Re: Time to think about a Language Update release?
On 11/12/13 4:48 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Nov 11, 2013 6:37 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/10/13 8:06 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/11/3 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net Andrea Pescetti wrote: Comparing http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html and https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ I see that we have: - Two unreleased languages that are now 100% translated (Bulgarian and Danish) - One language with only about 1000 words left and activity in the last week (Norwegian Bokmal) - Three languages with about 4000 words left and activity in the last week (Thai, Uighur, Hebrew; Indonesian and Icelandic are in the same group, but less active) Would it make sense to schedule a language update 4.0.1 release for late November? I mean something like: announce a translation deadline on the l10n list, produce SDF files for the languages that reach 100% (which of course already include Bulgarian and Danish, and hopefully some of the other languages listed above), building only those languages and releasing an updated source package and binaries for those languages. Yes I believe that it would make sense and would add to our reputation for actively supporting native languages. Indeed. +1 from my part for a language update to 4.0.1. Regards, Ricardo +1 I also think this would be a good idea...hopefully our Release Manager will comment soon. In general I am always a fan of having further languages available as soon as possible. But we are still in the situation that our builds and releases take some time. We have no Mac build bot and we don't have Linux systems that can build against our currently existing baseline. I know we don't have a Mac buildbot but what is meant by the Linux comment. The last I saw 32-bit nightly was OK. 64-bit success seems intermittent. Is this what you mean? as far as I know the build bots are based on newer systems (Ubuntu 12.04 for 32 bit and 10.04 for 64bit). We build on an older CentOS 5.10 system which is comaptible to RedHat Enterprise Linux 5. This ensures that our builds can be used on more different Linux systems. Juergen All this should be taken into account and even a language update requires some time and we should think careful if we want to do it for 2 languages only. I we can complete at least 5 languages until end of Nov. we can make language update only. Means we will release only this new languages on the AOO401 branch + a new source release. The same as we did for 3.4.1 where we released 12 new languages. And this is only a time limiting factor because many other things are to do and we already started thinking about a 4.1 release. But I am open and in the end I won't be the limiting element here even if I ave to do major parts of such a release Juergen It would make more snse So this would work like we did for 3.4.1 when we added new languages. Why not call it 4.0.2? Well, we already discussed it, but the main reasons would be: for the languages already released in 4.0.1, 4.0.2 would be identical (example: 4.0.1 in French would be identical to 4.0.2 in French) since all commits in the meantime have been done to trunk; a new 4.0.2 release takes a much larger effort than a 4.0.1 language update, so it is harder to find volunteers and this is worth doing only if we have some important bugfixes for 4.0.1 to include (and I don't see any at the moment). It would make more sense for it to be 4.0.1 unless there were critical bug fixes that would justify a 4.0.2. The only potential glitch that I see is handling the release notes. I have a couple of ideas that I will lay out in a separate thread if we decide to go ahead with a language only release. Regards Keith Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Time to think about a Language Update release?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: On 11/12/13 4:48 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Nov 11, 2013 6:37 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/10/13 8:06 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/11/3 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net Andrea Pescetti wrote: Comparing http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html and https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ I see that we have: - Two unreleased languages that are now 100% translated (Bulgarian and Danish) - One language with only about 1000 words left and activity in the last week (Norwegian Bokmal) - Three languages with about 4000 words left and activity in the last week (Thai, Uighur, Hebrew; Indonesian and Icelandic are in the same group, but less active) Would it make sense to schedule a language update 4.0.1 release for late November? I mean something like: announce a translation deadline on the l10n list, produce SDF files for the languages that reach 100% (which of course already include Bulgarian and Danish, and hopefully some of the other languages listed above), building only those languages and releasing an updated source package and binaries for those languages. Yes I believe that it would make sense and would add to our reputation for actively supporting native languages. Indeed. +1 from my part for a language update to 4.0.1. Regards, Ricardo +1 I also think this would be a good idea...hopefully our Release Manager will comment soon. In general I am always a fan of having further languages available as soon as possible. But we are still in the situation that our builds and releases take some time. We have no Mac build bot and we don't have Linux systems that can build against our currently existing baseline. I know we don't have a Mac buildbot but what is meant by the Linux comment. The last I saw 32-bit nightly was OK. 64-bit success seems intermittent. Is this what you mean? as far as I know the build bots are based on newer systems (Ubuntu 12.04 for 32 bit and 10.04 for 64bit). We build on an older CentOS 5.10 system which is comaptible to RedHat Enterprise Linux 5. This ensures that our builds can be used on more different Linux systems. Juergen OK. I think I will start a new thread on Linux builds -- specifically deliverables. We need to gain clarity on what is going on here, I think. All this should be taken into account and even a language update requires some time and we should think careful if we want to do it for 2 languages only. I we can complete at least 5 languages until end of Nov. we can make language update only. Means we will release only this new languages on the AOO401 branch + a new source release. The same as we did for 3.4.1 where we released 12 new languages. And this is only a time limiting factor because many other things are to do and we already started thinking about a 4.1 release. But I am open and in the end I won't be the limiting element here even if I ave to do major parts of such a release Juergen It would make more snse So this would work like we did for 3.4.1 when we added new languages. Why not call it 4.0.2? Well, we already discussed it, but the main reasons would be: for the languages already released in 4.0.1, 4.0.2 would be identical (example: 4.0.1 in French would be identical to 4.0.2 in French) since all commits in the meantime have been done to trunk; a new 4.0.2 release takes a much larger effort than a 4.0.1 language update, so it is harder to find volunteers and this is worth doing only if we have some important bugfixes for 4.0.1 to include (and I don't see any at the moment). It would make more sense for it to be 4.0.1 unless there were critical bug fixes that would justify a 4.0.2. The only potential glitch that I see is handling the release notes. I have a couple of ideas that I will lay out in a separate thread if we decide to go ahead with a language only release. Regards Keith Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK “Unless someone like you cares a
Re: Time to think about a Language Update release?
