Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-12 Thread hferreira
I finally was able to reply on the test post with the new e-mail account !
Seems that after that (several minutes later), received an automatic e-mail
to reply and activate my account.
After that I was able to reply.

That never happens with my original account (using gmail).

Anyway, I will use my other account from now on for Apache Royale User
forum.

Thank you.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-12 Thread Andrew Wetmore
I sent a test message; will let you know what happens

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:28 AM Alex Harui 
wrote:

> Does any other PMC member have time to use an unsubscribed email to see
> what happens?  Otherwise, I will try myself later.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 11/11/18, 1:55 PM, "hferreira"  wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm having issues posting on Apache Royale foruns for some reason.
> What I'm doing here is login in nable and create a post and works.
>
> On Apache Royale foruns, I tried exactly the same.
> Also tried to send e-mail directly to us...@royale.apache.org as a
> desperate
> measure but always got errors but I would like to use nable.
>
> Yes, I agree that the community should make that happens.
> I hope I can contribute any time soon.
>
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-12 Thread Alex Harui
Does any other PMC member have time to use an unsubscribed email to see what 
happens?  Otherwise, I will try myself later.

-Alex

On 11/11/18, 1:55 PM, "hferreira"  wrote:

Yes, I'm having issues posting on Apache Royale foruns for some reason.
What I'm doing here is login in nable and create a post and works.

On Apache Royale foruns, I tried exactly the same.
Also tried to send e-mail directly to us...@royale.apache.org as a desperate
measure but always got errors but I would like to use nable.

Yes, I agree that the community should make that happens.
I hope I can contribute any time soon.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-11 Thread hferreira
Yes, I'm having issues posting on Apache Royale foruns for some reason.
What I'm doing here is login in nable and create a post and works.

On Apache Royale foruns, I tried exactly the same.
Also tried to send e-mail directly to us...@royale.apache.org as a desperate
measure but always got errors but I would like to use nable.

Yes, I agree that the community should make that happens.
I hope I can contribute any time soon.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-09 Thread Alex Harui
I have never used Nabble other than to click on links to emails.  When you say 
"registration" what steps are you doing to register?  If you detail what steps 
you are taking I will try it using some other email address I have to see what 
happens and see if I can reproduce the problems you are having.  It would be a 
bad problem for Royale if folks cannot join us via Nabble.

When you write that the 1.0 Emulation Components should be as fully-compatible 
with Flex as possible, I feel compelled to keep reminding people that Royale is 
not an Adobe-led effort like Flex or even Cordova.  There is no plan for Adobe 
to try to make any money off of Royale, so  there is no team of Adobe employees 
trying to develop Royale.  I'm just here as a generous donation from Adobe to 
try to build a self-sustaining community of non-Adobe people at Apache.  So if 
you want maximum compatibility with Flex, you and others have to make that 
happen.  There is no way for me to do that by myself any time soon.  I would 
love to work on Royale for the rest of my career, but it is unlikely that Adobe 
will pay me to do that forever.  So everyone else who wants Royale to succeed 
must take it upon themselves to learn the code and contribute code.

My 2 cents,
-Alex

On 11/9/18, 4:59 AM, "hferreira"  wrote:

Hi Alex,

I see now at once all my attempts to Flex Users mailing list (I like to use
directly from Nabble, despite of the UI).

However, I still don't see any change no Royale Users mailing list:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-users.20374.n8.nabble.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C1752a59686bd4468547808d646432f2c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636773651702504677sdata=4vNOb3sV3xSMlYxuzepqEsUacLRSBqi929lJxuzTf5Y%3Dreserved=0
Perhaps a issue related with permissions of my user (I have the registration
on Apache Flex foruns from a long time but my registration on Royale is
new).

About the questions:
You can generate an API Report by following these instructions: 

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fwiki%2FGenerating-an-API-Reportdata=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C1752a59686bd4468547808d646432f2c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636773651702504677sdata=PxcasCNSgv0C%2BGp9PzRLKk%2FkrOOf2uR9VdUaqB4a8io%3Dreserved=0
R: Thank you. I will investigate that.

1) Apache Royale does have some support for FXG.  It might need 
improvement. 
R: OK. I use FXG and love it.
2) AIR APIs are generally replaced by Cordova APIs/Plugins.  So see if
Cordova has suitable SQLite plugins. 
R: OK.
3) AIR Native Extensions are also generally replaced by Cordova Plugins. 
R: OK.

Seems that I have a long way to go thru ...
I Will do it on baby steps as a parallel project along with my development
that can't stop.

I did the same with my backend for convert from .NET Framework to .NET Core.
It took me an year but is now it's a reallity and stable to finally ready to
move.
I converted the code, check the conflit points. Found alternatives
compatible with both frameworks at put them in productions (allows to
garantee that works).
And on the very limit I ended up build new components and offer then to the
community (since it's not my core).

I will try do the same strategy the frontend (Flex to Royale), because after
what I see now, Royale seems to be a real thing now and it's not a alpha
product anymore (at least on the general concept).

I first experience (a very long time ago) was so bad that even to build a
simple test case was a nightmare but now I can.

