Re: Icons for IM programs

2007-05-20 Thread Andrew Sobala
Jaap Haitsma wrote: ] Ok so how can we add them in the icon naming spec ? Who should I contact ? I think you should contact Rodney Dawes dobey at novell dot com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: Rise of the Plugins

2007-05-18 Thread Andrew Sobala
Martin Soto wrote: An additional point that nobody has mentioned so far is security. Most (if not all) plugin implementations already available for Gnome programs seem to allow for installing plugins in some user-owned directory. This means that by gaining access to the user's home directory, an

Re: Rise of the Plugins

2007-05-18 Thread Andrew Sobala
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Sex, 2007-05-18 às 12:54 +0200, Martin Soto escreveu: Hi Andrew, On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 11:28 +0100, Andrew Sobala wrote: Martin Soto wrote: An additional point that nobody has mentioned so far is security. Most (if not all) plugin implementations already

Re: Rise of the Plugins

2007-05-17 Thread Andrew Sobala
Shaun McCance wrote: It's not uncommon for software producers to have terminology guidelines that don't quite follow dictionary definitions. In the software world, we often use metaphors and re-use words with a sufficiently similar real-world meaning. For plug-in, the OED says: *3.*

Re: Generating excitement in GNOME

2007-04-25 Thread Andrew Sobala
My personal reaction is that it would be more useful to have a GNOME distribution (such as something jhbuild or garnome derived) which can act as a testbed of next-generation technologies - and where people can happily make different modules work together, or swap out the panel for something

Re: online desktop APIs

2007-04-13 Thread Andrew Sobala
Being able to replace Mugshot-as-desktop-server is neither here nor there. Sure, from the Freedom perspective we don't want to rely on a particular server [1], but that's not what's going to really affect the desktop experience. What's important from the user experience is not having to rely

Re: dropping bug-buddy reports for old version of gnome automatically

2007-04-07 Thread Andrew Sobala
Richard Hughes wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-07 at 17:13 +0200, Paolo Borelli wrote: Personally I am not able anymore to handle my bugmail anymore and even useful bugreports get lost in the noise. Tell me about it. gnome-power-manager 2.18.0 had a bug where it would segfault when you locked

Re: how to get a gnome library version with code?

2007-03-03 Thread Andrew Sobala
Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Diógenes wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 16:57 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 02 mars 2007 à 14:24 +0800, Neo Liu a écrit : gurus, how can I get a library version in code? is there a general way? and if not, is there a way to get atk/at-spi library version?

Re: RTL support in Gnome

2007-01-17 Thread Andrew Sobala
Yair Hershkovitz wrote: 2) I think we should add an rtl keyword to bugzilla, for tracking RTL issues. This is exactly the sort of meta- thing that keywords were designed for. In principal, I'm in favour. Do you want to open a bug against bugzilla.gnome.org asking for the keyword to be

Re: Proposed module: tracker

2007-01-10 Thread Andrew Sobala
Joe Shaw wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 16:26 +, Jamie McCracken wrote: Joe Shaw wrote: [snipped my concerns about Tracker] all these also apply to EDS too yet no one complains? Some of them apply. EDS isn't a general data store; it has APIs and backends that are very specific to

Re: Subversion migration finished

2007-01-08 Thread Andrew Sobala
Diego Escalante wrote: And in case you have errors about locales, try: alias svn=LANG=C svn in your .bashrc, but I have heard that the problems with locales are gone now. As of svn 1.3.2, there are locale errors. I was ignoring them, I've just aliased ;-) -- Andrewq

Re: GNOME git repositories?

2006-12-26 Thread Andrew Sobala
Danilo Šegan wrote: You guys seem to be engaging in the SVN vs. GIT (or any other RCS) again. I thought that this discussion was over, and I am not getting into it now ;) Just as a point of information - the last time this discussion was had, there was a *lot* of support for a *lot* of

Re: Is right the time shown on the panel

2006-12-21 Thread Andrew Sobala
These are standard conventions for digital clocks. This is a development list that you've posted to. Please address any other questions about the GNOME desktop to the user list, gnome-list@gnome.org, or the web forums at http://gnomesupport.org/forums/. Thanks! heromyth wrote: Now it was

Re: Moving spellcheckers into the Gtk+ stack

2006-12-18 Thread Andrew Sobala
Marco Barisione wrote: Il giorno lun, 18/12/2006 alle 13.02 +0100, Danilo Šegan ha scritto: Isn't this provided by LANGUAGE environment variable on GNU systems? Do you have some specs on how LANGUAGE is supposed to work?

