Re: Welcome to Daniel Watford as new PMC member

[Sharan F]

Congratulations and welcome Daniel!

Thanks
Sharan

On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, 11:57 Jacopo Cappellato, 
wrote:

> The OFBiz PMC has invited Daniel Watford as a new PMC member and we
> are glad to announce that Daniel has accepted the nomination.
>
> On behalf of the OFBiz PMC, welcome on board!
>

Re: Welcome to Leila Mekika as new committer

[Sharan F]

Congratulations and welcome Leila!

Thanks
Sharan

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022, 09:08 Giulio Speri - MpStyle Srl, <
giulio.sp...@mpstyle.it> wrote:

> Congratulations Leila and welcome aboard!
>
> Kind regards,
> Giulio
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2022, 03:35 Michael Brohl  wrote:
>
> > Congratulations and welcome from me as well, Leila!
> >
> > Looking forward to your contributions and working together.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > Am 04.10.22 um 09:30 schrieb MLeila:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your welcome!
> > > I am glad to join the team and be able to contribute more actively on
> > > the project
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Leila
> > >
> > > Le 04/10/2022 à 07:38, Devanshu Vyas a écrit :
> > >> Many congratulations and welcome aboard Leila!!
> > >>
> > >> Thanks & Regards,
> > >> Devanshu Vyas.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 6:27 PM Nicolas Malin <
> nicolas.ma...@nereide.fr>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The OFBiz PMC has invited Leila Mekika as new
> > >>> committer and we are glad to announce that she have accepted the
> > >>> nomination.
> > >>>
> > >>> On behalf of the OFBiz PMC, welcome on board!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> >
>

Re: Welcome Wiebke Pätzold as new committer!

[Sharan F]

Congratulations and welcome Wiebke!

Thanks
Sharan

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021, 12:58 Aditya Sharma,  wrote:

> The OFBiz PMC has invited Wiebke to become a new committer and we are
> pleased to announce that she has accepted the nomination.
>
> Wiebke has been an active contributor to Apache OFBiz since February 2020,
> and has made some significant contributions on minilang migration. She has
> also been helping out Michael with Apache OFBiz blogs.
>
> Thank you Wiebke for your valuable contributions so far and congratulations
> for your new role!
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Aditya Sharma
>

Re: Welcome to Daniel Watford as new committer!

[Sharan F]

Congratulations and welcome Daniel!

Thanks
Sharan


On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, 17:20 Jacopo Cappellato, 
wrote:

> The OFBiz PMC has invited Daniel to become a new committer and we are
> pleased  to announce that he has accepted the nomination.
>
> Welcome onboard Daniel!
>
> Jacopo
>

Re: Welcome to Girish Vasmatkar as new committer!

[Sharan F]

Congratulations Girish!

Thanks
Sharan

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 13:57 Ratnesh Upadhyay, 
wrote:

> Many Congratulations Girish!!
>
> Regards,
> Ratnesh Upadhyay
> www.hotwaxsystems.com
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:36 PM Jacques Le Roux <
> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry I missed Girish 1st name in subject :/
> >
> > Le 22/04/2020 à 11:37, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
> > > The OFBiz PMC has invited Girish to become a new committer and we are
> > pleased  to announce that he has accepted.
> > >
> > > Girish is part of the community for near 2 years and has proposed
> > several smart propositions notably related to security and GraphQL, but
> not
> > only.
> > >
> > > Please join me in welcoming and congratulating Girish.
> > >
> > > Jacques
> > >
> > >
>

Re: Welcome Swapnil M Mane as new PMC member

[Sharan F]

Congratulations and welcome Swapnil! 

Thanks
Sharan

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 13:53 Ratnesh Upadhyay, 
wrote:

> Many Congratulations Swapnil.
>
> Regards,
> Ratnesh Upadhyay
> www.hotwaxsystems.com
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:02 PM Jacques Le Roux <
> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>
> > The OFBiz PMC has invited Swapnil M Mane to become member of the
> committee
> > and we are glad to announce that he has accepted the nomination.
> >
> > On behalf of the OFBiz PMC, welcome on board!
> >
>

FINAL REMINDER: CFP for Apache EU Roadshow Closes 25th February

[Sharan F]

Hello Apache Supporters and Enthusiasts

This is your FINAL reminder that the Call for Papers (CFP) for the 
Apache EU Roadshow is closing soon. Our Apache EU Roadshow will focus on 
Cloud, IoT, Apache Tomcat, Apache Http and will run from 13-14 June 2018 
in Berlin.
Note that the CFP deadline has been extended to *25*^*th* *February *and 
it will be your final opportunity to submit a talk for thisevent.


Please make your submissions at http://apachecon.com/euroadshow18/

Also note that early bird ticket registrations to attend FOSS Backstage 
including the Apache EU Roadshow, have also been extended and will be 
available until 23^rd February. Please register at 
https://foss-backstage.de/tickets


We look forward to seeing you in Berlin!

Thanks
Sharan Foga, VP Apache Community Development

PLEASE NOTE: You are receiving this message because you are subscribed 
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Apache EU Roadshow CFP Closing Soon (23 February)

[Sharan F]

Hello Everyone

This is an initial reminder to let you all know that we are holding an 
Apache EU Roadshow co-located with FOSS Backstage in Berlin on 13^th and 
14^th June 2018. https://s.apache.org/tCHx


The Call for Proposals (CFP) for the Apache EU Roadshow is currently 
open and will close at the end of next week, so if you have been 
delaying making a submission because the closing date seemed a long way 
off, then it's time to start getting your proposals submitted.


So what are we looking for?
We will have 2 Apache Devrooms available during the 2 day Roadshow so 
are looking for projects including incubating ones, to submit 
presentations, panel discussions, BoFs, or workshop proposals. The main 
focus of the Roadshow will be IoT, Cloud, Httpd and Tomcat so if your 
project is involved in or around any of these technologies at Apache 
then we are very interested in hearing from you.


Community and collaboration is important at Apache so if your project is 
interested in organising a project sprint, meetup or hackathon during 
the Roadshow, then please submit it inthe CFP as we do have some space 
available to allocate for these.


If you are wanting to submit a talk on open source community related 
topics such as the Apache Way, governance or legal aspects then please 
submit these to the CFP for FOSS Backstage.


Tickets for the Apache EU Roadshow are included as part of the 
registration for FOSS Backstage, so to attend the Roadshow you will need 
to register for FOSS Backstage. Early Bird tickets are still available 
until the 21^st February 2018.


Please see below for important URLs to remember:

-  To submit a CFP for the Apache EU Roadshow 
:http://apachecon.com/euroadshow18/ 


-  To submit a CFP for FOSS Backstage : 
https://foss-backstage.de/call-papers


-  To register to attend the Apache EU Roadshow and/or FOSS Backstage : 
https://foss-backstage.de/tickets


For further updates and information about the Apache EU Roadshowplease 
check http://apachecon.com/euroadshow18/


Thanks
Sharan Foga, VP Apache Community Development

Travel Assistance applications open

[Sharan F]

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The Travel Assistance Committee (TAC) are pleased to announce that travel 
assistance applications for ApacheCon NA 2018 are now open!

We will be supporting ApacheCon NA Montreal, Canada on 24th - 29th September 
2018

 TAC exists to help those that would like to attend ApacheCon events, but are 
unable to do so for financial reasons.
For more info on this years applications and qualifying criteria, please visit the TAC 
website at < http://www.apache.org/travel/  >. 
Applications are now open and will close 1st May.

Important: Applications close on May 1st, 2018. Applicants have until the 
closing date above to submit their applications (which should contain as much 
supporting material as required to efficiently and accurately process their 
request), this will enable TAC to announce successful awards shortly afterwards.

As usual, TAC expects to deal with a range of applications from a diverse range 
of backgrounds. We therefore encourage (as always) anyone thinking about 
sending in an application to do so ASAP.
We look forward to greeting many of you in Montreal

Kind Regards,
Gavin - (On behalf of the Travel Assistance Committee)
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FOSDEM 2017 Open Source Conference - Brussels

[Sharan F]

Hello Everyone

This email is to tell you about ASF participation at FOSDEM. The event 
will be held in Brussels on 4^th & 5^th February 2017 and we are hoping 
that many people from our ASF projects will be there.


https://fosdem.org/2017/

Attending FOSDEM is completely free and the ASF will again be running a 
booth there. Our main focus will on talking to people about the ASF, our 
projects and communities.


