On 09/12/14 23:53, Jesse Nicholson wrote:
You made it clear you're in maintenance mode and that this project is
actually for corporate interest when you told me to hush and not use words
that might upset adobe customers.
You can say what you like about Adobe.
I've been out spoken about what I
Hi,
Even if AS / Flex isn't as popular as it once was we do still get quite a bit
of interest. The Flex web site gets 3/4 of a million visits a year. There's
been 20,000+ users of TourDdFlex over the past few months, the last SDK version
has had more than 10,000+ installs of the SDK via the
Hi All,
I'm convinced that there are a lot of developers out there who are still
committed to Flex. Many of us (as I am) aren't nearly as good as you committers
so we rely on you to keep up the fantastic work you're doing!
Respect!!
Dany
Op 10 dec 2014 om 10:51 uur uur schreef Justin Mclean
is fantastic.
Flex will continue to evolve over the years as the industry changes.
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Dany Dhondt [mailto:archeme...@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:07 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
Hi All,
I'm convinced
Here's the thing. Since Adobe donated Flex to the Apache Project, I've
made a lot of money on the excellent work of many of my colleagues here at
Apache. I've made enough to pay my mortgage, utilities, buy a new car and
be very comfortable. Sure, the number of web projects involving Flex is on
Personally, I would see a lot of value to re-engineering the MXML
components we're familiar with using Angular Directives or custom Polymer
tags, then make the other services, such as data binding, HTTP services,
etc., additional libraries that can be included as needed using Bower or
something
Sent: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
I don’t think that’s correct. Unless I’m mistaken, the AIR iOS runtime is
written in Objective C from the get-go. (Although it might be written in
C++. Dunno…)
Whether or not it makes sense to rewrite the AIR iOS runtime
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
I don’t think that’s correct. Unless I’m mistaken, the AIR iOS runtime
is
written in Objective C from the get-go. (Although it might be written in
C++. Dunno…)
Whether or not it makes sense to rewrite the AIR iOS runtime in Swift is
an entirely
within the framework itself so that you could reuse a lot
of the web standards code that's out there.
David
-Original Message-
From: Jesse Nicholson ascensionsyst...@gmail.com
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
My 2 cents
that's out there.
David
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From: Jesse Nicholson ascensionsyst...@gmail.com
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
My 2 cents is that the project should be focusing on moving away from a
third-party, proprietary
ascensionsyst...@gmail.com
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
My 2 cents is that the project should be focusing on moving away from a
third-party, proprietary and frankly dead platform. I'm also not sure
what
actionscript 4 has
that
you
could reuse a lot of the web standards code that's out there.
David
-Original Message-
From: Jesse Nicholson ascensionsyst...@gmail.com
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
My 2 cents
Like I said I'm new here, I respect everyone, I don't mean to be the
armchair expert at flex and the apache-flex community. But, perhaps part of
the issues faced here is a lack of a clear goal for the future and a lack
of a clear, independent identity, as a product and a team.
I forgot to mention something that I think is worth mentioning with regard
to the debate of can pure JS/HTML do what the flash runtime can. To
answer that, just look at Mozilla Shumway, a full blown AVM2 virtual
machine written in pure JS. Too bad it didn't have some kind of AOT
functionality.:)
The beauty of open source is that we don't have to first agree on a
direction before we start.
Folks are free to post their ideas and start working on what they think is
the right path forward.
If they can prove that it is a feasible path, others will start following
them.
FlexJS is there for
I understand, maybe Javascript is the future, I am not against it, the
problem is now it is not working now.
when javascript is ready, what is the difference between actionscript and
javascript?
For complex UI system, it has to be based on OOP/Modularization, never the
syntax of a particular
On 12/9/2014 4:23 PM, Jesse Nicholson wrote:
I also disagree that the value of flex is an extension of Flash. I
believe that's actually it's curse.
It is a desert topping and a floor wax. (
http://www.break.com/video/ugc/snl-new-shimmer-commercial-704661 )
My perception is that reliance
Didn't you just publish a book to help people migrate away from Flex,
implying that it's dead because it's stuck on flash?
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com wrote:
On 12/9/2014 4:23 PM, Jesse Nicholson wrote:
I also disagree that the value of flex is an
https://www.lifeafterflex.com/AngularJSForFlexDevelopers/ That is you,
right?
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Jesse Nicholson ascensionsyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
Didn't you just publish a book to help people migrate away from Flex,
implying that it's dead because it's stuck on flash?
On Tue,
My 10 cents below...
On 12/9/14, 1:23 PM, Jesse Nicholson ascensionsyst...@gmail.com wrote:
With all due respect Gary, I just finished making a project management
application for a client that is pure HTML/JS and runs on all browsers.
