Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-29 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
Hey, On 6/28/08, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this all getting a bit off topic I guess :) I just wanted to point out two things that might motivate developers (ego boosts and personal profit) and

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-29 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Diego Escalante Urrelo schrieb: Hey, On 6/28/08, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this all getting a bit off topic I guess :) I just wanted to point out two things that might motivate developers (ego

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-29 Thread natan yellin
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Sebastian Pölsterl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diego Escalante Urrelo schrieb: Hey, On 6/28/08, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this all getting a bit off topic I

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-29 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
natan yellin schrieb: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Sebastian Pölsterl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diego Escalante Urrelo schrieb: Hey, On 6/28/08, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this all getting a

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-29 Thread natan yellin
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Sebastian Pölsterl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: natan yellin schrieb: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Sebastian Pölsterl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diego Escalante Urrelo schrieb: Hey, On 6/28/08, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-29 Thread Anders Feder
søn, 29 06 2008 kl. 02:33 -0500, skrev Diego Escalante Urrelo: What if we hack a twitter like thing for GNOME where we can drop a line about what are we doing now or we did this week in GNOME, or maybe just a random thought. I think this is a cool idea, especially if developers would also drop

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-29 Thread Jens Granseuer
On 29.06.2008 14:32, Anders Feder wrote: søn, 29 06 2008 kl. 02:33 -0500, skrev Diego Escalante Urrelo: What if we hack a twitter like thing for GNOME where we can drop a line about what are we doing now or we did this week in GNOME, or maybe just a random thought. I think this is a cool

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-29 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
On 6/29/08, Jens Granseuer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29.06.2008 14:32, Anders Feder wrote: søn, 29 06 2008 kl. 02:33 -0500, skrev Diego Escalante Urrelo: What if we hack a twitter like thing for GNOME where we can drop a line about what are we doing now or we did this week in GNOME, or

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-29 Thread Anders Feder
søn, 29 06 2008 kl. 12:21 -0500, skrev Diego Escalante Urrelo: It seems to me you're asking for someone to post Gnome IRC channel logs... Well there's a bunch of reasons why twitter is twitter and irc is irc. a bunch of good reasons Also I don't think the GNOME IRC channels are

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-28 Thread Thomas H.P. Andersen
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi ho. Hi Dave, Well, let's not rule out that I could be a complete idiot and have totally misunderstood the process of job screening/interviewing :) Maybe it's also different from area to area. I don't know. Either way I

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread Thomas H.P. Andersen
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 12:27 +0300, natan yellin wrote: 1. Host an annual developer awards contest. Apple does it, and there's really no reason why we shouldn't as well. The system would have to be adapted a bit, but it _is_

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread natan yellin
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 12:27 +0300, natan yellin wrote: 1. Host an annual developer awards contest. Apple does it, and there's really no

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread natan yellin
One thing I'd like to add on to my last reply: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM, natan yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-24 at

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread Thomas H.P. Andersen
That's a bit of an exaggeration, but there is something to what Leslie said. Personally, I felt that in the case of GHOP, the grand prize was more important to most people than the money or the t-shirt. Well, maybe. I was not part of it. I do remember her saying that some students who did not

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread Who
2008/6/27 natan yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing I'd like to add on to my last reply: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM, natan yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Rodrigo Moya

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread natan yellin
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Who [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/27 natan yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing I'd like to add on to my last reply: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM, natan yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread natan yellin
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:03 PM, natan yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a bit of an exaggeration, but there is something to what Leslie said. Personally, I felt that in the case of GHOP, the grand prize

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread natan yellin
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Marko Anastasov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:03 PM, natan yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Thomas H.P. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a bit of an exaggeration, but there is something to

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread Thomas H.P. Andersen
Hej hej Thomas!, Hej Andre :) and I would like to be able to document that at a job interview. it's all open source, so your contributions are public. you can link to them in your CV. you have statistic pages in gnome bugzilla, you have wikipages (with static links and fake beards *g*),

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread Dave Neary
Hi ho. Thomas H.P. Andersen wrote: I guess maybe the job interviewing culture varies from place to place but I don't expect a job application screener / job interviewer to actually spend the time to go online and look at all these things. Funny... that's the first thing I expect people to

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
On 6/27/08, Andre Klapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hej hej Thomas!, Am Freitag, den 27.06.2008, 14:16 +0200 schrieb Thomas H.P. Andersen: Sorry, I wasn't being clear. I should have told you my position and motivation for this. I'm about to start the last year of my master and will

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 12:21 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Yeah, all those sites are there, but you are thinking in this-century-enabled people. It's not a work only thing also, some people might be happy to hang it on the wall. Maybe it's a bit of a corner case, but the two times I

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-27 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
On 6/27/08, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 12:21 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Yeah, all those sites are there, but you are thinking in this-century-enabled people. It's not a work only thing also, some people might be happy to hang it on the

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-25 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 12:27 +0300, natan yellin wrote: 1. Host an annual developer awards contest. Apple does it, and there's really no reason why we shouldn't as well. The system would have to be adapted a bit, but it _is_ doable. Like it or not, shiny prizes and recognition help attract