On 11/11/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: I we can complete at least 5 languages until end of Nov. we can make language update only. Means we will release only this new languages on the AOO401 branch + a new source release. The same as we did for 3.4.1 where we released 12 new languages. Thank you, makes a lot of sense. I posted some more information to the l10n list and I volunteer for monitoring progress, sending reminders, checking translations status, and in general everything that can help with getting some translations completed by the end of November. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Time to think about a Language Update release?
On Nov 11, 2013 6:37 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/10/13 8:06 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/11/3 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net Andrea Pescetti wrote: Comparing http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html and https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ I see that we have: - Two unreleased languages that are now 100% translated (Bulgarian and Danish) - One language with only about 1000 words left and activity in the last week (Norwegian Bokmal) - Three languages with about 4000 words left and activity in the last week (Thai, Uighur, Hebrew; Indonesian and Icelandic are in the same group, but less active) Would it make sense to schedule a language update 4.0.1 release for late November? I mean something like: announce a translation deadline on the l10n list, produce SDF files for the languages that reach 100% (which of course already include Bulgarian and Danish, and hopefully some of the other languages listed above), building only those languages and releasing an updated source package and binaries for those languages. Yes I believe that it would make sense and would add to our reputation for actively supporting native languages. Indeed. +1 from my part for a language update to 4.0.1. Regards, Ricardo +1 I also think this would be a good idea...hopefully our Release Manager will comment soon. In general I am always a fan of having further languages available as soon as possible. But we are still in the situation that our builds and releases take some time. We have no Mac build bot and we don't have Linux systems that can build against our currently existing baseline. I know we don't have a Mac buildbot but what is meant by the Linux comment. The last I saw 32-bit nightly was OK. 64-bit success seems intermittent. Is this what you mean? All this should be taken into account and even a language update requires some time and we should think careful if we want to do it for 2 languages only. I we can complete at least 5 languages until end of Nov. we can make language update only. Means we will release only this new languages on the AOO401 branch + a new source release. The same as we did for 3.4.1 where we released 12 new languages. And this is only a time limiting factor because many other things are to do and we already started thinking about a 4.1 release. But I am open and in the end I won't be the limiting element here even if I ave to do major parts of such a release Juergen It would make more snse So this would work like we did for 3.4.1 when we added new languages. Why not call it 4.0.2? Well, we already discussed it, but the main reasons would be: for the languages already released in 4.0.1, 4.0.2 would be identical (example: 4.0.1 in French would be identical to 4.0.2 in French) since all commits in the meantime have been done to trunk; a new 4.0.2 release takes a much larger effort than a 4.0.1 language update, so it is harder to find volunteers and this is worth doing only if we have some important bugfixes for 4.0.1 to include (and I don't see any at the moment). It would make more sense for it to be 4.0.1 unless there were critical bug fixes that would justify a 4.0.2. The only potential glitch that I see is handling the release notes. I have a couple of ideas that I will lay out in a separate thread if we decide to go ahead with a language only release. Regards Keith Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Time to think about a Language Update release?