The new components are very important as good foundations however the
emulation that you guys are working is the key for the success.
There are a lot of projects out there that without the emulation are
impossible to migrate (even so it's a hard work) and if this projects move
to Royale, the community will grow.
On my opinion, the version 1.0 should have the emulation as complete as
possible.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-09 Thread Piotr Zarzycki
Hugo,

I hope we will soon see some contributions from you, because this is quite
powerful. If something doesn't work for you you can fix it on your own. :)

Good Luck!
Piotr

pt., 9 lis 2018 o 13:59 hferreira  napisał(a):

> Hi Alex,
>
> I see now at once all my attempts to Flex Users mailing list (I like to use
> directly from Nabble, despite of the UI).
>
> However, I still don't see any change no Royale Users mailing list:
> http://apache-royale-users.20374.n8.nabble.com/
> Perhaps a issue related with permissions of my user (I have the
> registration
> on Apache Flex foruns from a long time but my registration on Royale is
> new).
>
> About the questions:
> You can generate an API Report by following these instructions:
> https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/wiki/Generating-an-API-Report
> R: Thank you. I will investigate that.
>
> 1) Apache Royale does have some support for FXG.  It might need
> improvement.
> R: OK. I use FXG and love it.
> 2) AIR APIs are generally replaced by Cordova APIs/Plugins.  So see if
> Cordova has suitable SQLite plugins.
> R: OK.
> 3) AIR Native Extensions are also generally replaced by Cordova Plugins.
> R: OK.
>
> Seems that I have a long way to go thru ...
> I Will do it on baby steps as a parallel project along with my development
> that can't stop.
>
> I did the same with my backend for convert from .NET Framework to .NET
> Core.
> It took me an year but is now it's a reallity and stable to finally ready
> to
> move.
> I converted the code, check the conflit points. Found alternatives
> compatible with both frameworks at put them in productions (allows to
> garantee that works).
> And on the very limit I ended up build new components and offer then to the
> community (since it's not my core).
>
> I will try do the same strategy the frontend (Flex to Royale), because
> after
> what I see now, Royale seems to be a real thing now and it's not a alpha
> product anymore (at least on the general concept).
>
> I first experience (a very long time ago) was so bad that even to build a
> simple test case was a nightmare but now I can.
>
> The new components are very important as good foundations however the
> emulation that you guys are working is the key for the success.
> There are a lot of projects out there that without the emulation are
> impossible to migrate (even so it's a hard work) and if this projects move
> to Royale, the community will grow.
> On my opinion, the version 1.0 should have the emulation as complete as
> possible.
>
>
>
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-09 Thread hferreira
Hi Alex,

I see now at once all my attempts to Flex Users mailing list (I like to use
directly from Nabble, despite of the UI).

However, I still don't see any change no Royale Users mailing list:
http://apache-royale-users.20374.n8.nabble.com/
Perhaps a issue related with permissions of my user (I have the registration
on Apache Flex foruns from a long time but my registration on Royale is
new).

About the questions:
You can generate an API Report by following these instructions: 
https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/wiki/Generating-an-API-Report
R: Thank you. I will investigate that.

1) Apache Royale does have some support for FXG.  It might need improvement. 
R: OK. I use FXG and love it.
2) AIR APIs are generally replaced by Cordova APIs/Plugins.  So see if
Cordova has suitable SQLite plugins. 
R: OK.
3) AIR Native Extensions are also generally replaced by Cordova Plugins. 
R: OK.

Seems that I have a long way to go thru ...
I Will do it on baby steps as a parallel project along with my development
that can't stop.

I did the same with my backend for convert from .NET Framework to .NET Core.
It took me an year but is now it's a reallity and stable to finally ready to
move.
I converted the code, check the conflit points. Found alternatives
compatible with both frameworks at put them in productions (allows to
garantee that works).
And on the very limit I ended up build new components and offer then to the
community (since it's not my core).

I will try do the same strategy the frontend (Flex to Royale), because after
what I see now, Royale seems to be a real thing now and it's not a alpha
product anymore (at least on the general concept).

I first experience (a very long time ago) was so bad that even to build a
simple test case was a nightmare but now I can.

The new components are very important as good foundations however the
emulation that you guys are working is the key for the success.
There are a lot of projects out there that without the emulation are
impossible to migrate (even so it's a hard work) and if this projects move
to Royale, the community will grow.
On my opinion, the version 1.0 should have the emulation as complete as
possible.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-08 Thread Alex Harui
Your posts via Nabble to dev@flex.a.o are working.  I can see them without 
going to Nabble.

Something may be broken with Nabble and Royale.  I noticed you were trying 
users@royale.  Did you also try d...@royale.apache.org?  If not, give it a try, 
and also try directly sending an email instead of using Nabble.

-Alex

On 11/8/18, 10:25 AM, "hferreira"  wrote:

Alex, your e-mail is hidden on this thread.

I'm using directly nabble website.

Anyway, this was my post (attempt to):

Following

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com%2FQuestion-on-Migrating-from-Flex-to-FlexJS-td65514.htmldata=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C532461892248464eb09508d645a79968%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636772983470391514sdata=Xk1EieutLb1l2Is7lwOzUcNqKkk2ruql4mVtpj3H3rs%3Dreserved=0
...

"we have some tooling to try to analyze your code"
Great. Can you please point me where this tools are and how to use them (I
suposed that's a command line) ?

A few questions:
1. Apache Roayle support FXG (visual elements and colors with XML) in the
same way as Flex SDK or there is plans to ?
2. Flex SDK on AIR have native support (without ANE) for SQLite. This is
very important for mobile applications and also for offline content on
desktop applications. Does Royale supports this ?
3. AIR supports native extensions that are important for mobile. How Apache
Roayle deals with that ?

