Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-21 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Joerg Heinicke skrev: On 15.08.2006 17:28, Jason Johnston wrote: I am interested (and I think the community needs to know) what Joerg's criteria for approving an eventual move to 1.5 would need to be, in some measurable way. I'm sure he would agree that at some point in the future moving to

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-19 Thread Jean-Baptiste Quenot
* Antonio Gallardo: Yes, please stop this thread. We can revisit this issue later. Perhaps our next major version will use java 1.5 as the minimal version. After all this is not stopping developers to use java 1.5 for his development needs, it is just cocoon that needs to be

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-17 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 15.08.2006 22:18, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Now if experiments with retroweaver/retrotranslator show that we can use Java 1.5 _and_ produce libraries that work in a Java 1.4 environment, the above problem should be resolved and Joerg should be able to retract his veto. Right Joerg? In

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-17 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 15.08.2006 17:28, Jason Johnston wrote: I am interested (and I think the community needs to know) what Joerg's criteria for approving an eventual move to 1.5 would need to be, in some measurable way. I'm sure he would agree that at some point in the future moving to 1.5+ will be

Vetoing (was [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement)

2006-08-16 Thread Ralph Goers
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Now something about vetoing: According to http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management The rules require that a negative vote includes an alternative proposal or a detailed explanation of the reasons for the negative vote. The community then tries

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-16 Thread Andrew Savory
Hi, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: To summarize how I understand the situation: Joerg's main reason for the veto against using Java 5 in Cocoon 2.2 is that we would risk losing some of our user base. I would be happier hearing this argument after a poll of the user list to see how many people:

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-16 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Andrew Savory skrev: Hi, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: To summarize how I understand the situation: Joerg's main reason for the veto against using Java 5 in Cocoon 2.2 is that we would risk losing some of our user base. I would be happier hearing this argument after a poll of the user list to

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-16 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Reinhard Poetz escribió: If I interpret our voting rules correctly, the proposal has been rejected because of the -1 vote. Yes, please stop this thread. We can revisit this issue later. Perhaps our next major version will use java 1.5 as the minimal version. After all this is not stopping

[Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-15 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Reinhard Poetz wrote: As Java 5 was released almost 2 years ago, I propose making it the minimum requirement for trunk and all artifacts released from there. here are the results: 15 binding +1 1 non-binding +1 1 binding +0 1 binding -0 1 binding -1 If I

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-15 Thread Peter Hunsberger
On 8/15/06, Reinhard Poetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: As Java 5 was released almost 2 years ago, I propose making it the minimum requirement for trunk and all artifacts released from there. here are the results: 15 binding +1 1 non-binding +1 1 binding +0

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-15 Thread Jason Johnston
Peter Hunsberger wrote: On 8/15/06, Reinhard Poetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I interpret our voting rules correctly, the proposal has been rejected because of the -1 vote. I disagree. Joerg has not given us any real reason why Cocoon 2.2 needs to run on any of these older platforms. In

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-15 Thread Jorg Heymans
On 15 Aug 2006, at 16:01, Peter Hunsberger wrote: I disagree. Joerg has not given us any real reason why Cocoon 2.2 needs to run on any of these older platforms. In order for a veto to be considered valid it must be based on a real problem. He has, but it seems you're not accepting them :-P

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-15 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Jorg Heymans skrev: ... I'ld say we stop argueing about this and use our time more constructively to experiment with the retroweaver. I hear it has an ant task, integrating it into our build process should be a breeze then. This seem like a reasonable proposal to me. To

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-15 Thread Peter Hunsberger
On 8/15/06, Jorg Heymans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Aug 2006, at 16:01, Peter Hunsberger wrote: I disagree. Joerg has not given us any real reason why Cocoon 2.2 needs to run on any of these older platforms. In order for a veto to be considered valid it must be based on a real problem.

Re: [Result] [Vote] Java 5 as minimum JDK requirement

2006-08-15 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Jason Johnston wrote: Peter Hunsberger wrote: On 8/15/06, Reinhard Poetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I interpret our voting rules correctly, the proposal has been rejected because of the -1 vote. I disagree. Joerg has not given us any real reason why Cocoon 2.2 needs to run on any of