*_Why Attend FOSDEM?_*
Some reasons for attending FOSDEM are:

1. Promoting your project: FOSDEM has up to 4-5000 attendees so is a
   great place to spread the word about your project
2. Learning, participating and meeting up: FOSDEM is a developers
   conference so includes presentations covering a range of
   technologies and includes lots of topic specific devrooms

_*FOSDEM Wiki *_
A page on the Community Development wiki has been created with the main 
details about our involvement at conference, so please take a look


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/FOSDEM+2017

If you would like to spend some time on the ASF booth promoting your 
project then please sign up on the FOSDEM wiki page. Initially we would 
like to split this into slots of 3-4 hours but this will depend on the 
number of projects that are represented.


We are also looking for volunteers to help out on the booth over the 2 
days of the conference, so if you are going to be there and are willing 
to help then please add your name to the volunteer list.


_*Project Stickers*_
If you are going to be at FOSDEM and do not have any project stickers to 
give away then we may (budget permitting) be able to help you get some 
printed. Please contact me with your requirements.


_*Social Event*_
Some people have asked about organising an ASF social event / meetup 
during the conference. This is possible but we will need know how many 
people are interested and which date works best. The FOSDEM wiki page 
also contains an 'Arrival / Departure' section so so please add your 
details if you would like to participate.


I hope this helps people see some of the advantages of attending FOSDEM 
and we are looking forward to seeing lots of people there from our ASF 
communities.


Thanks
Sharan

Apache Community Development
http://community.apache.org/

Re: [DISCUSSION] Proposed Task List for Moving Forward with Gradle and the Trunk

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Another update on the task list for moving forward with Gradle and the
Trunk. We would also like to get community feedback and comments on each of
the following 3 proposals:

Task 1 “Replace all the current jars in OFBiz with appropriate remote
libraries from a download repository
--
The work to replace the jars is ongoing and we have already removed 169 of
them. These libraries will now be automatically downloaded by Gradle. Work
will continue to remove the remaining files. As we are working through, we
are finding library migration issues with some of the specialpurpose
components so would like *to propose to deactivate all specialpurpose
components by default.*


Task 4. “ Move all java source files to\u2002$component/src/main/java and
introduce all unit tests in\u2002\u2002$component/src/test/java”
-
Another area we need to progress is the re-design and changing of the
directory structure so that we can separate the Java files between main and
test. This will help us simplify the implementation of a testing framework.
*The proposal for the directory structure is as follows:

   componentname/src/main/java
   componentname/src/test/java*


Task 10. “Propose the renaming specialpurpose to plugins or such an
appropriate name for clarity”
-
We would like * to propose changing the name of the specialpurpose folder to
'plugins'*

These are the 3 areas we would like to progress so please feel free to
respond with your feedback and comments.

Thanks
Sharan




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Re: Taher Alkhateeb joins the OFBiz PMC

[Sharan-F]

Excellent news! Congratulations and welcome Taher.

Thanks
Sharan 



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Re: [DISCUSSION] Setting Up Mentoring

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

A quick update - I've sent out the Hipchat invitations and see people have
already responded and are in the Hipchat room. As mentioned please take a
look around. We have the OFBiz room, and also private chat. I think it also
works on a range of devices too.

Thanks
Sharan








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[DISCUSSION] Setting Up Mentoring

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

I've created a page on the wiki to try and organise the mentoring. We have a
list of people who volunteered to be mentors, so if you want to be a mentor,
then please feel free to add your name ot this list.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Mentors

I'm very conscious of the fact that we dont want to overload the mentors so
I suggest that we initially focus the mentoring on the framework
re-factoring work. This is a specific area where we know there is a lot of
complicated and difficult code that could be hard to understand. 

My suggestion would be that anyone who has a re-factor task could be paired
up with a mentor to help them with it in case they encounter problems. What
do people think about this idea?

I've also been looking at different ways in which the mentoring could take
place. We need somewhere that is easy to use, and if one mentor isnt
available, a question could perhaps be managed by someone else. We could
make use of our existing IRC channel, Skype or Hipchat.  

I think our IRC channel is underused which shows that people prefer not to
use it much. Skype is also an  option but out of the three I think Hipchat
could be a good to look at. It is the main communication method  used by our
ASF Infra team if you need to talk to anyone urgently and from experience I
know it works really well. We already have a Hipchat OFBiz room setup so
could easily implement something similar to ASF Infra with our mentors or
even create a group where our committers could hangout and quickly contact
each other.

In the past we talked about having a committers space where they could come
together, get to know each other and collaborate more, but never set
anything up so this could also be an opportunity to do that. I will send out
some invitations to our committers to join the Hipchat OFBiz room so you can
take a look around and see what you think. 

As usual I'm happy to get feedback on any of the points raised.

Thanks
Sharan



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[DISCUSSION] Mentoring to Share Knowledge and Improve Code

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

One of the things that came up in the Committers Survey was related to
mentoring. I asked the question whether it would be a good idea if newer
Committers were mentored by a more experienced one and  63% of the
Committers surveyed agreed it would be.

I think that this could be something that could be worth exploring as we
have Committers with a lot of experience and knowledge that could be good
mentors to others. Mentoring could be something as simple as being available
to answer questions or to give advice about how to approach something, but
the main thing is that there is someone to ask informally. 

For example, I'm sure that Jacques has probably lost count of the amount of
times I approached him offline for help with all kinds of things :-), and
every response has really helped.

What do people think?  (And more importantly is anyone willing to be a
mentor?)

Thanks
Sharan




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Re: My experience with refactoring the framework

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher

Thanks for sharing your experience as I think it contains some real insights
and also re-confirms an important task – we need to tidy up our code. And
the one crucial message I hear loud and clear in your email is that we need
everyone to help out too.

(BTW I've seen the amount of work that you have done on the start.java which
is looking very elegant now :-) 

Your list re-factoring ideas touch on a lot of areas that I'm sure will
generate discussion and I hope that we don't get too caught up in the
discussion that we don't act. We need to stay active by continually doing
something that improves OFBiz.

I agree that we should look at holding off adding new features or
improvements now and just clean. I've seen the huge amount of activity that
is happening at the moment so let's see if we can maybe focus some of that
energy into tidying up our code and getting rid of our ' historic technical
debt' (as mentioned by Jacques).

It sounds like you have already a list of tasks to replenish our Current
Re-Factor To Do list so let's do that and get the message out to the
community about what they can do to help. I noticed that if we have a list
of tasks that people can pick up easily, then they will. 

Going forward we may need to have a bit more co-ordination and also work
together in small groups focussing on particular areas so things dont get
broken, especially once the applications start being affected. 

I'm happy to help so just let me know how I can.

Thanks
Sharan



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OFBiz Committers Survey - Results

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

First of all, a big thank you to everyone who participated in the Committers
Survey. I thought it was important to get some feedback from you that could
possibly give the community some ideas about what you see as important and
also maybe bring up some potential discussion topics.

One very important thing I'd like to highlight is that participation in this
survey was completely voluntary. No one was under any obligation to respond
to it, so the fact that not all our Committers responded should not at all
be seen as a negative.

The survey consisted of 10 questions and I've consolidated all the responses
collected from it onto the wiki (link below)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/May+2016+-+Committers+Survey

I've added some notes and some general thoughts and observations.

One area that came up while the survey was in process was the topic of our
existing 'technical debt' raised by Jacques. It was a missing answer choice
in the question where Committers were asked to rank what areas they saw as
important. I'd be keen to hear of any other areas that people saw as
missing.  Also if anyone wants to start a new thread to discuss or develop
any of the ideas raised or mentioned in the survey then please feel free.
 
As always, please let me have your feedback, comments or ideas for
improvement. 