Chears,
Hugo.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-08 Thread Alex Harui
Hi,

Emails I sent at 6pm last night are finally showing up on the mailing list now 
(10am).  Sometimes the mail servers fall behind.

I just realized that I have not seen any moderation emails for users@royale.  I 
will check on that.

Nightly builds are here:
http://apacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/royale-asjs/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/

-Alex

On 11/8/18, 10:07 AM, "hferreira"  wrote:

Alex,

The e-mail links are hidden !
Anyway, I tried to subscribe again.

Meanwhile I tried to get the night build (I really, really want to see
MX/Spark emulation on action) but I got a page error !

"we have some tooling to try to analyze your code"
Great. Can you please point me where this tools are and how to use them (I
suposed that's a command line) ?

A few more questions:
1. Apache Roayle support FXG (visual elements and colors with XML) in the
same way as Flex SDK or there is plans to ?
2. Flex SDK on AIR have native support (without ANE) for SQLite. This is
very important for mobile applications and also for offline content on
desktop applications. Does Royale supports this ?
3. AIR supports native extensions that are important for mobile. How Apache
Roayle deals with that ?



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-08 Thread hferreira
Alex, your e-mail is hidden on this thread.

I'm using directly nabble website.

Anyway, this was my post (attempt to):

Following
http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/Question-on-Migrating-from-Flex-to-FlexJS-td65514.html
...

"we have some tooling to try to analyze your code"
Great. Can you please point me where this tools are and how to use them (I
suposed that's a command line) ?

A few questions:
1. Apache Roayle support FXG (visual elements and colors with XML) in the
same way as Flex SDK or there is plans to ?
2. Flex SDK on AIR have native support (without ANE) for SQLite. This is
very important for mobile applications and also for offline content on
desktop applications. Does Royale supports this ?
3. AIR supports native extensions that are important for mobile. How Apache
Roayle deals with that ?

Chears,
Hugo.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-08 Thread hferreira
Alex, your e-mail is hidden on this thread.

I'm using directly nabble website.

Anyway, this was my post (attempt to):

Following
http://apache-flex-development.247.n4.nabble.com/Question-on-Migrating-from-Flex-to-FlexJS-td65514.html
...

"we have some tooling to try to analyze your code"
Great. Can you please point me where this tools are and how to use them (I
suposed that's a command line) ?

A few questions:
1. Apache Roayle support FXG (visual elements and colors with XML) in the
same way as Flex SDK or there is plans to ?
2. Flex SDK on AIR have native support (without ANE) for SQLite. This is
very important for mobile applications and also for offline content on
desktop applications. Does Royale supports this ?
3. AIR supports native extensions that are important for mobile. How Apache
Roayle deals with that ?

Chears,
Hugo.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-08 Thread hferreira
Alex,

The e-mail links are hidden !
Anyway, I tried to subscribe again.

Meanwhile I tried to get the night build (I really, really want to see
MX/Spark emulation on action) but I got a page error !

"we have some tooling to try to analyze your code"
Great. Can you please point me where this tools are and how to use them (I
suposed that's a command line) ?

A few more questions:
1. Apache Roayle support FXG (visual elements and colors with XML) in the
same way as Flex SDK or there is plans to ?
2. Flex SDK on AIR have native support (without ANE) for SQLite. This is
very important for mobile applications and also for offline content on
desktop applications. Does Royale supports this ?
3. AIR supports native extensions that are important for mobile. How Apache
Roayle deals with that ?



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-08 Thread hferreira
Alex,

Wall your e-mails shows as hidden for me.

I tryed again and got this message:
This message was sent from hferreira...@gmail.com to the
us...@royale.apache.org mailing list. 
This message will not appear in this archive until it has been accepted by
the mailing list. You may want to save a copy of this message in case it is
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-08 Thread Olaf Krueger
Hmm... just a test, I just replied and it seems my post didn't make it to the
list.




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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-08 Thread Olaf Krueger
I noticed that rarely/sporadically some posts don't make it to the list for
whatever reason.
Maybe you just should give it another try...?

Olaf




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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread Alex Harui
Hmm.  Try sending an email to d...@royale.apache.org and cc aha...@apache.org 
so I can see what you send.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 11/7/18, 2:54 PM, "hferreira"  wrote:

Alex Harui-2,

I tried both !



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread hferreira
Alex Harui-2,

I tried both !



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Hugo,

for quick tutorials please check this:

https://royale.apache.org/category/royale-examples/

To see what's capable Royale actually check as well Jewel Example test
project:

https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/tree/develop/examples/royale/JewelExample

(I think we should have this in running in the website, hope to add this
soon)

To see videos of Royale in action we posted several animated Gif here

http://twitter.com/apacheroyale

IMHO, I'm working in a real Apache Royale for a client now, and I think we
have mostly all the pieces, to go to production at least with Jewel UI set,
and we are focusing in fix bug and add enhancements as we needed.

So I think we are in a beta quality product (and no more an alpha) at least
in some parts and paths to get a real application done today.

If you can join us, and support fixing bugs or doing PRs, that will do a
huge difference to have two more hands contributing

Thanks!

