On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 03:34, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zeesha...@gnome.orgwrote:
[snip]
Maybe they all lied?
Don't you think it is a bit early to speculate on results? (...)
Overall I can see already one clear result, even before the poll has
started:
We do not know who is using GNOME.
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 19:53, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:
All the questions after this assume a knowledge of GNOME and how our
community works. That's fine if you are polling developers. If you are
polling average users, then I think it's not worth asking.
Another issue that I
Hello hackers
GnomeGoals have been rather stale lately. Im willing to invest some time in
bringing it up to date. Right now it seems like the included modules is a mix
of old definitions (desktop, platform etc). Some modules are even deprecated by
now.
Would it be feasible and advantageous
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Nothing is ever perfect, but having at least some results is better
than
On 19 August 2011 00:05, Djohn Heist djohnhe...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hello hackers
Helllo Djohn,
Would it be feasible and advantageous to move the GnomeGoals to a structure
based on the new module definitions like suites-core, apps, world?
Indeed, It would really great if you can help with this.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you serious? That totally and completely speculative and
unrealistic. Have you ever participated in making a survey? I have, as
I have explained, for the Git survey. In my experience, only the
people that
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Patryk Zawadzki pat...@pld-linux.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you serious? That totally and completely speculative and
unrealistic. Have you ever participated in making a survey? I have, as
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't say this so far because it might sound like I am trying to
make a joke but since you still insist on your assertions about the
survey, I feel I must say this: How do you know people in general like
to
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 14:33, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Patryk Zawadzki pat...@pld-linux.org
wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you serious? That totally and completely
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Luc Pionchon pionchon@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 03:34, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zeesha...@gnome.org
wrote:
[snip]
Maybe they all lied?
Don't you think it is a bit early to speculate on results? (...)
Overall I can see already one clear
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 13:14, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
We already have a wealth of data about peoples' experiences with GNOME 3
Allan, this is interesting, what is the main pointer to access this data?
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't say this so far because it might sound like I am trying to
make a joke but since you still insist on your assertions
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM,
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
writes:
That's a reasonable alternative. How about pleased? Any other people
have an opinion?
You present yourself as reasonable by adjusting on the
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com writes:
That's a reasonable alternative. How about pleased? Any other people
have an opinion?
You present yourself as reasonable by adjusting on the small points,
but you ignore the feedback of greater importance.
My
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
writes:
That's a reasonable alternative. How about pleased? Any other
On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
GNOME? Can you convince him of doing so?
Do your survey with the questions you want, and come to your own
conclusions. Blog about them if you want.
On 08/19/2011 09:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
writes:
That's a reasonable alternative. How about pleased? Any other people
have an opinion?
You
Le vendredi 19 août 2011 à 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit :
It's easy to throw empty criticism. Provide *suggestions*.
Well, here’s a suggestion: since nobody knows how to address the correct
target population or how to interpret the results, I suggest to spend
our time fixing bugs
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Likewise,
'happy' will be thought of differently by different people (a very odd
word to include in a questionnaire, if you don't mind me saying):
I think everyone understands the word happy.
/ME wipes a mouthful of coffee
Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user survey.
As stated, for a project which currently targets, among others, users
who do not care what parts of their operating system can be labelled
GNOME a survey is not a very reliable way of gathering feedback.
Have you ever
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Frederic Muller fr...@gnome.org wrote:
On 08/19/2011 09:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
writes:
That's a reasonable
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le vendredi 19 août 2011 à 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit :
It's easy to throw empty criticism. Provide *suggestions*.
Well, here’s a suggestion: since nobody knows how to address the correct
target population or
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield sss...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
GNOME? Can you convince him of doing so?
Do your survey with the
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:37:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Doing nothing achieves nothing, doing something achieves learning. You
may well not learn what you intended but you will learn something
including quite possibly how to do future surveys better.
Any survey that isn't a carefully
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:37:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Doing nothing achieves nothing, doing something achieves learning. You
may well not learn what you intended but you will learn something
including quite
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 19:42 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
GNOME?
