[osmosis-dev] NKV vs WKV
Hi Thanks to Frederik for his reply to my previous Q. My next one: I have this Stations_Platforms_Old.osm file. It contains nodes of railway=station entities & way/rels of railway=platform entities. As I would expect, this command returns only the stations: osmosis.bat --read-xml-change Stations_Platforms.gz --rx Stations_Platforms_Old.osm --ac --nkv keyValueList=railway.station --wx Stations_Platforms_New.osm However this command returns both the platforms and the stations: osmosis.bat --read-xml-change Stations_Platforms.gz --rx Stations_Platforms_Old.osm --ac --wkv keyValueList=railway.platform --wx Stations_Platforms_New2.osm Why doesn't it remove the platforms? How do I return only the platforms? Cheers DaveF ___ osmosis-dev mailing list osmosis-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmosis-dev
[osmosis-dev] Latest osc change file returns empty xml.
Hi Is the following expected behaviour, if so I'm misunderstanding something: I followed the instructions here to obtain the latest diff file for Great Britain from Geofabrik: obtain the latest diff file: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm/diffs#Using_Osmosis I'm using osmosis --rri workingDirectory=. --wxc GB.osc.gz I amended configuration.txt to point to the GB folder: baseUrl=http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/great-britain-updates Running the command it completed it's task, but the osc file contained an empty xml file: If I amended the state.txt file from http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/great-britain-updates/000/002/ to a previous date it obtains the diff data as expected. It's only with the latest version that the problem occurs. What am I not comprehending? On other Q: As the update interval for Geofabrik is 24 hours, should I amend this value in the configuration.txt file to suit: maxInterval = 3600 Cheers DaveF ___ osmosis-dev mailing list osmosis-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmosis-dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Export: (limit is 50000).
On 06/08/2019 16:32, marc marc wrote: josm allow to download data from overpass, which allows a larger limit. Overpass's greater capacity is one reason why I was querying OSM.org's limitations. Using OP to send data to JOSM for mass editing is one of the occasions I do use it to edit. However it's usually to filter the data first. DaveF ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Export: (limit is 50000).
On 06/08/2019 15:06, Tom Hughes wrote: On 06/08/2019 14:45, Dave F via dev wrote: Why are you mentioning 'rendering'? Because I thought we were talking about map exports? I am. "Main Page > Export" makes *no* mention of rendering. I assume you meant the raw data export? That is the standard API limit & I'm enquiring if that limit can be updated. - all that export does is redirect to the same API that JOSM etc use. Yes, I've noticed the limitations of JOSM. It's one of the reasons I don't use it as my general editor. That really isn't something that I would expect anybody much to use - if you want bulk data then sue the planet. The API is for editors. I don't think anyone would expect to "bulk" download, but surely a town or even a suburb should be acceptable? Again we should really never have added that to the share tab Again, the 'share tab' is something I never mentioned Why are you reluctant to read what's in front of you? as it just encourages people to think that is the correct way to reuse OSM data. It's up to them how the reuse the data. DaveF ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Export: (limit is 50000).
Hi Main Page > Export*. I'm often getting the following message: "You requested too many nodes (limit is 5). Either request a smaller area, or use planet.osm" To get within this limit the downloadable area has been greatly reduced as more data is added to OSM, especially in urban areas. Is this based on server & connection speeds etc? If so has it been reviewed recently? With the increase in general computing power is there a reason this limit could not be increased? * I'm aware of alternatives for retrieving OSM data, but I'm inquiring specifically about this, on the main page where the vast majority have their initial interaction with OSM. Error messages just deter potential contributors. Cheers DaveF ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Auto adding attribution to image creation.