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Ricardo Berlasso rgb.m...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/11/3 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Comparing http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html and https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ I see that we have: - Two unreleased languages that are now 100% translated (Bulgarian and Danish) - One language with only about 1000 words left and activity in the last week (Norwegian Bokmal) - Three languages with about 4000 words left and activity in the last week (Thai, Uighur, Hebrew; Indonesian and Icelandic are in the same group, but less active) Would it make sense to schedule a language update 4.0.1 release for late November? I mean something like: announce a translation deadline on the l10n list, produce SDF files for the languages that reach 100% (which of course already include Bulgarian and Danish, and hopefully some of the other languages listed above), building only those languages and releasing an updated source package and binaries for those languages. Yes I believe that it would make sense and would add to our reputation for actively supporting native languages. Indeed. +1 from my part for a language update to 4.0.1. Regards, Ricardo +1 I also think this would be a good idea...hopefully our Release Manager will comment soon. It would make more snse So this would work like we did for 3.4.1 when we added new languages. Why not call it 4.0.2? Well, we already discussed it, but the main reasons would be: for the languages already released in 4.0.1, 4.0.2 would be identical (example: 4.0.1 in French would be identical to 4.0.2 in French) since all commits in the meantime have been done to trunk; a new 4.0.2 release takes a much larger effort than a 4.0.1 language update, so it is harder to find volunteers and this is worth doing only if we have some important bugfixes for 4.0.1 to include (and I don't see any at the moment). It would make more sense for it to be 4.0.1 unless there were critical bug fixes that would justify a 4.0.2. The only potential glitch that I see is handling the release notes. I have a couple of ideas that I will lay out in a separate thread if we decide to go ahead with a language only release. Regards Keith Regards, Andrea. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSdpViAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCBUEIAJsZ4L1VznYd3eM66QdCQfi3 fN/v+488QzGVjWDqSTL77S0AXI/+AdnWpi8uTTiS86VRlVU+JpVxSLXyiOp7XqZH llF/4gqYtZgCat7GqLrN7b377H0mY2VkCGfMy1W/1CeypDYtimvSA29Uaan0TQhU B+kssxfXZeRGg+6EL5odHKvFaYEN+q/01GFTvK7+TFaW7x5Z1rkK5MoVn07TeQUC /myU1l+m9UJ3TtA6MRKai+tqCLkUzUnFLgWoSh+oo1l6o6wGd1HYdmwL6adT7Nvg 9KidA6AhJjHSsR9quKqGbaaFHSv5RKNfHvjcVYWNZO9C+Jwva5sywcOFqEz5j7U= =8n2C -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
Time to think about a Language Update release?
Comparing http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html and https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ I see that we have: - Two unreleased languages that are now 100% translated (Bulgarian and Danish) - One language with only about 1000 words left and activity in the last week (Norwegian Bokmal) - Three languages with about 4000 words left and activity in the last week (Thai, Uighur, Hebrew; Indonesian and Icelandic are in the same group, but less active) Would it make sense to schedule a language update 4.0.1 release for late November? I mean something like: announce a translation deadline on the l10n list, produce SDF files for the languages that reach 100% (which of course already include Bulgarian and Danish, and hopefully some of the other languages listed above), building only those languages and releasing an updated source package and binaries for those languages. So this would work like we did for 3.4.1 when we added new languages. Why not call it 4.0.2? Well, we already discussed it, but the main reasons would be: for the languages already released in 4.0.1, 4.0.2 would be identical (example: 4.0.1 in French would be identical to 4.0.2 in French) since all commits in the meantime have been done to trunk; a new 4.0.2 release takes a much larger effort than a 4.0.1 language update, so it is harder to find volunteers and this is worth doing only if we have some important bugfixes for 4.0.1 to include (and I don't see any at the moment). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Time to think about a Language Update release?
Am 11/03/2013 04:55 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Comparing http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html and https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ I see that we have: - Two unreleased languages that are now 100% translated (Bulgarian and Danish) - One language with only about 1000 words left and activity in the last week (Norwegian Bokmal) - Three languages with about 4000 words left and activity in the last week (Thai, Uighur, Hebrew; Indonesian and Icelandic are in the same group, but less active) Would it make sense to schedule a language update 4.0.1 release for late November? I mean something like: announce a translation deadline on the l10n list, produce SDF files for the languages that reach 100% (which of course already include Bulgarian and Danish, and hopefully some of the other languages listed above), building only those languages and releasing an updated source package and binaries for those languages. doing another release for new languages? Yes. But if it's end of November or a bit later, I don't care. Maybe we can judge on the answers on @l10n? If we agree on a release then I would favor for a date before end of 2013 in any case. So this would work like we did for 3.4.1 when we added new languages. Why not call it 4.0.2? Well, we already discussed it, but the main reasons would be: for the languages already released in 4.0.1, 4.0.2 would be identical (example: 4.0.1 in French would be identical to 4.0.2 in French) since all commits in the meantime have been done to trunk; a new 4.0.2 release takes a much larger effort than a 4.0.1 language update, so it is harder to find volunteers and this is worth doing only if we have some important bugfixes for 4.0.1 to include (and I don't see any at the moment). For a new languages only release I would expect a version 4.0.1. If we have some new or bugfixed code then of course 4.0.2. But only then. My 2 ct. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Time to think about a Language Update release?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Comparing http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html and https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ I see that we have: - Two unreleased languages that are now 100% translated (Bulgarian and Danish) - One language with only about 1000 words left and activity in the last week (Norwegian Bokmal) - Three languages with about 4000 words left and activity in the last week (Thai, Uighur, Hebrew; Indonesian and Icelandic are in the same group, but less active) Would it make sense to schedule a language update 4.0.1 release for late November? I mean something like: announce a translation deadline on the l10n list, produce SDF files for the languages that reach 100% (which of course already include Bulgarian and Danish, and hopefully some of the other languages listed above), building only those languages and releasing an updated source package and binaries for those languages. Yes I believe that it would make sense and would add to our reputation for actively supporting native languages. It would make more snse So this would work like we did for 3.4.1 when we added new languages. Why not call it 4.0.2? Well, we already discussed it, but the main reasons would be: for the languages already released in 4.0.1, 4.0.2 would be identical (example: 4.0.1 in French would be identical to 4.0.2 in French) since all commits in the meantime have been done to trunk; a new 4.0.2 release takes a much larger effort than a 4.0.1 language update, so it is harder to find volunteers and this is worth doing only if we have some important bugfixes for 4.0.1 to include (and I don't see any at the moment). It would make more sense for it to be 4.0.1 unless there were critical bug fixes that would justify a 4.0.2. The only potential glitch that I see is handling the release notes. I have a couple of ideas that I will lay out in a separate thread if we decide to go ahead with a language only release. Regards Keith Regards, Andrea. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSdpViAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCBUEIAJsZ4L1VznYd3eM66QdCQfi3 fN/v+488QzGVjWDqSTL77S0AXI/+AdnWpi8uTTiS86VRlVU+JpVxSLXyiOp7XqZH llF/4gqYtZgCat7GqLrN7b377H0mY2VkCGfMy1W/1CeypDYtimvSA29Uaan0TQhU B+kssxfXZeRGg+6EL5odHKvFaYEN+q/01GFTvK7+TFaW7x5Z1rkK5MoVn07TeQUC /myU1l+m9UJ3TtA6MRKai+tqCLkUzUnFLgWoSh+oo1l6o6wGd1HYdmwL6adT7Nvg 9KidA6AhJjHSsR9quKqGbaaFHSv5RKNfHvjcVYWNZO9C+Jwva5sywcOFqEz5j7U= =8n2C -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Time to think about a Language Update release?
2013/11/3 Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Comparing http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html and https://translate.apache.org/projects/aoo40/ I see that we have: - Two unreleased languages that are now 100% translated (Bulgarian and Danish) - One language with only about 1000 words left and activity in the last week (Norwegian Bokmal) - Three languages with about 4000 words left and activity in the last week (Thai, Uighur, Hebrew; Indonesian and Icelandic are in the same group, but less active) Would it make sense to schedule a language update 4.0.1 release for late November? I mean something like: announce a translation deadline on the l10n list, produce SDF files for the languages that reach 100% (which of course already include Bulgarian and Danish, and hopefully some of the other languages listed above), building only those languages and releasing an updated source package and binaries for those languages. Yes I believe that it would make sense and would add to our reputation for actively supporting native languages. Indeed. +1 from my part for a language update to 4.0.1. Regards, Ricardo It would make more snse So this would work like we did for 3.4.1 when we added new languages. Why not call it 4.0.2? Well, we already discussed it, but the main reasons would be: for the languages already released in 4.0.1, 4.0.2 would be identical (example: 4.0.1 in French would be identical to 4.0.2 in French) since all commits in the meantime have been done to trunk; a new 4.0.2 release takes a much larger effort than a 4.0.1 language update, so it is harder to find volunteers and this is worth doing only if we have some important bugfixes for 4.0.1 to include (and I don't see any at the moment). It would make more sense for it to be 4.0.1 unless there were critical bug fixes that would justify a 4.0.2. The only potential glitch that I see is handling the release notes. I have a couple of ideas that I will lay out in a separate thread if we decide to go ahead with a language only release. Regards Keith Regards, Andrea. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSdpViAAoJEH0fu5UhGmBCBUEIAJsZ4L1VznYd3eM66QdCQfi3 fN/v+488QzGVjWDqSTL77S0AXI/+AdnWpi8uTTiS86VRlVU+JpVxSLXyiOp7XqZH llF/4gqYtZgCat7GqLrN7b377H0mY2VkCGfMy1W/1CeypDYtimvSA29Uaan0TQhU B+kssxfXZeRGg+6EL5odHKvFaYEN+q/01GFTvK7+TFaW7x5Z1rkK5MoVn07TeQUC /myU1l+m9UJ3TtA6MRKai+tqCLkUzUnFLgWoSh+oo1l6o6wGd1HYdmwL6adT7Nvg 9KidA6AhJjHSsR9quKqGbaaFHSv5RKNfHvjcVYWNZO9C+Jwva5sywcOFqEz5j7U= =8n2C -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
