On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 09:53 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le samedi 14 juin 2008 à 09:04 +0200, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit :
[snip]
A IM program
not supporting registration of new IM accounts definitely is not feature
complete yet.
In my opinion it's not essential:
1) Jabber is the only
2008/6/12 Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I hope this will help the adoption of Empathy for GNOME 2.24.
-1
(I haven't said anything during the 2.24 release cycle. I just reviewed the
application as it stands at version 0.23.1 and I believe that it simply is
not ready to be included.
Hello,
Jason D. Clinton wrote:
I hope this will help the adoption of Empathy for GNOME 2.24.
-1
(I haven't said anything during the 2.24 release cycle. I just reviewed the
application as it stands at version 0.23.1 and I believe that it simply is
not ready to be included. Perhaps in
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 17:35 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
(I haven't said anything during the 2.24 release cycle. I just
reviewed the application as it stands at version 0.23.1 and I believe
that it simply is not ready to be included. Perhaps in 2.26.)
Not to be picky but you are already 2
Hello,
Here are news about Empathy. Biggest objections for inclusion were:
- Empathy depends on libmissioncontrol-client which is LGPLv2.1-only: This
situation won't change in time for GNOME 2.24, however this library will be
deprecated probably during the 2.25 cycle in favor of a new spec and
Le jeudi 27 mars 2008 à 11:35 +, Alberto Ruiz a écrit :
Actually, I find a bit scary to find out that a future maintainer is
not careful at all with third party copyright/licensing while moving
code.
Please tell me want your are basing this accusation? I kept GPL licence
and Imendio
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Companies don't like GPL as they have to expose their IP and are
afraid to loose money. If the library is LGPL they can still use the
I would disagree there. Most companies I deal with like the GPL because
it means that
Xavier Claessens wrote:
Ok so I summarize so far here are objections:
2) libempathy and libempathy-gtk are GPL
This is only a problem if we want them in the plateform. Currently it's
proposed for the desktop so it's not a problem yet. It will be a problem
when we want to move them in the
Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Martyn Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Currently there are 22 files which either have or should have my/Gossip
copyright information in libempathy alone. There are 43 source files. So
half of libempathy is not copyright to you to
2008/3/27, Patryk Zawadzki [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So you are basically saying I'm -1 because of relicensing problems
that I'm causing myself? Please point the rest of us to the
discussion where Imendio/Gossip staff gives their reasons against
LGPL.
Do they need to give a reason to choose
Patryk,
Am Donnerstag, den 27.03.2008, 11:18 +0100 schrieb Patryk Zawadzki:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Martyn Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Currently there are 22 files which either have or should have my/Gossip
copyright information in libempathy alone. There are 43 source
27 mar 2008 kl. 11.18 skrev Patryk Zawadzki:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Martyn Russell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Currently there are 22 files which either have or should have my/
Gossip
copyright information in libempathy alone. There are 43 source
files. So
half of
Le jeudi 27 mars 2008 à 09:26 +, Martyn Russell a écrit :
Xavier Claessens wrote:
Ok so I summarize so far here are objections:
2) libempathy and libempathy-gtk are GPL
This is only a problem if we want them in the plateform. Currently it's
proposed for the desktop so it's not a
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 10:37 +, Martyn Russell wrote:
Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
So you are basically saying I'm -1 because of relicensing problems
that I'm causing myself?
Yes, effectively.
As for relicensing problems that I'm causing myself, I am FULLY at
liberty to do this. It
- libempathy/empathy-chatroom.[ch]
Mostly rewritten in empathy, it's not only a property container that
does nothing. empathy-chatroom.c is 361 lines, gossip-chatroom.c is
1144...
sorry for the typo:
s/not only/now only/
Xavier Claessens.
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:37 AM, Martyn Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please point the rest of us to the
discussion where Imendio/Gossip staff gives their reasons against
LGPL.
Google is your friend :)
This was partly discussed on IRC with Xavier IIRC and also covered here:
- libempathy-gtk/empathy-account-widget-jabber.[ch]
- libempathy-gtk/empathy-account-widget-msn.[ch]
*I* wrote those in gossip before the empathy fork. And those files does
not exist in empathy HEAD anymore.
Hum, sorry, it seems I could be wrong on this, looking at bug #358099 it was
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Simon Josefsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some reasons to not use the LGPL for libraries are already well known,
see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html.