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
users doesn't result in learning. It results in data that forms some
You need truely or reasonably random samples for certain kinds of
activities and analysis in particularly quantitative analysis when you
want to
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield sss...@gmail.com wrote:
Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user survey.
Indeed, do you have a better suggestion?
There are several
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield sss...@gmail.com wrote:
Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jonathon Jongsma
jonat...@quotidian.org wrote:
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 19:42 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 19 August 2011 18:42, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, I just wanted to make things clear. In fact, if they cared about
user feedback, there would be some numbers available somewhere, and I
wouldn't have to do this.
We're not asking you to do anything. Please just
Really ought to stay out of this thread but there is one point that is
important to address below.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
But again, as I said, if there's no survey on Earth you could trust,
just ignore the results. Results by
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 08:03:45PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
I can only think of one reason why somebody would provide criticism
without suggestions for improvement...
1. Because they cannot think of a good suggestion.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 18:42, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, I just wanted to make things clear. In fact, if they cared about
user feedback, there would be some numbers available somewhere, and I
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 08:14:25PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
users doesn't result in learning.
Unless the biases are identified, which
(Resend: Managed to leave d-d-l off Cc: by accident)
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 06:15:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
users doesn't result in learning. It results in data that forms some
You need truely or reasonably
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not being aggressive. All I am asking is for clarification; is
there *anything* I could do to make the survey more acceptable to you
guys, or are you opposed to the very idea of having a user survey
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 21:20, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
The people most likely to respond to an irritating popup that disrupts their
work
are people who ...
... do not use GNOME 3.
GNOME 3 is designed to reduce distraction and interruption and to put
you in control. Our
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 14:46, Luc Pionchon pionchon@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 13:14, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
We already have a wealth of data about peoples' experiences with GNOME 3
Allan, this is interesting, what is the main pointer to access this data?
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
What do you think?
Keep in mind that Gnome 3 just hasn't been around for very long. Right
now Gnome 3 is most likely only being used by technical people, Linux
enthusiasts, etc. - it has not trickled down to end users yet. We may
have
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 08:14:25PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
On 19 August 2011 20:26, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
...To me GNOME is hitting
everything in the room as it's going forward, and saying; I'm fine, I
know where I'm going...
To me, the sun is shining through the windows of a freshly redecorated room.
If you have specific
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
(Resend: Managed to leave d-d-l off Cc: by accident)
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 06:15:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
users doesn't result in
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 20:26, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
...To me GNOME is hitting
everything in the room as it's going forward, and saying; I'm fine, I
know where I'm going...
To me, the sun is
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:53:46PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
If you went back to 1991 and wanted a production-quality kernel within a
year, Linux probably wouldn't be your starting point. There'd be a
learning process involved with setting up a professional-quality survey
team, and
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not being aggressive. All I am asking is for clarification; is
there *anything* I could do to make the survey more acceptable to you
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:26:08PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Yes, because you have no idea how big the population is. Maybe 10
million is the total population and it's representative. Maybe it's 50%
of the population, disproportionately biased towards those of a given
prior opinion.
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:05:26 +0100
Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:53:46PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
If you went back to 1991 and wanted a production-quality kernel within a
year, Linux probably wouldn't be your starting point. There'd be a
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:26:08PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Yes, because you have no idea how big the population is. Maybe 10
million is the total population and it's representative. Maybe it's 50%
of the
I'm sorry I couldn't read through the whole GNOME Survey v4 thread, but
it was just too long. What I read though is that data was collected and
extists.
Now I'd like to simply ask: where is it?
Where we developers can find real cold numbers backing out the designs
we're asked to implement?
Where
On 19 August 2011 19:00, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote:
As a specific example of unscientific user testing, I got a friend of
mine to try GNOME 3 at the desktop summit, and when it was time to
shutdown he just asked me, because he found no way and he thought it was
a bug.
Felipe Contreras felipe.contreras at gmail.com writes:
That doesn't change the fact that everyone understands the word happy.
http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html
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