Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
I guess I forgot to include that the location of the pkg file should be nbbuild/MacOS after the build completes. Carl On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 3:04 AM Carl Mosca wrote: > If you're willing to try the package installer, clone this fork: > https://github.com/carljmosca/incubator-netbeans on a

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
I am not certain I understand Tim's comments because I was not around for the "great debate of 2004". If the process used to compress a dmg image makes jar files unusable, why was NetBeans 8.x pkg compressed that way or was it not? I suspect he was trying to say the pkg installer (which it now

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Kirk Pepperdine
Hi Carl, I’m sorry that you saw Tim as blasting you. I have worked Tim and know him very well and I know he does not operate that way. I can see the “advice” he was offering as being relevant at the time it was made. It is possible that things have changed and the history that Tim is relaying

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
I can make a YouTube clip to explain how to provide pull requests to Apache NetBeans, however it wouldn’t be different to doing a pull request for any other project via Git. Gj On Sunday, August 12, 2018, Carl Mosca wrote: > Thank you Sebastian. I appreciate the feedback. > > I imagine

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
Got it, thank you Tim. I have not looked at pack2000, at least not lately. I will check it out. Regards, Carl On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 11:12 AM Tim Boudreau wrote: > Hey there - I wasn't intending to blast anybody, just act as a little > corner of institutional memory, since there are a lot

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
Thank you Kirk. I am sure Tim is a good guy and ultimately meant no offense. I have made code contributions to other projects in the past and I will say that the on-boarding process varies a bit. :) Regards, Carl On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:21 AM Kirk Pepperdine wrote: > Hi Carl, > > I’m sorry

Plugins Portal no longer available?

2018-08-12 Thread Sebastian Kempken
While installing the nb-javac compiler i get an timeout, the PluginPortal (http://plugins.netbeans.org/PluginPortal/) isn't reachable, too. Is that done on purpose? - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Tim Boudreau
Hey there - I wasn't intending to blast anybody, just act as a little corner of institutional memory, since there are a lot of people who weren't around then and when issues are revisited, it helps to know what was learned the last time around. Sorry if the "uh oh" that went off on my head led me

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Carl Mosca wrote: > I am not certain I understand Tim's comments because I was not around for > the "great debate of 2004". > > If the process used to compress a dmg image makes jar files unusable, why > was NetBeans 8.x pkg compressed that way or was it not? >

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
Thank you Gj. I will do so. You're always helpful and polite. Regards, Carl On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 8:29 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Carl Mosca wrote: > > > I am not certain I understand Tim's comments because I was not around for > > the "great debate of

Re: Plugins Portal no longer available?

2018-08-12 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
plugins.netbeans.org has been down since yesterday, we’re trying to figure out why, and intend for it to be fixed soon. Gj On Sunday, August 12, 2018, Sebastian Kempken wrote: > While installing the nb-javac compiler i get an timeout, the PluginPortal ( >

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
Gj, Yes, I agree. I have read the instructions and I don't see anything that's unclear about the pull request. I don't think a YouTube clip is necessary but I know if you did one it would be done well. :) I was mainly thinking about style and project organization. More of if the code is to be

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Ryan Cuprak
Just out of curiosity, what about distributing NetBeans via the Apple App Store? That of course is an issue post-installer creation. Most apps I install I get from the App Store - prefer the app store for a variety of reasons. To do this, we would need an Apple Developer account owned by

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Scott Palmer
Really? Wow. Okay, another option (still preferable to a .pkg IMO) is to simply distribute the application bundle in zipped form. That has the advantage that you also don’t need a Mac to create it. In most cases Safari would automatically extract it and leave the application sitting in

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Brett Ryan
> On 13 Aug 2018, at 05:29, Neil C Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 16:23 Carl Mosca, wrote:. > >> I have not looked at pack2000, at least not lately. I will check it out. >> > > Hasn't pack200 just been deprecated!? > > Out of interest is there a preference / benefit for mac users

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Tim Boudreau
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 4:27 PM Scott Palmer wrote: > Really? Wow. Okay, another option (still preferable to a .pkg IMO) is > to simply distribute the application bundle in zipped form. That has the > advantage that you also don’t need a Mac to create it. In most cases > Safari would

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Brett Ryan
Not quite. Remember the 8.2 installer did install Glassfish and tomcat for JEE versions and above. When it did this the servlet container was customised to match the users preferences. > On 11 Aug 2018, at 15:44, Scott Palmer wrote: > > The macOS “installer” should be nothing more than a disk

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Scott Palmer
Yes, that is true. If there is still a need for that, then a .pkg is required. Is it still the case though? Scott > On Aug 12, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Brett Ryan wrote: > > Not quite. Remember the 8.2 installer did install Glassfish and tomcat for > JEE versions and above. When it did this the

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
Thank you Tim. I have been looking at the MacOS pkgbuild to do the build. I have not looking into making it portable yet but if that can work, it's certainly the way to go. The first (non-pkg) version I did ran OK but I believe there is a permission (ownership) issue with the current version.

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Brett Ryan
> On 13 Aug 2018, at 06:27, Scott Palmer wrote: > > Really? Wow. Okay, another option (still preferable to a .pkg IMO) is to > simply distribute the application bundle in zipped form. As mentioned the issue with this is it could not be installed by the user globally, think of a

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Neil C Smith
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 16:23 Carl Mosca, wrote:. > I have not looked at pack2000, at least not lately. I will check it out. > Hasn't pack200 just been deprecated!? Out of interest is there a preference / benefit for mac users to have the app bundle in a dmg and not just zipped up? That would

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Brett Ryan
> On 13 Aug 2018, at 06:32, Scott Palmer wrote: > > Yes, that is true. If there is still a need for that, then a .pkg is > required. Is it still the case though? Given that JEE support is in the next drop and glassfish/tomcat are a part of the bundle then i can only assume so. That's not

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread bastikemp...@gmail.com
I've tried it on my Mac and it works very well, i would appreciate if your work will be merged. Its very useful for further releases :) Sebastian Am 12.08.18 um 12:07 schrieb Carl Mosca: I guess I forgot to include that the location of the pkg file should be nbbuild/MacOS after the build

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
If you're willing to try the package installer, clone this fork: https://github.com/carljmosca/incubator-netbeans on a Mac. Follow the setup for the build requirements then run "ant package-macos" This should do a build followed by the creation of a Mac package installer. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Really cool. I'm going to try it out, though Tim's comments re Mac installers is something to think about. Gj On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Carl Mosca wrote: > If you're willing to try the package installer, clone this fork: > https://github.com/carljmosca/incubator-netbeans on a Mac. > >

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
Thank you Sebastian. I appreciate the feedback. I imagine someone can provide a few pointers on where I located the Info.plist file, my use (and lack of) use of properties, and the final location of the pkg file. Hopefully I will learn about the pull request process. Carl On Sun, Aug 12, 2018

Re: Installers

2018-08-12 Thread Carl Mosca
How did you install NetBeans 8.x? On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:19 AM Tim Boudreau wrote: > This debate was had once about 14 years ago - and the decision to go with > .pkg installers on Mac OSX was made for this reason: There were a lot of > "NetBeans is unusably slow" reports on OSX. > > The