Re: Just change release date (Was Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21)

2008-02-12 Thread Kjartan Maraas
ti., 12.02.2008 kl. 16.32 +0100, skrev Andre Klapper: Am Dienstag, den 12.02.2008, 17:11 +0200 schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: So I suggest - delay the release. Delay Ubuntu LTS. Delay also other distro releases. Why? Because not release date matters. What matters here is a _product_. It should

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 12.02.2008, 19:58 +0200 schrieb Kalle Vahlman: I suggest people either convert to doing the ports camp (yes I'm looking at the list[1] for something within my power to port), to testing the ports camp or at least stop acting like gio already didn't make it. just to avoid

Re: Just change release date (Was Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21)

2008-02-12 Thread Matteo Settenvini
I use ftp:// on Nautilus daily to connect to six-to-seven different FTP servers on a GNOME 2.20 workstation at work. It's a little bit shaky, but usable. Now on GNOME 2.21.x at home, I use lftp on a terminal, 'cause I don't fear typing :-). However there are quite a lot of people out there

Re: Just change release date (Was Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21)

2008-02-12 Thread Mattias Bengtsson
On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 01:26 +0100, Matteo Settenvini wrote: Moreover, a regression is a regression, and should be prioritized. Btw, how much useful is having WebDAV and ObexFTP in before normal FTP support? No idea what is used the most or anything. But i use ObexFTP daily at work transfering

Re: Just change release date (Was Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21)

2008-02-12 Thread Rob Taylor
Reinout van Schouwen wrote: Op dinsdag 12-02-2008 om 13:30 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Shaun McCance: I've used it for grabbing tarballs from ftp.gnome.org. Unfortunately, it's not as useful as it could be, since the gnome-vfs ftp backend doesn't follow symlinks. So if you try to use

Re: Just change release date (Was Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21)

2008-02-12 Thread Reinout van Schouwen
Op dinsdag 12-02-2008 om 13:30 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Shaun McCance: I've used it for grabbing tarballs from ftp.gnome.org. Unfortunately, it's not as useful as it could be, since the gnome-vfs ftp backend doesn't follow symlinks. So if you try to use Nautilus to grab all the

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/2/12, Andre Klapper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Dienstag, den 12.02.2008, 19:58 +0200 schrieb Kalle Vahlman: I suggest people either convert to doing the ports camp (yes I'm looking at the list[1] for something within my power to port), to testing the ports camp or at least stop acting like

Re: Just change release date (Was Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21)

2008-02-12 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 19:20 +0100, Kjartan Maraas wrote: ti., 12.02.2008 kl. 16.32 +0100, skrev Andre Klapper: Am Dienstag, den 12.02.2008, 17:11 +0200 schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: So I suggest - delay the release. Delay Ubuntu LTS. Delay also other distro releases. Why? Because not release

Re: Sound Theme/Naming Specifications proposal

2008-02-12 Thread Karl Lattimer
Hi, I propose here a Sound Theme Specification on fdo. It is based heavily on the Icon Theme Specification and still in planning/requirements-gathering stage. You should be able to read it via yelp: git clone git://git.infradead.org/users/elmarco/sound-theme-spec.git yelp

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Luis Villa
On Feb 12, 2008 12:58 PM, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's people determined to make this work and working hard to do that, let's rather support them than make them feel rejected. That was absolutely not my intent; if the problem is as bad as was originally implied (that the .0

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/2/12, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 12, 2008 9:24 AM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:13:45PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: I agree. We shouldn'd discard the possibility of either postponing the gvfs-based Nautilus or delaying the .0 release if

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 11:37 -0300, Jonh Wendell wrote: Em Ter, 2008-02-12 às 16:13 +0200, Lucas Rocha escreveu: 2008/2/12, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Luis Villa
On Feb 12, 2008 11:15 AM, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 10:01 AM, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 16:13 +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: I can't say I'm happy about something like that though, since I spent the last 1.5 years or so

Re: Just change release date (Was Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21)

2008-02-12 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 12.02.2008, 17:11 +0200 schrieb Peteris Krisjanis: So I suggest - delay the release. Delay Ubuntu LTS. Delay also other distro releases. Why? Because not release date matters. What matters here is a _product_. It should be usable, it should be documented, it is *definitely*

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 16:13 +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: But agreed that the right thing to do is to delay the release rather than release a .0 with substantial regressions (as I ranted on a bit at my blog and on gnome-bugsquad.) I agree. We shouldn'd discard the possibility of either

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 15:38 +0100, Alexander Larsson wrote: I'm not sold on the fact that there are many important regressions. The main regressions, in my mind, are the ftp backend, the network backend and the connect dialog. There might be some other regressions, but I've not noticed

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 09:28:21AM -0500, Luis Villa wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 9:24 AM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:13:45PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: I agree. We shouldn'd discard the possibility of either postponing the gvfs-based Nautilus or delaying

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Jonh Wendell
Em Ter, 2008-02-12 às 16:13 +0200, Lucas Rocha escreveu: Hi, 2008/2/12, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will be ready for GNOME 2.22 without regressions.

