Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
-1 I agree with Jacopo in the sense that this vote hasnt been fully thought out, and also that there are multiple time limit votes all happening at the same time with no full discussion on the pros and cons of each theme. Our themes were added for a reason, some of them maybe only visual but

Re: [VOTE] Put the Tomahawk theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
-1 I don't like the Tomahawk theme, I think it is too dark but Taher has asked a good question. This is our default theme, this vote is about removing it but with no option given for an alternative to replace it. That would have come up in a pre-vote discussion. I think this vote and the

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Michael Brohl
I think this 2nd +1 vote is invalid, you already have voted on this on 23.08.16 14:04. If this is a misunderstanding by me, I apologize. Regards, Michael Am 24.09.16 um 13:48 schrieb Pierre Smits: +1 There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on whether to remove or keep

Re: Commit template, more flexibility [was Re: Put "Reverts" in the commit template?]

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
Hi All The initiative to setup a unified commit message was to help reduce the workload Michael has to do each month to compile the blog. We are a community and we want to work together and help each other. All the time we try very hard to reach consensus but sometimes that isn't possible, so

Re: Commit template, more flexibility [was Re: Put "Reverts" in the commit template?]

2016-09-24 Thread Pierre Smits
Yes, you have to give to get. In this case give up the viewpoint and get the compromise. Unfortunately, that goes for *everybody*, not just the one, as a compromise is something everybody can live with. If only viewpoints are brought forward, the only thing we can say is: 'we agree to disagree'.

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Pierre Smits
I can see that too. Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Sharan Foga wrote: > I can see two +1 votes from you Pierre on this thread.

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Emeral theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Then you should have chimed in in "Preliminary question about themes before possible votes" thread and OFBIZ-8293 like others did You can still propose something else, but this vote is already running Jacques Le 24/09/2016 à 08:03, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : -1 I cannot agree without first

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Ruby theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
-1 Same comment: Thanks Nicolas for your comment about being able to merge the colours into one theme. This is exactly the sort of thing that would have come out in a discussion rather than launching a vote for each colour option of this theme. Thanks Sharan On 2016-09-24 07:18 (+0200),

Re: [VOTE] Put the bizzness time theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
+1 Bizzess Time is another theme I don't like visually because the mixed navigation and display. Once again I'm voting hoping that it isn't fulfilling a specific function. My concern still stands that this vote may be focussing on the visual aspects of the theme rather than the technical

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
-1 mostly because from what I understand it is the one that provides the best support for RTL languages. Jacopo PS: Jacques' decision to proceed with the individual votes without a previous decision on how many themes to keep is in my opinion wrong and seems to contradict even his own words on

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Emeral theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
-1 Your preliminary discussion was started during 21st September and now it's the 24th September and we have multiple time limit votes in progress. Not everyone is available to comment immediately on a discussion which is why it is always good to leave a reasonable about of time for people to

Re: Groovy Style guide

2016-09-24 Thread Jacques Le Roux
You could have said "I'm Nicolas Malin and I approve this message" :) Jacques Le 24/09/2016 à 07:15, Nicolas Malin a écrit : Oups, response to bad thread :) Yes I approve to use a coding groovy convention that come from a groovy community Nicolas Le 23/09/2016 à 06:38, Jacques Le Roux a

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Anyway they count only at +1, not +2 Jacques Le 24/09/2016 à 14:45, Sharan Foga a écrit : I can see two +1 votes from you Pierre on this thread. On 24/09/16 14:08, Pierre Smits wrote: It is a misunderstanding by you! Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Emeral theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
-1 I cannot agree without first understanding the architectural design and implications of how all rainbow themes are designed and connected. This vote does not seem to be thoroughly thought out in terms of the architectural implications and whether alternatives to deletion (merging, sub-theming)

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Ruby theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
-1 I cannot agree without first understanding the architectural design and implications of how all rainbow themes are designed and connected. This vote does not seem to be thoroughly thought out in terms of the architectural implications and whether alternatives to deletion (merging, sub-theming)

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Saphir theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
-1 I cannot agree without first understanding the architectural design and implications of how all rainbow themes are designed and connected. This vote does not seem to be thoroughly thought out in terms of the architectural implications and whether alternatives to deletion (merging, sub-theming)

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Amber theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
-1 I cannot agree without first understanding the architectural design and implications of how all rainbow themes are designed and connected. This vote does not seem to be thoroughly thought out in terms of the architectural implications and whether alternatives to deletion (merging, sub-theming)

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Pierre Smits
+1 There have been plenty of opportunities to start discussions on whether to remove or keep themes each day for everyone participating in this project before the vote was called. In footbal there is a saying: 'If the ball is in front of you, you have the opportunity to kick it. But don't

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Saphir theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
-1 Nicolas mentioned in the other Rainbow Stone vote threads about being able to merge the colours into one theme. This is exactly the sort of thing that would have come out in discussion rather than launching a vote for each colour option of this theme. Thanks Sharan On 2016-09-23 13:11

Re: [VOTE] Put the Dropping Crumbs theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
+1 Dropping Crumbs is a theme I don't like because some things are not displayed properly so I'm voting hoping that it isn't fulfilling a specific function. I'd still like to highlight my concern that this vote may be focussing on the visual aspects of the theme rather than the technical

