himself to a particular folder on the basis of headers added to the message by Declude. David Franco-Rocha - Original Message - From: Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Yes, that is absolutly correct - Declude will work on Smartermail. So I was just playing with the SM web interface -- does Declude plug directly into SM's spam tools? If so, that looks pretty slick compared to hacked up scripts shuffling stuff into the right folders .. :) Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
SmartMail has Junk E-mail folders built in. Every account has one. We have a Declude weight range designated that adds **SPAM** to the subject of failed messages. We then created domain content filtering rules that look for that subject and automatically routes the message to the user's Junk folder. Shayne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imail Admin Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail We use Declude JM Pro with IMail, and have been thinking about SmarterMail. We often use the ability to direct messages in certain weight ranges (e.g., 10-20) to go to certain mailbox folders (spam). Are you saying this feature isn't supported when using JM with SM? Ben --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[6]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Hello David, Friday, April 29, 2005, 4:55:53 PM, you wrote: DFRD No, there is not an inherent delay in the delivery of all messages. If DFRD Declude does not complete processing within a specified time period, DFRD SmarterMail tries to take the file. However, if Declude finishes processing So, does this mean that SM could process a file that Declude did NOT scan? Or, are you saying this moving the file in a different folder process prevents SM from EVER processing a file that Declude hasn't finished? -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Moved 3 installs from Imail to SM/DECLUDE. Wish I would have done it sooner. - Original Message - From: Robert Grosshandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
The price for SM from Declude was great. Even better yet is SmarterMail, the product. It works. Their able to get things tuned up or added a lot quicker like Declude. I am seeing a pattern. I like it when a software company is lean and mean. I would rather feed a lean cat than a fat cat. First it was WebTrends, then Lyris and now Ipswitch. Still trying to figure out how MS fits in this picture. Fat cat with a big stick?? One vote for SmarterMail. Mike PS Don't miss the fact their backup servers come with the deal at no charge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Overall we're happy with the combo. Hosting 81 domains/350 users and getting ready to add another 100 or so accounts. We very much prefer SM to Imail. Web interface alone is worth the switch, and we've been able to do some nifty things incorporating automation and other .Net driven features into our company site by using SM's web services. There are still some BIG issues with Declude/SM that seem to be related to file handling. In some instances, Declude's tests will run but the message header and subject don't get modified; the message gets delivered as if no tests were run. Declude acknowledges the problem and is working on it. The only other major shortcoming, in our opinion, is the inability to whitelist authenticated users; but we hear that SmarterMail will address that in their next release. So, it's not perfect yet (grin), but I'll still take it over Imail. Shayne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
My Imail license is relegated to SMTP traffic generated by a ColdFusion server. SmarterMail took over the public-facing mail chores shortly after Ipswitch killed Imail in favor of ICS. Second the comment about the web interface. Its as if grownups designed it versus hobbyists. Sounds harsh but you have to see it in action. I still have a Declude Virus and Spam license. May bring back the Virus as I always liked FProt but my antispam went to an ASSP gateway well over a year ago. It manages the spam... not me. And does a dam fine job of it on its own I might add. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Does Smartermail have any features built in for gateway based systems - i.e. load a list of accounts that are valid that you gateway for envelope rejection? Darrell --- Comprehensive reporting for Declude Junkmail and Virus - DLAnalyzer - http://www.invariantsystems.com. - Original Message - From: Michael Jaworski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail The price for SM from Declude was great. Even better yet is SmarterMail, the product. It works. Their able to get things tuned up or added a lot quicker like Declude. I am seeing a pattern. I like it when a software company is lean and mean. I would rather feed a lean cat than a fat cat. First it was WebTrends, then Lyris and now Ipswitch. Still trying to figure out how MS fits in this picture. Fat cat with a big stick?? One vote for SmarterMail. Mike PS Don't miss the fact their backup servers come with the deal at no charge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