Thanks 
Sharan



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Re: Custom ClassLoader in OFBiz

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher

The main thing that jumped out at me  is that if OSGi is something that can
fix “many” of our existing problems and can make a real difference  to
simplify how we can deploy things – then I think it would be good to to at
least look at how it could fit.

It sounds like we have a potential opportunity here so let's have the
technical discussion about whether it makes sense and if so, how it could
possibly work.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: proposal to remove cobertura and sonar from ofbiz

[Sharan-F]

+1 to go ahead too.

If we have had these issues hanging around for years without being resolved
then I think a clean start sounds the best.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Framework & Code Re-Factoring: Maintaining Quality

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher

Thanks for sharing and I know it's coming from going through some tough code
interpreting experiences. Have these ideas been captured in our best coding
practises? 

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: OFBiz Committers Survey

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Our first ever Committers Survey is now closed. Thank you very much to
everyone who participated. I've created a page on the wiki where I will
summarise the results.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/May+2016+-+Committers+Survey

I'll be working on it over the next few days and once completed, will share
the details with everyone.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: OFBiz Committers Survey

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher

Sorry that wasnt clear - yes 1 is the highest.

Thanks
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Re: OFBiz Committers Survey

[Sharan-F]

Thanks guys for responding so quickly. 

It is only 10 questions so I think it's straightforward and very quick to
do. 

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: OFBiz Committers Survey

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

I've sent out the survey today so all our committers (including emeritus and
inactive) should get an email with a link to it.
I'll plan to keep the survey open for 7 days (less if I get all the
responses back beforehand!) to give people enough time to complete it.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Thanks
Sharan




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OFBiz Committers Survey

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

It's been a long while since I last did any kind of community survey and
this time I'd like to survey our committers – so I'm hoping our committers
are willing to participate. :-)

I'm currently working on finalising it all and hope that it can be sent out
by the end of this week. I'll keep it open for a fixed time (maybe up to a
week) and then will summarise and publish the results.

Thanks
Sharan




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Temporary Adjustment to OFBiz Jira Permissions

[Sharan-F]

Hi

I'm re-posting as it looks like my original message didnt get through to the
mailing lists.

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Hi Everyone

I'm posting this to both user and dev mailing lists.

The ASF had a big spam attack on Jira yesterday so have temporarily adjusted
the default permissions on Jira. This means that those of you who are in the
default Jira users group will not be able to create or comment on Jira
issues. People with ICLA's filed and are in the Contributors or Committers
groups wont have any problems. The infra team are working on it and hope to
have it resolved soon.

In the meantime, I will take a look through the latest Jira activity for
OFBiz and start adding users into a temporary group that has the correct
access. I may not be able to identify everyone so if you are having problems
creating or commenting on Jira issues then please let me know and I will add
you to the temporary group.

Thanks
Sharan




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Re: Fwd: Re: Managing Emeritus Committers

[Sharan-F]

Hi Jacques

I thought that the discussion Ron raised was more about communication rather
than actually disabling access. I agree with you in the sense that I think
it could turn out to be considerably more work than we would want to manage.

Thanks
Sharan



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Jira Contributors Group and How to Get Added to it

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

This is a quick reminder to mention that we have put in place a process
where contributors can assign themselves to a Jira issue while they are
working on it. (e.g while preparing a patch or testing etc). This helps to
give visibility and also helps stop duplicated effort.

To be added to the Jira Contributors group, you need to file an ICLA with
the ASF. Please see link the mailing list thread 

http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Moving-Jira-Users-to-the-Jira-Contributors-Group-tt4670452.html#a4670454

Please see the link below for details about what an ICLA is and why we need
one. (Note we also maintain a list of wiki and Jira contributors here too)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors

Once the ICLA is filed you will be added to the Jira Contributors group.

I try to do regular reviews to make sure the group and permissions are up to
date but if I've missed someone then please let me know.

Thanks
Sharan



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Framework & Code Re-Factoring: Maintaining Quality

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

It's great to see the progress happening on the framework and code
re-factoring.  Tasks from our to do list are being picked up and worked on,
so thank you to everyone involved in this.

As this is a code clean-up, I'd really like to emphasize that we need to be
extra careful because we are changing the way we currently code. This means
that there is some extra responsibility for the committers in the review
process to ensure that the quality of the code going in is an improvement to
the existing code (I.e we dont want to commit anything that keeps our code
untidy or makes it even worse)

If we can include stronger quality checks while the re-factoring is going
on, we can be sure that we are definitely making and delivering code
improvements.

What do people think?

Thanks
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Re: Current Re-Factor To Do List

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

A quick update on this.

First of all thanks to Michael for picking up and providing patches for the
first two tasks on the list. 

We also talked about using a Jira Sprint to manage to work so I've created a
new sprint called 'Re-Factor Sprint 1'. It will run for 2 weeks and once
finished we will do a review to see if it helps us to better organise and
manage the work.

If you do pick up any tasks from the To Do list then when you create a Jira,
please add it to the sprint.

Thanks
Sharan





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Current Re-Factor To Do List

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

I've noticed that some general refactoring work has already ready started
which is great.

One of the action points from our Skype call on re-factoring was to put
together a list of tasks that people can use to identify the work that needs
to be done (especially if they are not sure where to start).  The list has a
mix of complexity so there are easy, moderate and difficult tasks.

To help manage it, I've created a new wiki page (see link below)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Re-Factor+To-Do+List

Please take a look to see if you can help.We are encouraging people to feel
free to pick up any task that they are interested in or feel that they can
do.

Thanks
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Re: [VOTE] [RELEASE] Apache OFBiz 13.07.03

[Sharan-F]

+1

Thanks
Sharan



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RE: Draft Minutes from Skype Framework Re-Factor Call: 15th March 2016

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher

Thanks for the feedback.I've updated the minutes with this detail.

Thanks
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Re: Draft Minutes from Skype Framework Re-Factor Call: 15th March 2016

[Sharan-F]

Hi Ron

Yes, this was talked about and these are great suggestions. I think it might
be good to have this written down somewhere on the re-factoring wiki pages
as recommendations that would help.

Also in general - it is also something that we could put into our developers
best practice area so that new people coming on board have a good start.
What do people think?

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Draft Minutes from Skype Framework Re-Factor Call: 15th March 2016

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

A huge thank you goes out to everyone who participated in the Framework
Re-Factor Skype Group call yesterday. It was a very dynamic and active call
and I hope it helped to get us focussed on our general approach and our next
steps. There were a lot of good ideas and suggestions that came out - which
is great. 

I've written up the draft minutes from the call based on my notes on the
following wiki page (so everyone please feel free to take a look though what
was discussed)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Skype+Re-Factor+Group+Call%3A+15th+March+2016

I hope that I've captured all the main points but just in case there is
something missing that is important or I've misunderstood then please let me
know.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Proposal for the "Tweets" and "News" sections of the main web page of the OFBiz site

[Sharan-F]

Hi Jacopo

+1

Yes it's a good idea. Our News section is a bit outdated now so keeping
everything current is good. (BTW we have around 250 twitter followers now).

Also I do have a work in progress regarding a re-design of the website that
I'm working on and will share what I've done so far with everyone soon.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Skype Group Call Next Week re-Framework Re-Factoring

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

Another update.

We have setup the skype group and have decided on Tuesday 15th March at:

 -*Montreal (0900) Europe (1400), Kuwait (1600), Mumbai (1830) *

Taher has put together a draft agenda for the call as follows:

1- introduction and purpose of refactoring project
2- identifying main objectives and deliverables for say the next 6
months or so
3- setting priorities in terms of areas / components to refactor
4- deciding on whether or not to form teams and whether or not to assign
tasks
5- in addition to refactoring, identifying major design changes or
updates to tackle ( big refactors )
6- determining the best collaboration and communication methodology and
the desired workflows for daily managing of this project
7- opening up for additional ideas, comments, suggestions

I will post an update after the call.

Thanks
Sharan




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Re: Skype Group Call Next Week re-Framework Re-Factoring

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

Based on the interest so far we have to account for 4 different time zones
(Europe, Kuwait, Mumbai and Montreal). 

