Re: 2.1.8 (Was: Re: JING Transformer...)

2005-08-31 Thread Ralph Goers
Pier Fumagalli wrote: I agree wholeheartedly... My personal problem is that we don't release often enough, and in maintaining my system, too many things change from one release to another... 2.1.5 was released 2 years ago now and that's what I use on production. There are non-trivial

Re: 2.1.8 (Was: Re: JING Transformer...)

2005-08-31 Thread Ralph Goers
Andrew Savory wrote: Hi, On 31 Aug 2005, at 12:22, Pier Fumagalli wrote: So, even if cforms are still unstable, frankly, 2.1.8 shouldn't be blocked by it at all... Or am I the only one seeing it this way? I'd agree ... doing a release before the GT and then one after with all the

Re: 2.1.8 (Was: Re: JING Transformer...)

2005-08-31 Thread Ralph Goers
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: My employer REQUIRES a stable forms framework, therefore I require a Cocoon release with a stable forms framework. Just a reminder [1]: All of the ASF including the board, the other officers, the committers, and the members, are participating

Re: 2.1.8 (Was: Re: JING Transformer...)

2005-08-31 Thread Ralph Goers
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: You are here to help grow and maintain community as a whole, and community currently needs more often releases much more than a stable cforms block (which is just a bit of software, at the end of the day). Vadim Vadim, I guess I have to more completely respond to

Re: 2.1.8 (Was: Re: JING Transformer...)

2005-08-31 Thread Ralph Goers
Mark Lundquist wrote: Ralph isn't trying to represent his employer in the Cocoon community. He's just saying that speaking /just for himself/ it is a PITA for his job that CForms isn't stable yet, because that prevents him from using it. I don't think Ralph's employer gives a rat's ass

Re: 2.1.8 (Was: Re: JING Transformer...)

2005-08-31 Thread Ralph Goers
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: My opinion is that a community that releases software that it won't stand behind has a significant problem. I think you just mis-interpreted semantics of the 'unstable flag'. See, actual meaning is: unstable: Supported by the community

Re: 2.1.8 (Was: Re: JING Transformer...)

2005-08-31 Thread Ralph Goers
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: And seriously, I'd argue that your -1 on releases actually *delays* maturity of cforms. Vadim Also, please note that I am not springing this on anybody at the last minute. I believe I first brought up CForms being marked stable in February and then in June. Since

Re: 2.1.8 (Was: Re: JING Transformer...)

2005-08-31 Thread Ralph Goers
Mark Lundquist wrote: On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: My opinion is that a community that releases software that it won't stand behind has a significant problem. Won't stand behind seems like too strong/loaded of a characterization for this CForms thing. Support

Re: VariableResolver

2005-08-30 Thread Ralph Goers
If it is an older copy then what does moving the code from the portal to the core mean? Does the core already contain all the same functionality and the portal version should just be removed? I'll be happy to do it if I know what to do. Ralph Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Yepp, it's an older

Re: VariableResolver

2005-08-30 Thread Ralph Goers
OK. It should be easy enough to test with the portal sample site. Ralph Carsten Ziegeler wrote: The core is the most recent version. The only thing that has to be done is remove the code from the portal and make the core version usable and use it then in the portal (or whereever). Carsten

Re: [2.2] Readd jx or move template block to core

2005-08-30 Thread Ralph Goers
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Agree about that as well ;) Carsten seem sometimes to assume that major changes imply breaking stuff, I don't think that have to be the case. Working carefully and incremental steps reduces the risk. But of course, anyone can make mistakes and we of course must

Re: [2.2] Past, present and future of the maven build

2005-08-30 Thread Ralph Goers
A word of caution. One thing we ran into with Maven 1 was that we ended up splitting individual components into 3 parts; api, impl and test. As you start moving from one monolithic project into smaller subcomponents which are compiled separately you will soon find that you have circularity

Re: JING Transformer...

2005-08-30 Thread Ralph Goers
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: (PS: when is 2.1.8 expected? /me is starting a new big-ish project) Soonish... I guess as soon as Carsten starts VOTE :-) Vadim Just so you know, if Cocoon Forms is still marked unstable I'll be voting -1. Ralph

Re: JING Transformer...