Companies don't like GPL as they have to expose their IP and are
afraid to loose money. If the
27 mar 2008 kl. 13.21 skrev Murray Cumming:
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 10:37 +, Martyn Russell wrote:
Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
Hi,
Still I see no actual reasons for Imendio not wanting to relicense its
parts of Empathy to LGPL.
There are several sensible reasons that you _might_ have for
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 11:39 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote:
I'm sorry, I disagree, and I really hate when people react this way.
Sven was not being confrontational.
Not just that message - I responded to that one because it was the most
recent one. Reading the thread, all but one of his
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 15:18 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
The problem is, that Xavier didn't even ask for re-licensing yet.
[snip]
I agree that there should have been a formal request by now.
But they've said that they have no interest in relicensing. Why would he
even ask now? Why can't
Companies don't like GPL as they have to expose their IP and are
afraid to loose money. If the library is LGPL they can still use the
I would disagree there. Most companies I deal with like the GPL because
it means that anything they do provide cannot be ripped off by the
competition - which is
Hello Martyn,
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 10:37 +, Martyn Russell wrote:
Patryk Zawadzki wrote:
...
So you are basically saying I'm -1 because of relicensing problems
that I'm causing myself?
Yes, effectively.
As for relicensing problems that I'm causing myself, I am FULLY at
liberty
Hello Mathias,
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 15:18 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
...
This might sound childish on a first look, but makes a lot of sense:
GNOME takes an exposed position in FOSS world. In that situation you
really do not want to have any copyright violations in your platform
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, den 27.03.2008, 07:17 -0700 schrieb Ethan Osten:
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 11:39 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote:
Saying Missing password security is just being factual, albeit
syntetic. And absolute no-go in the current shape is just pointing
out that lack of
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 21:26 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 12:11 +1100, Andrew Cowie wrote:
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 09:26 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
libmissioncontrol is LGPLv2 only. This is a problem as it prevent Gnome
to ever move to (L)GPLv3.
So what?
Accepting modules before they're feature complete is not a bad idea,
it would actually push some people's motivation to actively implement
the misssing bits.
I have been waiting to see IM as a desktop service for almost two years.
I really wish GNOME could take a leap of faith and throw
On 2008-03-25, 16:20 GMT, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
Currently Pidgin, XChat and XChat-GNOME provide IRC UIs.
All those applications have buddy lists for IRC.
Either you are troll or your definition of buddy list is really
interesting one. xchat* has no such thing whatsoever.
Matej
Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 07:01 -0500, Travis Watkins a écrit :
Did anything ever happen with the license issues for the libraries?
They should be LGPL.
Any they won't be.
Both libempathy and libempathy-gtk use a lot of GPL code from Gossip and
some of the files are not
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008 à 10:25 +, Martyn Russell a écrit :
Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 07:01 -0500, Travis Watkins a écrit :
Did anything ever happen with the license issues for the libraries?
They should be LGPL.
Any they won't be.
Both libempathy and
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:25:25AM +, Martyn Russell wrote:
Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 07:01 -0500, Travis Watkins a écrit :
Did anything ever happen with the license issues for the libraries?
They should be LGPL.
Any they won't be.
Both libempathy and
It is not a problem of freedom but a problem of license compatibility.
LGPLv2-only is NOT compatible with v3.
Let's not make mistakes and anticipate. The move to (L)GPLv3 is
unavoidable, even though it is not instant.
Then it's not an issue; it's a preference.
Are you going to
Hi,
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 23:16 -0700 schrieb Eitan Isaacson:
Feature completeness, license issues and your favorite IRC client are trivial
issues that could be worked out.
If they were trivial, why haven't they been sorted out after the denial
in the last cycle, it would have helped a
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Sven Herzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 23:16 -0700 schrieb Eitan Isaacson:
Feature completeness, license issues and your favorite IRC client are
trivial
issues that could be worked out.
If they were trivial, why haven't they
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 17:18 +0100 schrieb Patryk Zawadzki:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Sven Herzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 23:16 -0700 schrieb Eitan Isaacson:
Feature completeness, license issues and your favorite IRC client are
trivial
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 11:34 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008 à 10:25 +, Martyn Russell a écrit :
Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 07:01 -0500, Travis Watkins a écrit :
Did anything ever happen with the license issues for the
Feature completeness is not an issue as the project is young and does
NOT replace any other part of GNOME so we are talking about adding
features to the desktop, not about removing them. Totem was not
feature complete for a while and that was considered a regression
still no one proposed
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Martyn Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 07:01 -0500, Travis Watkins a écrit :
Did anything ever happen with the license issues for the libraries?
