Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist (community wishlist built experimentation)

2012-10-18 Thread Paweł Paprota
On 10/18/2012 05:04 AM, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: I do, but as you said, alone isn't gone be an easy task, that's why I'll soon be proposing this on talk, with the hope to get the help of everyone. I have just no ideas if something usefull could get out of this, if that won't just turn to

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist (community wishlist built experimentation)

2012-10-18 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On jeudi 18 octobre 2012, Paweł Paprota wrote: It's great that you are driving this. One potential use of such list would be defining the Top Ten Tasks list. A list with that name allready exists, therefore I don't want to say that this list would define the TTT However, any admin is of

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist (community wishlist built experimentation)

2012-10-18 Thread Kai Krueger
On 10/17/2012 09:04 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: However, it is not limited anymore to what people think should go into the next API 0.7 version (I think it's even worse when you ask non-techies people to find a solution themself) but to something gathering ideas of wishes they find usefull

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist (community wishlist built experimentation)

2012-10-18 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On jeudi 18 octobre 2012, Kai Krueger wrote: I would suggest putting it on help.openstreetmap.org rather than on the wiki. For sure, a wiki for voting purpose is to be classified as one of the worst tool to do it, but it was easy to copy the first wishes from the same syntax. Using help

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist (community wishlist built experimentation)

2012-10-18 Thread Andy Allan
On 18 October 2012 16:27, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: I would suggest putting it on help.openstreetmap.org rather than on the wiki. I know that is a bit of an abuse of help, but the builtin voting system and reordering according to votes can be useful to help filter the list of

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist (community wishlist built experimentation)

2012-10-18 Thread Alex Barth
Sweet - I think such a list is great and useful for further informing priorities in OSM. I'd love to see this framed larger than the Knight funded work though. I am really worried about expectations. OpenStreetMap won't cover larger improvement needs with 500+k, OpenStreetMap need a lot more

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist (community wishlist built experimentation)

2012-10-17 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Le mardi 16 octobre 2012 14:29:08, Paweł Paprota a écrit : I think this would be A LOT of work and probably not for only one person but I for one would love to see end-users more involved during development phase - testing, feedback, incremental improvements and all that. So the question

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-16 Thread Peter Körner
Hi Am 12.10.2012 16:14, schrieb Serge Wroclawski: I made a second issue at the same time regarding gathering histrorical data around way geometry. Right now, due to the way OSM stores its geometry data, the only way to know about a way's geometry history is to call the history call for the

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-16 Thread Paweł Paprota
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 01:03, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: If you propose to change it by creating a community-driven (instead of admin-driven as you put it) wishlist, by any means - do it. The operative word being do. I'll be glad to do so, and will start it. Unless the MapBox team

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On vendredi 12 octobre 2012, Tom MacWright wrote: Hey all (or, well, those subscribed to dev@ - my flamewar shields are at 50% so I'm not risking an email to talk), This only is my opinion, but wishlists shouldn't be reduced to those subscribed to dev@ Maybe start on dev, but I think a wiki

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Tom MacWright
Hey Sly, This only is my opinion, but wishlists shouldn't be reduced to those subscribed to dev@ Maybe start on dev, but I think a wiki page should better be suited for a summary of the ~3/5 tasks to focus on. Yes and no. Everything is a trade between being totally open (announce it on IRC and

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On lundi 15 octobre 2012, Tom MacWright wrote: Hey Sly, Hi tom, Yes and no. Everything is a trade between being totally open (announce it on IRC and see what the crowd thinks!) and being totally productive (hole up and just do it until you're done and then realize it's duplicated effort).

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Paweł Paprota
top ten tasks is These are the Top Ten Tasks that the OSM System Administrators What about the community ? This only is a todo list by the admins, for the admins coded by the admins. So far so good, but that's not a wishlist, or, at least, not a wishlist of the community.