2005-08-30 Thread Ralph Goers
Sylvain Wallez wrote: (PS: when is 2.1.8 expected? /me is starting a new big-ish project) Soon :-) Seriously, what about right after the GT, once we have squashed a few bugs and patches during the hackathon? I should also be able to commit some time in the second half of September to

Re: JING Transformer...

2005-08-30 Thread Ralph Goers
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: Just so you know, if Cocoon Forms is still marked unstable I'll be voting -1. Does it mean Cocoon should go without release for a year? Would you still vote -1 if CForms is not marked stable after 2 years? 3? Yes. Cocoon without a stable

Re: [2.2] Past, present and future of the maven build

2005-08-30 Thread Ralph Goers
don't want to do if they are truly independent blocks. Ralph Joerg Heinicke wrote: On 30.08.2005 17:31, Ralph Goers wrote: A word of caution. One thing we ran into with Maven 1 was that we ended up splitting individual components into 3 parts; api, impl and test. As you start moving from one

VariableResolver

2005-08-29 Thread Ralph Goers
I'm a little confused. In treeprocessor we have class NOPVariableResolver class PreparedVariableResolver class VariableResolver class VariableResolverFactory In the portal block we have class DefaultVariableResolverFactory class NOPVariableResolver class

Re: [WHOAMI] Jorg Heymans

2005-08-25 Thread Ralph Goers
Well, Jorg, we are glad to have you here! Ralph Jorg Heymans wrote: it seems that the account creation process is still ongoing, in the meantime here are some random trivia about my current and past person. I am of Belgium nationality and currently living in a little town near Brussels. In

Re: [GT2005] ANNOUNCE: Cocoon GetTogether registration NOW open

2005-08-22 Thread Ralph Goers
Thanks. Ralph Joerg Heinicke wrote: Is there a cost for the hackathon? See the button of the registration page. Ouch! *Bottom* of course. Joerg

Re: More Ajax in Cocoon (was Re: [FYI] followers :-))

2005-08-19 Thread Ralph Goers
I'd move it out if keeping it in is going to keep CForms from being marked stable in 2.1.8. Sylvain Wallez wrote: Actually, Ajax in Cocoon should be separated from CForms, and this is why the BrowserUpdateTransformer is in core and not in CForms. Now if we're to add more Ajax-related

Re: [Proposal] Switch to Maven NOW

2005-08-17 Thread Ralph Goers
Wow. It is always a surprise when I wake up in the morning! I'm +5 to this. Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Actually I'm a little bit tired of the ongoing Maven discussion. Why can't we just switch the trunk to Maven NOW? Who really cares if trunk is not buildable/working for the next days until the

Re: [Proposal] Switch to Maven NOW

2005-08-17 Thread Ralph Goers
Jorg Heymans wrote: remarks: - Will 2.1.x branch also be moved to m2 or is this for trunk only ? I would wait and see what it takes to convert trunk. As much as I would like to switch I would wait and see what the impact will be. However, it might be much easier to convert 2.1.x once

Re: [VOTE] Switch to Maven NOW

2005-08-17 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Carsten Ziegeler wrote: So far the response was positiv, so I think we should just vote about it and then do it. If you have any questions, please use the proposal thread. So please cast your votes for switching to Maven2 NOW as outlined/discussed in the proposal thread. Thanks Carsten

Re: CoWarp (was Re: svn commit: r232855...)

2005-08-17 Thread Ralph Goers
night and I didn't see anything to support roles or permission. Ralph Leszek Gawron wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: The only concern I would have in bringing CoWarp into Cocoon (beside the name making me think it is an add-on for OS/2 :-) ) is that I'd want to evaluate it against using acegi

Re: [VOTE] Switch to Maven NOW

2005-08-17 Thread Ralph Goers
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: one more thing, though, don't lose gump! doesn't have to work right away, but keep it in mind. maven 1 has a goal to build the gump.xml (see http://maven.apache.org/reference/plugins/gump/) , so I would expect maven 2 would as well. Ralph

Re: CoWarp (was Re: svn commit: r232855...)