The
application looks like the latest version of office, that
It's a bit sad to see these (or rather any) truths dismissed as FUD. Adobe
abandoned this project, pulled flash support for what few mobile platforms
it had left, dropped updating the flex ide, and has publicly stated in
their roadmap that their future focus is HTML5/JS. But yeah, my comment
that
On 12/9/2014 5:03 PM, Jesse Nicholson wrote:
Didn't you just publish a book
I call it a training course, but there are books that are part of it.
to help people migrate away from Flex
It was intended as a compare/contrast between Flex and AngularJS. I
don't expect anyone will migrate
Hi Jesse,
Welcome to the group. You're perspective is welcome. But one thing I'm sick
of hearing and have to disagree with is the Flash is dead argument. If it's
in use it's not dead. It's used by over 2 billion people and used regularly
to create mobile AIR apps. The browser can't compete yet and
On 12/9/2014 5:05 PM, Jesse Nicholson wrote:
Adobe abandoned this project,
From my perspective, Adobe has been very supportive of this project.
I don't think it gets the manpower that it did when Flex was part of
Adobe's long-term commercial vision to get the Developer crowd, but I
@Jude, tbh I skimmed over half of your post. I didn't say plugins are bad,
at all, ever. Did you click the links I posted here? Did you see a full
blown actionscript virtual machine in pure JS that emulates everything
flash does in the browser? I'm not really sure there is anything more to
say
Like Jude said, welcome to the group. Since you are new, you may have
missed folks who occasionally ask if, for example Flash Player version N
is going to stop running their existing Flex apps. These folks can have
significant investments in large code bases and it would be very stressful
and
Face the reality, the majority will mark their resume HTML5 developer after
Apple said No Flash on Ipad, even they do not know what it means.
the way I see it, Flex should fight with its advantages which is Flash
Platform. there are too many javascript frameworks already.
You can say
There are lots of advantages to Flex beyond Flash, and FlexJS is leveraging
those advantages.
FWIW, here’s my perspective from a while back, but it’s still relevant.
http://printui.com/blog/2013/01/flex-flash/
Harbs
On Dec 10, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Gary Yang flashflex...@gmail.com wrote:
Face
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson ascensionsyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
@Jude, tbh I skimmed over half of your post.
Not cool. I think you should go back and read it because he makes a lot of
sense.
I didn't say plugins are bad,
at all, ever. Did you click the links I posted
@Gary Yang.
Cant agree more.
The first time i heard about FlexJS (no offense to the work of the people
working on it) I knew Flex is in a really bad position. Why would one use
ActionScript to cross compile to JS ? The time Flex JS is mature to be 10%
usable things like GWT, TypeScript, Dart
Exactly. No one wants to use a dead language for a dead platform to compile
to javascript, when especially with Typescript, it's nearly syntaticaly
identical to AS, but not targetting a dusty old dead platform. A one-time
compilation of course to source should take place to translate this to
Okay so,
you may have missed folks who occasionally ask if, for example Flash
Player version N is going to stop running their existing Flex apps. These
folks can have significant investments in large code bases and it would be
very stressful and expensive from them to have to rush to get off of
It works in Chrome as well. But that doesn't matter. It's not full blown
because it's not a complete product. Besides, its a stupid toy project
meant to demonstrate running a fast VM inside a fast VM. His post is
retarded, he's a flash developer in denial that his career path is over.
Apparently
Why should an hypothetical Flex 5 only care about JS? I don't get it, there
are a lot of us who don't use Flash for the web ever (I know, JS is not
just for the web, but outside of it it loses a lot of power). If you want
to move away from Flash I'd say Haxe is way more convenient.
On Tue, Dec 9,
How do I unsubscribe from the apache morticians of private corporate
interest list?
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Jesse Nicholson ascensionsyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
It works in Chrome as well. But that doesn't matter. It's not full blown
because it's not a complete product. Besides, its a
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Jesse Nicholson ascensionsyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
How do I unsubscribe from the apache morticians of private corporate
interest list?
Step by step instructions are here:
http://flex.apache.org/community-mailinglists.html
Thanks,
Om
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at
On 12/9/14, 2:54 PM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote:
@Gary Yang.
Cant agree more.
Why would one use
ActionScript to cross compile to JS ?
Because there are millions of lines of existing AS and MXML code out there
and those who want to reduce the cost of getting that code to run in
@Alex.
Like I said before No offense to the work you guys put into FlexJS.
From a technical point of view a fascinating effort.
But the question is how do you plan to compete against stuff like GWT,
Typescript, Dart ?
Feel free to get going on the things in your list.
I think I showed my work
On 12/9/14, 2:56 PM, Jesse Nicholson ascensionsyst...@gmail.com wrote:
Okay so,
you may have missed folks who occasionally ask if, for example Flash
Player version N is going to stop running their existing Flex apps. These
folks can have significant investments in large code bases and it
You made it clear you're in maintenance mode and that this project is
actually for corporate interest when you told me to hush and not use words
that might upset adobe customers. I think the broken piece of garbage mail
unsubscribe function might work this time (3rd time), so I probably won't
see
On 12/9/14, 3:48 PM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote:
@Alex.
Like I said before No offense to the work you guys put into FlexJS.
From a technical point of view a fascinating effort.
But the question is how do you plan to compete against stuff like GWT,
Typescript, Dart ?