Carlos








El mié., 7 nov. 2018 a las 17:33, Alex Harui ()
escribió:

> Hmm.  Are you using Nabble to email the Royale Dev list or directly
> emailing d...@royale.apache.org?
>
> All Apache lists are moderated.  It is recommended that you subscribe by
> emailing dev-subscr...@royale.apache.org and the email robot will send
> you an acknowledge email that you have to respond to.  If you directly
> email dev@ without subscribing, it should show up in the moderation queue
> and I didn't see anything in the queue.  If you are using Nabble, I don't
> know how it works because I don't use it.  Maybe someone else can help.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 11/7/18, 1:17 AM, "hferreira"  wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I have replied on Apache Royale mailing list for users.
> I don't see my post there.
> There is an approval process ?
>
> Regards,
> Hugo.
>
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread Alex Harui
Hmm.  Are you using Nabble to email the Royale Dev list or directly emailing 
d...@royale.apache.org?

All Apache lists are moderated.  It is recommended that you subscribe by 
emailing dev-subscr...@royale.apache.org and the email robot will send you an 
acknowledge email that you have to respond to.  If you directly email dev@ 
without subscribing, it should show up in the moderation queue and I didn't see 
anything in the queue.  If you are using Nabble, I don't know how it works 
because I don't use it.  Maybe someone else can help.

-Alex

On 11/7/18, 1:17 AM, "hferreira"  wrote:

Hi Alex,

I have replied on Apache Royale mailing list for users.
I don't see my post there.
There is an approval process ?

Regards,
Hugo.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread hferreira
OK,

First, as said before it's the top one for Apache Roayle (congrats).
While I'm trying to code, the IDE didn't popup any intelisense (also I don't
saw any window with a log error, so I assumed that intelisense was not
supported).
If you would like to investigated, I don't know where I can help without
logs but I'm using macOS (latest OS version) on a MacBook Pro (latest
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread Piotr Zarzycki
Hugo,

Even if you won't end up using Moonshine with Royale - your initial
experience would be very valuable to us. We wanted to improve that IDE
until experience will be smooth. :)

Thanks,
Piotr

śr., 7 lis 2018 o 10:22 hferreira  napisał(a):

> piotrz,
>
> "In case of Moonshine are you saying that your experience was bad
> previously"
> I appreciate your efforts about Moonshine but I believe that I never said
> that. I'm focus with Apache Royale and tried now Moonshine among others.
>
> "Moonshine has full intellisence support."
> I didn't know. I assume that intelisense was not supported.
>
> "We are a bit delayed with release cause Apple App
> store hold us"
> That's why I don't use Apple Store for desktop Apps :D
>
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread hferreira
piotrz,

"In case of Moonshine are you saying that your experience was bad 
previously"
I appreciate your efforts about Moonshine but I believe that I never said
that. I'm focus with Apache Royale and tried now Moonshine among others.

"Moonshine has full intellisence support."
I didn't know. I assume that intelisense was not supported.

"We are a bit delayed with release cause Apple App 
store hold us"
That's why I don't use Apple Store for desktop Apps :D



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread hferreira
Hi Alex,

I have replied on Apache Royale mailing list for users.
I don't see my post there.
There is an approval process ?

Regards,
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread Piotr Zarzycki
Hugo,

Moonshine has full intellisence support. If something doesn't work for you
provide details. I do recommend using Nightly Build of Royale for now. We
have on our pipeline release Moonshine 1.16.0. I can send you off the list
Nightly build as well. We are a bit delayed with release cause Apple App
store hold us with new requirements which we are trying to full fill.

Thanks,
Piotr

śr., 7 lis 2018 o 10:04 Piotr Zarzycki 
napisał(a):

> Hi Hugo,
>
> In case of Moonshine are you saying that your experience was bad
> previously, currently nothing change for you as well ?
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> wt., 6 lis 2018 o 19:28 hferreira  napisał(a):
>
>> I just checked the Apache Royale web site and seems good (comparing to my
>> last visit a long time ago).
>> Still many "TODO" pages.
>>
>> By change, I tried the starting IntelliJ and a TODO page.
>> However I see that the others IDE's already have a start page, but I don't
>> use Flash Builder (for many years now), Visual Studio Code it's not a IDE
>> and I would not go thru Moonshine (I don't want to see me there), so I
>> will
>> try with Visual Studio Code the tutorial.
>>
>> I checked the mailing list (for the very first time) and surprisingly
>> seems
>> to be very active).
>>
>> I definitively will try later to build a sample use case.
>>
>> I know that this is a community project (and that a strong point on my
>> opinion), however I continue to think that an important peace is messing:
>> A
>> lot of tutorials and sample starting projects.
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-07 Thread Piotr Zarzycki
Hi Hugo,

In case of Moonshine are you saying that your experience was bad
previously, currently nothing change for you as well ?

Thanks,
Piotr

wt., 6 lis 2018 o 19:28 hferreira  napisał(a):

> I just checked the Apache Royale web site and seems good (comparing to my
> last visit a long time ago).
> Still many "TODO" pages.
>
> By change, I tried the starting IntelliJ and a TODO page.
> However I see that the others IDE's already have a start page, but I don't
> use Flash Builder (for many years now), Visual Studio Code it's not a IDE
> and I would not go thru Moonshine (I don't want to see me there), so I will
> try with Visual Studio Code the tutorial.
>
> I checked the mailing list (for the very first time) and surprisingly seems
> to be very active).
>
> I definitively will try later to build a sample use case.
>
> I know that this is a community project (and that a strong point on my
> opinion), however I continue to think that an important peace is messing: A
> lot of tutorials and sample starting projects.
>
>
>
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread Alex Harui
Hi,

The next release should have better support for emulation components.  You do 
have to change the xml namespace to use them:

  xmlns:mx="library://ns.adobe.com/flex/mx"
  xmlns:s="library://ns.adobe.com/flex/spark"

need to be changed to:

  xmlns:mx="library://ns.apache.org/royale/mx"
  xmlns:s="library://ns.apache.org/royale/spark"

Regarding migrating your application, we have some tooling to try to analyze 
your code and see what Flash and Flex APIs are using.  And you can just fork 
your code, replace the XML namespaces and see what happens.

