Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

James Livingston schrieb: > As I haven't really contributed anything to GNOME in a year or so, I've > been keeping out of the debate, but: > > On 07/01/2009, at 9:00 AM, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: >> Welcome to the open source world. Generally open source developers are >> not limited to GN

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

As I haven't really contributed anything to GNOME in a year or so, I've been keeping out of the debate, but: On 07/01/2009, at 9:00 AM, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Welcome to the open source world. Generally open source developers are not limited to GNOME, and they eventually learn 2-3

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 11:09:27AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 17:21 +0900, James Henstridge a écrit : > > I'd hope that any DVCS would get a larger user base than current list > > of active Subversion committers: anyone who contributes patches via > > mailing lists

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On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:01 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > > To be honest, > > I really wonder if something else would happen that I'd qualify as a > > good switch. > > How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to > help in the move, each volunteer promising at least

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On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:30 +, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > 2009/1/6 Alexander Larsson : > > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:01 +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > >> > From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, > >> > who > >> > proposed

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2009/1/6 Alexander Larsson : > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:01 +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >> > From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who >> > proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve >> >

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Loïc Minier wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >> From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who >> proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve >> plugin for the bzr repo server. > > I wonder whether you received inter

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:01 +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who > > proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve > > plugin for the bzr repo server. >

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On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who > proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve > plugin for the bzr repo server. I wonder whether you received interesting ideas in the survey i

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 11:28 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 13:10 +1100, Andrew Cowie a écrit : > > Regardless, GNOME is not "switching" to anything. If GNOME > > infrastructure is going to offer Git hosting, that's lovely for people > > who chose to use Git as their ver

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 03:46 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > So, here is what I'm bringing to the table: I'm volunteering to work > with > interested fd.o admins and other volunteers to switch GNOME to git. I > need to > first go check to see if I can secure enough time to lead this, and if > I ca

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On 01/06/2009 02:09 AM, Ruben Vermeersch wrote: What if this user publishes his branch using bzr (which works fine with the GNOME servers). How will I merge this branch, if I'm using git? It looks to me that with the git+bzr proposal, we're being forced to learn both systems anyway. We can cont

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-06 klockan 08:21 skrev Max Kanat-Alexander: > Git really has no API, you just run the commands and get the output. > *Subversion* actually had the best API when I was writing VCI, FWIW. > Git and CVS had the worst API, in terms of integration. There may be > better modules available now, th

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > Dave Neary wrote: >> This is only true if you don't believe that future contributions to the >> GNOME base are dependent of the RCS we decide to host on gnome.org >> (should we decide to host only one). > > You are of course right. I probably should also have added

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009/1/6 Josselin Mouette : > Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 17:21 +0900, James Henstridge a écrit : >> I'd hope that any DVCS would get a larger user base than current list >> of active Subversion committers: anyone who contributes patches via >> mailing lists or bugzilla could use a DVCS the same way

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Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >> What I told >> you was that because the switch does not affect those other people. Yes, if >> your contributors are NOT committing to GNOME SVN, their opinions doesn't >> matter. Neither does my mom's opinion matter in this case. Nothing wro

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 05:18 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > That’s foolish. We are certainly not going to clone 208 repositories for > > all GNOME packages we maintain. Especially when the tools to manage > > Debian packages with DVCSes are still inferior to thos

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 13:10 +1100, Andrew Cowie a écrit : > Regardless, GNOME is not "switching" to anything. If GNOME > infrastructure is going to offer Git hosting, that's lovely for people > who chose to use Git as their version control system. {shrug} fine. If > GNOME infrastructure concur

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > What I told > you was that because the switch does not affect those other people. Yes, if > your contributors are NOT committing to GNOME SVN, their opinions doesn't > matter. Neither does my mom's opinion matter in this case. Nothing wrong > with that. This is onl

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 17:21 +0900, James Henstridge a écrit : >> I'd hope that any DVCS would get a larger user base than current list >> of active Subversion committers: anyone who contributes patches via >> mailing lists or bugzilla could use a DVCS the same way as

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 11:09:36AM +0100, Ruben Vermeersch wrote: > So don't tell us it's equivalent. It's not. And let's not forget the I did not see anyone saying that. Anyway, I retract my proposal. This isn't fun anymore. -- Regards, Olav ___ desk

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On di, 2009-01-06 at 04:53 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > Ali Sabil wrote: > > > Concerning the asserted flaws in John's proposal, the only valid point, > > is that it will need testing as the implementation is not very mature > > yet, > > And that's a HUGE issue, mind you. Here's another prob

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 17:21 +0900, James Henstridge a écrit : > I'd hope that any DVCS would get a larger user base than current list > of active Subversion committers: anyone who contributes patches via > mailing lists or bugzilla could use a DVCS the same way as a core > developer. The same

