Re: [osmosis-dev] Exception in Osmosis 0.36

2010-08-03 Thread Nop
Hi! Am 02.08.2010 14:50, schrieb Brett Henderson: I'm pretty sure I've found and fixed the problem. Can you try the new build I've just created? http://bretth.dev.openstreetmap.org/osmosis-build/osmosis-0.37-SNAPSHOT.zip

Re: [OSM-dev] New OSM binary fileformat implementation.

2010-08-03 Thread Scott Crosby
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Scott, others, Scott Crosby wrote: I would like to announce code implementing a binary OSM format that supports the full semantics of the OSM XML. [...] The changes to osmosis are just some new tasks to handle

Re: [OSM-dev] [Routing] [MoNav] Fast exact ( mobile ) routing

2010-08-03 Thread VeaaC FDIRCT
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:28 PM, feverzsj fever...@hotmail.com wrote: hi VeaaC, Very impressive job, according to what it describes. I've investigated lots navi tool/lib based on osm. But, they are all osm specified, which means you can't import your own vector data. Will MoNav Preprocessor be

[OSM-dev] McNav vector rendering? (was: Fast exact ( mobile ) routing)

2010-08-03 Thread Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
VeaaC FDIRCT wrote: Nevertheless, the current rendering plugins rely either on Mapnik or the OpenStreetMap tile server. To visualize your own data format you would either have to write your own Mapnik stylesheet or wait until a vector rendering plugin is available. Do you have plans to

Re: [OSM-dev] McNav vector rendering? (was: Fast exact ( mobile ) routing)

2010-08-03 Thread VeaaC FDIRCT
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) ldeff...@homeside.to wrote: Do you have plans to write a vector rendering plugin to remove the dependency on local or remote tiles?  I'm working on an amateur radio application called APRSISCE that runs on Windows Mobile and Win32 and

Re: [OSM-dev] New OSM binary fileformat implementation.

2010-08-03 Thread Scott Crosby
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Brett Henderson br...@bretth.com wrote: I'll help incorporate this into the rest of Osmosis.  There's a few things to work through though. I don't have a lot of time to work with this, but I can split up my working branch (which includes several unrelated

Re: [OSM-dev] [Routing] [MoNav] Fast exact ( mobile ) routing

2010-08-03 Thread VeaaC FDIRCT
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Tom Müller tmerl...@web.de wrote:  Hi, interesting project! But how do I get the preprocessor? When I try to start the moNavC.exe it crahes with No data-directory found: plugins.ini missing. So what else do I need? Thanks! Tom For now you will have to

Re: [OSM-dev] New full history dump available

2010-08-03 Thread Peter Körner
Am 02.08.2010 21:40, schrieb Stefan de Konink: Could someone also put this out as a torrent? I'm not sure if it would help anybody. As only a little number of users will download it, it will get well distributed in the torrent network. With a small number of seeds a torrent download will

Re: [OSM-dev] New full history dump available

2010-08-03 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Am 02.08.2010 21:40, schrieb Stefan de Konink: Could someone also put this out as a torrent? I'm not sure if it would help anybody. As only a little number of users will download it, it will get well distributed in

Re: [OSM-dev] New full history dump available

2010-08-03 Thread Peter Körner
Am 03.08.2010 20:13, schrieb Anthony: Is there still no support in torrent for http seeding? I think there is in some clients, but eg. not in my Synology DiskStation. Also: as long as an http seed is available, why should users take the torrent way when they can't take advantage of a big

Re: [OSM-dev] New full history dump available

2010-08-03 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Am 03.08.2010 20:13, schrieb Anthony: Is there still no support in torrent for http seeding? I think there is in some clients, but eg. not in my Synology DiskStation. Also: as long as an http seed is available, why

[OSM-dev] How to clean up Negative IDs

2010-08-03 Thread Eric Wolf
This is in reference to the USGS OSMCP project - not the real OSM... When we imported our chunk of data initially (not me - the guy responsible is on walkabout in the Rockies), we followed the convention of using negative IDs in the .OSM file. But osmosis was used to load the data into the

