On 29/08/13 19:41, Zack Weinberg wrote:
All the discussion of fallback character encodings has reminded me of an
issue I've been meaning to bring up for some time: As a user of the
en-US localization, nowadays the overwhelmingly most common situation
where I see mojibake is when a site puts
For a while now, Fennec and Linux-desktop nightlies have had the
built-in SPS-based time profiling using native stack unwinding. The
unwinding is done using our in-tree Breakpad copy, which includes a
bunch of speedup patches that are slowly making their way upstream.
What we have works, but is
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Julian Seward jsew...@acm.org wrote:
I am not sure how to deal with (4). Really it's completely unrelated
to the unwind mechanism -- it has to do with SPS' sampling policy at
the level above. There have been some ideas floated around to detect
when a thread
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Julian Seward jsew...@acm.org wrote:
That said, AFAICS the core problem is that once a thread blocks and we drop
the sampling rate, we have no obvious (direct, notification-based) way to
know when it has resumed, and hence are in danger of losing high-frequency
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Zack Weinberg za...@panix.com wrote:
All the discussion of fallback character encodings has reminded me of an
issue I've been meaning to bring up for some time: As a user of the en-US
localization, nowadays the overwhelmingly most common situation where I see
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@hsivonen.fi wrote:
I think we should encourage Web authors to use UTF-8 *and* to *declare* it.
I'm no expert on this stuff, but Henri's point sure sound sensible to me.
Nick
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On 2013-08-30, at 4:58 AM, Julian Seward wrote:
I am very tempted to create a new custom unwind library designed
specifically to support SPS. It needs to be fast, lower-footprint,
and multithreaded. Unlike Breakpad, it will -- at least initially --
avoid supporting all Tier 1 targets, and
- Original Message -
On 08/30/2013 11:07 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Being able to sample uniformly whether or not the thread is in a syscall is
important sometimes, so let's not lose that.
I am not proposing to lose that facility. Am only proposing (really,
merely parroting
On 2013-08-30 13:07:14 +, Jean-Yves Perrier said:
You didn't forget our monthly Virtual Doc Sprint starting in about 2
hours in #devmo! Even if late, join us!
https://wiki.mozilla.org/MDN/Doc_sprints/2013August
Ping us on #devmo for anything.
And if you don't write English, please
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Nathan Froyd froy...@mozilla.com wrote:
- Original Message -
On 08/30/2013 11:07 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Being able to sample uniformly whether or not the thread is in a
syscall is
important sometimes, so let's not lose that.
I am not
This is sort-of-kind-of platform related, but only indirectly, so let
me know if there's a better place to ask this question, please.
If a web page needs to be able to display the current release version
of Gecko, is there a place we can pull that information from, so that
the content doesn't
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Aryeh Gregor a...@aryeh.name wrote:
In particular, you need to decide on the encoding before you start
running any user script, because you don't want document.characterSet
etc. to change once it might have already been accessed. For
performance reasons, we
On 30 August 2013 15:09:08, Eric Shepherd wrote:
This could even be a place in the source code we could pull up a MXR
link and peel out of the code. I just don't know where in the code to
get it.
For platform:
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/config/milestone.txt
For
I don't know if it will serve your purposes, but wiki.mo does have:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:CURRENT_VERSION
and derivatives:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:BETA_VERSION
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:AURORA_VERSION
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:CENTRAL_VERSION
Doesn't do
- Original Message -
Depending on how deep the call stack is and how frequently we push and pop
stack frames, being able to not unwind some number of frames can be a
significant savings.
Isn't this assuming that the stack frames are unique? How would you handle
recursion under
(I like Ed's answer more, though)
On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Johnathan Nightingale wrote:
I don't know if it will serve your purposes, but wiki.mo does have:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:CURRENT_VERSION
and derivatives:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:BETA_VERSION
On 30 August 2013 15:14:54, Ed Morley wrote:
For platform:
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/config/milestone.txt
For Firefox (and yeah currently the same as platform):
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/browser/config/version.txt
(Although you'll
On 2013-08-30 14:14:54 +, Ed Morley said:
For platform:
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/config/milestone.txt
For Firefox (and yeah currently the same as platform):
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/browser/config/version.txt
This is
On 2013-08-30 10:16 AM, Nathan Froyd wrote:
- Original Message -
Depending on how deep the call stack is and how frequently we push and pop
stack frames, being able to not unwind some number of frames can be a
significant savings.
Isn't this assuming that the stack frames are unique?
On 8/30/13 4:14 PM, Ed Morley wrote:
On 30 August 2013 15:09:08, Eric Shepherd wrote:
This could even be a place in the source code we could pull up a MXR
link and peel out of the code. I just don't know where in the code to
get it.
For platform:
On 2013-08-30 16:01:21 +, Axel Hecht said:
This is going to be off by one release for one week out of 6, though.
