Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-22 Thread Mathias Herberts
Graham Leggett wrote: Hi all, I've been keen to do some digging for reasons why someone might need to install httpd v1.3 instead of v2.0 or later. Support for mod_backhand seems to be a significant reason (and getting backhand ported to v2.0 would be a win): Apart from backhand, are there in

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-22 Thread Nick Kew
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Mathias Herberts wrote: The main reason why we are not migrating to 2 is related to bug 17877 I filed for Apache 1.3 last year. Erm, you file a bug report for Apache 1 and treat it as a reason not to upgrade to apache 2? Should I Cc: this to Scott Adams? If you'd filed a

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-22 Thread Mathias Herberts
Nick Kew wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Mathias Herberts wrote: The main reason why we are not migrating to 2 is related to bug 17877 I filed for Apache 1.3 last year. Erm, you file a bug report for Apache 1 and treat it as a reason not to upgrade to apache 2? Should I Cc: this to Scott Adams?

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-22 Thread Nick Kew
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Mathias Herberts wrote: Nick Kew wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Mathias Herberts wrote: The main reason why we are not migrating to 2 is related to bug 17877 I filed for Apache 1.3 last year. Erm, you file a bug report for Apache 1 and treat it as a reason not to

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Nick Kew wrote: Well, mod_proxy in Apache 1.x doesn't claim to be HTTP/1.1, so there's no reason it should be expected to support chunked encoding. And since Apache 1.x is a maintenance-only product not in active development, that's not too likely to change - ever. The mod_proxy in v1.3 does

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-19 Thread Klaus Wagner
Hi, another reason may be mod_perl, althought mod_perl 2.0 is available for quite some time, and there is a good documentation how to migrate applications, many applications based on mod_perl haven't done so. The problem is not the same as for mod_php. mod_php 4.* has been available for apache

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-19 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:43:17 -0600, Graham Leggett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart from backhand, are there in the experience of the people on this list any other significant apps out there that are keeping people from deploying httpd

RE: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-19 Thread Guernsey, Byron \(GE Consumer Industrial\)
We continue to have 1.3 servers because the Enhydra Director module, needed for Enydra Application Server version 3, has not been ported to Apache 2. The reason is that the Enhydra folks have long since abandoned the protocol and now use AJP13, for which there is already mod_jk2 and the AJP13

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-19 Thread Peter Friend
I don't work in the same group anymore, so I am not sure where we are with the 2. versions. I do know that we have large number of custom hacks in there, including one I did many moons ago for supporting hundreds of thousands of name based virtual hosts without having to enter them in the

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-19 Thread Cliff Woolley
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Peter Friend wrote: I don't work in the same group anymore, so I am not sure where we are with the 2. versions. I do know that we have large number of custom hacks in there, including one I did many moons ago for supporting hundreds of thousands of name based virtual

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Nathanael Noblet
On Nov 18, 2004, at 11:43 AM, Graham Leggett wrote: Hi all, I've been keen to do some digging for reasons why someone might need to install httpd v1.3 instead of v2.0 or later. Support for mod_backhand seems to be a significant reason (and getting backhand ported to v2.0 would be a win): Apart

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Amaury Jacquot
On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 13:43 -0600, Graham Leggett wrote: Hi all, I've been keen to do some digging for reasons why someone might need to install httpd v1.3 instead of v2.0 or later. Support for mod_backhand seems to be a significant reason (and getting backhand ported to v2.0 would be a

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Ivan Ristic
Nathanael Noblet wrote: On Nov 18, 2004, at 11:43 AM, Graham Leggett wrote: Hi all, I've been keen to do some digging for reasons why someone might need to install httpd v1.3 instead of v2.0 or later. Support for mod_backhand seems to be a significant reason (and getting backhand

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Jeffrey Burgoyne
Interesting question. I have just done a large scale review of our web server architecture and have recommended a move to 2.0. There were a number of factors for not moving, both specific to our installation as well as in general. In general : Remeber the old adage If it is not broke, do not fix

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
A can think of 4 big reasons, two from a developer standpoint and two from an admin. developer: 1. Builds and compiles in a minute, rather than several. This means you can play around and develop more and compile less. 2. More streamlined design; for some filters,

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Ivan Ristic
Jim Jagielski wrote: A can think of 4 big reasons, two from a developer standpoint and two from an admin. developer: 1. Builds and compiles in a minute, rather than several. This means you can play around and develop more and compile less. 2. More streamlined

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Nathanael Noblet
On Nov 18, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Ivan Ristic wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: A can think of 4 big reasons, two from a developer standpoint and two from an admin. developer: 1. Builds and compiles in a minute, rather than several. This means you can play around and develop more and compile

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Matthieu Estrade
I think people rely on apache 1.3 stability and security. many people consider httpd-2.0 as too young and don't try to understand why it's better. Does somebody have some percentage about 1.3 use and 2.0 ? I don't think 1.3 is still here because of modules, there is too many modules and too

RE: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Brett Lentz \(Excell Data Corporation\)
Please don't forget: 1. Solaris 10 is shipping with 1.3.31 2. OpenBSD's fork of 1.3 --Brett. Systems Administrator, RHCE -Original Message- From: Graham Leggett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: People still using v1.3

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Matthieu Estrade
Brett Lentz (Excell Data Corporation) wrote: Please don't forget: 1. Solaris 10 is shipping with 1.3.31 Redhat is shipping 2.0 for long time now 2. OpenBSD's fork of 1.3 openbsd and the theocracy ?? hahaha cool let them continue with 1.3 --Brett. Systems Administrator, RHCE -Original

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Ian Holsman
Matthieu Estrade wrote: I think people rely on apache 1.3 stability and security. many people consider httpd-2.0 as too young and don't try to understand why it's better. Does somebody have some percentage about 1.3 use and 2.0 ? I don't think 1.3 is still here because of modules, there is too

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 01:53 PM 11/18/2004, Nathanael Noblet wrote: On Nov 18, 2004, at 11:43 AM, Graham Leggett wrote: I've been keen to do some digging for reasons why someone might need to install httpd v1.3 instead of v2.0 or later. I think there is still a thought that php isn't mature on 2.x. (I'm using it)

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Jeff White
From: Graham Leggett are there in the experience of the people on this list any other significant apps out there that are keeping people from deploying httpd v2.x? Because there can only be one number one! ASF told them over and over again that it is number one. (rightly or not) The

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Wayne S. Frazee
Personally, I have seen some hosting providers which I have talked to (and worked with) hold back because existing client's htaccess scripts sometimes experience quirks under 2.0. In one case I have been privvy to, a test implementation was done with a server that was practically a replica of

Re: People still using v1.3 - finding out why

2004-11-18 Thread Leif W
Graham Leggett , Thursday, November 18, 2004 14:43Hi all, I've been keen to do some digging for reasons why someone might need to install httpd v1.3 instead of v2.0 or later. I have no idea. Stupidity, laziness, fear of change. Maybe it's modules. The bandwidth throttling module might be a