So how about all the hot new features of IMail 8.2? How do those compare with similar features in SmarterMail? Also, we mostly use IMAP, rather than the web interface. How does the IMAP feature in Smartermail compare to Imail? For that matter, is there any change to the IMAP feature in Imail 8.2? I've always considered their IMAP support a little weak, and I'd be interested to know if they've made any improvements. Ben - Original Message - From: Robert Grosshandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Best to download a free copy of SmarterMail to evaluate for yourself. But except for the advanced spam SmarterMail already had these new features. Alternate port, On spartermail you can use a different alternate port per domain. Automatic droping of connections in a dictionary attack situation. SPF also was already in SmarterMail... Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of IMail Admin Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:12 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail So how about all the hot new features of IMail 8.2? How do those compare with similar features in SmarterMail? Also, we mostly use IMAP, rather than the web interface. How does the IMAP feature in Smartermail compare to Imail? For that matter, is there any change to the IMAP feature in Imail 8.2? I've always considered their IMAP support a little weak, and I'd be interested to know if they've made any improvements. Ben - Original Message - From: Robert Grosshandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Why didn't you point your CF server at smartermail? And, if I'm trying to reduce the new systems and learning curves, can I keep Declude Virus and Junkmail going? Thanks for the input. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:31 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail My Imail license is relegated to SMTP traffic generated by a ColdFusion server. SmarterMail took over the public-facing mail chores shortly after Ipswitch killed Imail in favor of ICS. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
We're doing just that. Using SmartMail's web services we can generate a list of all accounts and aliases on the system. We then just script that list over toour Postfix on a set schedule.ShayneDoes Smartermail have any features built in for gateway based systems - i.e.load a list of accounts that are valid that you gateway for enveloperejection?Darrell
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Not the last time I asked for it. They acted like they could not fathom why we would ever need it, and said they weren't even working on it. So I'm still on Imail. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Does Smartermail have any features built in for gateway based systems - i.e. load a list of accounts that are valid that you gateway for envelope rejection? Darrell --- Comprehensive reporting for Declude Junkmail and Virus - DLAnalyzer - http://www.invariantsystems.com. - Original Message - From: Michael Jaworski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail The price for SM from Declude was great. Even better yet is SmarterMail, the product. It works. Their able to get things tuned up or added a lot quicker like Declude. I am seeing a pattern. I like it when a software company is lean and mean. I would rather feed a lean cat than a fat cat. First it was WebTrends, then Lyris and now Ipswitch. Still trying to figure out how MS fits in this picture. Fat cat with a big stick?? One vote for SmarterMail. Mike PS Don't miss the fact their backup servers come with the deal at no charge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
hmm .. .I think I'm confused. You're saying Imail has a way to load user accounts for gateway systems? All I've ever seen is the host file hack for adding gateway domains, but I've never seen a way to load user accounts. Am I missing something? No it does not have this feature built in but Sandy wrote some nifty scripts that make this task a bit easier. Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Yes, that is absolutly correct - Declude will work on Smartermail. Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
My comment refers to their SmartHost feature, which allegedly is a gateway product. But there is no way for the mailbox server to communicate to the SmartHost what addresses are acceptable. Therefore, you need to script some stuff up and use a different gateway. That makes the SmartHost feature just about useless in my book. -d - Original Message - From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Does Smartermail have any features built in for gateway based systems - i.e. load a list of accounts that are valid that you gateway for envelope rejection? Darrell --- Comprehensive reporting for Declude Junkmail and Virus - DLAnalyzer - http://www.invariantsystems.com. - Original Message - From: Michael Jaworski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail The price for SM from Declude was great. Even better yet is SmarterMail, the product. It works. Their able to get things tuned up or added a lot quicker like Declude. I am seeing a pattern. I like it when a software company is lean and mean. I would rather feed a lean cat than a fat cat. First it was WebTrends, then Lyris and now Ipswitch. Still trying to figure out how MS fits in this picture. Fat cat with a big stick?? One vote for SmarterMail. Mike PS Don't miss the fact their backup servers come with the deal at no charge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Dave, That's unfortunate - that feature would be a no brainier for an immediate migration to the product for me. Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. - Original Message - From: Dave Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Not the last time I asked for it. They acted like they could not fathom why we would ever need it, and said they weren't even working on it. So I'm still on Imail. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Does Smartermail have any features built in for gateway based systems - i.e. load a list of accounts that are valid that you gateway for envelope rejection? Darrell --- Comprehensive reporting for Declude Junkmail and Virus - DLAnalyzer - http://www.invariantsystems.com. - Original Message - From: Michael Jaworski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail The price for SM from Declude was great. Even better yet is SmarterMail, the product. It works. Their able to get things tuned up or added a lot quicker like Declude. I am seeing a pattern. I like it when a software company is lean and mean. I would rather feed a lean cat than a fat cat. First it was WebTrends, then Lyris and now Ipswitch. Still trying to figure out how MS fits in this picture. Fat cat with a big stick?? One vote for SmarterMail. Mike PS Don't miss the fact their backup servers come with the deal at no charge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Dave Doherty wrote: Not the last time I asked for it. They acted like they could not fathom why we would ever need it, and said they weren't even working on it. So I'm still on Imail. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Does Smartermail have any features built in for gateway based systems - i.e. load a list of accounts that are valid that you gateway for envelope rejection? Darrell --- Comprehensive reporting for Declude Junkmail and Virus - DLAnalyzer - http://www.invariantsystems.com. - Original Message - From: Michael Jaworski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail The price for SM from Declude was great. Even better yet is SmarterMail, the product. It works. Their able to get things tuned up or added a lot quicker like Declude. I am seeing a pattern. I like it when a software company is lean and mean. I would rather feed a lean cat than a fat cat. First it was WebTrends, then Lyris and now Ipswitch. Still trying to figure out how MS fits in this picture. Fat cat with a big stick?? One vote for SmarterMail. Mike PS Don't miss the fact their backup servers come with the deal at no charge. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Grosshandler Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Ok -- time for the question again. Thumbs up or down on the declude / smartermail integration? Comments appreciated. Rob --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. hmm .. .I think I'm confused. You're saying Imail has a way to load user accounts for gateway systems? All I've ever seen is the host file hack for adding gateway domains, but I've never seen a way to load user accounts. Am I missing something? Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Jonathan --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Yes, that is absolutly correct - Declude will work on Smartermail. So I was just playing with the SM web interface -- does Declude plug directly into SM's spam tools? If so, that looks pretty slick compared to hacked up scripts shuffling stuff into the right folders .. :) Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
You are right. IMail has no such feature, either. With Imail, I currently take the user data right from the registry using the .NET registry classes, reformat it, and send it on to my gateway. Of course, if you use an external database with Imail you can run queries against that. It just seems so logical that since SM (a) uses XML and (b) provides a gateway function, that they would provide a communication channel between the mailbox and the gateway to allow for rejection of bad addresses at the gateway. It would be so easy, and so valuable to do. Anyway, lacking that, and also missing some of the Declude/Imail features, I opted to wait to see if they do better with version 3. I put in the feature request, so maybe they are listening... Having said all that, the product looks very nice, and I agree with all that the web interface is far smarter looking than Imail's. -d hmm .. .I think I'm confused. You're saying Imail has a way to load user accounts for gateway systems? All I've ever seen is the host file hack for adding gateway domains, but I've never seen a way to load user accounts. Am I missing something? Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Jonathan --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Seems like it'd be trivial to write, hooking their svcUserAdmin.asmx and svcDomainAliasAdmin.asmx (GetAliases and GetUsers). Yeah, it'd be nice if they do it natively, but it looks like a 1 hour project to do it manually. Guess I wouldn't be too worked up about that. Jonathan Dave Doherty wrote: You are right. IMail has no such feature, either. With Imail, I currently take the user data right from the registry using the .NET registry classes, reformat it, and send it on to my gateway. Of course, if you use an external database with Imail you can run queries against that. It just seems so logical that since SM (a) uses XML and (b) provides a gateway function, that they would provide a communication channel between the mailbox and the gateway to allow for rejection of bad addresses at the gateway. It would be so easy, and so valuable to do. Anyway, lacking that, and also missing some of the Declude/Imail features, I opted to wait to see if they do better with version 3. I put in the feature request, so maybe they are listening... Having said all that, the product looks very nice, and I agree with all that the web interface is far smarter looking than Imail's. -d hmm .. .I think I'm confused. You're saying Imail has a way to load user accounts for gateway systems? All I've ever seen is the host file hack for adding gateway domains, but I've never seen a way to load user accounts. Am I missing something? Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Jonathan --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