We could do any day next week at one of the following times :

   - Montreal (0800), Europe (1300), Kuwait (1500), Mumbai (1730)

   - Montreal (0900) Europe (1400), Kuwait (1600), Mumbai (1830)

-Montreal (1000) Europe (1500) Kuwait (1700) Mumbai (1930)

My first suggestion would be Tuesday 15th at 1400 European time is everyone
is available. If not then please respond with what date and time would be
good.

I am in the process of setting up the Skype Group and so everyone will be
linked for group chat there too (which I hope will help with collaboration)

Thanks
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Re: Welcome to our new committer Gregory Draperi

[Sharan-F]

Congratulations and welcome Gregory!

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Skype Group Call Next Week re-Framework Re-Factoring

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

Ok - I'll definitely move it to sometime next week.

I'll also start setting up the skype group. Anyone that would like to be
included, please send me your skype name via email to sha...@apache.org
(Taher, Julien I already have yours so will add you both in).

Thanks
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Re: Skype Group Call Next Week re-Framework Re-Factoring

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher

I didnt realise Ron was interested. If that's the case then that makes it
difficult for us to have our call today as it will only be 7am his time.

I think then it's better to postpone the call until next week to make sure
that we have the availability of everyone who is interested in a call. 

We do have a Community Day coming up on the 19th March so as long as we can
have our call beforehand to co-ordinate the work then we should be able to
get things moving in time for that.

Thanks
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Re: Skype Group Call Next Week re-Framework Re-Factoring

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher / Kulwant

How about tomorrow (Monday 7th March) at 13.00 my time (which will be 15.00
for Taher and 17.30 for Kulwant) ?

Thanks
Sharan





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Re: Skype Group Call Next Week re-Framework Re-Factoring

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher


Based on your availability this week, that leaves us with tomorrow (Monday). 

I'm on CET which is GMT+1 so I'll  see if I can schedule a time that will
suit you, me and Kulwant. 

Thanks
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Skype Group Call Next Week re-Framework Re-Factoring

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

We'd like to organise an initial Skype group call next week with all the
people interested in helping out with the Framework Re-factor. The main aim
is to ensure that people understand what needs to be done and where they can
start. The plan is that by the end of the call, you should have enough
information to begin working.

We think that an initial call is a good way to get things moving and
afterwards we should be able to manage any follow up using the mailing
lists, IRC or Skype.

If you are interesting in joining the group call then please respond to this
thread and include your timezone so that we can choose a time that is
convenient for everyone.

Thanks
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Re: Framework Re-Factor: List of Areas that Need Work

[Sharan-F]

Hi Kulwant 

Thanks for your offer of help.  

I've had a quick chat with Taher and we think that it would be a good idea
to setup a group call (e.g. via Skype) and invite everyone that has
expressed an interest in helping out. The main aim is to get people together
and talk through briefly where and how to get started.  

I will to post another message about organising the call so please respond
that thread with details of your timezone.

Thanks
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Framework Re-Factor: List of Areas that Need Work

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

A few weeks ago we talked about getting things moving on some framework
re-factoring. 

http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Framework-Cleanup-Options-Tidy-Up-amp-Refactor-tt4676797.html#a4676841

One of the things I thought would be useful is to have a list of areas that
people could work on.  It could  also help to focus people on specific tasks
and help collaboration so I've setup a wiki page with some background about
what we'd like to do and why.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Framework+Re-factor

The overall goal is to make it easier for us to maintain and improve our
code. Ideally re-factoring occurs naturally over time. In our case I think
we need to actively do some maintenance to kick start that process.


You will see that I've taken Taher's original suggestions and selected some
to include in a 'top 5' list of areas that need some work done. 

 1. EntitySaxReader  (If we can change this from a class implementation
to an interface implementation then we can get rid of Javalution. This has
been hanging around for a while and would be really, really good to tidy up)

 2. HtmlFormRenderer (3000 lines of code and the interfaces it
implements are also huge )

 3. XmlFormRenderer (XmlFormRenderer does not implement more than half
of the methods )

 4.  Dependencies on Deprecated Classes / Constructors (Lots of
dependencies on deprecated classes / constructors (e.g. HtmlScreenRenderer,
FoScreenRenderer) 

 5.  Start.java (Taher has been working on this so this is currently in
progress under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6783)


If you would like to work on an area but are not sure what the problems are
then Taher has said that he is willing to help point out what needs to be
done.

I hope that people will take a look and select an area to begin working on.
We need as much help as we can get. I think that if we can get the work
started then we can gain the momentum to continue.

Thanks
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Release 14.12.01 and Dedication for Adrian

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Looking at our tentative release schedule we have said that this month we
would look at releasing 14.12.01. It has been maturing for over a year so
are we ready to begin preparing for its release this month ?

Also we talked about dedicating a release to Adrian so I think we could use
this one (or even the whole 14.12 series..). We could add a special
dedication on the Downloads page as part of the release description.

What do people think ?


Thanks
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Re: Framework Cleanup Options - Tidy Up & Refactor?

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

Thanks for the feedback so far. It sounds like we need to have a clear
vision of what needs to be done and also organise things so it's easy for
people to know what they can work on.  I'll see if I can summarise the main
points onto a wiki page.

Thanks
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Framework Cleanup Options - Tidy Up & Refactor?

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

A few months ago we started looking at a proposed framework re-write sub
project with Adrian as our mentor. 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Potential+Framework+Project+for+the+Foundation+Sub+Component

With Adrian gone it makes it hard for us to continue so have decided to
abandon this effort.

We don't want to give up on having a better framework and know that another
option is to tidy up our existing framework. (So yes – this means
refactoring, and yes it will be a lot of work)

In general we do sometimes tidy up or refactor as we go along and some work
has already started with movement of entity definitions into a separate
datamodel component. If we really do want to tidy up our framework then we
will need as many people from the community as possible to help out. 

Now here comes the big question – is the community interested in really
doing this and are there people out there willing to help out?

Thanks
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Re: ContactMechs

[Sharan-F]

Hi Julien

I think the ContactMech name is historic and is probably a bit of OFBiz
jargon :-)

It could be translated as 'Contact Details' or 'Contact Information'. If we
are already using 'Contact Information' as a description somewhere then I
think it makes sense to standardise it to be the same across the
applications where possible.

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Re: Creating the 15.12 release branch

[Sharan-F]

+1   It would be nice to do just so we don't miss a year. 

For the 2016 releases it might be good to set a target month to work
towards.

Thanks
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Re: FOSDEM 2016 - take action by 4th of December 2015

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

Just to let you know that I've volunteered to help out on the Apache booth
at FOSDEM so will be there. I think that Pierre, Heidi and Eric have
mentioned that they are planning to come too (so we can have a mini meetup).

I'm planning to bring a laptop and have a demo version of OFBiz running to
show people. I'm not sure if we can get some OFBiz marketing material (eg
stickers, badges etc) to give away… (so any ideas and possible funding for
this is very welcome !)

If anyone wants to submit a talk / presentation or discussion then please
feel free. 

Thanks
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Re: [FRAMEWORK] Notes from Skype Meeting - 23rd Oct 2015

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Thanks for all the feedback, comments and ideas we’ve had so far.  Based on
that I think that we need to tighten up the scope so that we don’t try to do
everything at once.

Thank you, Adrian for doing the diagram. I think this is a good way to see
the big picture.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Potential+Framework+Sub+Project

I think it is very important to highlight that the scope of this current
subproject is *only the ‘foundation’ *part of the framework.  If after the
foundation has been implemented the community wants to continue then we can
plan and implement the other pieces as the next steps. 

Watching the video about API design, the key recommendation was that APIs
should be simple, generic and agnostic. So what does that mean for us? I
think it means we need to step back from ‘OFBiz’ during this particular
analysis and design phase because we need to keep it simple. What I mean is
that we need to imagine that we want to write these foundation APIs for a
system that isn’t OFBiz. (Interesting thought – right?:-) So what could we
put in place to make it generic enough to work with or without OFBiz?

So at this foundation level – I think it’s important that we don’t have any
pre-conceived ideas about the scripting language, the business logic, the
data model or even the applications that will use it because all of these
are implemented in the levels above the foundation and not within the
foundation itself. 