Re: [OSM-dev] How to clean up Negative IDs

2010-08-03 Thread SteveC
On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Eric Wolf wrote: This is in reference to the USGS OSMCP project - not the real OSM... When we imported our chunk of data initially (not me - the guy responsible is on walkabout in the Rockies), we followed the convention of using negative IDs in the .OSM

Re: [OSM-dev] How to clean up Negative IDs

2010-08-03 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Eric Wolf ebw...@gmail.com wrote: I assume there is something in the API that says negative IDs == BAD. I've been trying to test that theory but keep hitting stumbling blocks. Postgres doesn't seem to want to let me defer integrity constraints, so my efforts to

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: I suggest we try to JOSM add some comments by itself: Merkaartor did that, or perhaps does it still. These auto-generated comments are next to worthless. They cannot replace one human being telling another human being in a few words

Re: [OSM-dev] How to clean up Negative IDs

2010-08-03 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 3 August 2010 20:28, Eric Wolf ebw...@gmail.com wrote: This is in reference to the USGS OSMCP project - not the real OSM... When we imported our chunk of data initially (not me - the guy responsible is on walkabout in the Rockies), we followed the convention of using negative IDs in the

Re: [OSM-dev] New full history dump available

2010-08-03 Thread Peter Körner
So here you are: http://toolserver.org/~mazder/temp/full-planet-100801.osm.bz2.torrent I'm seeding for the next months via my 640 kBit/s uplink. I added the webseed to the torrent. It would be better if those torrents would be created automatically and published in an rss feed. Peter Am

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Matthias Julius
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org writes: Hi, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: I suggest we try to JOSM add some comments by itself: Merkaartor did that, or perhaps does it still. These auto-generated comments are next to worthless. They cannot replace one human being

Re: [OSM-dev] How to clean up Negative IDs

2010-08-03 Thread Eric Wolf
Just how slow is bulk_upload.py? I am loading a 177MB .osm file into an empty database on a quad 3.6Ghz Xeon with 6GB RAM and 700GB of RAID5. The machine is basically idle except for this load. It's already taken almost an hour. -Eric -=--=---===---=--=-=--=---==---=--=-=- Eric B.

Re: [OSM-dev] How to clean up Negative IDs

2010-08-03 Thread Ian Dees
I imagine the bottleneck is the Railsport doing precondition checks for everything as it's going in. I don't think I could give an educated guess for time remaining, but on the api.osm.org server it usually takes 4+ hours to send in a 50k-change diff file (around 25MB?). Based on that I'd say you

Re: [OSM-dev] How to clean up Negative IDs

2010-08-03 Thread Eric Wolf
Just killed the bulk_upload.py job, dropped database and recreated it. Used sed to fix the negative numbers. osmosis took 427263 milliseconds. Yes. I did update the ID sequences in postgres. Things are much happier without all that negativism. It's still very slow in Potlatch. At least part of

[OSM-dev] Period In Key Names: Will It Cause A Problem?

2010-08-03 Thread Kevin Atkinson
Will a period in the key name for a tag cause a problem? It is proposed in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag_structures I would like to use it for some custom tags I am using, namely name.prefix, and name.full (see below for context). The idea is that .prefix and

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: But I think it is the obligation of the editor to make it perfectly clear to the user that their edits *will* be viewed as less cooperative by a large majority of the community if they don't carry a proper changeset

Re: [OSM-dev] Period In Key Names: Will It Cause A Problem?

2010-08-03 Thread Lars Francke
Will a period in the key name for a tag cause a problem? Generally: No. You were asking about database problems: No problems at all in regards to PostgreSQL. MongoDB is the only database I know that has problems with dots in keys but you'd have to escape everything anyway, so no problem there

Re: [OSM-dev] Period In Key Names: Will It Cause A Problem?