They should be LGPL.
Any they won't be.
Both libempathy
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008 à 18:05 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Travis Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Martyn Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both libempathy and libempathy-gtk use a lot of GPL code from Gossip and
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008, à 17:33 +0100, Sven Herzberg a écrit :
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 11:34 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008 à 10:25 +, Martyn Russell a écrit :
Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 07:01 -0500, Travis Watkins a écrit
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 18:15 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008 à 18:05 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Travis Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Martyn Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Purpose: Empathy [1] consists of a rich set of reusable instant
messaging widgets, and a GNOME client using those widgets. It uses
Telepathy and Nokia's Mission Control, and reuses Gossip's UI. The main
goal is
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008, à 18:24 +0100, Sven Herzberg a écrit :
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 18:15 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008 à 18:05 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Travis Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed,
Hubert Figuiere wrote:
On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 17:16 +, Martyn Russell wrote:
Try to focus on the project, not on technical (legal) problems
involved in making it part of GNOME.
Huh? What Travis said is completely pertinent. GNOME requires
libraries
are LGPL as I understand it, these are
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 18:31 +0100 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Another example is gtksourceview, which is GPL, I believe.
gtksourceview is relicensed to LGPL:
2007-09-11 Paolo Borelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* gtksourceview/language-specs/python.lang:
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008, à 19:13 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit :
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 18:31 +0100 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Another example is gtksourceview, which is GPL, I believe.
gtksourceview is relicensed to LGPL:
2007-09-11 Paolo Borelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 18:34 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008 à 18:24 +0100, Sven Herzberg a écrit :
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 18:15 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008 à 18:05 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 19:13 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Did I forgot something?
Xavier Claessens.
Missing password security. And absolute no-go in the current shape.
Regards,
Sven
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Le mercredi 26 mars 2008 à 19:32 +0100, Sven Herzberg a écrit :
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 19:13 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Did I forgot something?
Xavier Claessens.
Missing password security. And absolute no-go in the current shape.
Regards,
Sven
Right, I'll take a
2008/3/26 Sven Herzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2008, 19:13 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Did I forgot something?
Xavier Claessens.
Missing password security. And absolute no-go in the current shape.
What about the whole GNOME desktop that stores the proxy
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Proposal: Include Empathy in GNOME 2.24 desktop.
* Adoption: It is packaged at least for debian, ubuntu, mandriva, gentoo
and fedora. There is patches for Totem and nautilus-send-to [2] to make
use of
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 12:02 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit :
* GNOME-ness: The community reports bugs in GNOME bugzilla and attach
patches, I review and commit in GNOME's SVN. GNOME translation teams are
already translating empathy. The UI is build with GNOME spirit in mind,
empathy
Hi,
Let me add my +1 for empathy in GNOME 2.24 :D
Bon courage !
Étienne.
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Did anything ever happen with the license issues for the libraries?
They should be LGPL.
--
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http://www.realistanew.com
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Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 07:01 -0500, Travis Watkins a écrit :
Did anything ever happen with the license issues for the libraries?
They should be LGPL.
Nothing changed.
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On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:50 +0100, Xavier Claessens wrote:
libmissioncontrol = 4.53
libmissioncontrol is LGPLv2 only. This is a problem as it prevent Gnome
to ever move to (L)GPLv3.
That's a -1 solely because of that.
Hub
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i like empathy ;) it still has some things, which should get cleaned up
in the user interface (e.g. group sorting, buddy icon preview, ...) but
still i would love to see it in GNOME 2.24.
+1
a very interesting idea is to integrate the buddy icon somehow with
cheese, so that a user can set his
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 16:30 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit :
Telepathy and Empathy look very promising, but Telepathy doesn't support
buddy lists for IRC (and SIP) yet. Not having buddy lists for IRC would
be a major regression for my use patterns of IRC.
So personally I don't consider
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 09:26 -0400, Hubert Figuiere a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:50 +0100, Xavier Claessens wrote:
libmissioncontrol = 4.53
libmissioncontrol is LGPLv2 only. This is a problem as it prevent Gnome
to ever move to (L)GPLv3.
