Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-24 Thread Micah Martin
I had tried out one of the windows installer and a mac installer. They've done some nice work on these to incorporate a JRuby theme. Other than that, I didn't notice any significantly differences. I suppose the mac installer took quite a bit longer than I would have liked, but not a big

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-24 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
This is awesome, thank you. I don't know if I'll have a chance to look at it until I'm back in the states, but hopefully others can try them out. Others: Try them out :) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Daniel Lopez wrote: > Hi > > Please find below some quick proof of concepts we have created fo

[jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-22 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi Please find below some quick proof of concepts we have created for Linux, Windows and Mac. They still need to be improved, but you get the idea of what can be done with Installbuilder. The installations are self-contained and by executing jrubyconsole you can have an environment properly setup

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-22 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi > Package manager does look _fairly_ intuitive... There are advantages to installers vs. native packages, mainly: - Ability to install multiple times, in different prefixes, to maintain different environments - Ability to install as a regular user - Ability to ask questions / guide the user d

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-22 Thread Andrew Chalkley
Package manager does look _fairly_ intuitive... Regards Andrew 2009/7/22 Micah Martin : > I totally agree with using Package Maker for mac installer.  That's what I'd > expect. > > I posted sample windows installers and tweeted about them.  Here's the link: > > http://bit.ly/k4faS > > Micah > >

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Micah Martin
I totally agree with using Package Maker for mac installer. That's what I'd expect. I posted sample windows installers and tweeted about them. Here's the link: http://bit.ly/k4faS Micah On Jul 21, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Micah Mar

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Micah Martin wrote: > Just to be clear I didn't purchase Install4j.  I just asked for a free > open source license.  So it's no sweat off my back if you choose not to use > it.  I've been meaning to chip in on JRuby for a while.  I'm just happy to > help. > > Th

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
Yeah, having looked at both, the "Windows" look is obviously ok for Windows and probably ok for Linux (since Linux installers usually look and feel like ass anyway), but for OS X having a real pkg installer would be best. Here's another topic for discussion...when installing JRuby in a global loca

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Yehuda Katz
I've been pretty unimpressed with the OSX versions of both installers under consideration. Would it have been too hard to wire up PackageMaker? An OSX installer should look and smell like other OSX installers, not a reskinned Windows installer :( -- Yehuda On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Micah Ma

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Micah Martin
Just to be clear I didn't purchase Install4j. I just asked for a free open source license. So it's no sweat off my back if you choose not to use it. I've been meaning to chip in on JRuby for a while. I'm just happy to help. The installers I built with Install4j are just quick stab,

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Daniel Lopez
> Also very nice, since we could even have an openjdk7 JRuby package > that supports all the cool new invokedynamic stuff at some point. If at all possible (and independently of which tool you end up using) we highly advocate having at least a downloadable version that bundles the JRE (significant

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi Charles, Sorry for the confusion. We are happy to maintain and create the installer, but as with all our commercial customers, we would provide you with everything necessary so you can re-create the builds on your side (for example to include as part of nightly builds) without having to wait fo

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
Since Micah already purchased and built an installer...maybe we just point people to both of them? I think Install4J is more focused on Windows, is that correct? Both options sound really great...so I don't know how to choose which one to make the "official" installer. My key points would be: 1.

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Martin Gajdos wrote: > Please also take a look at these features from the BitRock product: > > - Automatically detect existing Java installations in the user's system. Very nice... > - Easily bundle a JVM with your application. Also very nice, since we could even

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Martin Gajdos wrote: > Hi Stephen > Unfortunately not, but I think we should just send them a Ideally we need to be able to build our own installers...the BitRock stuff looks great, especially with the JVM integration, but we can't be forced to wait after a release

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi Stephen, everybody > Do you have any (or know of any) open examples of a scripts for creating and > easily maintaining a JRubyStack-type of deployment. We can share the JRubyStack XML project files, but since you are interested just in JRuby and that is relatively straightforward, they will no

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-21 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi Micah, Thanks, I was not aware of your work. We are happy with whatever option you choose, of course. We already have JRuby-based projects going on, so we will keep maintaining our current installers in any case. I will be sending a separate email shortly answering some of the original question

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-20 Thread Micah Martin
That's quite an offer Daniel made. That's great that BitRock would be willing to build and maintain the installer. I have no affiliation with ej technologies so I don't really care what the outcome of this discussion is. But for what it's worth, I did acquire an Install4J license donated

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-19 Thread Stephen Bannasch
At 6:38 PM +0200 7/18/09, Daniel Lopez wrote: Hi, Sorry I am late to the conversation :) We at BitRock will be happy to provide free licenses for JRuby and to create and maintain the installer (or help whoever wishes to create / maintain it) to your specificications. We have some experience pa

[jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-18 Thread Daniel Lopez
Hi, Sorry I am late to the conversation :)   We at BitRock will be happy to provide free licenses for JRuby and to create and maintain the installer (or help whoever wishes to create / maintain it) to your specificications. We have some experience packaging JRuby apps, having packaged JRubyStack a

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-17 Thread Martin Gajdos
Hi Stephen Unfortunately not, but I think we should just send them a Sent from my iPhone On 17.07.2009, at 22:57, Stephen Bannasch > wrote: At 10:31 AM +0200 7/17/09, Martin Gajdos wrote: I just discovered a JRuby Stack installer from the guys over at bitnami.org , which uses BitRocket: htt

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-17 Thread Stephen Bannasch
At 10:31 AM +0200 7/17/09, Martin Gajdos wrote: I just discovered a JRuby Stack installer from the guys over at bitnami.org, which uses BitRocket: http://bitnami.org/stack/jrubystack It supports Mac, Windows & Linux. I think we could use t

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-17 Thread Martin Gajdos
Of course we would have to strip out Glassfish, MySQL etc. from the package, since Bitnami provides a complete stack. Nonetheless, it would provide a good, speed base for the installer in my opinion. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Martin Gajdos wrote: > I just discovered a JRuby Stack install

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-17 Thread Martin Gajdos
I just discovered a JRuby Stack installer from the guys over at bitnami.org, which uses BitRocket: http://bitnami.org/stack/jrubystack It supports Mac, Windows & Linux. I think we could use that one or use it as a starting point. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Martin Gajdos wrote: > Please als

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-17 Thread Martin Gajdos
Please also take a look at these features from the BitRock product: - Automatically detect existing Java installations in the user's system. - Easily bundle a JVM with your application. - Crossplatform Build Support : The installer builder tool can run on Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, Fr

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-16 Thread Michael Johann
+1 Am 17.07.2009 um 08:34 schrieb Martin Gajdos: I think using such a product would perfectly make sense. It makes updating the installer for new versions so much easier, since there are no platform specific installers to target, just one for all. On 17.07.2009, at 05:25, Micah Martin wro

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-16 Thread Martin Gajdos
I think using such a product would perfectly make sense. It makes updating the installer for new versions so much easier, since there are no platform specific installers to target, just one for all. On 17.07.2009, at 05:25, Micah Martin wrote: I've had a good experience using Install4J to b

Re: [jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-16 Thread Charles Oliver Nutter
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Micah Martin wrote: > I've had a good experience using Install4J to build installers for > Limelight.  Although I've only used it a little bit, I'm told that it's > among the best installer options for Java. > >  * You configure Install4J once and it'll pop out ins

[jruby-dev] JRuby Installer

2009-07-16 Thread Micah Martin
I've had a good experience using Install4J to build installers for Limelight. Although I've only used it a little bit, I'm told that it's among the best installer options for Java. * You configure Install4J once and it'll pop out installers for Windows, Mac, and Linux in one build. Quite