I really think a minimalist approach with the foundation APIs is where we
need to start, then once we have then, we can then continue on to build the
implementation of our OFBiz specific requirements on top of it.

Thanks
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[FRAMEWORK] Notes from Skype Meeting - 23rd Oct 2015

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Yesterday we held a Skype call (Adrian, Ron, Taher and Myself)  to talk
about the proposed Framework re-write. Please see below the main points from
the meeting:

*Meeting Discussions*
We started by talking about our expectations. We then briefly discussed what
a framework is as there are different interpretations. Our agreed definition
was something around a basic central environment on top of which services,
applications or even scripting could run.  

We also talked about the way that the current OFBiz framework has evolved
and some of the resulting problems.  We have the opportunity to create
something completely new and robust that resolves the issues we have
encountered especially around dependencies.

We agreed that having a plan or roadmap would give us structure, visibility
and would also keep us focussed on our end goal. We also decided that it
would be good to start small and generic which would leave us open to able
to  expand into other areas in the future. 

*What do we want to Achieve?*
We had previously reviewed Adrian’s documentation   Initial Framework Vision
Document
  
and  Initial Framework Design Document

  
, and agreed during the meeting that this would be a good starting base for
us. In this proposed subproject we would like to implement a framework that
would initially comprise as follows:

   •Configuration.
   •Globalization (locale, time zone, currency).
   •Logging.
   •Security (authentication/authorization).
   •Actor Management (profiles, roles - required for security; Actors -
people, external services) Think of UML Actor. Required to remove dependency
on Party
   •Persistence (file system or database).
   •Lang package to provide classes that are fundamental to the framework
   •Services.
   •Runtime management

*Initial Approach *
At this stage we don’t currently have enough information to build our
implementation roadmap so have agreed on an approach that will help provide
that information.  The main steps are as follows:
/*
   Expand and complete Framework Design Documentation* /

   a.   We need to describe and define what is meant by each of the 9 areas
mentioned above. (what is it?, what does it do?). 
   b.   To do this we will write the API specification for each on the wiki 
   (*NOTE*: Even though the API spec will be include Javadoc, we want to
use the wiki rather than a repository at this stage as we want to validate
and agree them before any coding starts :-)
   c.   We will open the API specifications for review and comments from the
community, and based on feedback, do any updates
   d.   Once the API specifications are agreed, we will have more information
about the work involved and should be able to put together an initial
version of our implementation roadmap 

*Initial Deliverables *
   •An API Specification for each of the 9 areas including Javadoc
   •An Implementation Roadmap

*Initial Milestones*
   •Completion of each API specification (includes feedback and community
agreement) giving a total of 9

*Outstanding  Actions*
   •Find out what is involved in setting up a subproject repository and
mailing list for the subproject within Apache  (Sharan)
   •Continue to complete API Spec documentation including Javadoc (Ron and
Taher, with Adrian for review)
   •Review organisation and structure of other frameworks for ideas to
incorporate (All)

I hope that I've captured the main points so Taher, Ron and Adrian, please
feel free to add or update anything that I've missed or misinterpreted.

I also hope this update has been useful in giving everyone an idea of what
we are initially planning to do. Please remember that if you are interested
in helping us to complete the API specification documents or have any ideas
that you think it would be good to incorporate then please include your
comments in the various documents. As usual all contributions are welcome!

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Re: [QUESTION about OFBIZ-6618] growerptest Selenium component out or in OFBiz?

[Sharan-F]

Hi Hans

The component with its own menu system sounds interesting. 

Remember at Apachecon we talked about the possibility of setting up an OFBiz
Business Demo as an OFBiz component to showcase a a little of what OFBiz can
do. This could be a good use for such functionality.

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Re: Why A Framework Rewrite Is Necessary

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

I went away for the weekend and came back to mega thread of responses here –
which is great.  And I can see that some really good ideas have come out as
feedback already.

I think the next step is to see if we can get things moving. I’d like to try
and pull together anyone interested in joining an initial brainstorming
session to help organise and plan the work. We can do this offline via a
group call and then report back on our strategy and plan.

I’m not sure how many people we are talking about so I’ll setup a wiki page
for people to sign up that are interested in being involved. Then I'll see
if can plan a group call later this week or early next week.

Thanks
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Re: Why A Framework Rewrite Is Necessary

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

I've moved Adrian's Framework Vision page into the wiki 

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Another+Framework+Vision
  

and I've also created a page where people who are interested in helping can
'sign up' :-). 

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Potential+Framework+Sub+Project

  

Based on this we can see if we have enough momentum to start things moving.

Thanks
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Re: Why A Framework Rewrite Is Necessary

[Sharan-F]

 Hi Adrian

Thanks for bringing the framework topic up again as I've seen quite a few
disucussions about it but nothing has gained enough momentum to do anything
about it.

At Apachecon it was one of the main subjects that I wanted to raise because
it sounded like an " elephant in the room " topic (i;e ; something so big
and obvious that no one wants to look at). In the end we concluded to do
something on it even something small just to get some work started on it; 

I'm not a technical person so a lot of what you describe is a bit over my
head but thanks for including some good examples that at least give me a
feel for what the problem is ;

I think that some of the previous discussions have got caught up in defining
the solution before we'd agreed to fix the problem ; First we need to
acknowledge that we have a problem and second we need find out how many
people are willing to help fix it ;

I know that we have people in the community that are really motivated to do
work to help work on the framework ; and I think all that's missing (if we
decide to go ahead) will be planning and organisation ; (we plan what we
want to do and then break it down into tasks that people can pick up and
do) :

Personally I think you have made a really compelling and important  case and
I think we do have a really important problem that needs work and community
support. I would be happy to support it in whatever capacity I can;

Adrian - if the community does come out in support of a framework rewrite
;would you would be willing to help oversee it ? (as I think your input and
experience would be invaluable)

Thanks
Sharan





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Re: Welcome to our new committers Gil Portenseigne and Wei Zhang!

[Sharan-F]

That's great news! Congratulations Gil and Wei 

Thanks
Sharan



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What is the OFBiz Framework Strategy?

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

Am starting a new thread for discussion around the framework strategy and
any proposed changes based on some postings on the user mailing list.



Hi Sharan, Ron and everyone,

This thread mirrors what we discussed on Pierre's thread on having a
software eco-system around OFBiz. It seems many of the topics are repeating
around a central idea. In a nutshell, OFBiz is not designed in a very
modular way and components depend on each other too much.

I like the idea of moving the services and entities into a central location,
but I do not think this is a permanent fix for the root of the problem. The
question still remains: How do we break this thing down into reasonable
chunks that are easy to manage ?

So, although there is a lot of effort in cleaning the components up, we
first need to focus on the framework design itself. If we introduce a change
that adds better modularity then we can slowly evolve the system because the
architecture allows it and we do not have to do any crazy superman efforts
to fix things.

IMHO we should finalize the discussion that took place a while ago on the
strategy. We have multiple options to choose from, for example:

- Introduce Moqui as the core framework for the system
- Introduce a plugin framework like Apache Felix or Eclipse Equinox
- Write custom code to allow loose coupling. For example, we design the
framework so that a component would not fail if it does not find resources
from another component and there would be a graceful exception handling that
would simply ignore the missing pieces and operate with whatever is left.
- Work on, improve and integrate the OFBiz addon manager (ADM) and make it
part of the framework
- Another solution for example is to strip out anything that is shared
between any two components into a separate component so that you have a
component dependency structure that is 100% tree-like, just branching out so
for example, if order depends on accounting and accounting depends on order,
move stuff out from both components into a shared lower level component
(including widgets)

Bottom line, let's agree on a strategy, this is so important and would save
us hundreds of hours of cleanup work and really push us all in one
direction.

My personal preference is with a proven plugin architecture like the ones I
mentioned above (Felix or Equinox). However, Any of the above or even other
solutions are also good. Anything is better than not choosing a strategy.

My 2 cents

Cheers

Taher Alkhateeb.

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From: "Ron Wheeler" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 September, 2015 3:10:31 PM
Subject: Re: A New Initiative

The structure looks more reasonable.