2005-08-16 Thread Ralph Goers
Sylvain Wallez wrote: So let's switch Cocoon to Maven ;-) I wish it was that simple. I looked at it a month or so ago. A royal PITA. Unfortunately, I also think it is very necessary. We really need to get the 3rd party jars out of our download. Ralph

Re: CoWarp (was Re: svn commit: r232855...)

2005-08-16 Thread Ralph Goers
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: If there is *high* community interest in hosting it at Apache I'm willing to move. In fact, lack of a community was one of the main reasons in creating Cowarp outside of Apache. I have no idea how to become part of a community at sourceforge. Most seem to have no

Re: CoWarp (was Re: svn commit: r232855...)

2005-08-16 Thread Ralph Goers
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Ralph Goers schrieb: Sylvain Wallez wrote: So let's switch Cocoon to Maven ;-) I wish it was that simple. I looked at it a month or so ago. A royal PITA. Unfortunately, I also think it is very necessary. We really need to get the 3rd party jars out

Re: [GT2005] REPOST: GetTogether 2005 Call For Participation - deadline in less than 3 weeks

2005-08-16 Thread Ralph Goers
I'm trying to get approval from my employer to attend. Do you know what the conference cost will be? Can you recommend any hotels? I've never been to Amsterdam (or Europe for that matter) so any help is appreciated. Ralph Arje Cahn wrote: Cocoon

Re: CoWarp (was Re: svn commit: r232855...)

2005-08-16 Thread Ralph Goers
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: So let's switch Cocoon to Maven ;-) I wish it was that simple. I looked at it a month or so ago. A royal PITA. Unfortunately, I also think it is very necessary. We really need to get the 3rd party jars out of our

Re: CoWarp (was Re: svn commit: r232855...)

2005-08-16 Thread Ralph Goers
Leszek Gawron wrote: -(-(-1)) ! :) I am often working using a lousy GPRS internet connection (like now :)). I download big things while connected to LAN and I need to be sure that I have all deps fetched when going on holiday. If I had to fetch all dependencies manually (and not only from

Re: [VOTE] Website update process

2005-08-15 Thread Ralph Goers
hepabolu wrote: Guys, I don't know if a vote for this is required, but I'd like to have consensus/feedback, before I do something drastic. As written earlier today there are gaps in the current version of the website, e.g. FAQs are missing. What I'd like to do is restore the current

Re: svn commit: r232855 - in /cocoon: blocks/portal/trunk/WEB-INF/xconf/ blocks/portal/trunk/java/org/apache/cocoon/portal/bridges/ blocks/portal/trunk/samples/ blocks/scratchpad/trunk/java/org/apache

2005-08-15 Thread Ralph Goers
Is there something more detailed about what this enhancement provides? It sounds interesting. Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: cziegeler Date: Mon Aug 15 11:57:55 2005 New Revision: 232855 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=232855view=rev Log: Portal block: Add support for portal

Re: Where are the articles on writing Cocoon components?

2005-08-14 Thread Ralph Goers
I doubt that there is anything in the works on this. I remember running into this problem when I was first learning Cocoon. I had to go to the Avalon site to get basic lifecycle information (this is now at the Excalibur site). But I had to figure out what the point of cocoon.roles was on my

EHCache exception

2005-08-12 Thread Ralph Goers
One of our production servers is getting this exception repeatedly. Can someone clue me in on what to do to correct it? The code base was at svn revision 122686 which, as I recall, was slightly before 2.1.7 was released. Ralph - cocoon-ehcache-1Cache: Could not read disk store element for

Re: EHCache exception

2005-08-12 Thread Ralph Goers
, Ralph Goers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our production servers is getting this exception repeatedly. Can someone clue me in on what to do to correct it? The code base was at svn revision 122686 which, as I recall, was slightly before 2.1.7 was released. Ralph - cocoon-ehcache-1Cache

Re: EHCache exception

2005-08-12 Thread Ralph Goers
Hunsberger wrote: On 8/12/05, Ralph Goers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Peter. I suspected it was a corruption. I didn't know the names of the files. Frankly, I'm not even sure we need external caching enabled for this application. Will it provide any better performance than re-reading