On 06/08/2019 13:47, Tom Hughes wrote: On 06/08/2019 13:29, Dave F via dev wrote: On 06/08/2019 12:26, Tom Hughes wrote: On 06/08/2019 12:04, Dave F via dev wrote: A user has asked why the image creation tool under 'Share' couldn't automatically add an attribution. It would certainly save me a lot of email sending asking users to add it. If you mean the option I'm surprised your confused. I thought I was perfectly clear. The "share" tool offers a number of options and I just wanted to be clear which one we were talking about. I mentioned 'image' & I'm posting to the Development forum not Newbie. that gives you an image based on the default rendering then the answer is that all that option does is to to a custom render using mapnik, and that render has no way to add an attribution. Would it be much coding effort? Yes. I mean you can certainly do it, but it means writing a whole bunch of code to work out what font size to use then render some text and overlay it on the mapnik generated image. There must be calculations performed to create the clipped image especially considering the Scale: option provided. Inserting an image of the attribution into the corner of the map image at a defined percentage of its size can't add that much additional overheads, There are plenty of 'image stamper' programs on the market which do similar. The script is here: https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/blob/master/cookbooks/tile/templates/default/export.erb Patches are welcome. Make sure they work for all the output formats ;-) Yeah, that's not really the answer, is it? My OSM time is spent creating data for the OSM database. I then spend additional time updating & maintaining that data. It a shame the creators of the main website are reluctant to do the same for their contributions. It's looking a bit tired & 'Win95ish'. Cheers DaveF ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Auto adding attribution to image creation.
Hi A user has asked why the image creation tool under 'Share' couldn't automatically add an attribution. It would certainly save me a lot of email sending asking users to add it. Would it be much coding effort? Cheers DaveF ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.18.0
Hi What does 'later' mean: On 21/12/2018 15:36, Daniel Koć wrote: Moving railway=tram_stop and station=subway later DaveF ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] iD news - 2.12.0 released
On 10/12/2018 12:48, Andrew Harvey wrote: If you search for a preset with a brand, eg. McDonalds and select that it will populate: amenity=fast_food cuisine=burger name=McDonald's brand=McDonalds brand:wikidata=Q38076 brand:wikipedia=en:McDonald's Then the name field is locked from editing in your session so you can't change it, unless you go down to the advanced "All tags" section where you can edit any of these locked free form tags. Tail wagging the dog. DaveF ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] OpenStreetBrowser: Improved public transport map and other route relations
Hi Could the bus data be split from the railways/ cheers aveF On 08/08/2018 21:13, Stephan Bösch-Plepelits wrote: Before starting my project OpenStreetBrowser (which was a long time ago in autumn of 2008) I just wanted to create a public transport map (short: PT map). Creating a PT map is really difficult and creating a usable map is even more difficult. There are several reasons for this, including that OpenStreetMap itself adds a lot of complexity. But it is possible. Back then, my efforts resulted in OpenStreetBrowser 1, but the PT map code didn't last long. History repeated itself 8 years later, as in autumn 2016 - at a time after OpenStreetBrowser has been shut down - I made another attempt to create a PT map (you can still see the result on ptmap.plepe.at). From this code, OpenStreetBrowser 3 (the current version) was born - though with very rudimentary support for route relations: All visible relations would be loaded with their full geometries and displayed on top of each other - regardless of their priority. Now, only the visible parts of relations will be loaded once (even when they are part of several relations) and shown with their relation memberships. So, finally I can present another iteration of public transport maps, this time included in OpenStreetBrowser: Many things already work: - Ways are colored by type of the route relations - Popups of stops and ways show list of routes - Separate lists for visible stops and visible routes - Route popups and details show list of stops Still, there are some missing features: - Stops with the same name should be grouped and labeled. - Directions of routes are not shown. - Hide routes which are currently out of service (derived from the opening_hours tag). - Take scale of route into account. - In route view, stops are not named when the name has to be read from a stop_area relation. - Performance optimizations. -> https://openstreetbrowser.org/#categories=pt Other route relations - As a by-product, also other route relations (cycle routes, hiking, ...) are now much better supported. The following categories have been improved / newly created: - Leisure, Sport and Shopping -> Outdoor activities -> Mountain bike routes -> https://openstreetbrowser.org/#categories=mtb-routes - Transportation -> Walking -> Hiking routes -> https://openstreetbrowser.org/#categories=hiking_routes - Transportation -> Cycling -> Cycle routes -> https://openstreetbrowser.org/#categories=cycle_routes - Transportation -> Individual Traffic -> Road routes -> https://openstreetbrowser.org/#categories=car_routes - Infrastructure -> Railway -> Railway routes -> https://openstreetbrowser.org/#categories=railway-routes Please post ideas and bug reports to the Github issue page! -> https://github.com/plepe/openstreetbrowser/issues Find pictures on the blog: -> https://blog.openstreetbrowser.org/node/52 greetings, Stephan ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] smoothness data in gpx files for GPS tracks on osm.org?