We're doing the beta-release migration at release minus a week and a
day, i.e., we're migrating on Sept 9, and release on Sept 17:
On 8/30/13 7:09 AM, Eric Shepherd wrote:
This is sort-of-kind-of platform related, but only indirectly, so let me
know if there's a better place to ask this question, please.
If a web page needs to be able to display the current release version of
Gecko, is there a place we can pull that
On 2013-08-30 11:07 AM, Nathan Froyd wrote:
- Original Message -
Nevermind, I think your solution is talking about function addresses,
not stack frames.
If you think my solution is talking about function addresses, then I have
explained something poorly. Why do you think it is
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Eric Shepherd esheph...@mozilla.com wrote:
On 2013-08-30 16:13:50 +, Jesper Kristensen said:
I use http://svn.mozilla.org/libs/product-details/json/firefox_versions.json
I use that because that was what the download button on www.mozilla.org did.
I don't
On 2013-08-30 11:17 AM, Adam Roach wrote:
It seems to me that there's an important balance here between (a)
letting developers discover their configuration error and (b) allowing
users to render misconfigured content without specialized knowledge.
For what it's worth Internet Explorer
On 8/30/13 3:03 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
Telemetry data suggests that these days the more common reason for
seeing mojibake is that there is an encoding declaration but it is
wrong. My guess is that this arises from Linux distributions silently
changing their Apache defaults to send a charset
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Chris Peterson cpeter...@mozilla.com wrote:
Is there a less error-prone default we can recommend to Linux distribution
packagers? Maybe we can squelch the problem upstream instead of adding
browser hacks. The number of web server and distro packagers we would
On 08/30/2013 06:27 AM, Nathan Froyd wrote:
- Original Message -
On 08/30/2013 11:07 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
Being able to sample uniformly whether or not the thread is in a syscall is
important sometimes, so let's not lose that.
I am not proposing to lose that facility. Am only
On 8/30/2013 4:01 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gervase Markham g...@mozilla.org wrote:
We don't want people to try and move to UTF-8, but move back because
they haven't figured out how (or are technically unable) to label it
correctly and it comes out all wrong.
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Joshua Cranmer pidgeo...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem I have with this approach is that it assumes that the page is
authored by someone who definitively knows the charset, which is not a
scenario which universally holds. Suppose you have a page that serves up
On 8/30/13 14:11, Adam Roach wrote:
...helping the user understand why the headline they're trying to read
renders as Ð' ÐоÑ?дÑfме пÑEURедложили
оÑ,обÑEURаÑ,ÑOE Ð?обелÑ? Ñf Ðz(Ð±Ð°Ð¼Ñ rather than ?
??? ?? ?? ? ?.
Well, *there's* a heavy dose
On 8/30/13 12:24, Mike Hoye wrote:
On 2013-08-30 11:17 AM, Adam Roach wrote:
It seems to me that there's an important balance here between (a)
letting developers discover their configuration error and (b)
allowing users to render misconfigured content without specialized
knowledge.
For
On 2013-08-30 3:17 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
On 8/30/13 14:11, Adam Roach wrote:
...helping the user understand why the headline they're trying to
read renders as Ð' ÐоÑ?дÑfме пÑEURедложили
оÑ,обÑEURаÑ,ÑOE Ð?обелÑ? Ñf Ðz(Ð±Ð°Ð¼Ñ rather than ?
??? ??
On 8/30/13 13:41, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
Where did the text file come from? There's a source somewhere... And
these days that's hardly how people create content anyway.
Maybe not for the content _you_ consume, but the Internet is a bit
larger than our ivory tower.
Check out, for example:
The assertions that we have to catch refcounting objects on the wrong
thread are now fatal in opt builds. This change is scoped to the nightly
channel to avoid performance penalties on builds that are widely used, and
will not propagate to aurora. See bug 907914 for more details.
The motivation
tl;dr the tree currently allows you to run tests via make targets and
mach. The mach commands are more intuitive and easier to support going
forward, so I'm proposing we remove support for using make targets to
run tests. Please take the survey at
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/H5LB2GF to
On 8/30/2013 3:59 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote:
Aside from obvious I don't want to change complaints, are there any
objections to this change? Is anyone not able to run the mach testing
commands today? Are there features missing from the mach commands?
Please file bugs!
Mach and comm-central do
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 03:16:27PM +0100, Ed Morley wrote:
On 30 August 2013 15:14:54, Ed Morley wrote:
For platform:
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/config/milestone.txt
For Firefox (and yeah currently the same as platform):
(cross-posting to make sure this is not missed; please respond in
dev-planning or bug#847727)
tl,dr: we're moving replication of gecko+gaia repos to more robust
systems. This email gives quick status, and summary of rollout plan.
In the rush to B2G 1.0 release, we had to quickly stand up
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