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 18:13 +0200, Paweł Paprota wrote: top ten tasks is These are the Top Ten Tasks that the OSM System Administrators What about the community ? This only is a todo list by the admins, for the admins coded by the admins. So far so good, but that's not a wishlist,

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Tom MacWright
I'd love to get back to the topic of what's next. At least my at-the-moment thought for why dev@ has been more efficient than the mailing list is something pretty simple: when people post on here with some bit of knowledge - like saying that something is already implemented, or that there are

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 18:13:34, Paweł Paprota a écrit : - people who do the actual programming work choose what they want to work on. I think this is a little different here (this thread) than usually is (even with what usually happen with OSM core development) Tom started this thread

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Tom MacWright
Hey Sly, The simple answer is that MapBox (including myself) is finding ways to improve OpenStreetMap. Some of these are pretty obvious (design!), and some of them require a very high level of knowledge (API changes). By posting here, I'm trying to get a good idea of what exists, what experts

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
the page says: These are the Top Ten Tasks that the OSM System Administrators would really like your development help on. so i think it's unfair to say it's a list by the admins, for the admins. I admit I was unfair. I shortcuted it too much. But still, that's a list by the admins. But I

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Alex Barth
Hey sly - I'm very interested in people weighing in on a wishlist thread like that because it's super useful for understanding the problem space around improving OSM in the areas editors, social experience, data export better. In the end of the day, just like you or anyone else Tom and I and

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Hi, That said, let's talk less about talking and your personal suspicions and more about actual substance; Is that substance : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.7 ? aka un-derail this thread. Got it, sorry. -- sly (sylvain letuffe) ___

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Alex Barth
On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:40 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe) li...@letuffe.org wrote: Hi, That said, let's talk less about talking and your personal suspicions and more about actual substance; Is that substance : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.7 I'd say it is! ? aka un-derail this

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-15 Thread Tom Hughes
On 16/10/12 00:40, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: That said, let's talk less about talking and your personal suspicions and more about actual substance; Is that substance : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.7 ? Well the problem with that page is that there are a huge number of things

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 12-Oct-12, at 3:50 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Also. ogr3osm. I would love to have the time and resources (or paid time, nudgenudgewinkwink) to redo ogr2osm; adding a backtracking-like algorithm to minimise the amount of geometries' shared nodes (and their bounding boxes) in

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-14 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Sunday, 14 de October de 2012 10:05:31 Paul Norman escribió: I'm giving a talk tomorrow on ogr2osm [...] For a 600 MB .mdb (400 MB .shp) [...] it uses about 6-7 gigs of ram for that. I may be able to get that down substantially, I haven't really attacked the RAM usage yet. Well, that's

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 14-Oct-12, at 5:31 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On Sunday, 14 de October de 2012 10:05:31 Paul Norman escribió: I'm giving a talk tomorrow on ogr2osm [...] For a 600 MB .mdb (400 MB .shp) [...] it uses about 6-7 gigs of ram for that. I may be able to get that down substantially, I

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-14 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Am 12.10.2012 01:58, schrieb Tom MacWright: What are the tasks which everyone agrees on, but nobody has had the time to tackle? there is still a lot of information missing to compete with commercial data for (car) navigation system (e.g. from Navteq and Tele-Atlas): * have house

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-13 Thread Roland Olbricht
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Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/12/2012 02:14 AM, Andy Allan wrote: As for all-new things, I'd like to explore how to integrate all the various QA feeds into a combined overview, rather than having to hunt around different sites. That would be a great thing to have, and one that has been eluding us for quite a

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 12.10.2012 01:58, Tom MacWright wrote: What do you want to see happen with OSM's software this year? What are the tasks which everyone agrees on, but nobody has had the time to tackle? There are some ideas around but I'm still missing a tool that can graphically show the diffs on an

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Derick Rethans
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Andy Allan wrote: On 12 October 2012 00:58, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: What do you want to see happen with OSM's software this year? What are the tasks which everyone agrees on, but nobody has had the time to tackle? snip As for all-new things, I'd like

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/12/2012 12:08 PM, Derick Rethans wrote: And there are so many of those - both global and local! In addition, I would like to see something new here too. It was up as a project for Google Summer of Code, but the project fell through. The idea was to create an engine that can flag

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Mike N
On 10/12/2012 3:27 AM, Stephan Knauss wrote: So I want a tool that makes it possible to do a quality control by checking diffs like it's possible in wikipedia for years. The problem is that our data is a lot harder to diff. +1 for a wishlist: visual changeset diff?