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:13:45PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: I agree. We shouldn'd discard the possibility of either postponing the gvfs-based Nautilus or delaying the .0 release if needed. Obviously, releasing Nautilus with too many or some big regressions is not a good plan. More for

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mardi 12 février 2008, à 16:13 +0200, Lucas Rocha a écrit : Hi, 2008/2/12, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will be ready for GNOME 2.22 without

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi, 2008/2/12, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will be ready for GNOME 2.22 without regressions. Why aren't we talking about punting it until GNOME 2.23/24?

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Luis Villa
On Feb 12, 2008 8:53 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 08:42 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will be ready for GNOME 2.22 without

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 08:42 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will be ready for GNOME 2.22 without regressions. Why aren't we talking about punting it until GNOME

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 11:20 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 11:15 AM, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2008 10:01 AM, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 16:13 +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: I can't say I'm happy about something like

Sound Theme/Naming Specifications proposal

2008-02-12 Thread Marc-André Lureau
Hi, I propose here a Sound Theme Specification on fdo. It is based heavily on the Icon Theme Specification and still in planning/requirements-gathering stage. You should be able to read it via yelp: git clone git://git.infradead.org/users/elmarco/sound-theme-spec.git yelp

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 12.02.2008, 09:28 -0500 schrieb Luis Villa: On Feb 12, 2008 9:24 AM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:13:45PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: I agree. We shouldn'd discard the possibility of either postponing the gvfs-based Nautilus or delaying

Just change release date (Was Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21)

2008-02-12 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
Yeah, i also don't see the regressions as major. I mean, its not like gnome-vfs is bugfree. The reason we're going from it is because its problematic. I have to disgraee. I think they are. The end user is more likely to see these regression than any bug or design issue that gnome-vfs has.

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi Vincent and Alex, 2008/2/12, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le mardi 12 février 2008, à 16:13 +0200, Lucas Rocha a écrit : Hi, 2008/2/12, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Luis Villa
On Feb 12, 2008 8:36 AM, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will be ready for GNOME 2.22 without regressions. Why aren't we talking about punting it until GNOME 2.23/24? We've never allowed this kind of thing before -

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 15:22 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: At this point, it's not just about nautilus. Other modules were ported to gio... Reverting, while doable, would be painful. I'm not sold on the fact that there are many important regressions. The main regressions, in my mind, are the

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Luis Villa
On Feb 12, 2008 9:24 AM, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 04:13:45PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: I agree. We shouldn'd discard the possibility of either postponing the gvfs-based Nautilus or delaying the .0 release if needed. Obviously, releasing Nautilus with too

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Murray Cumming
Despite all the hard work, it doesn't look like the new Nautilus will be ready for GNOME 2.22 without regressions. Why aren't we talking about punting it until GNOME 2.23/24? We've never allowed this kind of thing before - punting would be entirely normal. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule (Draft)

2008-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 01:59:58PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentythree Note that: * it is 28 weeks instead of 26. 1 additional week as 2.20 is 25, another was needed to align with GUADEC (to prevent announcement periods during GUADEC or releasing while

Re: GNOME Showstopper Review.

2008-02-12 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 10:30 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: GVFS NAUTILUS There are still a bunch

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 24 janvier 2008, à 10:25 +0100, Alexander Larsson a écrit : On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 17:48 +0100, Reinout van Schouwen wrote: I do not like having to write the address in the location bar to have it accessible on the Desktop Try this: * open smb://network/resource

Re: GNOME 2.23 Schedule (Draft)

2008-02-12 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi, 2008/2/12, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 01:59:58PM +0200, Lucas Rocha wrote: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentythree Note that: * it is 28 weeks instead of 26. 1 additional week as 2.20 is 25, another was needed to align with GUADEC (to prevent

Re: State of gvfs in Gnome 2.21

2008-02-12 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 14:27 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: However, as cosimo noticed, this somewhat overlaps with what bookmarks can be used for too. If you put a bookmark to a network location you can use that to easily mount the network mount too... Of course, then when its mounted it