With regard to the diagram, I have some questions.
Can the Party component really be extracted from the Framework?
If it can, what is left in the Party component as a separate thing?
What has to be moved to the Framework from Party?

How do we get from here to there?

Can Moqui be swapped into OFBiz as a framework if this is done right?
That is, can the layers be properly defined to allow different
components to be used in each of the components. Is there sufficient
value in this?

Ron

On 01/09/2015 4:02 AM, Sharan-F wrote:

> Hi All
>
> A while ago I put this diagram together to help visualise and plan some of
> the framework changes that people in the community had talked about.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Roadmap+Diagrams+-+In+Progress
>  
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Roadmap+Diagrams+-+In+Progress>
>
> The feedback on this idea was very positive and that it would bring some
> real benefits but I think no work was ever done around it. We have another
> Community Day coming up later this month so if we can agree on what needs
> to
> be done (even if it is only a small step) then I think it would be good to
> include it.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
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Re: Need OFBiz Expert (Installation Issue)

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Hi

Hopefully someone from the community will respond to you either via this
mailing list or privately. If you still haven't had any responses by the end
of the week then please post a reminder message.

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OFBiz - Apache Extras and OFBiz Extras

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

*Apache Extras*
There is some current planning in progress by the ASF to move all the code
in Apache Extras from Google onto SourceForge.  OFBiz has the following code
in Apache Extras

https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/hosting/search?q=label%3aOFBiz

I think they also expect to do some cleanup so we may need to get some
feedback from the community to see if this code is still current, needs to
be updated or  no longer needs to be included in Apache Extras.

*OFBiz Extras*
Doing some research, I found this historic mailing list thread 

http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OFBiz-and-Apache-Extras-td4471407.html 

which talked about the setup our our own version of this called OFBiz
Extras, which I think was parly done because of the following:

http://community.ofbizextra.org/community/control/Home   - basic site about
OFBiz Extra
https://demo.ofbizextra.org/partymgr/control/main  - a working version of
OFBiz that includes an Addon Manager for OFBiz and also a range of OFBiz
addons

We will probably need to start the discussion as to which way to go on this
(i.e Apache Extras vs OFBiz Extras)  and it might also be good to see what
addons are available that might be worth considering including in OFBiz (e.g
I'm currently looking at trying to move the Webhelp addon code into OFBiz to
render the online help)

What do people think?

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Moving Jira Users to the Jira Contributors Group

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Thanks for your feedback. The general feeling is that we do go ahead with
this. As a next step, I will go through the list of people on our list of
contributors on the wiki (see link below) looking for people with an ICLA in
place.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Contributors  

People with an ICLA in place that also have a Jira account, I will move into
the Jira Contributors group.

If I find anyone without an ICLA in place I won't move them into the
Contributors group for now but will contact them about getting an ICLA setup

For anyone that is not on our wiki contributors list buI does have a Jira
account then please add yourself to the wiki contributors list and I will
monitor it any changes.

Thanks
Sharan




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Moving Jira Users to the Jira Contributors Group

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

One issue that came up in the Community Day last Saturday was related to
Jira profile permissions. A while ago Pierre trialled the use of the
'Contributor' group permission within Jira. This group has additional
permissions to assign themselves to an issue (e.g. while they are preparing
a patch or doing analysis etc) and also they can add or remove issues from a
sprint.

The trial with Pierre went well and over the weekend I added Gil and Martin
into this group to resolve the issues they were having.

I'd like to suggest that we move everyone that has an ICLA in place from the
standard Jira user group into the Contributor group. What is the general
feedback on this?

Thanks
Sharan



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Picking up Jira Issues Assigned to Someone Else

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

Another topic that came up on the Community Day was whether a developer
could pick up a Jira issue already assigned to someone else.

At the moment I don't think we have any indication to show whether the
original assignee wants to keep the issue (e.g. they are already part way
through developing a solution) or whether they don't mind if someone else
picks it up to complete.

Does anyone have any feedback or ideas about how we could handle this?

Thanks
Sharan



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Move Application Entity Definitions to A Separate Component

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

I'd like to get some feedback on the a proposal Jacopo made a while ago to
find out if we have enough consenus to include it in our upcoming Community
Day.

*/Some time ago I proposed to move all entity definitions from the
applications components into a separate one; this component could also
contain crud/generic services: in this way it will be easier to deploy the
framework+data-model without the user interfaces that are not as generic and
universal as the data model is. In my opinion this would be a good step in
the right direction and it would be very easy to implement. /*

So my questions to you all are :

1. Can we reach a consenus as to whether or not we want to do it?
2. And if so, whether we want to include it as part of the work for our
Community Day next week? 

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Possible Documentation and help solutions - DITA

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher

Thanks for the response. 

I think that working through your action list would be a really good move so
am happy to work on it.

I think we'll need to take this discussion off the mailing list as it is
because we will need to share files (such as the ones that dont work etc) so
I will create a Jira to manage it. (The Jira updates will be posted back
here anyway!)

Thanks
Sharan





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Re: Possible Documentation and help solutions - DITA

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher

It would be good to understand what exactly is missing from our Docbook
implementation. It might  be that we have set the tags at a specific level
(e.g section etc) which means that we cant use  chapters etc.

I'm still thinking but the main thing that concerns me is this.

There is a lot of focus about changing the technology but no focus on how we
integrate it or manage it. It's not only about changing the technology - we
need to address the underlying problems. 

Why is our online documentation not being kept up to date?  These are the
main reasons I think are:

- it is too hard to keep up to date as each change needs to be submitted as
a patch 
- you need to understand and create the new data items for the CMS for each
page of documentation - existing items need to be linked into the correct
place in the document hierarchy 
- the docbook implementation isn't complete and there are a lot standard
tags that cannot be used

One the End User documentation side remember that Confluence is the Apache
approved tools for wiki so we still need to work within this constraint for
now. In any case – I think we firstly need to do some review of the all the
documentation we have before we start structuring it.

If changing to another format (DITA, Asciidoc etc) within OFBiz itself is
going to generate a lot of work on the framework etc – why don't we try some
small steps first just to see what we can do. It will also show if we can
really start adding some value.

Paul mentioned that Asciidoc could be a good compromise as it converts to
Docbook and other formats. 

What about doing a small proof of concept (PoC) just to see what editing
using Asciidoc could be like?

The scope would be not to replace Docbook in OFBiz but just to see how we
can use and edit in Asciidoc and how it can generate Docbook or other
formats.

- Could we extract the existing OFBiz online help and put it into Asciidoc
format
- Put the Online help Asciidoc somewhere where it can be edited and updated
- Extract updated Asciidoc back into Docbook (or other) format
- See if it can be re-introduced back into OFBiz (e.g. directly as a patch
or as part as an ant target)

Does this seem reasonable? If so are there any volunteers who'd like to work
with me on this PoC?

Thanks
Sharan




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Re: Possible Documentation and help solutions - DITA

[Sharan-F]

Hi Taher

I've just had a go with the validating the HR Guide file. When I ran the
validation the only message I got was that it stripped the namespace before
processing.

The output file was fine (I didnt include the path to the images so they are
coming out as blank frames) but everything else displays OK and all the
links within the document work.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Addons for OFBiz

[Sharan-F]

Hi

I also think it's great that this topic has been raised (so thanks Julien).

I would be really keen to participate in any effort that could simplify and
improve the user experience for OFBiz. Our demo is there to show people what
OFBiz can do but if it doesn't look very nice or easy to use then we have
lost them already.  I suppose it's a balance between showing something
functionally complete against trying to show that it can do everything but
needs to be customised.

There was an effort a while ago that David started looking at version of
OFBiz for small businesses called Ezbiz (I think it's still on the
Requirements and Designs workspace) 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/OFBiz+EZBiz
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/OFBiz+EZBiz but
it didnt get too far, I think due to lack of support so perhaps this could
help as a base otherwise we could start again from scratch (or use Julien's
model so far ).

Thanks
Sharan






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Photo or Avatar for Committers and PMC Members List

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

I've added a column to the Committer and PMC members list for people to add
a photo or avatar if they would like to.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+%28Project+Management+Committee%29+Members+and+Committers
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+%28Project+Management+Committee%29+Members+and+Committers
  

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Interesting resources about the code of conduct in our open source community

[Sharan-F]

Hi Jacopo

Thanks for sharing these links. 

