Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-24 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 22.11.2003 14:40, Sylvain Wallez wrote: It's maybe to late in the night to start a rant, but I will do it. Rants are more ranty late in the night ;-) I hear your concerns an try to turn them into constructive criticism. Thanks ... See below: The problem I have with Woody at the moment is,

Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-24 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 22.11.2003 18:30, Ugo Cei wrote: I'm with you here. Let's face it, what people are and will be using Woody for is mainly HTML forms, and there's no way you can make a decent form-based application without *lots* of DHTML code. But the current code is not DHTML, but document.write(). For

Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-24 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 23.11.2003 20:21, Antonio Gallardo wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi dijo: At the same time, all the style should happen in the XSLT thus the HTML calendar strings worries me. I think it can be easily addresses by inspecting with XPath if there is a widget with Date datatype. In that way we can

Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-24 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 24.11.2003 09:14, Ugo Cei wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: At the same time, all the style should happen in the XSLT thus the HTML calendar strings worries me. I am using another calendar with Woody: http://dynarch.com/mishoo/calendar.epl. As the author says: It works with Mozilla,

Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-24 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Joerg Heinicke wrote: snip/ Of course. But as I pointed out the current solution is not really cross-browser, but only works for many browsers at the moment because they are backwards compatible. I don't know if you heard of it, but at the time Apple chose Konqueror as the base of Safari they

Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-24 Thread Ugo Cei
Joerg Heinicke wrote: I'm with you here and would even not add a simple stylesheet. People adding simply a guestbook won't use Cocoon, so it's more or less useless effort. Cocoon Forms has higher aims :-) Sorry if I misunderstood you, but your sentence on focusing on server side form processing

Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-24 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 24.11.2003 22:32, Ugo Cei wrote: Joerg Heinicke wrote: I'm with you here and would even not add a simple stylesheet. People adding simply a guestbook won't use Cocoon, so it's more or less useless effort. Cocoon Forms has higher aims :-) Sorry if I misunderstood you, but your sentence on

Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-22 Thread Ugo Cei
Sylvain Wallez wrote: I don't agree with you here: you cannot seriously convince people to use Woody if it doesn't provide the minimal fancy features that every other form framework provides. You won't convince anybody with flat inputs. We need tooltips, help popups, calendars, etc. But I also

Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-22 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Ugo Cei dijo: Sylvain Wallez wrote: I don't agree with you here: you cannot seriously convince people to use Woody if it doesn't provide the minimal fancy features that every other form framework provides. You won't convince anybody with flat inputs. We need tooltips, help popups, calendars,

Re: Refactoring woody styling (was Re: Woody Rant)

2003-11-22 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Ugo Cei wrote: Let's not just provide something for the lowest common denominator (a.k.a. Netscape 4.X). On the similar note... As seen on the slashdot: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashdot/ Vadim