Re: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Bernd Eilers
Eike Rathke wrote: Hi Mathias, Hi Eike, On Friday, 2007-11-09 20:09:26 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote: Note that everywhere where there is a feature-info: in the Spec. abstract column of the Release Notes the process used a dirty fallback Why is that fallback dirty? I don't think that

Re: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Bernd Eilers
Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Bernd, Hi Frank, Just have a look at http://development.openoffice.org/releases/2.3.0.html to get an impression, these are the actucal release notes for the 2.3.0 user Release. And that´s the result of what we currently

Re: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Bernd, Well yes it´s a rather simple algorithm and well normally your expectation would be right that in this case the text from the first paragraph of the abstract would be used. But well here it´s special. The spec document has been changed in a way that the abstract can not be

Re: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Bernd, On Wednesday, 2007-11-14 10:06:21 +0100, Bernd Eilers wrote: Seconded. The dirty in the fall-back is that it doesn't preserve formatting ;-) i.e. the text written should be surrounded by pre tags, e.g. see i74918 in http://development.openoffice.org/releases/2.3.0.html Oh no Eike,

Re: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Eike, Bernd, *, Eike Rathke wrote (14-11-2007 12:07) On Wednesday, 2007-11-14 10:06:21 +0100, Bernd Eilers wrote: What I consider bad on using this fallback is the problem that the feature-info is often to technical to be used for the release notes, eg. it´s often mentioning stuff like

[dev] Meet me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-14 Thread Zvi Har'El
Hi, I am new to this list. As you see from my signature, I am a mathematician by education, but also a computer hacker with 25 years experience. As an advocate of open source software, I have been using OOo from day one, and have a lot of experience with it. Now that I have started to be

Re: [dev] Meet me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-14 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Zvi, Zvi Har'El wrote (14-11-2007 12:40) [...] base, at http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=83346. I have proceeded in pursuing this issue, and got the feeling I am talking to myself! [...] I'm not a OOo developer. I think there's some deadline around these day's. So I

Re: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Bernd Eilers
Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Bernd, Hi Frank, Well yes it´s a rather simple algorithm and well normally your expectation would be right that in this case the text from the first paragraph of the abstract would be used. But well here it´s special. The spec document

[dev] Relase Notes automation, WAS: Re: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Bernd Eilers
Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Eike, Bernd, *, Hi there! Eike Rathke wrote (14-11-2007 12:07) On Wednesday, 2007-11-14 10:06:21 +0100, Bernd Eilers wrote: What I consider bad on using this fallback is the problem that the feature-info is often to technical to be used for the release notes, eg.

[dev] automatic release notes (was: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications)

2007-11-14 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Bernd, Looking into the allfeatures mailing list (did I already say kudos to you for working around collab.net's bug, so this list now works, again?), of the last 10 feature mails, 8 contained a specification link, where 5 referred to older-and-extended specs (including the broken one). Means

Re: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Bernd Eilers
sophie gautier wrote: Hi all, Hi there! [...] Also, it's not the job or competence of a developer to write end user compatible, is it? Would be a pity if that took a lot of effort. I completely agree with you. And we need to go to the complete description (issue, specs) to fully

Re: [dev] feature feedback channels

2007-11-14 Thread Bernd Eilers
Hi Frank, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Joe, There should be some link on the feature announcement, either to an issue id, or to a mailing address ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is not useful to outsiders!) or mailing list where comments can be made that will definitely be seen

Re: [dev] Meet me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-11-14 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Shalom Zvi, welcome to the project! I do not know exactly how you can help to improve the issue you pointed out, but perhaps you might be interested in helping out with the Hebrew localization? Check this out: http://he.openoffice.org Hope this helps, Charles. Zvi Har'El a écrit : Hi, I

Re: [dev] feature feedback channels

2007-11-14 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Bernd, On Wednesday, 2007-11-14 18:02:29 +0100, Bernd Eilers wrote: This can even be automated (sic!), since for the feature mail, you need to specify a project, anyway, which means the mail goes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adding some additional feedback to [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be easily

Re: [dev] feature feedback channels

2007-11-14 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germa ny
Hi Eike, This can even be automated (sic!), since for the feature mail, you need to specify a project, anyway, which means the mail goes to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adding some additional feedback to [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be easily possible, /me thinks. Just adding that mentally to a

Re: [dev] feature feedback channels

2007-11-14 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Frank, On Wednesday, 2007-11-14 21:42:42 +0100, Frank Schönheit wrote: As a side note: users@ lists are irregularly read by developers, and for some projects like framework a [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't even exist and wouldn't make much sense either. Better would be some [EMAIL

Re: [dev] feature feedback channels

2007-11-14 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germa ny
Hi Eike, This seems to be a misunderstanding, the @ooo I used above was meant to be read as @openoffice.org, no project involved. Okay, I in fact misunderstood it. So you also suggested one global feedback list ... Perhaps [EMAIL PROTECTED] could be the choice then. It would contradict my

Re: [dev] REMINDER: use specification templates for specifications

2007-11-14 Thread Mathias Bauer
Bernd Eilers wrote: There´s no path to the specification without the feature mail and thus a fallback to use the specification if no feature mail is there is not possible. I think it is clear that we *always* should have a feature mail. The spec should be the fallback for the missing