I gave up tagging a way's smoothness a long time ago as it's so subjective & open to misinterpretation. Agreeing on what the make-up of the actual surface is difficult enough. See also anything referred to as 'difficult' or 'dangerous': All of the scales listed here would be described by me as "You've got to be kidding me, I'm getting off & pushing.": https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:mtb:scale DaveF On 28/01/2018 07:59, Johannes wrote: Hello, I wanted to get some opinions about an idea of mine. I consider data on the smoothness/roughness of routes to be quite important for cycle routing in order to plan optimal routes. Up to now, this has not played a major role in bicycle routes, as far as I know. Therefore, I would like to make a small improvement of the surface data for paths in Openstreetmap. You can see on mapillary photos what kind of road surface there is on a cycle path, but you can't deduce reliable data about the smoothness of it. A first technical idea was to record a track as a GPX file enriched with a vibration coefficient (IRI, International Roughness Index, dont know the exactly format yet) recorded by a smartphone while riding a bike. The GPX file format seems to be flexible enough (extension?) to store additional data such as this coefficient. Therefore a central data repository is needed. Do you think it's a good idea to store such enriched GPX data in the public GPS tracks repository on openstreetmap.org and make appropriate changes to the database schema and API so that these additional metadata are preserved when exporting GPX, so that on the one hand the GPS tracks can be made available to the public and on the other hand special client software can visualize the vibration metadata. What do you think? Greetings Johannes ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] XAPI
On 07/08/2017 17:08, Simon Poole wrote: There are multiple reasons why this is not going to work, One of them is it's amenity=school not schools DaveF ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Removing functionality and giving just No as answer
On 24/02/2017 11:19, Tom Hughes wrote: Well it was a little odd that we suddenly got several people who are not regular commenters turning up in the space of a few minute to add "me too" style responses. What's wrong with that? There are numerous discussions in Dev that I have no interest in, but on occasion there's something relevant to my OSM usage & I will make a comment. This current topic appears to be relevant to a few other users. OSM Github is not a private club. You should be welcoming other contributors, not 'closing' on them. DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Removing functionality and giving just No as answer
On 24/02/2017 10:26, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: It was closed and rejected in a very abrupt and unconstructive manner. Yes. This seems to be Tom Hughes's default reaction. He's certainly trigger happy with the close button. DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] Make Nominatim more dev friendly
Wouldn't it be better to make it more user friendly?[1] I'd have thought popular projects where there's a clear benefit & a sustainable future would attract more developers. [1] Does the viewbox option work? With it ticked, it still found a street miles away from the city in the window. (Yes, the city does have the street) DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Install WikiBlame into OSM Wiki?
Hi I asked a question over at OSMHelp regarding searching the history of OSM Wiki : https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/54265/how-do-i-history-search-an-osm-wiki-page WikiBlame works as a standalone, but would obviously be much more convenient if 'built in'. Would it be a hassle to implement it? I'm guessing a couple of lines of code. DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Tag-info: Tag descriptons
Yes, I know. Which is why I clearly stated it. On 13/09/2016 20:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 13 set 2016, alle ore 18:38, Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com <mailto:davefoxfa...@btinternet.com>> ha scritto: place <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>=farm <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm> - a place named by a name of a farm This appears to contradict the other (incorrect) description. I'll discuss further on Talk forum +1, actually tagging would seem most suitable cheers, Martin ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Tag-info: Tag descriptons
Thanks for that
Type 'farm' into the wiki & it take you to
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Farm
place <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>=farm
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm> - a place named by
a name of a farm
This appears to contradict the other (incorrect) description.
