Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-25 Thread Grant Ingersoll
Hoss, you and I should see if we can wrangle some of the SVN guys at ApacheCon and see if we can get this stuff straightened out. On Oct 24, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote: Another downside to the current situation - svn log shows all these updates to the mergeprops, so we're losing the

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-24 Thread Yonik Seeley
Another downside to the current situation - svn log shows all these updates to the mergeprops, so we're losing the real updates in the noise. Maybe we should try to merge only from trunk to branch_3x, so at least trunk says relatively clean. Making sense of branch_3x is getting very difficult.

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-20 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Robert Muir wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Michael McCandless luc...@mikemccandless.com wrote: Hmm but how does this explain how the number of mergeprops has grown so much recently? I think recent merges have generally been toplevel? i introduced

RE: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-20 Thread Uwe Schindler
No. Once the files have a property they have it irreversible. This is why single-file merges are a no-go. - Uwe Schindler H.-H.-Meier-Allee 63, D-28213 Bremen http://www.thetaphi.de eMail: u...@thetaphi.de -Original Message- From: Grant Ingersoll [mailto:gsing...@apache.org]

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-20 Thread Robert Muir
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: Couldn't 3.x move contrib/analysis to modules?  We could just move it to contrib as part of the release packaging  if the goal is to be consistent, but otherwise who cares where it is located? Would that reduce

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Michael McCandless
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote:  It was just a bit of a shocker for me the first time I did it and I see like 30 files changed when I only changed one file. Me too. In fact I think it's ridiculous -- violates principle of least surprise. I

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Upayavira
FWIW, the commit notices are just an SVN post-commit hook that uses the svn-mailer tool [http://opensource.perlig.de/svnmailer/]. I believe Grant has commit rights to that file - it is in the infra SVN right next to the old asf-auth file. Right now I have no idea whether svn-mailer can support

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Upayavira wrote: FWIW, the commit notices are just an SVN post-commit hook that uses the svn-mailer tool [http://opensource.perlig.de/svnmailer/]. I believe Grant has commit rights to that file - it is in the infra SVN right next to the old asf-auth file. Yes, I

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Hostetter
: FWIW, I get the sense that a lot of other projects deal with merges. What do they do? I suspect they do merges properly and avoid this problem entirely. Bottom Line: if *all* merges happen at the top level, then this problem won't exist -- mergeinfo props get added to individual files only

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Oct 19, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote: : FWIW, I get the sense that a lot of other projects deal with merges. What do they do? I suspect they do merges properly and avoid this problem entirely. Bottom Line: if *all* merges happen at the top level, then this problem

RE: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Uwe Schindler
Hi Grant, The individual merges are there since long time. And the additional ones came in later. As I said before (answer to first mail on this thread): The problem is that once a file gets a separate merge property not inherited from its parent folder, this merge prop must be updated on every

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Michael McCandless
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: I will go take a look at it, but as far as I could tell, I merged at the top level, but maybe IntelliJ does individual file merges and I wasn't aware of it (I believe I said merge trunk to branch_3x and then picked

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Robert Muir
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Michael McCandless luc...@mikemccandless.com wrote: Hmm but how does this explain how the number of mergeprops has grown so much recently?  I think recent merges have generally been toplevel? i introduced a lot of them by combining trunk's analyzers into

RE: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Uwe Schindler
Hi Upayavira, Thanks for the hint. Indeed with changing the config file (which allows special configs for specific subtrees of the svn, so we can do it only for Lucene), we can do it very easy: http://opensource.perlig.de/svnmailer/doc-1.0/#groups-generate-diffs The generate_diffs option

RE: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-19 Thread Uwe Schindler
(I am allowed to see it). I mean: (if I am allowed to see it.) - Uwe Schindler H.-H.-Meier-Allee 63, D-28213 Bremen http://www.thetaphi.de eMail: u...@thetaphi.de -Original Message- From: Uwe Schindler [mailto:u...@thetaphi.de] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:21 PM To:

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-18 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Oct 17, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Robert Muir wrote: Lets say i change a single line of code, and merge it back to the 3x_branch. Currently we get 6 or 7 emails of mergeproperty changes to the commits@ list... this is making it difficult or impossible for backports to be reviewed at all... I

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-18 Thread Grant Ingersoll
What commands do you want me to run? On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Uwe Schindler wrote: Hi Daniel, I already proposed something similar to our developers list and also explained, why it is a bad idea to merge single files (see attached mail). Still our/my opinion: It may be better, to

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-18 Thread Robert Muir
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: I find it onerous that one need do a merge for this kind of thing period.   Why not just apply the patch a second time?  Sure, something is lost in SVN, but it's covered elsewhere.  Of course, the flip side is that

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-18 Thread Chris Hostetter
: I find it onerous that one need do a merge for this kind of thing : period. Why not just apply the patch a second time? Sure, something is : lost in SVN, but it's covered elsewhere. Of course, the flip side is : that by not doing it, it becomes all that much harder to merge in the :

RE: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-18 Thread Uwe Schindler
Hi Grant, Not yet decided/investigated, this was more a question to infra, if it would be possible to set this up. :-) I have to check a config from an SVN server that supports merging. Where are the Apach config files for SVN? Can I view them? Else, I agree with Robert: I also want to track all

Re: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-18 Thread Grant Ingersoll
On Oct 18, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Uwe Schindler wrote: Hi Grant, Not yet decided/investigated, this was more a question to infra, if it would be possible to set this up. :-) I have to check a config from an SVN server that supports merging. Where are the Apach config files for SVN? Can I view

RE: possible to filter the output to commits@ list????

2010-10-17 Thread Uwe Schindler
Hi Daniel, I already proposed something similar to our developers list and also explained, why it is a bad idea to merge single files (see attached mail). Still our/my opinion: It may be better, to simply provide optionally plain diffs without metadata for commit mails (on request of a project,