That's a -1 solely because of that.
This
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 15:45 + schrieb Alberto Ruiz:
2008/3/25, Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi Mathias,
Telepathy and Empathy look very promising, but Telepathy
doesn't support
buddy lists for IRC (and SIP) yet. Not having buddy lists for
Hi,
Are passwords still stored in unencrypted files? That's also a -1.
Regards,
Sven
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 11:50 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
* Proposal: Include Empathy in GNOME 2.24 desktop.
* Purpose: Empathy [1] consists of a rich set of reusable instant
messaging widgets,
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 17:27 +0100, Sven Herzberg a écrit :
Hi,
Are passwords still stored in unencrypted files? That's also a -1.
Regards,
Sven
Sadly Empathy still put password in gconf. That will change when we'll
replace MC. If new MC isn't ready in time I'll try to hack a bit MC to
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 17:20 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit :
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 15:45 + schrieb Alberto Ruiz:
2008/3/25, Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi Mathias,
Telepathy and Empathy look very promising, but Telepathy
doesn't support
Hi,
2008/3/25 Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 16:51 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 16:30 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit :
Telepathy and Empathy look very promising, but Telepathy doesn't support
buddy lists for IRC (and
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 18:44 +0200 schrieb Felipe Contreras:
Pidgin is not part of GNOME, neither is XChat.
So currently there's no IM/chat solution for GNOME.
Yes, GNOME lacks an __official__ IM/chat solution.
So far that hole has been filled by Pidgin and XChat.
I definitely do
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 18:28 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
IMHO it would be stupid for current IRC users to replace their current
IRC application with Empathy at this moment. Its IRC support just is
not
ready yet. This can be fixed - of course.
Why would the fact that it _could_ do
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 17:40 +0100 schrieb Xavier Claessens:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 17:20 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit :
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 15:45 + schrieb Alberto Ruiz:
2008/3/25, Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi Mathias,
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:34 +, Bastien Nocera wrote:
IMHO it would be stupid for current IRC users to replace their current
IRC application with Empathy at this moment. Its IRC support just is
not
ready yet. This can be fixed - of course.
Why would the fact that it _could_ do IRC,
2008/3/25, Mathias Hasselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
By making Empathy an official GNOME component, we tell all our users,
that Pidgin is legacy and that they should switch to our superior
solution. As good engineers we would have integrated Pidgin, if
our solution wouldn't be much superior.
I
On mar, 2008-03-25 at 17:15 +0100, Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 09:26 -0400, Hubert Figuiere a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:50 +0100, Xavier Claessens wrote:
libmissioncontrol = 4.53
libmissioncontrol is LGPLv2 only. This is a problem as it prevent Gnome
to
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 19:21 +0100, Xavier Bestel a écrit :
On mar, 2008-03-25 at 17:15 +0100, Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 09:26 -0400, Hubert Figuiere a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:50 +0100, Xavier Claessens wrote:
libmissioncontrol = 4.53
Am Dienstag, den 25.03.2008, 17:53 + schrieb Ross Burton:
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:34 +, Bastien Nocera wrote:
IMHO it would be stupid for current IRC users to replace their current
IRC application with Empathy at this moment. Its IRC support just is
not
ready yet. This can
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 20:48 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
Just from Empathy, or also Telepathy? What's the rationale behind this
decision? Why should we waste resources for such a crippled IM framework
on our machines?
I have to admit that I went from ±0 to -2 during this discussion.
Le mardi 25 mars 2008 à 19:51 +, Ross Burton a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 20:48 +0100, Mathias Hasselmann wrote:
Just from Empathy, or also Telepathy? What's the rationale behind this
decision? Why should we waste resources for such a crippled IM framework
on our machines?
I
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 09:26 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
libmissioncontrol is LGPLv2 only. This is a problem as it prevent Gnome
to ever move to (L)GPLv3.
So what?
LGPLv2 is Free Software. That is sufficient in our view. Even more so
because we are talking about the LGPL here.
There is
On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 12:11 +1100, Andrew Cowie wrote:
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 09:26 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
libmissioncontrol is LGPLv2 only. This is a problem as it prevent Gnome
to ever move to (L)GPLv3.
So what?
LGPLv2 is Free Software. That is sufficient in our view. Even more
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