Re: Replacing control center menus

2006-12-12 Thread Andrew Sobala
Jonathan Blandford wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 15:26 +0100, Étienne Bersac wrote: A menu longer that 10 entry is very painful. Often, Gnome properties menu is about 20 entry when you install some additionnal softwares. Gnome is the only desktop which keep using this outdated

Re: Moving spellcheckers into the Gtk+ stack

2006-12-06 Thread Andrew Sobala
Claudio Saavedra wrote: Hi all, On Tue, 2006-12-05 at 14:25 -0500, Dominic Lachowicz wrote: - Develop a simple tool for control-center to adjust above settings. Is this strictly necessary? Or would it be better to have it default to g_getlocale()? I think it would be

Re: [bug-buddy]: Custom scripts for your application

2006-12-01 Thread Andrew Sobala
Brian Cameron wrote: Let's say some program generates a log file, and because this log file is useful for debugging the maintainer specifies that the logfile should be added to the bug report when it is created. This sounds good, but what if there is some way that sensitive or private data

Re: [bug-buddy]: Custom scripts for your application

2006-12-01 Thread Andrew Sobala
Shaun McCance wrote: I think most (non-hacker) users will look at a stack trace and not even bother trying to figure out where their personal information might be inside it. Maybe adding a find dialog/bar would make them a bit more likely to do so (Does it say hotsexychicks.com in here

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-06 Thread Andrew Sobala
Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: I'm posting this here to encourage you to read my presentation at http://www.k-d-w.org/clipboard/NewStuffManager/ and to find out what you are expecting from such an application. Hi Sebastian, I missed Nigel's original e-mail, and on reading it now, I think an

Re: gnome desktop integration library

2006-09-06 Thread Andrew Sobala
Chipzz wrote: On Tue, 5 Sep 2006, Havoc Pennington wrote: Why can't gtk depend on dbus? How do those reasons not apply to libgnome? I don't know, I'm asking. But there's no reason to just make an assumption up front that gtk can't depend on dbus, or that gnome should. Because

Re: gnome desktop integration library

2006-09-06 Thread Andrew Sobala
Andrew Sobala wrote: Chipzz wrote: On Tue, 5 Sep 2006, Havoc Pennington wrote: Why can't gtk depend on dbus? How do those reasons not apply to libgnome? I don't know, I'm asking. But there's no reason to just make an assumption up front that gtk can't depend on dbus

Re: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-21 Thread Andrew Sobala
Rodney Dawes wrote: On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 16:03 -0400, Bryan Clark wrote: FWIW I think this project is awesome and should be 'blessed' into GNOME, it's made a large improvement to power issues the desktop has had for a while now. I'd recommend dropping the batstat applet in favor of this,

Re: Gnome 2 infinity and beyond [was Re: Tango and 2.16]

2006-04-20 Thread Andrew Sobala
Alan Horkan wrote: I put serious thought into the fact that Gnome 3.0 would be useful way to highlight all the progress that has been made. A major version number change is also of some marketing value. Look at the desktop. It's got incredibly amazing since the times of GNOME 2.2, but

Re: Gnome 2 infinity and beyond [was Re: Tango and 2.16]

2006-04-20 Thread Andrew Sobala
Dan Winship wrote: Andrew Sobala wrote: And it can *all* be done *now.* That's the point. It's big. It's hard. It's a lot of work. But there's nothing to stop any of these ideas being implemented. And when we have the code to make this all work, we can build something new: the next

Re: Tomboy in 2.16

2006-04-19 Thread Andrew Sobala
I've been using Tomboy for the last few days and it seriously rocks. +1 ;-) I have one question: Google tells me it should integrate with Beagle, but Beagle searches never return any Tomboy-related results. Should this Just Work? -- Andrew ___

Re: Gnome is a problem for OEMs

2006-04-11 Thread Andrew Sobala
Daniel Carrera wrote: Hello, I work for an OEM that eagerly wants to sell Linux computers. Hi, I am glad to learn that you want to support Linux on the PCs that you sell. I've spent all afternoon trying to figure out how I, as an OEM, can configure Gnome before giving it to a user. I just

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-10 Thread Andrew Sobala
Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 22:08 +0100, Andrew Sobala wrote: Corey Burger wrote: On 4/9/06, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's worth pointing out that gnome-power-manager is very much