I'll discuss further on Talk forum.
Dave F.
On 13/09/2016 17:26, Imre Samu wrote:
Hi Dave,
> From where does tag-info derive the descriptions for each tag?
from the osm wiki
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taginfo/Sources#Wiki
>place=farm is "Individually named farm (but not isolated)." which I
believe is incorrect.
see "Description" on the wiki page :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dfarm>
wiki source:
{{ValueDescription
|key=place
|value=farm
|description=*Individually named farm (but not isolated).*
|onNode=yes
|onWay=no
|onArea=yes
|status=In use
Best,
Imre
2016-09-13 18:07 GMT+02:00 Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com
<mailto:davefoxfa...@btinternet.com>>:
Hi
From where does tag-info derive the descriptions for each tag?
place=farm is "Individually named farm (but not isolated)." which
I believe is incorrect. It should be used (very rarely, I assume)
where a group of dwellings (hamlet) have taken the name of a
nearby farm. To tag the area surrounding farm buildings,
landuse=farmyard should be used.
This, along with mapnik carto rendering them, has led to an
increase in the misuse of this tag combination.
Fill out this tool for evidence:
http://taghistory.raifer.tech/
Could it be amended please.
Cheers
Dave F.
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[OSM-dev] Tag-info: Tag descriptons
Hi From where does tag-info derive the descriptions for each tag? place=farm is "Individually named farm (but not isolated)." which I believe is incorrect. It should be used (very rarely, I assume) where a group of dwellings (hamlet) have taken the name of a nearby farm. To tag the area surrounding farm buildings, landuse=farmyard should be used. This, along with mapnik carto rendering them, has led to an increase in the misuse of this tag combination. Fill out this tool for evidence: http://taghistory.raifer.tech/ Could it be amended please. Cheers Dave F. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Merkaartor creates invalid highway tags like highway=unclassified; track
I worked out how to replicate the problem in P2 by merging. It doesn't render such ways in the editor & a error warning pops up. So any such tagging is clearly user error & not editor error. On 14/03/2016 12:59, Dave F wrote: On 14/03/2016 08:58, Gerd Petermann wrote: the only changesets with these errors are created by Merkaartor and Potlatch 2. How are these "invalid tags" created in P2? I'm unable to replicate. Dave F. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Merkaartor creates invalid highway tags like highway=unclassified; track
On 14/03/2016 08:58, Gerd Petermann wrote: the only changesets with these errors are created by Merkaartor and Potlatch 2. How are these "invalid tags" created in P2? I'm unable to replicate. Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Any JOSM developers/expert able to have a look at this login problem?
Hi I've a JOSM login problem. I've posted the details here: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/48014/josm-enter-credentials-for-osm-api-failure If you've a few minutes to see if you can find the problem I'd appreciate it. Thanks Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Overpass QL area to node
Try amending out body; >; out skel qt; to just: out center; Dave F. On 09/02/2016 14:30, Mikoláš Štrajt wrote: It's possible to convert returned areas to nodes via Overpass QL? For example if I want to display POI list of churches (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/eiS) but I am interested only in their location not shape on map. Regards Severák ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Which is best for this task, osmosis, osmconvert osmupdate or...
Hi I'm a bit unsure which program is best to perform the actions I list below. I've previously download a file of all OSM data within a rectangular area. I then use mkgmap to convert it to the format by my Garmin GPSr. In the future I'd like to change that so it's a multi faceted polygon of only specified OSM entities. At present, each time I want to update the file, I'm downloading every entity, even if they haven't been amended. What I need is to download any changes within the polygon since I last updated. I read about minute, hourly & daily diffs. Am I able to state the date I last updated as the start point for new data? There appear to be a few programs able to do what I require, but unsure which is best suited. Is Osmosis a bit overblown for my purpose. Osmupdate seems a bit more lightweight. Osmconvert appears to discourage doing what I need: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmupdate#Use_Cases. Overpass also has a way to download diffs. Anyone used that? Is it better to work with a raw OSM data file or use a .pbf file? In fact I'm a bit confused what one is. From the wiki it firstly says "alternative to the XML format", but then goes on to compare it with a compressed file format. Which is it? Your help is appreciated. Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Which is best for this task, osmosis, osmconvert osmupdate or...
