Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2001-01-02 Thread Neven MacEwan
Corey I figure it's more likely that they simply ripped the whole VCL source and started changing it to work with their compiler platform. That is, after all, the Linux Way. This is a little cruel, inaccurate and bigoted Neven

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2001-01-02 Thread Corey Murtagh
Neven MacEwan wrote: Corey I figure it's more likely that they simply ripped the whole VCL source and started changing it to work with their compiler platform. That is, after all, the Linux Way. This is a little cruel, inaccurate and bigoted Bigoted how? The Linux Way is, as

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2001-01-02 Thread Neven MacEwan
Corey I hope you're not going to accuse me of being a linux hater. No That would be an assumption. However "Open Source" does not mean violate others rights to license their software how they choose. I don't see that simply because the VCL has a partially open source you would rip it off Also

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-29 Thread Mark Derricutt
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Corey Murtagh wrote: clean-roomed. In fact I'd be very surprised if you couldn't find a fair amount of the Borland/Inprise VCL code in there somewhere. Apart from all the Windowsisms being removed and rewritten to work with GTK and linux based stuff.

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-29 Thread Nahum Wild
Corey Murtagh wrote : I mean from the screen dumps, the source code is practically identical even to having the component names the same etc. well, what else ya gonna call a button? TWidgetThingThatsClickedOnAndLooksLikeAButton ;-) Point(s) taken, but how if you check out

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-29 Thread Mark Derricutt
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Nahum Wild wrote: But if Lazarus, say, fixes the warts and adds a tweak here, an enhancement there and tries not to touch windows then there is no way that any Tries not to touch windows? Has something changed with Lazarus then? Cause it used to be a GTK/Linux/X11 only

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-29 Thread Nahum Wild
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Derricutt Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 10:28 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Nahum Wild wrote: But if Lazarus, say, fixes the warts and adds a tweak here, an enhancement there

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-29 Thread Patrick Dunford
Of Mark Derricutt Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2000 10:28 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Nahum Wild wrote: But if Lazarus, say, fixes the warts and adds a tweak here, an enhancement there and tries not to touch windows

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-29 Thread Corey Murtagh
Nahum Wild wrote: Oops, my mistake. It was a stupid hour in the morning that I wrote it though. Well then, since the it "can't" touch windown because it ain't there then there is no way that you would could use much of the borland VCL. Except perhaps for all the thousands of lines of

[DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Patrick Dunford
What's the official view of Lazarus at Inprise? I mean, they must have copied some of your source code and the OP language which appears to be proprietary. === Patrick Dunford, Christchurch, NZ - http://pdunford.godzone.net.nz/

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Nic Wise
nford" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Multiple recipients of list delphi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 10:32 AM Subject: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix What's the official view of Lazarus at Inprise? I mean, they must have copied some of your source code and the OP la

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Patrick Dunford
license i.e. cannot make a Paradox like application with it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nic Wise Sent: Friday, 29 December 2000 10:55 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix Officially, I

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Nic Wise
RAD environment maybe not...but when you see something that is more or less a clone of Delphi... yup, they had the language the same as Delphi 1.0 last time I looked. I mean from the screen dumps, the source code is practically identical even to having the component names the same etc.

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Patrick Dunford
the component name and everything that comes after it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nic Wise Sent: Friday, 29 December 2000 12:13 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix RAD environment maybe

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Mark Derricutt
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Patrick Dunford wrote: What's the official view of Lazarus at Inprise? I mean, they must have copied some of your source code and the OP language which appears to be proprietary. Do you mean FPK or Lazarus? The Lazarus project was written by looking at what TForm and

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Mark Derricutt
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Patrick Dunford wrote: Is OP proprietary or not, can they make their own compiler for the language? I guess there is a question of whether they copied component source code to make their components. From memory, Lazarus uses GTK underneath, it's been awhile since I was

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Mark Derricutt
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Nic Wise wrote: yup, there always has been - you can't make a Delphi-like product in Delphi, BUT AFAIK, freepascal compiles itself, and Delphi is not involved anywhere in the mix. One thing I'll be interested in seeing is, wheather or not its possibly to use use Lazarus

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Mark Derricutt
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Patrick Dunford wrote: Isn't the entire code covered by the copyright including the component name and everything that comes after it? I hope not, if so, does that mean that any component I write that derives from TButton or TComponent is copyrighted to Borland? I hope

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Patrick Dunford
]: Lazarus vs Kylix On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Patrick Dunford wrote: Isn't the entire code covered by the copyright including the component name and everything that comes after it? I hope not, if so, does that mean that any component I write that derives from TButton or TComponent is copyrighted

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Corey Murtagh
Nic Wise wrote: snip I mean from the screen dumps, the source code is practically identical even to having the component names the same etc. well, what else ya gonna call a button? TWidgetThingThatsClickedOnAndLooksLikeAButton ;-) Point(s) taken, but how if you check out their

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Patrick Dunford
Murtagh Sent: Friday, 29 December 2000 14:48 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix Nic Wise wrote: snip I mean from the screen dumps, the source code is practically identical even to having the component names the same etc. well, what else

RE: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Patrick Dunford
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nic Wise Sent: Friday, 29 December 2000 12:13 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix I guess there is a question of whether they copied component source code

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Nic Wise
And how far can you really go towards cloning an existing product before you are likely to get sued for copyright infringement? here we do have a product that resembles Delphi's IDE quite closely. I guess it depends on the company, the product, how "close" it is, and if the "look and feel"

Re: [DUG]: Lazarus vs Kylix

2000-12-28 Thread Nic Wise
But MS doesn't publish its source code to Windows, do they? So the Wine people would not be having the opportunity to copy existing code? (They could disassemble the DLLs and reverse engineer them but that's not quite the same thing as working on high level source code) Not last time I