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-24 Thread natan yellin
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Brian Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason: We need to tap in to the wave of energy generated by the The Thread on Planet Gnome. Already, it's apparent that the fervor that surrounded it has started to dwindle. A ton of interesting ideas were thrown out

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-23 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:14 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: [snip] there's a bug open against Iagno in which a non-native English speaker has re-written the entire game from the ground-up adding multi-player; the diff is 4,000 lines. I really like where it's going but unfortunately, as

Discussions on Pgo was: Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-23 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
I have thought about this for a while... This is the first thread about decadence in gnome on desktop-devel, while the topic has been discussed on planet.gnome.org for quite some time. It seems to me that pgo is in a way usurping the mailinglist which have become rather boring. Not much is posted

Re: Discussions on Pgo was: Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-23 Thread natan yellin
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/23 BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pgo is good for getting to know the daily lives of gnome hackers and stuff. But it shouldn't act as a general debating board. That's what mailing lists are for. I'd like

Re: Discussions on Pgo was: Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-23 Thread Anders Feder
I seem to remember a time when there was an actual journalistic team specifically editting and publishing summaries of what had been posted within the community in the past week/month. What happened to that effort? I suppose the volunteer editor(s) became occupied elsewhere or something? man, 23

Re: Discussions on Pgo was: Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-23 Thread natan yellin
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Anders Feder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to remember a time when there was an actual journalistic team specifically editting and publishing summaries of what had been posted within the community in the past week/month. What happened to that effort? I

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-23 Thread Brian Cameron
Jason: We need to tap in to the wave of energy generated by the The Thread on Planet Gnome. Already, it's apparent that the fervor that surrounded it has started to dwindle. A ton of interesting ideas were thrown out and lot of belly-aching about no one taking responsibility for making it

Re: Discussions on Pgo was: Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-23 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 09:24:48PM +0200, Anders Feder wrote: I seem to remember a time when there was an actual journalistic team specifically editting and publishing summaries of what had been posted within the community in the past week/month. What happened to that effort? I suppose the

Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Jason D. Clinton
I know that a lot of discussion around this topic will be taking place (in smoke filled rooms) at GUADEC but for those of us who can't afford to make the trip, some of this conversation needs to be had here on this mailing list (and pointedly not on foundation-list on which many developers are not

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:57 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: 2. The Giant Rift in the Gnome community over Mono has to end. I hate Mono as much as the next guy but it's quite apparent now that some really cool stuff with financial backing from Big Linux Distributor is not going away: Gnome Main

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, 2008/6/21 Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In my opinion, whatever The Next-Gen Gnome is, it isn't going to happen until we really, really have a deep maintenance cycle going on here. That means fixing a Handful of Giant Warts on our maintenance process: I bet the next-gen gnome will

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2008/6/21 Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I know that a lot of discussion around this topic will be taking place (in smoke filled rooms) at GUADEC but for those of us who can't afford to make the trip, some of this conversation needs to be had here on this mailing list (and pointedly not

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Luis Villa
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 2008/6/21 Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In my opinion, whatever The Next-Gen Gnome is, it isn't going to happen until we really, really have a deep maintenance cycle going on here. That means fixing a

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Hubert Figuiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:57 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: 2. The Giant Rift in the Gnome community over Mono has to end. I hate Mono as much as the next guy but it's quite apparent now that some really cool stuff

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Alberto Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/21 Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And there's a discussion about it already, there's even a BoF at GUADEC around the topic. PGO is the wrong place for that discussion and as I said in the first sentence of my

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Cody Russell
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:47 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: I don't see what Gnome Main Menu is doing in your anti-Mono rant. Or maybe you are and editing contributor of BoycottNovell.com and decided to spread the misinformation here where people

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Cody Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:47 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: I don't see what Gnome Main Menu is doing in your anti-Mono rant. Or maybe you are and editing contributor of BoycottNovell.com

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
Hey, On 6/21/08, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that a lot of discussion around this topic will be taking place (in smoke filled rooms) at GUADEC but for those of us who can't afford to make the trip, some of this conversation needs to be had here on this mailing list (and

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 14:26 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: I can see how it could be taken that way. I also see now that Beagle has become an optional dependency of gnome-main-menu. Apologies for the confusion. Oh no. Not that uninformed libbeagle rant again. libbeagle NEVER bring Mono as a

Fwd: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread natan yellin
Sorry, I accidentally replied off-list. -- Forwarded message -- From: natan yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Need Leadership To: Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat

Fwd: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread natan yellin
-- Forwarded message -- From: Hubert Figuiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:34 PM Subject: Re: Need Leadership To: natan yellin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Even if you interpret that as an anti-Mono rant, he still has a point with the rest of his email. The discussion

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/21 Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In my opinion, whatever The Next-Gen Gnome is, it isn't going to happen until we really, really have a deep maintenance cycle going on here. That means fixing a Handful

Re: Need Leadership

2008-06-21 Thread Anders Feder
lør, 21 06 2008 kl. 11:33 -0700, skrev Luis Villa: +1. This is not a gigantic company- you don't have to persuade the management to get permission to innovate. You have the code, and potentially you have the idea. So JFDI. If it is worthwhile, more people will come. That's a cool acronym,