Thanks for the reply. On 29/12/2015 21:09, Paul Norman wrote: On 12/29/2015 9:41 AM, Dave F. wrote: I've previously download a file of all OSM data within a rectangular area. I then use mkgmap to convert it to the format by my Garmin GPSr. In the future I'd like to change that so it's a multi faceted polygon of only specified OSM entities. At present, each time I want to update the file, I'm downloading every entity, even if they haven't been amended. What I need is to download any changes within the polygon since I last updated. I read about minute, hourly & daily diffs. Am I able to state the date I last updated as the start point for new data? There appear to be a few programs able to do what I require, but unsure which is best suited. Is Osmosis a bit overblown for my purpose. Osmupdate seems a bit more lightweight. Osmconvert appears to discourage doing what I need: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmupdate#Use_Cases. Overpass also has a way to download diffs. Anyone used that? Your best bet is to get an extract from Geofabrik which contains the areas you need and use their daily diffs to keep it up to date. If you need a smaller area, extract it from this larger file every day. A couple of problems with that, I'm afraid. Firstly they don't provide my area & secondly I'm trying to avoid large downloads like the 670mb England file & amendment files for data I'm never going to need. Is there not a way to work just within a user specified polygon? Is it better to work with a raw OSM data file or use a .pbf file? In fact I'm a bit confused what one is. From the wiki it firstly says "alternative to the XML format", but then goes on to compare it with a compressed file format. Which is it? OSM PBFs are raw OSM data, as is OSM XML and o5m. They're just different file formats. Avoid OSM XML unless you're using software which only supports that. Use PBF or o5m instead. PBF is easier to use with the workflow I describe above since you can download a PBF directly from Geofabrik. So it's the original OSM(XML) fie format that's been compressed into a PBF container, similar in concept to zip files? Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Why is ford=yes not rendered in the default style?
On 27/11/2015 02:50, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 27.11.2015 1:47, Dave F. napisał(a): However I still think there's something wrong with a system that takes years to render an almost universal accepted replacement tag for a deprecated one that was previously rendered. In my opinion there's hardly a "system" in OSM, because even core subprojects are rather disconnected (for example no common presets for JOSM and iD). Maybe the rendering 'procedure' would be a better description. It would be impossible to render every tag (even if we just talk about those with Wiki page), but unfortunately we were not able to agree even on the most general rules: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1630 We're not talking about 'every' tag. It's about one entity that is *already* rendered. To benefit the OSM database It was agreed to change to a new tag. For the past couple of years Mapnik carto has failed to change over. Am I right in thinking the style file has been updated only once in over two years & that was just to delete comments? There's even a rough plan for so called "database reload": Ah, It's a plan not a system :-) https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1504 What is the 'database' that's referred to? Presumably not the main OSM one. however it seems it's not being worked on and Paul is not happy with such things, because he feels it will basically enable rendering more items (contrary to his view on the style): https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1975#issuecomment-157134906 Whatever his opinions are, the process used by OSM carto shouldn't prevent an previously agreed/supported tag from being quickly added & rendered. Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Why is ford=yes not rendered in the default style?
