Re: ggv/gpdf and evince

2005-06-10 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno gio, 09/06/2005 alle 13.08 -0400, Luis Villa ha scritto: I think there seems to be a very strong consensus that ggv/gpdf should be replaced by evince in 2.12. Does anyone object to me going ahead and removing them from the jhbuild moduleset and adding evince? Wait. There are some

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Jeroen Zwartepoorte
Since everybody is talking about how glitz will eventually speedup drawing operations by using hardware accelerated OpenGL, i built it and then rebuilt cairo so cairo will detect glitz and compile with support for it. How does glitz further integrate into the desktop stack? Can i make gtk+ use

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/9/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/9/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/9/05, Jon K Hellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 14:39 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: If we're talking about performance/stability in the context of whether

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 09:21 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 6/9/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/9/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/9/05, Jon K Hellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 14:39 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: If we're talking about

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen this announced on gtk-devel or here, so: http://gtkperf.sourceforge.net/ Apparently this is a test tool to test gtk performance. Would be great to have someone test 2.7 with it. Went ahead and did it myself.

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 09:40 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 6/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen this announced on gtk-devel or here, so: http://gtkperf.sourceforge.net/ Apparently this is a test

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 15:12 +0200, Jeroen Zwartepoorte wrote: Since everybody is talking about how glitz will eventually speedup drawing operations by using hardware accelerated OpenGL, i built it and then rebuilt cairo so cairo will detect glitz and compile with support for it. How does

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-10 Thread Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 14:47 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 19:00 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: - To be realistic, if GNOME-2.12 is released after GTK+-2.8, most distributors are going to ship using them together. So, the release team could decide to go with 2.6

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 09:47 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 6/10/05, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 09:40 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 6/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen this announced on gtk-devel or here, so:

moving to dbus 0.3x asthe target version for G2.12 [was Re: DBus in G2.12]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
[Moving this off r-t to a broader group that might have more feedback on this :) On 6/10/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, June 10, 2005 15:22, Ross Burton said: I think the release team need to make a statement about what version of DBus is to be used for any code which can

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 19:00 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: - To be realistic, if GNOME-2.12 is released after GTK+-2.8, most distributors are going to ship using them together. So, the release team could decide to go with 2.6 even with

Re: moving to dbus 0.3x asthe target version for G2.12 [was Re: DBus in G2.12]

2005-06-10 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:23 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: [Moving this off r-t to a broader group that might have more feedback on this :) On 6/10/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, June 10, 2005 15:22, Ross Burton said: I think the release team need to make a statement about

Re: moving to dbus 0.3x asthe target version for G2.12 [was Re: DBus in G2.12]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:23 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: [Moving this off r-t to a broader group that might have more feedback on this :) On 6/10/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, June 10, 2005 15:22, Ross Burton

Re: moving to dbus 0.3x asthe target version for G2.12 [was Re: DBus in G2.12]

2005-06-10 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:33 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 6/10/05, John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:23 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: [Moving this off r-t to a broader group that might have more feedback on this :) On 6/10/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-10 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:21 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: But the last time we rushed out a gtk-gnome paired release, and got ourselves locked into the new APIs so that we couldn't back out, the result was that any distro actually paying attention would have noticed that our 'latest stable set'

Re: i18n and GNOME hackers

2005-06-10 Thread Danilo Šegan
Hi Federico, Last Wednesday at 21:02, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: It would be great if you could start a checklist in live.gnome.org of particular APIs which are widely used and upon which people need to set up things like gettext domains. I could certainly use this for the Gnome

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Owen Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:21 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: But the last time we rushed out a gtk-gnome paired release, and got ourselves locked into the new APIs so that we couldn't back out, the result was that any distro actually paying

Re: moving to dbus 0.3x asthe target version for G2.12 [was Re: DBus in G2.12]

2005-06-10 Thread Jan de Groot
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:23 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: [Moving this off r-t to a broader group that might have more feedback on this :) On 6/10/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, June 10, 2005 15:22, Ross Burton said: I think the release team need to make a statement about

gnome-keyring-manager in 2.12

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
Seems to me that gnome-keyring-manager should at a minimum go into meta-gnome-proposed in jhbuild*, and seems (to me) to fill a fairly important need for key management, and should probably be in 2.12. Anyone have any thoughts on this? For reference, it wasn't in 2.8 because of issues addressed

Re: moving to dbus 0.3x asthe target version for G2.12 [was Re: DBus in G2.12]

2005-06-10 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 19:43 +0200, Jan de Groot wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:23 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: [Moving this off r-t to a broader group that might have more feedback on this :) On 6/10/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, June 10, 2005 15:22, Ross Burton

Re: ggv/gpdf and evince

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Kristian Høgsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that I think we should include evince in GNOME, replacing gpdf and ggv. I'm only saying that maybe is better disable by now poppler's cairo backend: this will produce sometimes a less sexy rendering, but it's fast and with

Re: ggv/gpdf and evince

2005-06-10 Thread Jonathan Blandford
Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 6/10/05, Kristian Hgsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With my testing hat on, I couldn't agree more. :) I assume you mean make it the default in the next evince release? Or would you like someone to add configure arguments to the jhbuild moduleset?

Re: ggv/gpdf and evince

2005-06-10 Thread Kristian Høgsberg
Luis Villa wrote: On 6/10/05, Kristian Høgsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that I think we should include evince in GNOME, replacing gpdf and ggv. I'm only saying that maybe is better disable by now poppler's cairo backend: this will produce sometimes a less sexy rendering, but it's

Re: ggv/gpdf and evince

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 10 Jun 2005 15:33:58 -0400, Jonathan Blandford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 6/10/05, Kristian Høgsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With my testing hat on, I couldn't agree more. :) I assume you mean make it the default in the next evince release? Or

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-10 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 13:10 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 6/10/05, Owen Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:21 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: But the last time we rushed out a gtk-gnome paired release, and got ourselves locked into the new APIs so that we couldn't back

Re: moving to dbus 0.3x asthe target version for G2.12 [was Re: DBus in G2.12]

2005-06-10 Thread David Zeuthen
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 19:43 +0200, Jan de Groot wrote: As distribution packager, I already followed the DBUS 0.3x road once, and it went dead because it seems only gnome and freedesktop are picking up the new APIs. How will interoperability with other programs, like for example, KDE look in

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-10 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 17:49 -0400, Morten Welinder wrote: the problem with gtk+/cairo in a stable setting is that it has only seen testing and been designed for hello world. You need to consider something bigger! Thanks for telling me how I designed the gtk+/cairo integration, I had no idea.

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-10 Thread Morten Welinder
Owen, the problem with gtk+/cairo in a stable setting is that it has only seen testing and been designed for hello world. You need to consider something bigger! Try putting 600-1000 pango layouts on the screen at once. GTK+ 2.6 is already not very snappy with that. Then make sure your X