Re: Architectural concerns

2005-08-11 Thread Ralph Goers
Kees Broenink wrote: Thanks Joerg and Vadim for your input. I am a big fan of the basic concepts of Cocoon and I do not tend to add a MVC layer on top of it. The power of Cocoon in my opinion is that it is not religic about the MVC pattern. It tries to do the job of building data driven

Re: javaflow problem

2005-08-08 Thread Ralph Goers
I had the same problem. I have no idea what caused it. I ended up completely restructuring my javaflow. I think it had to do with having try catch blocks and returning from them, but I really don't have any idea what caused it. roy huang wrote: Hi: I try to switch flowscript to javaflow and

Re: [Portal] Skinning questions

2005-08-02 Thread Ralph Goers
Thorsten Scherler wrote: Hello devs, snip Another question is the portal view. http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/developing/portal/profiles.html#The+Portal +View Does that mean we can have a) user based portal b) role based portal c) global based portal views? Would it be possible to extend

Re: [VOTE] Jorg Heymans as new committer

2005-08-01 Thread Ralph Goers
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi folks, Jorg Heymans has been around for more than 2 years now, and has contributed with comments on the dev, help on the user list and several patches along the way, [grep -i heymans status.xml] will tell you more), all of good quality. So, I'm pleased to propose

Re: [RT] The impact of using OSGi

2005-07-25 Thread Ralph Goers
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Apart from that, my impression is that the biggest impact might be on the build system and on the directory structure of our code: separating the code in a way that makes sense for bundles (separate interfaces from implementations,

Re: Moving TraversableGenerator into Cocoon core

2005-07-24 Thread Ralph Goers
Joerg Heinicke wrote: But I came across a strange thing: There is no scratchpad block in the branch. Why? And why are the blocks in the branch not handled in the same way (svn:external) as in trunk? Couldn't this be done transparent to the users? And while we are at it: From what I see the

Re: Moving TraversableGenerator into Cocoon core

2005-07-23 Thread Ralph Goers
Michael Wechner wrote: Hi I would like to suggest that we move the TraversableGenerator into Cocoon core. It seems to me that the TraversableGenerator is very useful, because it supports the excalibur Source in general and not just the FileSource like the DirectoryGenerator. Otherwise

Re: [Fwd: [proposal] Oscar OSGi Project]

2005-07-15 Thread Ralph Goers
PROTECTED] Until this proposal has been accepted by the Apache Incubator PMC, these lists are provisional. Ralph Reinhard Poetz wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: Well, I'm very much in favor of this. Unfortunately, my messages sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are failing with no such mailbox. The project

adding a block

2005-07-15 Thread Ralph Goers
Can someone point me at the doc that accurately describes how to add a new block to Cocoon (for both 2.1.x and trunk). My stumbling block seems to be that I have no idea how gump resolves the depend elements. Also, doesn't it strike anyone as strange that the blocks are now off in their own

Re: [Fwd: [proposal] Oscar OSGi Project]

2005-07-14 Thread Ralph Goers
Well, I'm very much in favor of this. Unfortunately, my messages sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are failing with no such mailbox. Ralph Reinhard Poetz wrote: Alex Karasulu has proposed Oscar as Apache Projekt to the Incubator project. For those who don't know Oscar: Oscar is one of the

Re: [vote] Give Max Pfingsthorn temporary and restricted commit privileges to our code repository

2005-07-10 Thread Ralph Goers
Reinhard Poetz wrote: As you all know, Max Pfingsthorn is one of our Google Summer of Code students and he will work on the implementation of the cforms library. In order to make his life and the life of his two mentors (Sylvain and I) easier, I want to give him *temporary* and

Re: Murphy on Cocoon

2005-07-04 Thread Ralph Goers
Wow! Ugo Cei wrote: I have one overwhelming reaction to the difference between Cocoon then, and Cocoon now. Fundamentally it seems to have evolved from science experiment to professional product - there is now a clarity of purpose and design simplicity that promises to make it a joy to work

Re: svn commit: r208646 - /cocoon/trunk/src/java/org/apache/cocoon/core/CoreUtil.java

2005-06-30 Thread Ralph Goers
I haven't looked deeply into what has changed in trunk here, but I suspect that this change will cause me problems. My Logger implementation needs to get the objectModel from the contextMap and is expecting it to be there. Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: cziegeler Date: Thu Jun 30

Re: svn commit: r208646 - /cocoon/trunk/src/java/org/apache/cocoon/core/CoreUtil.java

2005-06-30 Thread Ralph Goers
I would have no problem with that if LoggerManager had a method that was called at the beginning of a request. If that was the case I wouldn't even be using the Cocoon ContextMap as our LoggingFramework has its own equivalent (for Log4J NDC type stuff). This would actually simplify my code.