Hi @Holger: Could you explain why it's "technically not possible"? It seems strange just this one node can't be rendered. This icon was proposed & received general approval: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/118#issuecomment-67555409 I'm unsure why it's not gained favour with those who upgrade the carto. It's the most relevant idea I've seen so far. Waves for the water & lines to represent the way. There's no need to show cars as many (most?) fords are for non vehicular ways. The current icon (on highway=ford only) shows a double headed arrow. Icons should be relevant to what they're trying to indicate I don't see the connection between arrows & fords. Nothing needs sizing or measuring & for obvious reasons, it can't be to indicate the flow direction. Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release
Hi Does the combined wood/forest update include landcover=trees? If not it needs to be included all three should render the same (IMO). Cheers Dave F. On 15/08/2015 03:27, Paul Norman wrote: This email is also in user diary form at osm.org/user/pnorman/diary/35589 where issue numbers are linked. OpenStreetMap Carto 2.33.0 has been released. This release focuses on cartographic style improvements, but the release notes also include 2.32.0. The biggest changes are - A randomized symbology for forests for natural=wood and landuse=forest #1728 #1242 A long time in the works, this improvement has finally landed. The two tags were merged - they are indistinguishable to the data consumer.[1] A randomized symbology was first suggested by SK53[2] at SOTM-EU 2014, and this feature would not have happened without his extensive research, or imagico's tools for creating an irregular but uniformly distributed and periodic dot pattern[3] - Rendering minor roads and service rail later for mid-zoom clarity #1682 #1692 #1676 #1647 As all residential, unclassified, and service roads in a city became mapped the rendered view became over-crowded, bloblike, and difficult to read. - Unification of footway/path and rendering surface of them The mess that is highway=path is well-known[4], and it is necessary to do some kind of processing as a data consumer. A distinction is now made between paved and unpaved footways. - Rendering of Antartic ice sheets from shapefiles #1540 Ice sheets in Antartica are a bit of a special case, and pre-generated shapefiles are now used - Mapnik 3 preperations #1579 The style is not yet fullly tested with Mapnik 3 and we don't claim to support it, but several bugs were fixed. Most of the work was done on the Mapnik side - No longer rendering proposed roads #1663 #1654 - Power area colour adjusted #1680 - Better place label order #1689 - meadow/grassland and orchard/vineyard color unification #1655 - Render educational area borders later #1662 - New POI icons A full list of changes can be found on Github at https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v2.31.0...v2.33.0) [1]: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/647#issuecomment-52816195 [2]: http://sk53-osm.blogspot.ca/2014/09/woodland-cartography.html [3]: http://www.imagico.de/map/jsdotpattern.php [4]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/20333 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release
I'm on the fence about this. Does the 'general purpose' mapnik rendering need such distinctions? Would the vast majority of end users really care. Could it even make it more confusing for them? Cheers Dave F. On 15/08/2015 12:45, tony wroblewski wrote: The woodland change looks much better, but would it not be possible to render broadleaved, needleleaved and mixed using different tree images, as seen on other maps? This would, I think, give people more incentive to add this information when mapping woodland. Regards Tony --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[osmosis-dev] Error: Could not find or load main class org.codehaus.classworlds.Launcher
Hi New to osmosis. Loaded the most recent stable version. Upgraded Java runtime to latest build of version 8 I followed the instructions here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis/keep_a_local_copy_of_a_.osm_file_updated_using_minutely_updates So ran: osmosis --rrii This is the error it returned: Could not find or load main class org.codehaus.classworlds.Launcher I'm not sue how to locate it. Any idea for a solution? Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ osmosis-dev mailing list osmosis-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmosis-dev
Re: [osmosis-dev] Error: Could not find or load main class org.codehaus.classworlds.Launcher
