Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Nóirín Plunkett
Chris, On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I was talking with Greg, and I think I'm OK with org.apacheextras as > the namespace. Thanks for your patience :-) I wasn't trying to discount your proposals, and I appreciate that you'd created a patch--I w

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 29, 2011 7:16 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > > Hey Mike, > > Thanks for your reply. I get the analogy. More comments below. > > On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Mike Kienenberger wrote: > >

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 29 December 2011 20:29, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: >>> If you are saying this is compatible with ALv2 ? Then why use Apache >>> Extras instead of just the oodt SVN official repo in Apache ? >> >> But that's exactly the point! It is NOT AL

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 29 December 2011 20:50, Mark Struberg wrote: >> they include runtime dependencies (via Maven2) on LGPL code. > Basically I like the apacheextras idea, but it _must_ be made clear > that > apacheextras has it's own rules which are _not_ ASF business. > The current http://apacheextras.org is rea

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 30 December 2011 08:21, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > wrote: >> I'm also of the mindset that the PMC should be the ones saying ... >> if they are OK with my oodt-pushpull-plugins Extras name and >> to me it should be fine if the PMC is

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Luciano Resende
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 29 December 2011 20:50, Mark Struberg wrote: >>> they include runtime dependencies (via Maven2) on LGPL code. >> Basically I like the apacheextras idea, but it _must_ be made clear > that >> apacheextras has it's own rules which are _not_

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Ross Gardler
I did try, before sending the below mail, with the the accounts I have: rgard...@opendirective.com rgard...@apache.org ross.gard...@gmail.com I don't see any admin options. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Dec 30, 2011 3:11 PM, "Luciano Resende" wrote: > On Fri

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Ross Gardler
On 29 December 2011 20:23, Mark Struberg wrote: ... > Would it be possible to have it under the package org.apacheextras ? That's a good suggestion. We'd need to check with trademarks (cc'd) but personally I think this would be OK. CONTEXT for trademarks: a PMC wants to put some code on apache

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Luciano Resende
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I did try, before sending the below mail, with the the accounts I have: > > Ross DOT gardler AT gmail.com > > I don't see any admin options. > Using your gmail account mentioned above, go to the following link http://code.google.com/a/apache

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I did try, before sending the below mail, with the the accounts I have: > > rgard...@opendirective.com > rgard...@apache.org > ross.gard...@gmail.com > > I don't see any admin options. Hm you should have? http://code.google.com/a/apache-extra

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Noirin, On Dec 30, 2011, at 12:21 AM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: > Chris, > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > wrote: >> Hey Guys, >> >> I was talking with Greg, and I think I'm OK with org.apacheextras as >> the namespace. > > Thanks for your patience :-) I wasn't

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Benson Margulies
There are two aspects of this situation that I want to highlight: First, there's a policy tension at the heart of the whole Apache Extras concept that has me puzzled. I could point to a raft of messages from board members expressing extremely vehement views in opposition to 'circumventing license

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Ross, On Dec 30, 2011, at 2:27 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > [...snip...] > Nothing in that quote says "using Apache marks", furthermore later sections > prohibit the use of or marks. Therefore it would be a loophole if those > clauses were not there. The clauses in our terms need to be read in th

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Dec 30, 2011, at 3:11 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 29 December 2011 20:29, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: If you are saying this is compatible with ALv2 ? Then why use Apache Extras instead of just the oodt SVN official repo in Ap

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Ross, On Dec 30, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 30 December 2011 08:21, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) >> wrote: >>> I'm also of the mindset that the PMC should be the ones saying > > ... > >>> if they are OK with my oodt-p

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Benson, You honed in on PRECISELY the 2 points I was trying to make. Thanks for making them so succinctly. One thing I will comment on explicitly (read below): On Dec 30, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > There are two aspects of this situation that I want to highlight: > > First, the

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Benson, > > You honed in on PRECISELY the 2 points I was trying to make. > Thanks for making them so succinctly. One thing I will comment > on explicitly (read below): > > On Dec 30, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > >>

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Benson, On Dec 30, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > So, this leaves me with two questions: could comdev write a less > comprehensive set of verbs here within the existing board@ mandate? > And is there any point to a discussion on board@ about the starting > point of all this: comm

Re: Apache Extras Question

2011-12-30 Thread Nick Burch
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011, Benson Margulies wrote: Second, I wonder about the proposed governance and logic of this whole 'java package id rules' business. Here's a scenario: someone from outside Apache fills out the form, creates a project, and *forks some Apache project into it.* Bingo, 'org.apache.*