I watched the video and thought it was very good. It highlights a lot of the
issues facing open source projects and gives some positive advice for
resolving them.

One of the key points she raises is that everything we say on mailing lists
is public and there are now organisations actively capturing and analysing
that information.

The figures used in her presentation analysing the percentage and level of
negative mailing list comments are from Apache Ant and Apache Tomcat (but it
could as easily have been taken from any Apache project including ours).

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: discussion: Move to Maven was:Re: svn commit: r1674216 - in /ofbiz/trunk: framework/start/pom.xml pom.xml

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

A reminder that this is a public list and while I understand that there is a
lot of heated discussions happening here - the use of swearwords or bad
language is not acceptable.

Thanks
Sharan







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Follow Us on Twitter

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

(This is a cross post from the user mailing list)

Exciting news - we now have a twitter account that we can use to communicate
news and information about the project plus any related topics.

Our account name is https://twitter.com/ApacheOfbiz – so please follow us.

Thanks
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Reminder: Community Day Survey

[Sharan-F]

Hi All 

I'm cross posting this message to try and get a bit more coverage as we've
only had 10 responses so far.

If you participated in the Community Day last weekend then please take a few
moments to complete our survey. (*NOTE*: If you didn't participate then
please don't do the survey)

This survey will help us gather feedback and information from participants
about how we can improve future Community Days.

The link to the survey is below 
  
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/V25MB73
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/V25MB73  

The survey will be open until *Friday 27th March 2015* and  I will  publish
the results on the Wiki. 

Thanks 
Sharan 



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OFBiz Logo with Open For Business Project Text Removed

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

A quick note to let you know that I've updated the project website to use a
modified logo (Thanks very much to Mandeep Sidhu for the graphic work!).

I think the image needs to be transparent so that it will display well over
any background so if anyone can me help out with converting the image to do
that, then please let me know.

Over the next few days I will be updating our marketing and branding pages
to make sure we are consistently communicating this updated logo.  I think
the two main ones to use as our project branding will be this updated logo
(i.e.without the Open For Business Project text) and the circular Powered By
Apache logo.  (I'll look at getting it updated with this logo (as the
existing one doesnt have the Trademark symbol included).

I'll also make a wiki page with a task list of where we need to update or
change the logo from the previous one and start working through that.There
are also a few places outside the wiki and website where the logo is used so
if you spot one that I haven't captured then please feel free to update my
task list and add it.

I know the previous logo with the Open For Business Project text has been
used in the releases and would suggest that we only currently change it in
the Trunk and 14.12 for now.

As usual – any feedback or help welcome!

Thanks
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Reminder: OFBiz Community Day - 21st March 2015

[Sharan-F]

(NOTE: This is a cross post from the User Mailing List because I want to
reach as many people as possible)

Hi Everyone 

I'm sending out another reminder for the OFBiz Community Day event that is
planned for Saturday 21st March. Details about the what a Community Day is
and how you can participate can be found on the wiki at the following link.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Community+Days
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Community+Days  

Please add this date to your diary and begin thinking about what type of
contribution you could make to the project.
In preparation we have setup a few tools to help:

*JIRA Sprint*
A Jira Sprint called 'Community Day 1 - 2015' has been created. (See link
below)

https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=64view=planning
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=64view=planning
  

If you work on a Jira issue please make sure that it is added to this sprint
as it allows us to collect some statistics about the number of issues worked
on and their status.

*NOTE*: We would like any work done to be linked to a Jira Issue so if one
doesn't exist for the work you'd like to do then please create one.

*Skype Group Chat*
A Skype Group chat (Thanks Pierre!) has been setup to be active on the
Community Day so that  people can join in, discuss topics or ask questions
about what they are working on.  See below for details of the link

http://skype:?chatblob=EwE9fNokF_yyVyxNR_d0zO-5qu3ml-b9RJ15GOLQFVunJyNrxHxtuZykUTwZVKpR2-U9iBtsg
http://skype:?chatblob=EwE9fNokF_yyVyxNR_d0zO-5qu3ml-b9RJ15GOLQFVunJyNrxHxtuZykUTwZVKpR2-U9iBtsg
  

NOTE: You will need a Skype address to access the group chat.

*Post Community Day Survey*
We'll also be sending out a link to a short survey to gather feedback about
the Community Day and how any future events could be improved.

This event will a great opportunity to see how our community can collaborate
globally to improve OFBiz and remember that all contributions are welcome –
no matter how small!

Thanks
Sharan 



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Jira Agile Dashboard and Sprint Details

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

Over the weekend I setup a sprint in Jira to coincide with the Hot Wax Bug
Crush event and assigned all our current backlog to that sprint. (I didnt
realise but this caused Jira to send out a message for every assignment – so
sorry for flooding people's email!)

I was interested in how Jira could help us in future manage and track issues
using the Agile Dashboard.

Here is a quick summary:

There is an OFBiz Agile Test Dashboard setup called OFBiz Test (we can
easily rename it) found here

https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=64view=planning
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=64view=planning
  

This default view is in planning mode. There is also a work mode and  a
report mode (see buttons in top right of screen)

Planning mode lists all the issues in our backlog and  all issues assigned
to a sprint.  I assigned all our current backlog to the sprint created at
the weekend. They will be automatically assigned to any future sprints
created until they are complete.

In Work Mode we can view the list of issues to do, those in progress and
those completed.

In Report Mode we can view the we look at various reports including the
Issue Burndown Chart or  Sprint Report. I've inlcuded a link to the Sprint
Report below (currently showing that 22 issues were closed during the
sprint). 

https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=64view=reportingchart=sprintRetrospectivesprint=91
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=64view=reportingchart=sprintRetrospectivesprint=91
  

I think this could be a good tool to help us track the work done during the
Community Day next month so I will setup a sprint for that event. Estimates
can be added to issues if we want to track that information but I haven't
been able to setup an Epic (but I'm not too sure if we want this anyway).

If there is interest then we can also use it on an on-going basis (e.g setup
a sprint every 2 weeks so that we can track the issues in progress and being
resolved).

What do people think? Feedback welcome.

Thanks
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Re: Jira Spam

[Sharan-F]

Hi Scott

Guilty and very guilty! 

 It's me that's generating this. I've been using the Jira Agile Dashboard to
setup a Sprint for the Hotwax Bug Crush today. I added our complete backlog
to the sprint (and that has caused Jira to generate all the messages).

I'm not going to touch anything else in the Sprint until tomorrow after the
event finishes! 

Thanks
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Re: New OFBiz Bug Crush Event tomorrow, trivia

[Sharan-F]

Thanks for sharing this.

I'm going to be a bit cheeky and take this as an opportunity to do some
tests with Jira and the Agile Dashboard and Sprint functionality. I've
created a new sprint called 'Bug Crush Event - 21/2/2015' and will add all
our backlog to it. Any issues the HWM team (or anyone else) works on today
will be flagged. 

At the end of the event I'll take a look at the Jira reports produced at the
end of the sprint and will share that with everyone.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Documentation tools documentation

[Sharan-F]

Hi Jacques

I think that if we already have an internal dedicated tool that we can use
for diagrams etc then it would be good to use it.

The issue that we had (and still have) is that some of the diagrams were
made using software that we dont have access to anymore so cant update them.
We didnt know about the internal tool and as a result  Ron suggested some
possible open source tools we could use and updated a diagram using one of
them.

I will update the documentation roadmap to say that we recommend using the
internal tool.

Thanks
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Re: Discussion: Project Vision, Direction and Roadmap

[Sharan-F]

Hi Gil

Thanks for your comments. To prepare the documents I used feedback from
Budapest and also this discussion on the mailing list.

http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Moving-commonext-from-applycations-to-specialpurpose-tp4658819.html
http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Moving-commonext-from-applycations-to-specialpurpose-tp4658819.html
  

The thread ended with a general positive response which is why I included
it. 

All the documents I've done are drafts and I see this thread is part of the
overall process to get community feedback and consensus on our approach. 