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Ali Sabil wrote: > Concerning the asserted flaws in John's proposal, the only valid point, > is that it will need testing as the implementation is not very mature > yet, And that's a HUGE issue, mind you. behdad ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desk

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 16:41 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: > > > > Heh, thanks a lot. This looks nice. Nicer than the one in gnulib that > Rui Tiago pointed out. Although I must say not as nice as my 'gnulog' > bazaar log formatter plugin.. ;-) But I guess good enough that I'd be > c

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

> From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who > proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve > plugin for the bzr repo server. I think many people pointed out the major > flaws in that scenario. I want to stress that we should not make

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Andrew Cowie wrote: > On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 22:46 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >> GNOME contributors with an SVN account who had an SSH key installed on >> their account were invited to fill in the survey. > > [It is NOT my intention to get all negative here; I understand - and > accept - that pr

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi everyone, Well, let me first say that I'm a bit disappointed at where this thread has gone so far. Some of the words passed around we could do without starting a brand new year. I want to encourage everyone to stay on topic, so we can actually do something. Now, I didn't say "so we can make

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Elijah Newren wrote: >> It's a shame that hackers who contribute to GNOME projects which don't >> use svn.gnome.org were excluded. >> >>(I was told their opinions didn't matter. {shrug} that's fine, >>so long as nobody tries to represent this survey

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

So, I'm not a GNOME contributor, but I am the author of VCI, a Perl module that interacts with version control systems (currently CVS, Svn, Hg, Git, and Bzr), and so I wanted to chime in a bit on this thread. The first thing to understand is that the git server protocol is very sim

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:40:18 -0500 David Zeuthen wrote: > Then what happens when a new version of git with a new feature, > incompatible with the git-serve kludge, is released? I don't know if you've talked to the git developers, but they're very firmly against adding any new features to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi, [Disclaimer: I wasn't involved in the construction or running of the survey, other than the analysis you saw plus some late feedback on the survey questions (I think my feedback was merely to suggest the "other" answer for contributor types.)] 2009/1/5 Andrew Cowie : > On Sat, 2009-01-03 at

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 22:46 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > GNOME contributors with an SVN account who had an SSH key installed on > their account were invited to fill in the survey. [It is NOT my intention to get all negative here; I understand - and accept - that projects make decisions and not

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Mathias Hasselmann wrote: > Am I missing something? Make build.gnome.org work with the new setup; I plan to write some requirements (nothing fancy, and stuffs that will most probably be also required elsewhere). There may also be some other infrastructure systems that would require some porting

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On ma, 2009-01-05 at 12:32 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > On 1/5/09, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > > > 6. Check all the documentation stuff on live.gnome.org that needs to be > > updated. That is really important because not everybody is familiar with > > git. There should also be a short i

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On 1/5/09, Johannes Schmid wrote: > > 6. Check all the documentation stuff on live.gnome.org that needs to be > updated. That is really important because not everybody is familiar with > git. There should also be a short introduction to git somewhere on the > wiki. And some announcements should

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:34:47PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: >> On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:18 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: >> > I am not evading. Stop trying to make this personal. I don't care about >> > CoC, I don't like you're talking to me. >

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the public: > > > > > > http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/dvcs-survey/ > > > > > > Elijah Newren did an initial analysis of the data. His analysis also > > > includes > > > the survey questions and answers. Find it at: > > > > &

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On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:34:47PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:18 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > > I am not evading. Stop trying to make this personal. I don't care about > > CoC, I don't like you're talking to me. > > Please. Stop trying to make this look like it's person

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Hi! Am Montag, den 05.01.2009, 16:23 +0100 schrieb Mathias Hasselmann: > First of all I want to thank Behdad and the participants of the survey > for giving us numbers. > > Second I want to complain about the direction this discussion takes. > No idea why that many people become personal. This is

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Le lundi 05 janvier 2009 à 16:19 +0100, Frederic Peters a écrit : > Olav announced it on October 29th: > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/devel-announce-list/2008-October/msg4.html D’uh, I have missed that. Time to update my checkouts now… -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lowe

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:00:52AM -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: > I'd like to help with another path forward, namely native git > repositories since I believe that is what most of the community wants. > As you said, it isn't clear how it could work for non-sysadmins to > come up with clear proposal

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Josselin Mouette wrote: > BTW, do we have the resources to migrate the repository to the SVN 1.5 > format? It looks like, independently from other decisions, a quick and > easy way to improve the situation – and to improve it right now, not in > 2010. Olav announced it on October 29th: http://

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First of all I want to thank Behdad and the participants of the survey for giving us numbers. Second I want to complain about the direction this discussion takes. No idea why that many people become personal. This is really unpleasant. Third of all: What so complicated about this migration? As fa