Regarding the external components, you can examine the imports they use to see 
what flash classes are being used.   MXML files have some hidden "automatic"  
imports so it is a bit harder to see what they use.  We have emulated some 
Flash classes, but it is not a goal to emulate all of them.  We want to get 
away from dependencies on Flash APIs because some sort of rely on the way Flash 
renders, and some features like listener priorities and weak references are not 
easily reproduced on other platforms.

You can get started now with a nightly build.  Please continue the conversation 
over at d...@royale.apache.org.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 11/6/18, 5:26 PM, "hferreira"  wrote:

Hi Alex,

I just come from the first Apache Royale test (current version 0.9.2).
I think that my last attempt was 0.5 (or less) !

Starting on the IDE:
I know by now why there is no starting tutorial for IntelliJ: Because does
guys are waiting to see where this will end up, so there is no official
IntelliJ support by now.
Flash Builder as said before is not an opinion for years and I will not go
back there.
I tryed Moonshine and seems that this IDE was designed for Apache Royale. I
couldn't expect that could be easier to start a project (even for a
beginner), however without intellisense support unfortunately it's a no.
For last but not least, I went thru Visual Studio Code (ho, boy that text
editor evolved from my last test). Everything it's manual however following
this instructions

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fwiki%2FVisual-Studio-Codedata=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C49a953b78b2a4e324c2208d6444fff87%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636771507711668266sdata=jIJop6p5wZur1kZksz%2BvBUGjxeQmchJ06Rpq21ffsoQ%3Dreserved=0
 I was able to
build a Hello Word test project and then started to play around.
Intellisense works out of the box !
And I saw references to TLF on intellisense that you mentioned before (very
good :) ).

Pure Apache Royale it's noticeable more mature than before and without
compiling errors on the first experience. It's not a alpha product anymore
an deserves to be almost version 1.0 but this was a short test.
I didn't even care about debug for now.

As explain before, for me, to be even possible to move from Apache Flex to
Apache Royale, I need to:
1. Move a very big ship (block by block) to your new approach emulation
components (accepting that they will not optimised for speed);
2. Find a way to move a few external components (I have the source code of
all them);
3. Fix a lot of issues during a few months in tests;
4. Then and only then, I can start moving pieces of components to pure
Apache Royale (accepting that there is the possibility to end up with a mix
of pure Apache Royale components and emulated ones but I already have that
with MX and Spark anyway).

During this test, I tryed but not be able to use any MX component so my
guess is that is not yet on this release and perhaps only on the night
builds or even on your local machine waiting for commit. This assumption is
correct ?
MX and Spark emulation are predicted for the next 0.9.3 ?

As you can imagine, there is old code that is not following the best
approach.
I have the business logic separated from the UI but it's not all the cases.
My first work will be starting refactoring and this, I can start right now.
As much perfection my code is before the port, easier will be.
Then, only after MX and Spark emulation be on a release will make sense to
start but I'm excited to do and when I enter on that space, for sure that I
will be a contributor (at least on documentation for others, report bugs and
provide fixs).

Thank you very much for you work since always on this project.
For what I saw, I believe that one day I may move my code (I was not
expecting that).



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread hferreira
Hi Alex,

I just come from the first Apache Royale test (current version 0.9.2).
I think that my last attempt was 0.5 (or less) !

Starting on the IDE:
I know by now why there is no starting tutorial for IntelliJ: Because does
guys are waiting to see where this will end up, so there is no official
IntelliJ support by now.
Flash Builder as said before is not an opinion for years and I will not go
back there.
I tryed Moonshine and seems that this IDE was designed for Apache Royale. I
couldn't expect that could be easier to start a project (even for a
beginner), however without intellisense support unfortunately it's a no.
For last but not least, I went thru Visual Studio Code (ho, boy that text
editor evolved from my last test). Everything it's manual however following
this instructions
https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/wiki/Visual-Studio-Code I was able to
build a Hello Word test project and then started to play around.
Intellisense works out of the box !
And I saw references to TLF on intellisense that you mentioned before (very
good :) ).

Pure Apache Royale it's noticeable more mature than before and without
compiling errors on the first experience. It's not a alpha product anymore
an deserves to be almost version 1.0 but this was a short test.
I didn't even care about debug for now.

As explain before, for me, to be even possible to move from Apache Flex to
Apache Royale, I need to:
1. Move a very big ship (block by block) to your new approach emulation
components (accepting that they will not optimised for speed);
2. Find a way to move a few external components (I have the source code of
all them);
3. Fix a lot of issues during a few months in tests;
4. Then and only then, I can start moving pieces of components to pure
Apache Royale (accepting that there is the possibility to end up with a mix
of pure Apache Royale components and emulated ones but I already have that
with MX and Spark anyway).

During this test, I tryed but not be able to use any MX component so my
guess is that is not yet on this release and perhaps only on the night
builds or even on your local machine waiting for commit. This assumption is
correct ?
MX and Spark emulation are predicted for the next 0.9.3 ?