Re: [osgi] Changing framework?

2005-06-29 Thread Ralph Goers
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: For block development we should only depend on official APIs. But the way you start an OSGi server is not standardized in R3. And as we want to be able to continue to have the option of having Cocoon packaged as a servlet (or at least some of you, I don't care), we

Re: [QVOTE] Add getSitemapURIPrefix() to the Request

2005-06-24 Thread Ralph Goers
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Hey All, Lazy vote here on the subject of adding getSitemapURIPrefix method to the Request interface. Details are in the bug mentioned below. Vadim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=35435 +1 but can we make the method

Re: Cocoon 2.1.7 in Weblogic 8.1.4

2005-06-23 Thread Ralph Goers
Torsten Curdt wrote: Sorry, nothing but the javadocs and samples in 2.1. It's not considered stable yet. Although changes will probably not affect the users point of view ...more under the hood. The javaflow API is meant to mime the javascript flow API as close as possible. Seems like some

Re: Problem running three tomcats and not having a sticky session

2005-06-23 Thread Ralph Goers
I believe you asked this question on 6/20. Did you ask on the Tomcat list? Cocoon does not perform load balancing. The container and the http server do. Ralph Ralph Lange wrote: Dear Cocoon users, Our setup: cocon 2.1.5.1, tomcat 5.5.4, jdk 1.5.0. In order to manage much more requests, I

Re: Cocoon 2.1.7 in Weblogic 8.1.4

2005-06-21 Thread Ralph Goers
You can try adding Cocoon's version of Rhino to the classpath before weblogic.jar. However, this may very well cause weblogic itself to have errors, depending on what you are doing. I only experienced problems when I was trying to use weblogic portal (8.1.2). As Tony suggested, you will

Re: Cocoon 2.1.7 in Weblogic 8.1.4

2005-06-21 Thread Ralph Goers
One other thing. The version of Rhino in 2.1.x almost certainly won't work with weblogic. However, I believe the Rhino version in 2.2 might work better since it comes straight from mozilla. Give that a try (you still need to override weblogics Rhino). Let us know how it goes. Ralph Irv

Re: [GT2005] News, vote and more news

2005-06-17 Thread Ralph Goers
Well, I've already spoken to my boss and have tentatively worked something out with him. Mon - Wed would probably be better for me as I plan to stay a few extra days as I've never been to Europe at all, so I'll do a little sight seeing afterwards. I'd appreciate any advice regarding car

Re: [SUMMARY] [VOTE] Document Editors, and a new Committer

2005-06-16 Thread Ralph Goers
Helma van der Linden wrote: Apart from my fulltime job I have a husband and two boys of 6 and 8. I would have thought the husband and two boys were the fulltime job! Ralph

Re: Small dilemma: are Actions still recommended?

2005-06-14 Thread Ralph Goers
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Glen Ezkovich wrote: Cocooners, Working on some introductory documentation I ran into a slight dilemma. I want to mention how Cocoon is able to access either the model or a database in response to a request and produce a response based on the result. Because of

Re: JSR 277

2005-06-14 Thread Ralph Goers
Pretty cool, but will it support versioning. IMO, that is the biggest problem in Java at the moment. Ralph Steven Noels wrote: This just popped up in my mailbox: http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=277 /Steven

Re: CForms: some renamings on the Widget interface

2005-06-14 Thread Ralph Goers
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Glen Ezkovich wrote: Yes, changes are possible, and each time some have occured we have made sure that existing code will either run in compatibility mode (with the appropriate deprectation logs) or fail hard by explaining what's happening. The problem here is that