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Le lundi 05 janvier 2009 à 09:51 -0500, Dan Winship a écrit : > It seems pretty clear that the git-over-bzr solution doesn't make the > git users any happier than git-over-svn does, so let's not pretend that > it's any different from doing just bzr. So, given that we seem to have > sysadmin resourc

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > 2009/1/5 Ali Sabil : > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > >> > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe > tha

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > [0] I'm reasonably sure it has some. not as the one proposed to avoid > pissing off somebody somewhere because we want to be inclusive -- no, > lemme rephrase that: we are *fucking afraid of committment*. seriously: > an abstraction over DVCS? what have we become? are we *e

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Ali Sabil a écrit : That's not what John's proposal is about ! John wants to use the bzr format as a repository format, and add a git-serve plugin to bzr to be able to "talk" to the git clients. In other words, you will be able to access the same data using either bzr, git or hg. Well, if peopl

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Hi, On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > Anyway, I'd rather add John Carr to the sysadmin team. I plan to make a > proposal to switch GNOME to a DVCS where Git works using Johns > suggestion. Then other sysadmins[1] can suggest whatever proposal they > want. These proposals can b

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009/1/5 Ali Sabil : > > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: >> > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that >> > the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That i

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2009/1/5 Josselin Mouette : > Le lundi 05 janvier 2009 à 00:04 +0100, Johannes Schmid a écrit : >> I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes >> a system that can serve all possible (D)VCS clients that's fine but this >> won't happen tommorow > > No, it already happened

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Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> That isn't a contest. It is a survey. > > Please don't read more in to my email than I intended. There's no need > to get defensive. > > >>> It >>>

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d, and 579 filled in the survey. The survey results are now > > available to the public: > > > > http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/dvcs-survey/ > > > > Elijah Newren did an initial analysis of the data. His analysis also > > includes > > the survey questions a

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On 01/04/2009 05:10 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:40 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:33 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that t

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009 à 23:44 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : > I'd agree if you could not properly see a project's commit history on a > web interface, like with viewvc for svn, but since you can: > > http://git.clutter-project.org/cgit.cgi?url=clutter/log/ > > your point is moot. Sorr

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On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:41 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009 à 15:40 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a > écrit : > > On a side note here, I recalled being against dropping ChangeLogs in > > projects in favour of commit messages. But now I love it and I realize > > that my

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009/1/5 Josselin Mouette : > Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009 à 15:40 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a > écrit : >> On a side note here, I recalled being against dropping ChangeLogs in >> projects in favour of commit messages. But now I love it and I realize >> that my main problem was that with SVN I *

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009 à 15:40 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a écrit : > On a side note here, I recalled being against dropping ChangeLogs in > projects in favour of commit messages. But now I love it and I realize > that my main problem was that with SVN I *needed* the ChangeLog since > that

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 00:18 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > I am not evading. Stop trying to make this personal. I don't care about > CoC, I don't like you're talking to me. Please. Stop trying to make this look like it's personal and like I'm assaulting you. Because I didn't. And I resent the accusa

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Le lundi 05 janvier 2009 à 00:04 +0100, Johannes Schmid a écrit : > I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes > a system that can serve all possible (D)VCS clients that's fine but this > won't happen tommorow No, it already happened and it is called Subversion. This i

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On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 06:05:30PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a > > > terrible idea? > > > > You expe

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On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:40 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:33 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that > > > the points I made (that you didn't

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 12:04:30AM +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: > Hi! > > > It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > > not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of > > gnome. > > I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someo

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On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a > > terrible idea? > > You expect me to reply to this??!? I expected you to reply to the other three mail

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Hi! > It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of > gnome. I totally agree here! This is simply a problem of QA. If someone writes a system that can serve all possible (D)VCS clients that's fine but t

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On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:40:18PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Is it *really* so hard to understand that this whole git-serve is a > terrible idea? You expect me to reply to this??!? -- Regards, Olav ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel

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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that > > the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's > > crazy to officially want

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:37:05PM +0100, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > >> Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that > >> the points I made (that you d

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On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:33 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that > > the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's > > crazy to officially want

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: >> Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that >> the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's >> crazy to officially want to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 05:29:02PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > Uh, but that's exactly how I understood the proposal and I believe that > the points I made (that you didn't respond to) still stands: That it's > crazy to officially want to support git, bzr and hg *at* the same time > *from* the sam

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On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:20 +0100, Ali Sabil wrote: > First, it only makes it much harder for users to grasp; we're > going to > end up with some projects have l.g.o pages / README files / > mailing list > messages saying "use bzr to check out this branch" an