As you can imagine, there is old code that is not following the best
approach.
I have the business logic separated from the UI but it's not all the cases.
My first work will be starting refactoring and this, I can start right now.
As much perfection my code is before the port, easier will be.
Then, only after MX and Spark emulation be on a release will make sense to
start but I'm excited to do and when I enter on that space, for sure that I
will be a contributor (at least on documentation for others, report bugs and
provide fixs).

Thank you very much for you work since always on this project.
For what I saw, I believe that one day I may move my code (I was not
expecting that).



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread Alex Harui
Hi,

Yes, your understanding is correct in that there is a set of components in 
Royale called Basic that are aimed more at small, fast applications than at 
backward-compatibility with Flex.

It is a fair amount of work to migrate your code to the Basic components, 
although still much less work than porting all of our code to some other JS 
Framework.  If you have good separation of "business logic" from your UI, you 
should find that your business logic can be used with few changes.  That's the 
biggest savings as you don't have to debug all of those lines of code agin.  
Instead, the work is in rewriting your UI to use the Basic components, although 
some folks want to do that anyway to modernize their UI.

Carlos is working on a component set called Jewel that has more modern UI 
widgets.

And I and some others are working on the Emulation Components.  Their goal is 
to require much less rewriting of your existing Flex MXML.  It won't be as 
small and fast, and you will be able to swap out some pieces for smaller/faster 
ones if you need to and have the time.  It isn't really a one-man show.  For 
sure, I am doing a significant amount of the work, but there are others helping 
out in smaller contributions and every contribution counts.  We hope you and 
others will join us.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 11/6/18, 11:10 AM, "hferreira"  wrote:

My beloved flex tour (not see for a long time now) in Roayle :D
I read in the past that intention but did not know it was actually done.

"I am focused on the Emulation Components that are intended to mimic MX and
Spark components in Flex in order to lower the effort of migrating from Flex
to Royale"
That would definitively make the things easier and it's on my opinion the
good way to go.
I understand that started as things in Royale that are not compatible with
Flex, so you could evolve however have a compatible layer it's a most to
have.
If I migrate an entire project, later I can move each piece for something
more like Royale.

I understand that this is a community but end up with one man show (you).

I would love to contribute as I already did (a little) with Flex, however I
need to first enter on Roayle that it's a completly new game for me, so I'm
new on that field but you wake up my interested, so I will check later.

Thank you.




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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread hferreira
My beloved flex tour (not see for a long time now) in Roayle :D
I read in the past that intention but did not know it was actually done.

"I am focused on the Emulation Components that are intended to mimic MX and
Spark components in Flex in order to lower the effort of migrating from Flex
to Royale"
That would definitively make the things easier and it's on my opinion the
good way to go.
I understand that started as things in Royale that are not compatible with
Flex, so you could evolve however have a compatible layer it's a most to
have.
If I migrate an entire project, later I can move each piece for something
more like Royale.

I understand that this is a community but end up with one man show (you).

I would love to contribute as I already did (a little) with Flex, however I
need to first enter on Roayle that it's a completly new game for me, so I'm
new on that field but you wake up my interested, so I will check later.

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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread Alex Harui
Yep, we can always use more tutorials and other "on-boarding" material.

I personally have not worked too much on that because I think for right now, my 
energy is best spent on making sure that the code actually works.  It seems 
that most folks don't have the experience and time to work on that.  I think 
that there are more folks, including you, who are capable of writing small bits 
of documentation and examples and could help us build up that set of material.

One thing about Royale is that there is no one set of UI widgets that you must 
use.  I think that's good in that you are not locked into using MX or Spark or 
in Royale's case, the Basic components or Jewel.  You can use Jquery, CreateJS, 
Material Design Lite.  You can wrap any existing JS framework that has a 
procedural API, and probably others if you really wanted to.  Royale is really 
in the business of creating a software developer workflow for assembling chunks 
of JavaScript together.  But that makes it harder for generating 
getting-started materials because there are multiple paths you can get started 
on.

Right now, I am focused on the Emulation Components that are intended to mimic 
MX and Spark components in Flex in order to lower the effort of migrating from 
Flex to Royale.  It won't be 100% backward compatible, but should be much less 
rewriting than porting to other JS frameworks.

Here is a link to Tour De Flex migrated to Royale with relatively few changes:
http://apacheroyaleci.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/TourDeFlexMigration/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/examples/mxroyale/tourdeflexmodules/bin/js-debug/index.html

Only  the MX/Visual Components/General Controls have been seen to run (except 
ColorPicker), but I'm finishing up LineChart right now.  The demo may break at 
times and the visuals are not tuned up, but it will give you an idea of what is 
possible.  We just need more folks to contribute.  Anyone who contributes helps 
lower the cost of migrating for everyone else.  If we get lots of people 
pitching in, it is like having a large team to migrate your app.

-Alex 

On 11/6/18, 10:28 AM, "hferreira"  wrote:

I just checked the Apache Royale web site and seems good (comparing to my
last visit a long time ago).
Still many "TODO" pages.

By change, I tried the starting IntelliJ and a TODO page.
However I see that the others IDE's already have a start page, but I don't
use Flash Builder (for many years now), Visual Studio Code it's not a IDE
and I would not go thru Moonshine (I don't want to see me there), so I will
try with Visual Studio Code the tutorial.

I checked the mailing list (for the very first time) and surprisingly seems
to be very active).

I definitively will try later to build a sample use case.

I know that this is a community project (and that a strong point on my
opinion), however I continue to think that an important peace is messing: A
lot of tutorials and sample starting projects.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread hferreira
I just checked the Apache Royale web site and seems good (comparing to my
last visit a long time ago).
Still many "TODO" pages.