I do also expect that these documents will get updated and revised as part
of our discussions but so far I havent seen any feedback that completely
disagrees with the proposals. 

Thanks
Sharan











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Re: Discussion: Project Vision, Direction and Roadmap

[Sharan-F]

Hi Adrian

Thanks for the feedback. I agree that some link to Jira would be good.

What I was thinking about was a couple of things:

 1. In Jira we could create a high level issue that was the same as the high
level tasks we describe in the roadmap. We could then create sub tasks as
part of the high level task. It would be the sub task that gets assigned and
allocated out as the work. This would give us visibility of the amount of
work makes up each high level task. (I think it could also help focussing us
on getting specific things we want to include in particular releases). 

  2. On the Wiki roadmap page we could have a table or section with a link
to the high level tasks, the people that are working on it,a link to the
Jira Issue and a current status.

I've created an example of what I mean for the wiki here: (It's at the
bottom called Workplan)

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Framework+Roadmap
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Framework+Roadmap  

Once again, comments and feedback welcome.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Discussion: Project Vision, Direction and Roadmap

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Thanks - I will take a closer look at Jira and the Agile dashboard to see
what could be useful. 



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Discussion: Project Vision, Direction and Roadmap

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

Based on feedback from ApacheCon in Budapest and also some previous
discussions held on the mailing lists I’ve put together some draft documents
that I’d like to use for a discussion:

*Project Vision and Direction*

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Project+Vision+and+Direction
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Project+Vision+and+Direction
  

This goal of this document is to ensure that the project’s vision,
objectives and vision are clear. It should describe where we want the
project to go and highlight the key workstreams that we want to focus on as
a project. (Note - I’ve included 8 potential workstreams so would like some
feedback on these)

*Project Roadmap *

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Roadmaps
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Roadmaps  

The goal of this document is to give a more detailed view of the potential
workstreams. It also highlights the main high level tasks that we are
looking at in each area. (Once again this is just based on where I see some
of the proposals raised from Budapest so feedback welcome especially on what
could be covered in the technical areas)

*Individual Workstream Roadmap *

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+OFBiz+Core+Roadmap
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+OFBiz+Core+Roadmap  

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Framework+Roadmap
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Framework+Roadmap  

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Special+Purpose+Roadmap
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Special+Purpose+Roadmap
  

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Applications+Roadmap
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Applications+Roadmap  

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Documentation+Roadmap
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Documentation+Roadmap 
 

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Release+Management+Roadmap
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Release+Management+Roadmap
  

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Marketing+and+Communication+Roadmap
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+Marketing+and+Communication+Roadmap
  

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+General+Maintenance+and+Housekeeping
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Draft+General+Maintenance+and+Housekeeping
  

The goal of this document is to gather support and community commitment and
involvement to a particular workstream. I’ve tried to identify a list of
roles that could be needed to move a workstream forward.  This could be then
communicated to the community so that they could see which areas need help
and what skills or tasks are required. (I need some help filling out these
details a bit more from a technical side)

Anyway please take a look at these draft documents and let me have your
comments and feedback. 

Thanks
Sharan




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Re: Wiki modifications : text translation

[Sharan-F]

Hi Gil

I'm going to start moving the documents from the OFBTECH space into the Wiki
today - so hopefully later today or tomorrow you should be able to access
the Text Translation page.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Wiki modifications : text translation

[Sharan-F]

Hi Gil

I've moved the page to the Wiki here

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Text+Translation
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Text+Translation  

so you should be able to update it now.

Thanks
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OFBTECH Security Redesign Pages

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

Can I archive all of these pages regarding the Security Redesign? 

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/OFBiz+Security+Redesign
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/OFBiz+Security+Redesign  

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: Moving the bi component from framework to specialpurpose

[Sharan-F]

+1 

Thanks
Sharan




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Re: Welcome Sharan Foga as new PMC member

[Sharan-F]

Thanks everyone for making me feel really welcome. I think it's really all
about us continuing to work together to make OFBiz better and better!

Thanks
Sharan





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Re: Remove an account from the chart of accounts

[Sharan-F]

Hi All

I’ve been offline for a few days so missed the original post.

Jacques – you’ve been running through the tutorial but please take a look in
the main chapter on Business Accounting Setup on page 68.

There is a paragraph as follows

“It is important that you do not remove accounts that are active or have
already been used for transactions. Even if the net balance is zero then
from an audit perspective you should not be removing accounts”

“….You should only try to remove accounts have never been used…..”

Jacopo / Pierre  - this on page 66 in your versions of the book.

I'll make a note to update these details into the tutorial even if it’s a
bit of duplication – it is important.

Thanks
Sharan




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Re: [VOTE] [RELEASE] Apache OFBiz 11.04.05 (2nd vote)

[Sharan-F]

+1



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Re: [VOTE] [RELEASE] Apache OFBiz 12.04.04 (4th vote)

[Sharan-F]

+1. Hashes and Signatures are fine. 

One minor thing I found was that the eCommerce Store didnt display any
products on the main page although I could add products to the cart and
create orders normally. If no one else has experienced this then I think
it's just be related to my setup.



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Re: svn commit: r1614830 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

[Sharan-F]

Hi

OK - I'll try and add the I am speaking... badge to the item.

I did already include some links.

The first link was only to the general ApacheCon Europe site 
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe   I think
Jacques one links the registration page.

Also I did include a link the the schedule but used 
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/schedule
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/schedule  
rather the sched one. If that's the official one then I can change it.

Thanks
Sharan





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Re: Welcome Sharan Foga as new committer

[Sharan-F]

Thank you everyone for your warm welcome and good wishes!

Being invited to become a committer was something that was totally
unexpected for me (but nice too!) and I'm just happy to be able to continue
working with everyone to improve OFBiz.

Thanks
Sharan



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Re: ApacheCon and OFBiz

[Sharan-F]

Hi Erwan

Definitely! I think it's good promotion and marketing for OFBiz in general
plus it can help attract new users. Ruth and I would be keen to do some of
the sessions.

Thanks
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Re: Suggested feature on new UI for the front page

[Sharan-F]

+1

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Proposal Guidelines for News Items

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

I've created a page on the Wiki with the proposal suggested by Scott. I
think this topic has been discussed in depth quite a lot lately – so I'd
like to suggest that we try and finalise it so that it's clear for everyone
going forward.

Here's the link the the page with the proposal for news items.
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/iwfi

If anyone is opposed to adopting these guidelines then please speak up.

On the other hand if everyone is happy to adopt this then I'd like to
suggest the following:

1. the page (or content) is moved to somewhere secure as you wont want
anyone to overwrite or delete, what's been agreed
2. a link from the news section be made to the page content.

Let's see if we can get this issue solved and get back to what we all do
best - OFBiz!

I'm happy to get any feedback on this.

Thanks
Sharan
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Re: Proposal Guidelines for News Items

[Sharan-F]

Hi David

If that's what the community wants then thats OK with me but I think we need
to define what 'news' is. For example is the book by Packt publishing
classed as news or promotional material? (To me its news but it also
promotes Packt)

I think if there can be any ambiguity then we need something the say what is
acceptable and what is not. If Tim has this covered then great but I'd still
think it would be good to have something written somewhere so we're all
clear on what's what.

Thanks
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Re: Proposal Guidelines for News Items

[Sharan-F]

Hi Everyone

I disagree with David – I dont think those are the only two options
available. 

This is the issue the way I see it  - it's about OFBiz service providers
putting content (eg tutorials, guides, blogs) in the news section.  So if
all these are now to be moved to a wiki page – then that's great – as long
as this is agreed.

From what people are saying - this is the way we want to go so please can
someone remove the link to  the  manufacturing guide from the news section.
I'm happy to add it to the new wiki page.

So the next question – what is news? How about this for a definition –
something that is reported from a source not that is not directly linked to
the OFBiz project or a service provider. The only caveat here is that I
would suggest the inclusion of  information from ASF itself.  

This is a simple definition with a simple formula that can be easily
understood. So for example – the Packt book is news and if an OFBiz service
provider does something that is reported by say the Washington Post, then
that's news too.

Could this be an acceptable definition and solution ?  

Thanks
Sharan
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