No declude does not pluginto SM's spam filtering. Delcude works pretymuch just like it does on Imail. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:57 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Yes, that is absolutly correct - Declude will work on Smartermail. So I was just playing with the SM web interface -- does Declude plug directly into SM's spam tools? If so, that looks pretty slick compared to hacked up scripts shuffling stuff into the right folders .. :) Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Hi Jonathan- Thanks for pointing that out. I'm really surprised their tech support folks didn't recommend it. -d - Original Message - From: Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Seems like it'd be trivial to write, hooking their svcUserAdmin.asmx and svcDomainAliasAdmin.asmx (GetAliases and GetUsers). Yeah, it'd be nice if they do it natively, but it looks like a 1 hour project to do it manually. Guess I wouldn't be too worked up about that. Jonathan Dave Doherty wrote: You are right. IMail has no such feature, either. With Imail, I currently take the user data right from the registry using the .NET registry classes, reformat it, and send it on to my gateway. Of course, if you use an external database with Imail you can run queries against that. It just seems so logical that since SM (a) uses XML and (b) provides a gateway function, that they would provide a communication channel between the mailbox and the gateway to allow for rejection of bad addresses at the gateway. It would be so easy, and so valuable to do. Anyway, lacking that, and also missing some of the Declude/Imail features, I opted to wait to see if they do better with version 3. I put in the feature request, so maybe they are listening... Having said all that, the product looks very nice, and I agree with all that the web interface is far smarter looking than Imail's. -d hmm .. .I think I'm confused. You're saying Imail has a way to load user accounts for gateway systems? All I've ever seen is the host file hack for adding gateway domains, but I've never seen a way to load user accounts. Am I missing something? Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Jonathan --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
No prob - being a dev myself, I tend to try to find the most complex ways to do things. ;) Jonathan Dave Doherty wrote: Hi Jonathan- Thanks for pointing that out. I'm really surprised their tech support folks didn't recommend it. -d - Original Message - From: Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Seems like it'd be trivial to write, hooking their svcUserAdmin.asmx and svcDomainAliasAdmin.asmx (GetAliases and GetUsers). Yeah, it'd be nice if they do it natively, but it looks like a 1 hour project to do it manually. Guess I wouldn't be too worked up about that. Jonathan Dave Doherty wrote: You are right. IMail has no such feature, either. With Imail, I currently take the user data right from the registry using the .NET registry classes, reformat it, and send it on to my gateway. Of course, if you use an external database with Imail you can run queries against that. It just seems so logical that since SM (a) uses XML and (b) provides a gateway function, that they would provide a communication channel between the mailbox and the gateway to allow for rejection of bad addresses at the gateway. It would be so easy, and so valuable to do. Anyway, lacking that, and also missing some of the Declude/Imail features, I opted to wait to see if they do better with version 3. I put in the feature request, so maybe they are listening... Having said all that, the product looks very nice, and I agree with all that the web interface is far smarter looking than Imail's. -d hmm .. .I think I'm confused. You're saying Imail has a way to load user accounts for gateway systems? All I've ever seen is the host file hack for adding gateway domains, but I've never seen a way to load user accounts. Am I missing something? Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Jonathan --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Bummer... seems like they could make it work hand in hand, Declude and SM seem to be all buddy buddy .. that'd make a pretty powerful tool. Jonathan Kevin Bilbee wrote: No declude does not pluginto SM's spam filtering. Delcude works pretymuch just like it does on Imail. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:57 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sidenote, I assume SmarterMail can act as a domain filtering gateway with Declude, right? Pretty sure I saw some marketing spam saying it could .. Yes, that is absolutly correct - Declude will work on Smartermail. So I was just playing with the SM web interface -- does Declude plug directly into SM's spam tools? If so, that looks pretty slick compared to hacked up scripts shuffling stuff into the right folders .. :) Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail Queue Monitoring, Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
No it does not have this feature built in but Sandy wrote some nifty scripts that make this task a bit easier. . . . see my sig for details. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
Yup, I've seen that in your sig for years .. just never had a use for it. :) Jonathan Sanford Whiteman wrote: No it does not have this feature built in but Sandy wrote some nifty scripts that make this task a bit easier. . . . see my sig for details. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail 8.2 / smartermail
On 4/28/05, Robert Grosshandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why didn't you point your CF server at smartermail? It gave me an entirely separate mail engine. I have customers with (legitimate) association mailing lists and in (small) part this lets me split the load. SM could handle that load, but I also had major issues with my SM configuration, which uses ASSP as an antispam gateway in front of SM, and this complicated my life a fair bit. Bypassing that setup and letting Imail be a ColdFusion-smtp-only engine solved some annoying config problems between with that gateway tucked into the picture. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