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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Robin Sonefors wrote: > On sön, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti > wrote: > > > Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > > > > > >> It seems pretty clear to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:16 +0100, Robin Sonefors wrote: > > How much does it consume if it's a svn checkout? I heard (don't > know > > if it's true or not) git repo usually takes less diskspace then svn > > checkout. This page seems to support this claim: > > A complete git repo is usually smal

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David Zeuthen wrote: > I don't find this answer compelling. At all. It also doesn't answer the > question. It's not unlikely that a future git repo format is > fundamentally incompatible with current or future bzr repo formats. Just like I noted it was just an understanding of John's proposal; be

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:05 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 22:47 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: > > Probably just like bzr already went through several repository formats > > and allowed easy upgrades (just like Subversion repository format > > changed and it didn't cause any pr

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthias Clasen schrieb: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: >> On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: >>> As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation >>> will support you, and support you well

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On sön, 2009-01-04 at 23:58 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > > > >> It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > >> not suitable as a l

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > bzr allows lightweight checkouts [1]. What about git? > > Yes, it does. This is not an issue. I think non-git users already knows that git can do everything™, but they would learn about git ways faster if you poi

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Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 23.58 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) ha scritto: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > > Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > > > >> It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > >> not s

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On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 22:47 +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: > Probably just like bzr already went through several repository formats > and allowed easy upgrades (just like Subversion repository format > changed and it didn't cause any problem for users). I don't think > there is a problem here. I d

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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > >> It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is >> not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of >> gnome. > > BTW, once

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On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > People using JHBuild to develop one project against latest code or > simply testing the whole desktop don't need the full history for all > GNOME Desktop modules > > bzr allows lightweight checkouts [1]. What about git? git-clone has a --dep

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote: > bzr allows lightweight checkouts [1]. What about git? Yes, it does. This is not an issue. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desk

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Il giorno dom, 04/01/2009 alle 16.11 -0500, Matthias Clasen ha scritto: > It seems pretty clear to me that any 'homegrown' system like this is > not suitable as a longterm, stable solution for a project the size of > gnome. BTW, once switched to DVCS, how much disk space I should have in order to

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: > > As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation > > will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any > > talk of my idea is not Git vs Bazaar, its talk of one way we can move >

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> I can commit that much time as long as there's clear delegation of >> work by--preferably--the sysadmin team. I don't want to sit on a >> committee that does a lot of deciding and no actual doing. > > What do you mean with delegation? > > Whic

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 23:01 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to > help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3 > hours is a very small amount of time but I am hoping that we'll be > able to gather at least

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 03:06:22PM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) > wrote: > > How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to > > help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3 > > hours is a very sm

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:01:13PM +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >> Moving will not be easy, obviously. But

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009/1/4 Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro : > Just in case I am forced to switch to git in the future (being open > minded here, although I prefer bazaar), does someone have any advice how > to generate a nice GNU style ChangeLog (like what emacs produces) from > git commit logs? I know that some project

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: >> As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation >> will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any >> talk of my idea is not Git vs Bazaar, its

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009/1/4 Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro : > Just in case I am forced to switch to git in the future (being open > minded here, although I prefer bazaar), does someone have any advice how > to generate a nice GNU style ChangeLog (like what emacs produces) from > git commit logs? I know that some project

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > How about we set-up a task-force of volunteers who would want to > help in the move, each volunteer promising at least 3 hours a week? 3 > hours is a very small amount of time but I am hoping that we'll be > able to gather at least 10

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Hi! On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 09:40:33AM -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> Moving will not be easy, obviously. But doing it John's way will be, >> in my technical analysis, an order of magn

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 17:48 +, John Carr wrote: > As bkor has stated, there are lots of Git users so any implementation > will support you, and support you well. That is a requirement. So any > talk of my idea is not Git vs Bazaar, its talk of one way we can move > forward. So i dont consider i

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

2009-01-04 klockan 15:10 skrev Jason D. Clinton: > I'd like to point out that--of the 15 people who regularly use git and > bzr--git still won. Two remarks. First remark: In the survey I answered that I do not really know much about git, and that I do not use it often. This has a reason, which I

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On 1/4/09, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: > > Just in case I am forced to switch to git in the future (being open > minded here, although I prefer bazaar), does someone have any advice how > to generate a nice GNU style ChangeLog (like what emacs produces) from > git commit logs? I know that

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

Newren did an initial analysis of the data. His analysis also includes > the survey questions and answers. Find it at: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/ > > If you analyze the results, please reply to this thread and also leave a > comment

Re: GNOME DVCS Survey Results

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:48 AM, John Carr wrote: > I'm not a complete idiot - if it was going to be a "degraded, > bastardized form" of Git I wouldn't waste my time on it. I suppose I > might be an evil genius stalling for "Bazaar DS9" to be written (sorry > for the very bad joke that probably on

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