Re: CForms: some renamings on the Widget interface

2005-06-14 Thread Ralph Goers
Sylvain Wallez wrote: A problem though: these names are good for methods, but what about attributes? fd:field localName=bar leading to a fi:field fullName=foo.bar? Hmm... doesn't look that good... Sylvain Very true. A name attribute on both would look better, but then you'd need to be

Re: [VOTE] Consensus about documentation location

2005-06-13 Thread Ralph Goers
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Same concerns as Ugo. We should IMO document 2.1 and use specially labelled sections and pages for what's different in 2.2. We could also uses Daisy branches, but I don't think it's a good idea to start a multi-branch effort right now. I agree with this also. -

Re: [VOTE] Consensus about documentation location - revised version

2005-06-13 Thread Ralph Goers
Linden H van der (MI) wrote: Based on some comments I would like to revise the proposal. Let's focus first on what info goes where and what the general direction will be. As things progress, we can focus on explicit processes and, given the current discussion, the roles/rights. - the current

Re: CForms: some renamings on the Widget interface

2005-06-13 Thread Ralph Goers
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, As part of the stabilization work on CForms, there are a couple of changes I'd like to do on the naming-related methods of the Widget interface. Today we have: - getId() which returns the local name of widget. - getRequestParameterName() which returns the

Re: Sitemap: flow and interpreters

2005-06-12 Thread Ralph Goers
Glen Ezkovich wrote: 2-Should we want to encourage people to write Javaflow instead of JSFlow? No. While I plan on using Javaflow going forward, JSFlow makes flow available to Javascript programers (web masters). Interesting that you should say that because that is exactly the reason

Re: Sitemap: flow and interpreters

2005-06-12 Thread Ralph Goers
Reinhard Poetz wrote: 2-Should we want to encourage people to write Javaflow instead of JSFlow? no, I think offering both options is enough. People can decide themselves. Actually, I think we need a third option, but I don't know what it is. I've heard the desire to have something

Re: compiling a custom transformer

2005-06-10 Thread Ralph Goers
I use maven to do my builds. The jars are all in our local repository. These are the dependencies I have in my project.xml to compile: dependency groupIdcocoon/groupId artifactIdcocoon/artifactId urlhttp://cocoon.apache.org/2.1//url /dependency dependency

Re: FlowApi and JavaFlow

2005-06-10 Thread Ralph Goers
We have used JavaFlow lightly and have not had any problems. We plan to use it more heavily. I don't know if that helps. Lutz Thomas wrote: Hi ! I followed your discussion about the CForm flowscript API. Does this affect JavaFlow ? And, as I am in the startup of major project, and want to

Re: compiling a custom transformer

2005-06-10 Thread Ralph Goers
I believe I just saw something today in Daisy that documented that and I think it was copied from the Wiki. I'd look there. Ralph Lars Huttar wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: I use maven to do my builds. The jars are all in our local repository. These are the dependencies I have in my project.xml

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-08 Thread Ralph Goers
Ben Pope wrote: It makes very little sense to mark it stable without it actually being what is generally considered (by this community) as stable. You might as well just throw away all semantics, I doubt there are many people here who want to release something whose API they know will

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-07 Thread Ralph Goers
Reinhard Poetz wrote: The current situation is that the implementation (runs in many projects) and the community (large developer and user community) are stable, but the interfaces are *not*. I tried to express this with the hypothetical block descriptor fragment: state community=stable

Re: [Vote] Reduce dependencies to LogKit

2005-06-06 Thread Ralph Goers
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: We recently discussed the famous logging topic [1] and it seems that we agree to reduce the dependencies to LogKit. So, please cast your votes on the following: We remove all direct dependencies to LogKit. The logging will still use the LoggerManager interface through

Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-06 Thread Ralph Goers
We have a project that needs to use a forms framework that is more advanced than what SimpleForms provides. However, it is difficult on selling cforms simply because they are marked unstable. What is it going to take to mark it stable in 2.1.8? Can we simply identify the known bugs in

Re: Google Summer of Code - projects and mentors wanted

2005-06-02 Thread Ralph Goers
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: Do we have something else on our wishlists (some fancy cforms features, etc.)? What about some ajax stylings for cforms? Some I'd love to have are: - cocoon suggests ajax styling for cforms fields providing