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Tom MacWright
Okay, so visual changeset tools, better history tools, and osmbugs. OSMBugs or something like it will definitely get some love - early on we've just been battling confusion about wtf OSMBugs is, with all of the versions. That's mostly cleared up now. Anything else? On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:25

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Paweł Paprota
Okay, so visual changeset tools, better history tools, and osmbugs.   OSMBugs or something like it will definitely get some love - early on we've just been battling confusion about wtf OSMBugs is, with all of the versions. That's mostly cleared up now.   Anything else? Have you read my

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Tom MacWright
@Pawel: totally, I think those are awesome. I was mostly prodding this thread since it was getting into the details of changeset/history improvements and don't want it to be laser-focused on the technical details of one thing :) On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Tom Hughes
On 12/10/12 00:58, Tom MacWright wrote: So, along with the big 'kicking off' blog post on MapBox[1], I posted three basic issues in the openstreetmap-website tracker - JSON support, filtering on the main api, and a tag api. The three of these were closed by Tom Hughes, which is fine - they

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Robert Scott
On Friday 12 October 2012, Tom MacWright wrote: Hey all (or, well, those subscribed to dev@ - my flamewar shields are at 50% so I'm not risking an email to talk), So, along with the big 'kicking off' blog post on MapBox[1], I posted three basic issues in the openstreetmap-website tracker -

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Building such a meta platform is not an easy task because bugs are much more than just popup markers on the map - bugs can also be a way, or a collection of ways, or a convex hull around a broken polygon; a good platform will also allow the user to flag those bugs which are false

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: That's not strictly accurate - the JSON API one did not get closed. That's true, but my two bugs did get closed. More on this below. Personally I'm not a fan of using bug trackers for things that aren't either actual bugs,

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Tom Hughes
On 12/10/12 15:14, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: That's not strictly accurate - the JSON API one did not get closed. That's true, but my two bugs did get closed. In case you haven't noticed they have been reopened now. More on

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Paul Norman
From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:21 AM To: dev@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist Hi, On 10/12/2012 12:08 PM, Derick Rethans wrote: And there are so many of those - both global and local! In addition, I would like

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Stephan Knauss
Serge Wroclawski writes: This is expensive. does this matter? Is there a requirement to have it running against the latest r/w api? I fetch my osm data for editing from the osm ro-mirror (overpass). This is a lot faster than waiting for main API. Works fine as well. Why not add another (or

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Oct 12, 2012 10:24 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 12/10/12 15:14, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: That's true, but my two bugs did get closed. In case you haven't noticed they have been reopened now. Hadn't noticed

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 12.10.2012 01:58, Tom MacWright wrote: What do you want to see happen with OSM's software this year? What are the tasks which everyone agrees on, but nobody has had the time to tackle? reading some of the answers it also seems that appropriate server hardware is an issue for many of the

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Viernes, 12 de octubre de 2012 01:58:23 Tom MacWright escribió: What do you want to see happen with OSM's software this year? What are the tasks which everyone agrees on, but nobody has had the time to tackle? OK, here's mine: A diff/patch tool for imported data. Let me explain. Assume

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Matt Amos
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es wrote: A diff/patch tool for imported data. opengeo presented at SOTM about their plans for geogit [1]. from what i understood one of their aims is interoperability between separately-maintained OGC model datasets and

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-12 Thread Alex Rollin
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[OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-11 Thread Tom MacWright
Hey all (or, well, those subscribed to dev@ - my flamewar shields are at 50% so I'm not risking an email to talk), So, along with the big 'kicking off' blog post on MapBox[1], I posted three basic issues in the openstreetmap-website tracker - JSON support, filtering on the main api, and a tag

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-11 Thread Andy Allan
On 12 October 2012 00:58, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: Hey all (or, well, those subscribed to dev@ - my flamewar shields are at 50% so I'm not risking an email to talk), Bear in mind that technical (generally software) stuff is often better on dev@ anyway - and there's lots of

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-11 Thread Tom MacWright
Hey, I haven't seen anything specifically rulling it out, but would I be right in saying that mapbox don't have plans to contribute to P2? No current plans, though that's more for lack of any experience in Flash Flex than anything set in stone or technical. Given that we currently don't plan

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-11 Thread Paweł Paprota
Hi Tom, So, along with the big 'kicking off' blog post on MapBox[1], I posted three basic issues in the openstreetmap-website tracker - JSON support, filtering on the main api, and a tag api. I think these are important, but there are far more important things. And also, these issues seem

Re: [OSM-dev] OSM Wishlist

2012-10-11 Thread Mike Dupont
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Does discussing new ideas on github bring advantages over mailing lists that I'm missing? It's not something that I'm used to. github is pretty good for discussions, it integrates into mails. -- James Michael DuPont