By change, I tried the starting IntelliJ and a TODO page.
However I see that the others IDE's already have a start page, but I don't
use Flash Builder (for many years now), Visual Studio Code it's not a IDE
and I would not go thru Moonshine (I don't want to see me there), so I will
try with Visual Studio Code the tutorial.

I checked the mailing list (for the very first time) and surprisingly seems
to be very active).

I definitively will try later to build a sample use case.

I know that this is a community project (and that a strong point on my
opinion), however I continue to think that an important peace is messing: A
lot of tutorials and sample starting projects.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread hferreira
"but TLF is running in Royale without Flash/AIR"
Really !
That's good news (for me) to know.
I'm out of Royale, so I'm probably outdated on that area.

As said before, my experience with FlexJS (now Apache Royale) was a long
time ago on a early days and on that time, what I saw was a pre-alpha
quality product.
Perhaps I should try again now and see what is capable of.

There is a tutorial for scratch using IntelliJ (or other IDEA but I prefer
IntelliJ) ?
A simple hello word that I could just build (ie transpite) and then evolve
to check was is possible to do and what is not ?



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread Alex Harui
FWIW, Harbs can say more about what didn't get migrated, but TLF is running in 
Royale without Flash/AIR.

What else is on your list of missing features?

Thanks,
-Alex

On 11/6/18, 3:30 AM, "hferreira"  wrote:

Hi,

I will give you my input of this one:
I have a large Flex project for many years now (more than 1.5 millions lines
of code and growing).
This project started for AIR because on that time was predicted that one day
Flash on Web will end and HTML5 was just an ideia on that time (also there
was the intention to use features directly from desktop that they are very
difficult to get on the web space).
Even so, this project have very complex features that it's not possible on
the present with any web technology that I know !

I already tested FlexJS (now Apache Royale) for about 2 years now and "for
me" it was a pre-alpha quality product on that time.
I believe that now it's more mature but even so without things like Flex TLF
support I wouldn't even take a look and probably we will never get this kind
of specific features.

If I was you, I would take a look on Apache Royale and invest a few time to
try to port the code (at least you will know if this is an option to
consider or not).

Than you have the AIR option that it's a guarantee low friction porting
option, however it's a change of paradigma (desktop vs web).
I strongly recommend a "click once"/"auto-update" or what ever you would
like to call, option.
For this, I designed mysef an auto-update mechanism compatible with Windows
and macOS available on Github with MIT license.



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread hferreira
Check this out: https://github.com/SolidSoft-Lda/AIR-AutoUpdate
This AutoUpdate engine auto restart the Desktop App after the update 
(compatible with macOS, Win-32 and Win-64). 



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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Hugo,

maybe you should post the like to your auto-update solution, so people
could check it.

thanks for you points, very valuable

Carlos



El mar., 6 nov. 2018 a las 12:30, hferreira ()
escribió:

> Hi,
>
> I will give you my input of this one:
> I have a large Flex project for many years now (more than 1.5 millions
> lines
> of code and growing).
> This project started for AIR because on that time was predicted that one
> day
> Flash on Web will end and HTML5 was just an ideia on that time (also there
> was the intention to use features directly from desktop that they are very
> difficult to get on the web space).
> Even so, this project have very complex features that it's not possible on
> the present with any web technology that I know !
>
> I already tested FlexJS (now Apache Royale) for about 2 years now and "for
> me" it was a pre-alpha quality product on that time.
> I believe that now it's more mature but even so without things like Flex
> TLF
> support I wouldn't even take a look and probably we will never get this
> kind
> of specific features.
>
> If I was you, I would take a look on Apache Royale and invest a few time to
> try to port the code (at least you will know if this is an option to
> consider or not).
>
> Than you have the AIR option that it's a guarantee low friction porting
> option, however it's a change of paradigma (desktop vs web).
> I strongly recommend a "click once"/"auto-update" or what ever you would
> like to call, option.
> For this, I designed mysef an auto-update mechanism compatible with Windows
> and macOS available on Github with MIT license.
>
>
>
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-06 Thread hferreira
Hi,

I will give you my input of this one:
I have a large Flex project for many years now (more than 1.5 millions lines
of code and growing).
This project started for AIR because on that time was predicted that one day
Flash on Web will end and HTML5 was just an ideia on that time (also there
was the intention to use features directly from desktop that they are very
difficult to get on the web space).
Even so, this project have very complex features that it's not possible on
the present with any web technology that I know !

I already tested FlexJS (now Apache Royale) for about 2 years now and "for
me" it was a pre-alpha quality product on that time.
I believe that now it's more mature but even so without things like Flex TLF
support I wouldn't even take a look and probably we will never get this kind
of specific features.

If I was you, I would take a look on Apache Royale and invest a few time to
try to port the code (at least you will know if this is an option to
consider or not).

Than you have the AIR option that it's a guarantee low friction porting
option, however it's a change of paradigma (desktop vs web).
I strongly recommend a "click once"/"auto-update" or what ever you would
like to call, option.
For this, I designed mysef an auto-update mechanism compatible with Windows
and macOS available on Github with MIT license.



--
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Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-04 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Michelle,

maybe one more thing that you should know is about the MX and SPARK
emulation effort. Alex and others and working in Royale in emulate the
MX/SPARK Apis and components, so people that wants to migrate from Flex to
Royale (before known as FlexJS) can do it more quickly

The work is still in progress, but many people could still compile his code
agains that code, although many of the components still doesn't show on
screen, and that will come hopefully soon. You (and others) are welcome to
contribute and help in that effort.