Re: Logkit jvadocs

2005-06-01 Thread Ralph Goers
Antonio Gallardo wrote: On Mar, 31 de Mayo de 2005, 14:05, Vadim Gritsenko dijo: Is time to moving setup log4j as our default logging package. Is that OK? -1 I'm also -1. I might consider replacing logkit with UGLI, but not LOG4J directly. However, (a) UGLI is part of

Re: Logkit jvadocs

2005-06-01 Thread Ralph Goers
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Antonio Gallardo wrote: Well, I think it is time to discuss again. I still think we should remove the dependency to LogKit in 2.2 - we all see now that it's a dead project. So is there any reason to keep it? Noone else is using it and removing

Re: svn commit: r179405 - in /cocoon/blocks/portal/trunk/java/org/apache/cocoon/portal/event: EventManager.java Publisher.java Receiver.java Register.java aspect/EventAspectContext.java impl/DefaultEventManager.java

2005-06-01 Thread Ralph Goers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: cziegeler Date: Wed Jun 1 12:40:16 2005 New Revision: 179405 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=179405view=rev Log: Start new, simpler event infrastructure Do you have any details of where you want to go with this? Is it safe to assume you want to

Re: Internationalis/zation of documentation

2005-05-26 Thread Ralph Goers
Sebastien Arbogast wrote: Mark's initiative is fully coherent with our motivation at Planet Cocoon : making Cocoon documentation closer to its users (and once again, its users are not only its developers). We are trying to make a documentation platform which is simpler to use and write for.

Re: [RT] Improving Dynamic Selection List performance inside Repeaters

2005-05-25 Thread Ralph Goers
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: I am not really sure if this is viable and how much time we can save using a short lived cache. But somehow we need to improve the cforms performance. WDYT? Best Regards, Antonio Gallardo. Well, I'm not really familiar with CForms, but FWIW my first thought

Re: [RT] Improving Dynamic Selection List performance inside

2005-05-25 Thread Ralph Goers
Antonio Gallardo wrote: OK. Perhaps the sample is not the best, lets forget about the database. The fact is that selection list is requesting the pipeline per row. Hence, triggering all the pipeline and all the process that it involves. And there is where I see a waste of time. In the static

Re: [RT] Micro kernel based Cocoon

2005-05-24 Thread Ralph Goers
Nathaniel Alfred wrote: Instead of a micro kernel which is going to have again a large footprint to do anything useful I'd rather prefer a small kernel to do just what Cocoon needs. After all Cocoon is just a super-servlet which needs a bit of container services for managing component reuse

Re: [RT] Releases

2005-05-23 Thread Ralph Goers
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Cocoon community is IMHO too focused of NOT releasing something BAD, instead of focusing on releasing the new and good stuff. If releases came out on a bi-weekly basis, who would be worried that a bug or two sneaked in. Patch and it will be fixed in days. And with so many

Re: [RT] Micro kernel based Cocoon

2005-05-23 Thread Ralph Goers
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Uh? What are these features? Would you mind sharing this with us? Sure; I already mentioned this months ago and even asked on this list for help; but noone was interested :( Actually, I was and am interested. I just can't get my boss

Re: Micro kernel use cases?

2005-05-23 Thread Ralph Goers
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 22 mai 05, à 20:24, Daniel Fagerstrom a écrit : ...It would require quite a lot of work to give a fair overview of what we have discussed about this in the last three or so years. You find some info in http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/Blocks... Would it be

Re: [RT] Micro kernel based Cocoon

2005-05-23 Thread Ralph Goers
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: Why is updating more difficult. We have MBeans that do both. Creating an operation that updates isn't that hard. The hard part is figuring out what you want to manage. And what happens after you updated a value. Changing pool sizes

Re: [RT] Releases

2005-05-23 Thread Ralph Goers
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Listen to the founding fathers of this project, who declared (and lived by it in the 1.x days) Release Early, Release Often. Everyone here talks about it, but doesn't live by it. I have no problem with release early, release often. I just have a problem with code

