Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Ross Gardler
I've NOT read this thread. It looks like there is constructive discussion happening, unfortunately I don't have time to read it all just now, so I'll refrain from commenting beyond encouraging work in this initiative. I did want to raise that quite some time ago we did alot of work thinking abou

Re: 2020 ASF Community Survey

2019-12-06 Thread Griselda Cuevas
Thanks for sharing Mark! On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 4:27 PM Mark Thomas wrote: > On 06/12/2019 00:24, Mark Thomas wrote: > > Sorry. I meant to send this to the Tomcat dev@ list and only realised my > error as I saw the window close after clicking send. > > Everyone here is, of course, more than welcom

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Swapnil M Mane
Thank you so much Rich for the kind words and expression, I highly appreciate your constant guidance! :-) On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 8:13 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > > Some responses/thoughts inline. Thank you, Swapnil, for your > constructive engagement in this conversation. I *hugely* appreciate you >

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Swapnil M Mane
Thank you so much, Daniel for your kind words. I am grateful to you! :-) Kindly have look at my response inline. On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 6:23 PM Daniel Ruggeri wrote: > > > > On December 4, 2019 11:31:17 PM CST, Swapnil M Mane > wrote: > >Thank you all for your constant support and guidance in t

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:15 PM Rich Bowen wrote: > > I've made two posts on this list in the past couple of days regarding > the rising ACL effort and my concerns about it. > > I *desperately* want this kind of grass-roots enthusiast community > effort. I do NOT want to kill it. But I've learned

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Travis Rodman
Hello All: The issue seems to balance control against growth (along the lines Apache wants to foster). A way to do this would be to ensure there is a clear Apache entity, where the ideals and standards can be learned on these topics. As new issues arise, positions should be considered and d

Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative

2019-12-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Appoliges. My spam folder seems to be getting over zealous. I need to do some work on that thanks for flagging. --- Sent from my phone, you know what that means - sorry From: Rich Bowen Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 11:26:54 AM To: dev@community.apache.org ; Ro

Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative

2019-12-06 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/6/19 1:15 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: There should not be a discussion on a prepare list. Please bring that discussion here. This is a core part of the Apache Way. The discussion is now actively ongoing, on this list. And Swapnil (and others) are participating in that thread. The private

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/6/19 12:19 PM, Austin Bennett wrote: The bits on mentorship make some sense, although I am confused. If about who is allowed/endorsed to speak on behalf of the ASF, then: * Should only speakers at events be of a condoned status (how are they vetted)? No, I think that's overkill. Havi

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Alex Harui
And that's why I suggested required disclaimers. Big events have disclaimers. That way, Apache is not endorsing their message as 100% accurate on behalf of the foundation, just their attempt to get the message out. Sounds like Rich will make sure there is some ASF-experienced people involved,

Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative

2019-12-06 Thread Ross Gardler
There should not be a discussion on a prepare list. Please bring that discussion here. This is a core part of the Apache Way. --- Sent from my phone, you know what that means - sorry From: Swapnil M Mane Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:06:31 AM To: dev Cc

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Austin Bennett
The bits on mentorship make some sense, although I am confused. If about who is allowed/endorsed to speak on behalf of the ASF, then: * Should only speakers at events be of a condoned status (how are they vetted)? or: * Would a required minimum number of mentors (PMC/Foundation members) be requir

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/4/19 5:56 PM, Issac Goldstand wrote: On Dec 4, 2019 22:15, Rich Bowen wrote:    . But I've learned from Fedora user    groups that allowing any random stranger to start up a group, using our    Trademarks, to promote whatever message comes into their head, is    *going* to bite u

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Rich Bowen
Some responses/thoughts inline. Thank you, Swapnil, for your constructive engagement in this conversation. I *hugely* appreciate you taking on this initiative, and your willingness to hear, and respond professionally to, criticism. On 12/5/19 12:31 AM, Swapnil M Mane wrote: Thank you all for

Re: ALC, and who can speak on behalf of Apache

2019-12-06 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/5/19 12:10 PM, Alex Harui wrote: From the peanut gallery: IMO, without a formal training/certification program, what even an ASF Member understands about the Apache Way, not to mention committers who are not members, is up for grabs. It is essentially the party game "telephone" whe

回复:[ALC] Request to setup ALC in Beijing

2019-12-06 Thread Liu Ted
A big +1 and I'm based in Beijing where I can help out. Ted Liu, ASF Member 2019 年 12 月 3 日周二 10:51,Willem Jiang 写道: Hi, I'm Apache member and there are bunch of Apache project developers in Beijing I know.  ALC just give us a very good excuse to hand out and hold meetup together. Regards,