Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: WAI-ARIA and Core Accessibility API Mappings

2017-12-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Jonathan Kingston wrote: > If roles are mapped 1:1 to HTML features we basically: > - Promote the use of bad markup and the expectation that bad markup will > use good ARIA. It's pretty clear that and et al have limitations that are not

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: WAI-ARIA and Core Accessibility API Mappings

2017-12-01 Thread Jonathan Kingston
Hey David, > * the problem is either: the web dev has reinvented something that would have hasd baked-in accessibility had they followed best practice instead, Or, best practice doesn't yet cover what web apps want or need to do...(related, see rules here https://www.w3.org/TR/using-aria/#rule1)

Re: ARIA implementation plans (was Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: WAI-ARIA and Core Accessibility API Mappings)

2017-11-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
Thanks David Bolter, this helps a lot. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 6:25 PM, David Bolter wrote: > Hi Tantek, > > I spun this off the rec proposals thread as per your suggestion. > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Tantek Çelik > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: WAI-ARIA and Core Accessibility API Mappings

2017-11-30 Thread David Bolter
Hi Jonathan, On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Jonathan Kingston wrote: > > *Thoughts* > We should ensure ARIA provides clear justification for any other roles that > already have HTML representation. > I'm pretty sceptical of ARIA helping Accessibility. I think there is more >

ARIA implementation plans (was Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: WAI-ARIA and Core Accessibility API Mappings)

2017-11-30 Thread David Bolter
Hi Tantek, I spun this off the rec proposals thread as per your suggestion. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:10 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > > [snip] > Two things: > > 1. Do we have an Intent to

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: WAI-ARIA and Core Accessibility API Mappings

2017-11-30 Thread Jonathan Kingston
*The changelog might be slightly jumbled.* The only involvement I had was with the password role. I think both lines should be removed from the changelog as they add confusion based on their current placements (it reads as if it was in 1.0 and since removed). *Thoughts* We should ensure ARIA

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: WAI-ARIA and Core Accessibility API Mappings

2017-11-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:10 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > Two W3C Proposed Recommendations are available for the membership of > W3C (including Mozilla) to vote on, before it proceeds to the final > stage of being a W3C Recomendation: > > Core Accessibility API Mappings 1.1 >

W3C Proposed Recommendations: WAI-ARIA and Core Accessibility API Mappings

2017-11-30 Thread L. David Baron
Two W3C Proposed Recommendations are available for the membership of W3C (including Mozilla) to vote on, before it proceeds to the final stage of being a W3C Recomendation: Core Accessibility API Mappings 1.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/