Re: Releasing 2.2

2005-05-23 Thread Ralph Goers
I believe it is the bug you reported. Paul Crabtree wrote: As a matter of fact, Leszek provided a fix last week for what seems to me to be a pretty serious bug in flow and this alone should warrant a 2.1.8 release. Hi Ralph, We are about to go to production with an application built on

Re: [RT] Releases

2005-05-22 Thread Ralph Goers
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: snip Since 2000 we have managed to ship a handfull of 2.0 and a handfull of 2.1 releases. Considering the amount of activity and the volume and quality of what have done during that period it must be a hard to beat record in conservative version numbering ;)

Re: [RT] Micro kernel based Cocoon

2005-05-20 Thread Ralph Goers
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: OSGi specification is currently at its 3rd release. It is used as kernel for Eclipse (since 3.0), each plugin is a bundle. It is used for embeded applications e.g. BMWs 5 series, mobile phones etc. There are 12 compliant implementations and at least 3 with friendly

Re: [Continuations] ConcurrentModificationException when invalidating on JBoss

2005-05-18 Thread Ralph Goers
Leszek, I suspect Paul will want to patch 2.1.7 since that is what he has been testing with (I doubt he wants to go into production with a snapshot). Is there a possibility you can forward the svn email to him so he can patch it himself? Paul - If I misread you please speak up. Ralph Leszek

Re: [Continuations] ConcurrentModificationException when invalidating on JBoss

2005-05-18 Thread Ralph Goers
See http://cocoon.apache.org/community/contrib.html. Specifically the section How to generate differences. Just attach the file to the bugzilla report. Ralph Paul Crabtree wrote: Actually i submitted a fix for something else on to the list yesterday but only in an explanatory way with a

Re: [Continuations] ConcurrentModificationException when invalidating on JBoss

2005-05-18 Thread Ralph Goers
running windows/VSS here and to get cocoon i simply downloaded the source and built it. On 5/18/05, *Ralph Goers* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://cocoon.apache.org/community/contrib.html. Specifically the section How to generate differences. Just attach

Re: [IMP] synchronization on session object in Cocoon

2005-05-16 Thread Ralph Goers
Please update from svn and review the changes. Ralhp Jochen Kuhnle wrote: Am I not getting it, or is the implementation broken (see below)? /** The map to assure 1:1-mapping of server sessions and Cocoon session wrappers */ private static final Map sessions = Collections.synchronizedMap(new

Re: [IMP] synchronization on session object in Cocoon

2005-05-15 Thread Ralph Goers
Yes, there was considerable discussion about this. Yes, the version in svn is wrong. I was hoping it would get fixed after our discussion, but that hasn't happened, so I'll try to commit something tonight (it is still Sunday night here in California). Ralph Jochen Kuhnle wrote: Am I not

Re: [IMP] synchronization on session object in Cocoon

2005-05-13 Thread Ralph Goers
Fine. Leave the WeakHashmap the way it is. But synchronizing on the servlet session is a -1 for me. That could have unknown consequences since the object is owned by the container, not Cocoon. See my other post. Sorry - my ISP has had severe email problems the last few days and so I have

Re: svn commit: r169856 - /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/src/java/org/apache/cocoon/environment/http/HttpRequest.java

2005-05-13 Thread Ralph Goers
Nathaniel Alfred wrote: One must synchonize the put and get operation on the map itself in order to protect its internal consistency. Well, yeah. A synchronized block that synchronizes on the map accomplishes that. Map map = Collections.synchronizedMap(new HashMap()); ... map.put(key,

Re: svn commit: r169856 - /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/src/java/org/apache/cocoon/environment/http/HttpRequest.java

2005-05-13 Thread Ralph Goers
Nathaniel Alfred wrote: You must have synchronized(serverSession) (or block all threads) to avoid calling sessions.put twice for the same serverSession. Sorry. I misread that sentence. Yes, this statement is quite true. Ralph

Re: svn commit: r169856 - /cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/src/java/org/apache/cocoon/environment/http/HttpRequest.java

2005-05-13 Thread Ralph Goers
Joerg Heinicke wrote: It would work, but IMO the current implementation is better because it is more fine-grained. Synchronizing the block on the map (yes, you don't need a synchronized map then) blocks all requests for the execution of this block while this impl blocks only the requests for the

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