2010-08-03 Thread Kevin Atkinson
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Lars Francke wrote: Will a period in the key name for a tag cause a problem? Generally: No. You were asking about database problems: No problems at all in regards to PostgreSQL. MongoDB is the only database I know that has problems with dots in keys but you'd have to

Re: [OSM-dev] New full history dump available

2010-08-03 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Lars Francke lars.fran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Matt Amos was so nice to run the history export again. The result is available here: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/full-experimental/full-planet-100801.osm.bz2 and it's grown from 13 GB in February to 17

Re: [OSM-dev] Period In Key Names: Will It Cause A Problem?

2010-08-03 Thread Lars Francke
I'd use name:full, name:prefix etc. for it. As far as I can tell it's pretty much established practice and you'd make _at least_ my life easier :) How? I've just rewritten parts of OSMdoc.com to support : in keys[1] because they were the only delimiter in widespread use. So I naturally hope

Re: [OSM-dev] New full history dump available

2010-08-03 Thread Grant Slater
Well spotted. Different releases of pbzip2 were used. We'll fix this in future releases. But unlikely to be more frequent then once every 2 months. / Grant On 8/4/10, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Lars Francke lars.fran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Matt

Re: [OSM-dev] How to clean up Negative IDs

2010-08-03 Thread Brett Henderson
On that note, I think there's a lot of scope for improving import speed in Osmosis. Currently it does it all with multi-line SQL inserts. PostgreSQL JDBC drivers now have COPY support and I have tried it out in the --fast-write-pgsql task. It works well and is much faster. There's a bit of

Re: [OSM-dev] Period In Key Names: Will It Cause A Problem?

2010-08-03 Thread Kevin Atkinson
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Lars Francke wrote: I'd use name:full, name:prefix etc. for it. As far as I can tell it's pretty much established practice and you'd make _at least_ my life easier :) How? I've just rewritten parts of OSMdoc.com to support : in keys[1] because they were the only

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ulf Lamping wrote: Sorry, you overemphasize the importance of changeset comments. I think you underestimate the importance of changeset comments. Please keep in mind, that a changeset comment is *optional*, and there is no misbehaviour if not added. If a user don't want to add

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Sebastian Klein wrote: Personally I only check a don't show this message again-box if I'm 100% sure I understood the message and I really, really don't want it to show up again We have had users on talk-de who had accidentally clicked a don't show this message again box and were

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Julien Balas wrote: I prefere some new data and no comment rather than... nothing. See, that's the difference between the data is more important and the community is more important view. I think that the people count more than the data they contribute, and if their attitude towards the

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
I suggest we try to JOSM add some comments by itself: Region - Closest town - Major changes ( name of highway changed, added forests, mainly buildings, POI) based on simple statistics, then add a semicolon for the user to add a reason or other comment. Based on the type of edits a type of

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Sebastian Klein
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: I suggest we try to JOSM add some comments by itself: Merkaartor did that, or perhaps does it still. These auto-generated comments are next to worthless. They cannot replace one human being telling another human

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 03.08.2010 18:12, schrieb Anthony: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com  wrote: I don't think that the change to 10 chars is a good idea. E.g. if I only add a tag to a node,

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Ulf, Is it really your strategy to offend anyone not sharing your point of view and build a community on top of that? Please count the number of people who have participated in the discussion on talk, and see how many of them thought that changeset comments are important. If I had the

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: I asked you for your username, because I wanted to see what you consider to be a good changeset comment. It never struck me that you might not actually consider your own changeset comments to be good. I have given a number of examples that I consider good in the discussion

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Anthony wrote: I asked you for your username, because I wanted to see what you consider to be a good changeset comment.  It never struck me that you might not actually consider your own changeset comments to be

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 04.08.2010 01:19, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Ulf, P.S: Yes, this isn't a theoretical situation. While riding my motorbike, I frequently have a lot of such tiny changes spread over a huge area. Perhaps we can try to be a bit more reasonable about this. That's what I'm trying to do. I have

Re: [josm-dev] Change to changeset comment handling, RfD

2010-08-03 Thread Marko Mäkelä
On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 08:08:56PM -0400, Anthony wrote: The quality of my own changeset comments is absolutely irrelevant in this discussion; let's assume, if it gives you pleasure, that they are all just That might discredit the messenger, but not change anything about the message. I