Thanks for your reply Evgeniy That problem was me misinterpreting what 'version' tag was being referred to. I was using a stripped down dataset without any meta data, but of course osmosis needs some of that info to work out if it's been updated! However it's still producing an error: 'An output error has occurred' but that maybe related to task 1. Dave F. On 16/07/2015 18:17, Evgeniy Karyakin wrote: How did you get/generate Bath.osm? This error says that the node 104771 doesn't have version attribute, and there should be one, search for this node in Bath.osm and look at this node tag. I got those errors on osm files which were stripped (by myself) from some attributes which I thought were irrelevant to my aims. Check the site where you get Bath.osm and see if it strips these attributes (it shouldn't if you need further processing of this osm file). Note that I'm too a complete newbie to Osmosis, just sharing my tiny experience. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Background info: The command line option: C:\dwgs\Programs\GPS All\Osmosis\bin\osmosis --rri --simc --rx Bath.osm --ac --bp clipIncompleteEntities=yes file=coords.txt --wx new.osmcopy new.osm Bath.osm /ydel new.osm The returned output: (Note for task 3 the OSM file is version 0.6 it has this as its second line: osm version=0.6 generator=Overpass API SEVERE: Thread for task 1-rri failed org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.OsmosisRuntimeException: An output error has occurred, aborting. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ osmosis-dev mailing list osmosis-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/osmosis-dev
[OSM-dev] Flagging of Changeset discussions
Hi Are replies to changeset discussions meant to be flagged in a users 'My Messages'? ATM it appears to not do that. Is there a reason it's not implemented? Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [meta] Problem with reply to messages from mailing list on Gmail
On 11/12/2014 17:47, Tom Hughes wrote: The tagging list is probably configured to set Reply-To and this one isn't (it's a per list option). Well, I learnt something new today. Thanks. I always assumed it was settings bug in Thunderbird. Shame all clients don't have the Reply: Sender/All/List option. Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Embed an iframe using Zoom level + Lat/Lon?
Hi The Share embed HTML option on the front page of OSM defaults to bbox to select the area to display. I find this incredibly fiddly to get the exact view I require. There appears little correlation between what the map displays the html bbox coordinates. Is there a way to use Lat/Lon/Zoom Level option as used by the 'View Larger Map option? I tried copy/paste but it didn't work. Something like: http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?#map=13/51.3678/-2.3548 Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Overpass ql problem using around/radius
On 18/11/2014 18:06, Roland Olbricht wrote: Hi, thank you for the feedback. This is a perfectly valid enhancement of the software. Could you please open an issue at https://github.com/drolbr/Overpass-API Will do. As a related follow on question I notice the command line XAPI can use '*' to represent 'all': http://www.overpass-api.de/api/xapi?*[bbox=-2.7,51.234,-2.09,51.625] Is there similar within Turbo/interpreter? Cheers Dave F. With a bounding box, this works: [bbox:51.2911,-2.4750,51.4435,-2.2219]; ( node [leisure=park]; way [leisure=park]; relation [leisure=park]; ); out body; ; out skel qt; But if If substitute the first line for around: [around:15000,51.38138, -2.35968]; it throws an error: *Error*: line 1: parse error: ']' expected - ',' found. Is this expected behaviour? Yes. There is no global around feature so far. This is for a couple of reasons. The most important is that around is currently painfully slow, in particular a lot slower than bbox. I would like to improve the performance first to make this hypothetical feature run within an acceptable time for the user. Best regards, Roland ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Overpass ql problem using around/radius
Hi With a bounding box, this works: [bbox:51.2911,-2.4750,51.4435,-2.2219]; ( node [leisure=park]; way [leisure=park]; relation [leisure=park]; ); out body; ; out skel qt; But if If substitute the first line for around: [around:15000,51.38138, -2.35968]; it throws an error: *Error*: line 1: parse error: ']' expected - ',' found. Is this expected behaviour? If I want to use radius/around do I have to include the line for all object types?: node [leisure=park] (around:15000,51.38138, -2.35968); Cheers Dave F. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [Potlatch-dev] [OpenStreetMap] #4652: Automatic building=yes for some node-way conversions in Potlatch
On 28/10/2012 01:45, OpenStreetMap wrote: It would be really nice if when I convert a node to a way, at least if it's a shop or amenity or anything like that, for Potlatch to automatically set building=yes. But it's not always (majority?) a just a building. Pubs, churches, even shops cover larger land space than just the building footprint ie parking, beer garden, cemetery etc. When I change a node to an area, it's, more often than not, to cover the whole of that establishments land. ___ Potlatch-dev mailing list Potlatch-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/potlatch-dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept
Sam Vekemans wrote: Many have abandoned this talk@ list because IRC is more efficient. Only if you want to talk to people either in your own time zone or are night workers. Talk@ communicates ideas with all people all over the globe. Cheers Dave F. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it? look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from most people is useless. a comment footways are missing in this park doesn't help much if there is no experienced mapper willing to survey. And someone able to write a detailed and useful description will be able to Potlatch* in the same time +1 Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be encouraging them to 'do it yourself' Cheers Dave F. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept
SteveC wrote: Well I'll go further. openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' 2) enter problem 3) click ok the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should get that from the bbox or center point plus zoom. So with some changes I think we can integrate OSB and expose it front and center to help fix up the bugs. How is zooming all the way in repeatedly panning around to centre up, quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem? 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_. Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it. But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy to use if we can expose a simple bug system. It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't give a shit and lives on a boat in bliss. That's his choice, and it's totally fine, but if we all feel that way then we have to deal with the downside that every single day we lose tens of thousands of edits because of that monopoly on bad UI. All I'm suggesting is we sidestep the problem and connect people who can report a map bug but can't be bothered to deal with pain and suffering of potlatch with the people who can deal with it, at least until Richard gets his act together and stops fixing every stupid thing in the old codebase. You have to take a step back here and realise what we're missing out on. You really are a grade A tosser. When most people here treat others with respect, why do you have to degenerate it into a juvenile, Youtube style slanging match? What do you think Granny's reaction will be when she reads this? Dave F. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept
John Smith wrote: On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be encouraging them to 'do it yourself' While it'd be nice if people would fix any problems themselves, I don't think OSM's website is at the point where some granny can just quickly/easily sign up and tweak a few things, there is simply too many alien concepts for most people to grasp quickly and easily. Find some random non-technical family member and try and explain it to them some time. Yes, I fully understand the problems, but I think that, in principle, OSM should be encouraging community participation. Streetbugs, as it stands, doesn't do this. In the mean time if they can quickly explain the problem people could explain to the person reporting it how to fix it. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept
SteveC wrote: On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote: How is zooming all the way in repeatedly panning around to centre up, quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem? Hi, you've never done a UI review. http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study Money quote: Every user in this study struggled to get a basic grasp of the editing interface. Despite users’ overall excitement about Wikipedia, their willingness to spend up to an hour on the site, and varying levels of computer expertise, they largely failed to make edits correctly without repeated attempts and efforts. It would be worse for OSM. Ir shouldn't be. What proof do you have for that? You're comparing oranges with apples. With OSM being vector graphics icons, it's much easier to get to grips with than a scripting language. (As a side point, I think all references to XML format data should be banned from the wiki. It's too confusing not relevant for newbies.) Initial points after skimming your link: 15 is not a big enough set for accurate conclusions. Even worse it was vetted down, removing users who were willing editors. This gives a distorted view on how user friendly it is. And they were just from SF. Environment plays a big part in opinion surveys like this. Going on the photo' for the remote sessions it's results are hardly surprising - uncomfortable seats, broom cupboard room (I bet it got hot in there) poor posture positions. Most OSM users will learn at their own pace in the comfort of their own homes. I got to grips with OSM fairly quickly, yet I've still not worked out how to edit a wiki properly. 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_. Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it. But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy to use if we can expose a simple bug system. It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't give a shit and lives on a boat in bliss. That's his choice, and it's totally fine, but if we all feel that way then we have to deal with the downside that every single day we lose tens of thousands of edits because of that monopoly on bad UI. All I'm suggesting is we sidestep the problem and connect people who can report a map bug but can't be bothered to deal with pain and suffering of potlatch with the people who can deal with it, at least until Richard gets his act together and stops fixing every stupid thing in the old codebase. You have to take a step back here and realise what we're missing out on. You really are a grade A tosser. When most people here treat others with respect, why do you have to degenerate it into a juvenile, Youtube style slanging match? What do you think Granny's reaction will be when she reads this? Sorry, And so you should be. do you disagree with any specific point I made? I disagree with you general attitude. Regards Dave F. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