Re: policy request: 'make uninstall' should work

2006-04-09 Thread Andrew Sobala
Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: Is that a polite way of saying that it is a policy that 'make uninstall' should work in order for an app to be hosted by f.g.o? That sort of policy would be fairly unenforcable. The point of ftp.gnome.org is to distribute components of the GNOME suite -

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-09 Thread Andrew Sobala
Jaap Haitsma wrote: Richard, As far as I understand the code of GPM splitting up GPM in a daemon and a notication area icon/applet would not be so hard. They are pretty independent from each other. The daemon just has to watch batteries, laptop lid, hardware keys and take appropriate

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-09 Thread Andrew Sobala
Corey Burger wrote: On 4/9/06, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/9/06, Andrew Sobala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's worth pointing out that gnome-power-manager is very much a notifier rather than an interactive applet. If your power cable falls out, it pops up a message saying

Re: [gpm] Re: Gnome 2.16 Module Proposal: GNOME Power Manager

2006-04-09 Thread Andrew Sobala
Elijah Newren wrote: On 4/9/06, Scott J. Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one who mouses over the applet to see how much more time until the battery is fully charged? Definitely not; I rely on this frequently. I'd be heavily annoyed if the applet wasn't showing (and no

Re: Keeping user docs up-to-date with applications

2006-03-30 Thread Andrew Sobala
Sergej Kotliar wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 21:15 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Le vendredi 24 mars 2006 à 16:20 +0300, Nickolay V. Shmyrev a écrit : While looking on discussion of removed screensaver button and work work on GNOME docs translation, one interesting idea came to my

Re: How To Use Live CD

2006-01-09 Thread Andrew Sobala
Michael Avila wrote: Thank you so much for your help. This is my 2nd or 3rd attempt at Linux. So far it is going much better than the previous attempts. I was trying to install it using yum install gnome so I guess I was a little off course! LOL But you got me going. The docs on CentOS give

Re: autotools gives autopain

2005-12-16 Thread Andrew Sobala
Sean D'Epagnier wrote: Isn't it true that scons requires you download and install it as an extra program to use it? Many users may not have scons and may not want to install it, but do want to install gnome (by compiling from source code). This is identical to the situation for autotools.

Re: Maintainership of gnome-common

2005-07-25 Thread Andrew Sobala
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:15 -0300, James Henstridge wrote: That would get mail related to non gnome-common related bugs too though, right? Yeah. For future reference, if you want to do it in a bodgy way, you can filter by keeping X-Bugzilla-Reason:.*WatchAssigned then throwing away

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-22 Thread Andrew Sobala
On Jul 22 2005, Murray Cumming wrote: I believe he meant 2.4 (the filechooser release). (yes) ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Andrew Sobala
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:49 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: But there is no reason to tarnish Gnome's reputation because some people feel that Gtk 2.8 is too cool to wait. Shipping a slower, more fragile version of Gnome and which in addition will not benefit for the most part on any of the new

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Andrew Sobala
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 17:20 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: There could or could not be significant issues in 2.7. The point is its not certain and it introduces significant *risk* to the schedule. We went through the same thing with 2.6 and it seems we learned nothing, see your own original view:

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Andrew Sobala
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 15:22 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: We're not lacking people doing tinderboxing.[1] The thing we're really missing (which has always been more important than tinderboxing, IMHO) is for someone to build daily rpms and debs for popular distributions, so that 'average' users can

Re: Certification for GNOME apps

2005-07-14 Thread Andrew Sobala
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 12:06 +0200, Danilo Šegan wrote: Yesterday at 21:54, Andrew Sobala wrote: On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 20:42 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: On Mer, 2005-07-13 at 16:27, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: Level 2 - the app is actually written with GTK+. Why does this matter

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-09 Thread Andrew Sobala
On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:10 +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: It has not been tested it was too soon to test. Why are people so afraid of gtk+ 2.7 without even trying it? It really is quite stable now. I think it's because in these enlightened times, people use the GNOME stack that

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-08 Thread Andrew Sobala
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 09:09 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: So, yeah, I'm pretty strongly against this, though I'm open to persuasion. aolMe too/aol, for all the reasons Luis listed. I remember our r-t discussions basically concluded that we'd made a mistake depending on GTK+ for 2.6. 2.6 had stability

Re: Three Point Zero - Idea Mockups

2005-05-25 Thread Andrew Sobala
On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 21:10 +0100, Mike Hearn wrote: On Wed, 25 May 2005 18:35:43 +0200, Markus Bertheau wrote: Can the responsible person create [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing list discussion about GNOME 2 can happen there then. I'd suggest gnome-bluesky-list, that way all the free thinking