I don’t
Judging by the levels of understanding I've witnessed here...
I don't think you came here to contribute to the project. I think you came
here to vent. Let it out...
At the end of the day I just want to create cool websites, apps and
experiences. I don't care if Flash or AIR is popular or not.
but I guess
we'll have to wait and continue to ask Adobe to work on it.
David
-Original Message-
From: Harbs harbs.li...@gmail.com
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
I don’t think that’s correct. Unless I’m mistaken
Really? The only way I know of outputting ActionScript for iOS is using AIR for
iOS which is just a swf with an embedded runtime.
On Jun 5, 2014, at 4:26 AM, f...@dfguy.us wrote:
There's already the ability to cross compile to objective c for iOS
code is purely
just a licensing and not a technical limitation that imposed by Apple.
David
-Original Message-
From: Harbs harbs.li...@gmail.com
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
Really? The only way I know of outputting
2014 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
Really? The only way I know of outputting ActionScript for iOS is using AIR
for iOS which is just a swf with an embedded runtime.
On Jun 5, 2014, at 4:26 AM, f...@dfguy.us wrote:
There's already the ability to cross compile to objective c
features. The limitation on loading compiled byte code is purely just a
licensing and not a technical limitation that imposed by Apple.
As I understand it, it is mostly a security feature. They don't want any
VMs that can potentially run 'arbitrary' (unsigned) code inside one big
sandbox.
guess we'll have to
wait and continue to ask Adobe to work on it.
David
-Original Message-
From: Harbs harbs.li...@gmail.com
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
I don’t think that’s correct. Unless I’m mistaken, the AIR iOS runtime
Maybe we should do a FlexSwift and call that Flex 5 ;-)
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 1:13 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com
wrote:
From my point of view, Flex mobile should be a big part of Flex 5. To that
end, I am hoping that the Android 4.x and iOS7+ skins I am working on make
it
In all honesty, what I would envision as Flex 5 would continue the work
done for FlexJS with the compiler to allow us to write once and compile to
multiple target runtimes. Unfortunately, right now we are pretty limited in
viable runtime options for mass deployment, either to the Flash Player or
on the flex framework etc.
David
-Original Message-
From: Nick Collins ndcoll...@gmail.com
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
Maybe we should do a FlexSwift and call that Flex 5 ;-)
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 1:13 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
Hi all,
I am surprised that I have not seen any related topics.
Flex has been there for almost 10 years.
Flex4 has been there since 2009( right? before iOS )?
What do you think about its future?
What do you expect it to do?
Best,
-Gary
I have the same question..
On 3 Jun 2014 20:28, Gary Yang flashflex...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I am surprised that I have not seen any related topics.
Flex has been there for almost 10 years.
Flex4 has been there since 2009( right? before iOS )?
What do you think about its future?
In the context of Apache and Open Source a better question to ask is:
What do you want it to do?
What effort are you willing to put in to make it so?
On 6/3/2014 11:02 AM, Madhu Dutta wrote:
I have the same question..
On 3 Jun 2014 20:28, Gary Yang flashflex...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I think it’s called FlexJS… ;-)
Harbs
On Jun 3, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Gary Yang flashflex...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I am surprised that I have not seen any related topics.
Flex has been there for almost 10 years.
Flex4 has been there since 2009( right? before iOS )?
What do you think
Come on!!!
Websocket is ready! Workers will be ready soon! AGAL2 is coming!
When you have a table of seafood, you don't want to rob the tramp any more!
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Harbs harbs.li...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it’s called FlexJS… ;-)
Harbs
On Jun 3, 2014, at 5:58 PM,
So, I guess that’s the answer to Jeffery’s question.
If you want to add those features to Flex, I don’t think you’d hear anyone
complain! :-)
Harbs
On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Gary Yang flashflex...@gmail.com wrote:
Come on!!!
Websocket is ready! Workers will be ready soon! AGAL2 is
Subject: Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
I think it's called FlexJS... ;-)
Harbs
On Jun 3, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Gary Yang flashflex...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I am surprised that I have not seen any related topics.
Flex has been there for almost 10 years.
Flex4 has been there since 2009( right
Code generator based on template, the template read from DB.
2014-06-03 9:58 GMT-05:00 Gary Yang flashflex...@gmail.com:
Hi all,
I am surprised that I have not seen any related topics.
Flex has been there for almost 10 years.
Flex4 has been there since 2009( right? before iOS )?
What
I would expect it to run out of the flashplayer context, using its own free
and open source virtual machine, far away from the Javascript rubbish.
2014-06-03 11:37 GMT-04:00 Roberto Cotrina rcotrina1...@gmail.com:
Code generator based on template, the template read from DB.
2014-06-03 9:58
From my point of view, Flex mobile should be a big part of Flex 5. To that
end, I am hoping that the Android 4.x and iOS7+ skins I am working on make
it into Flex 5.
Thanks,
Om
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Carlos Velasco
carlos.velasco.bla...@gmail.com wrote:
I would expect it to run out
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