To know more about Apache Royale visit our webstite:
https://royale.apache.org, and follow us on twitter, facebook, linkedIn
and/our Google plus

thanks

Carlos





El jue., 1 nov. 2018 a las 19:36, Alex Harui ()
escribió:

> Hi Michelle,
>
> FlexJS became the Apache Royale project about a year ago.  I encourage you
> to find out more about FlexJS/Royale on the Royale mailing list (
> d...@royale.apache.org).
>
> It isn't just IE and Edge.  Just about every popular browser will turn off
> Flash by the end of 2020.  Of course, I'm biased towards Royale since
> that's what I spend my day working on, but I think the safest choice is to
> choose an open-source development environment like Royale.  That way you
> are free from corporate decisions about product futures.  No corporation
> controls Apache projects like Royale, and users are encouraged to become
> contributors so that you or other people like you can help cut releases,
> fix bugs, create new features, etc.  That way, you ensure that you have
> more control over the future.
>
> So far, I've heard the following options:
>
> 1) Apache Royale
> 2) Adobe AIR
> 3) Extended IE support
> 4) Custom Browser.
>
> Depending on resources and timeframes, Adobe AIR might make sense if you
> are ok changing your deployment model.  All future updates have to be
> "installed" or your AIR app has to be a "shell" that downloads the rest of
> the app.  Converting a Flash Browser app to AIR might be less work if there
> is a lot of Flash animation/timeline content.  Royale doesn't have any
> replacement for frame-based SWF animations.  If you know that browser video
> quality is insufficient, you might also choose AIR video.  You also need to
> be aware of subtle differences between AIR and Flash around security,
> ExternalInterface, and some other APIs.  On the other hand, having access
> to the file system might be a benefit.
>
> If you control what browser your users use, I've heard that IE will have
> extended support for Flash, but I think there is an end date for that
> eventually.
>
> I've also heard that some folks are trying to create browsers that will
> host the Flash plugin.
>
> Anyway, I hope to see you on the Royale lists.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 11/1/18, 3:00 AM, "michelle_s...@tzuchi.com.tw" <
> michelle_s...@tzuchi.com.tw> wrote:
>
> Hi, good day!
>
> We have a very large and complex healthcare information system
> where its front-end is written in Flex
> (the Flex SDK we are currently using is FlexSDK416).
>
> We are very concerned about the future of the browser support
> particularly Internet Explorer & Edge
> for our Flex applicaton.
>
> If Internet Explorer & Edge will not be supporting Flex anymore
> starting
> next year,
> how and to what technology should we migrate our Flex application?
> Should we use AIR, FlexJS or which one is appropriate?
> I would like to have your professional advise on this matter as you
> are
> the experts on Flex.
>
> I would greatly appreciate your response on this matter.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Michelle
> Hualien, Taiwan
> Tzu Chi Medical Foundation
>
>

-- 
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira


Re: Question on Migrating from Flex to FlexJS

2018-11-01 Thread Alex Harui
Hi Michelle,

FlexJS became the Apache Royale project about a year ago.  I encourage you to 
find out more about FlexJS/Royale on the Royale mailing list 
(d...@royale.apache.org).

It isn't just IE and Edge.  Just about every popular browser will turn off 
Flash by the end of 2020.  Of course, I'm biased towards Royale since that's 
what I spend my day working on, but I think the safest choice is to choose an 
open-source development environment like Royale.  That way you are free from 
corporate decisions about product futures.  No corporation controls Apache 
projects like Royale, and users are encouraged to become contributors so that 
you or other people like you can help cut releases, fix bugs, create new 
features, etc.  That way, you ensure that you have more control over the future.

So far, I've heard the following options:

1) Apache Royale
2) Adobe AIR
3) Extended IE support
4) Custom Browser.

Depending on resources and timeframes, Adobe AIR might make sense if you are ok 
changing your deployment model.  All future updates have to be "installed" or 
your AIR app has to be a "shell" that downloads the rest of the app.  
Converting a Flash Browser app to AIR might be less work if there is a lot of 
Flash animation/timeline content.  Royale doesn't have any replacement for 
frame-based SWF animations.  If you know that browser video quality is 
insufficient, you might also choose AIR video.  You also need to be aware of 
subtle differences between AIR and Flash around security, ExternalInterface, 
and some other APIs.  On the other hand, having access to the file system might 
be a benefit.

If you control what browser your users use, I've heard that IE will have 
extended support for Flash, but I think there is an end date for that 
eventually.

I've also heard that some folks are trying to create browsers that will host 
the Flash plugin.

Anyway, I hope to see you on the Royale lists.

-Alex

On 11/1/18, 3:00 AM, "michelle_s...@tzuchi.com.tw" 
 wrote:

Hi, good day!

We have a very large and complex healthcare information system 
where its front-end is written in Flex 
(the Flex SDK we are currently using is FlexSDK416).

We are very concerned about the future of the browser support 
particularly Internet Explorer & Edge 
for our Flex applicaton.

If Internet Explorer & Edge will not be supporting Flex anymore starting 
next year,
how and to what technology should we migrate our Flex application?
Should we use AIR, FlexJS or which one is appropriate?
I would like to have your professional advise on this matter as you are 
the experts on Flex.

I would greatly appreciate your response on this matter.

Thanks and regards,
Michelle
Hualien, Taiwan
Tzu Chi Medical Foundation