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Emeral theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
Your initiative, your headache! I expect that if you are taking ownership of something then you're doing all the thinking and planning regardless of whether I participate or not. In case of the themes I did not have time to go through the source code and evaluate in enough detail. When it comes

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
I can see two +1 votes from you Pierre on this thread. On 24/09/16 14:08, Pierre Smits wrote: It is a misunderstanding by you! Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Sat,

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Saphir theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread gil portenseigne
-1 Le 23/09/2016 à 13:11, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Do you want to put the Rainbow Stone - Saphir theme in Attic? Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information +1 (means put the theme in Attic) 0 (means vote abstention) -1 (means don't put the theme

Re: [VOTE] Put the Dropping Crumbs theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread gil portenseigne
+1 Le 23/09/2016 à 13:11, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Do you want to put the Dropping Crumbs theme in Attic? Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information +1 (means put the theme in Attic) 0 (means vote abstention) -1 (means don't put the theme in

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Emeral theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread gil portenseigne
-1 Le 23/09/2016 à 13:12, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Do you want to put the Rainbow Stone - Emeral theme in Attic? Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information +1 (means put the theme in Attic) 0 (means vote abstention) -1 (means don't put the

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread gil portenseigne
-1 Le 23/09/2016 à 14:04, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Do you want to put the Flatgrey theme in Attic? Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information +1 (means put the theme in Attic) 0 (means vote abstention) -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)

Re: [VOTE] Put the bizzness time theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread gil portenseigne
+1 Le 23/09/2016 à 13:11, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Do you want to put the bizzness time theme in Attic? Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information +1 (means put the theme in Attic) 0 (means vote abstention) -1 (means don't put the theme in

Re: [VOTE] Put the BlueLight theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread gil portenseigne
+1 Le 23/09/2016 à 13:11, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Do you want to put the BlueLight theme in Attic? Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information +1 (means put the theme in Attic) 0 (means vote abstention) -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Amber theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
-1 Thanks Nicolas for your comment about being able to merge the colours into one theme. This is exactly the sort of thing that would have come out in a discussion rather than launching a vote for each colour option of this theme. Thanks Sharan On 2016-09-24 07:19 (+0200), Nicolas Malin

Re: [VOTE] Put the BlueLight theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Sharan Foga
-1 Bluelight is a theme I like visually because it is light. I don't know whether it was added to provide some functionality the other themes don't so I'd be in favour of discussing the pros and cons before voting to totally remove it. (As an aside – couldn't the themes become plug ins?

Re: Use ecomseo on demo rather than ecommerce

2016-09-24 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Thanks for your opinion Jacques Le 24/09/2016 à 06:20, Scott Gray a écrit : Of course there are real world users, did you see the references? Yes I saw them, what does that have to do with my last email? Do we have a such document for ecommerce? No, so It's not a good argument to not

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Amber theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread gil portenseigne
-1 Le 23/09/2016 à 13:11, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Do you want to put the Rainbow Stone - Amber theme in Attic? Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information +1 (means put the theme in Attic) 0 (means vote abstention) -1 (means don't put the theme

Re: [VOTE] Put the Rainbow Stone - Ruby theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread gil portenseigne
-1 Le 23/09/2016 à 13:11, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Do you want to put the Rainbow Stone - Ruby theme in Attic? Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information +1 (means put the theme in Attic) 0 (means vote abstention) -1 (means don't put the theme

Re: [VOTE] Put the Tomahawk theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread gil portenseigne
-1 Le 23/09/2016 à 13:11, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Do you want to put the Tomahawk theme in Attic? Please refer to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-8293 for more information +1 (means put the theme in Attic) 0 (means vote abstention) -1 (means don't put the theme in Attic)

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Pierre Smits
It is a misunderstanding by you! Best regards, Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Michael Brohl wrote: > I think this 2nd +1

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Pierre Smits
Last vote counts? Pierre Smits ORRTIZ.COM OFBiz based solutions & services OFBiz Extensions Marketplace http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > Anyway they count only at +1, not +2 > >

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Jacques Le Roux
I don't remember any rules about that, but that makes sense to me, you can make an error, or even change your mind. You have 72 hours to vote not less than a 15 minutes as if you were voting for a politician (I hope someone will contradict me again here, just in order to fulfil the

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Some object about this vote. I should have been more precise. I let 3 days between asking for "your help deciding on this" in the "Preliminary question about themes before possible votes" thread. I thought it was enough for suggesting ideas on how to vote. Apart Julien's, I got none. While I

Re: [VOTE] Put the Flatgrey theme in Attic

2016-09-24 Thread Scott Gray
A couple of things: - Starting 9 x 72 hour votes at the start of a weekend doesn't give people much time if they aren't familiar with the themes and had plans for the weekend. If there's no rush then give it a week IMO. - I think you rely on lazy consensus too much. Not many contributors have as

Re: Wiki page for the "monthly Jira issues list" creation in the blog

2016-09-24 Thread Scott Gray
Calm down Jacques, I'm sure Michael will respond when he has a chance. This isn't a big deal and I don't see why there would be any rush to fill your request. Regards Scott On 23 September 2016 at 21:38, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > After 4 days clearly nobody cares.

Re: Wiki page for the "monthly Jira issues list" creation in the blog

2016-09-24 Thread Scott Gray
As an aside to this, and also what I mentioned in the flat grey vote thread: > I think you rely on lazy consensus too much. Not many contributors have > as much time as you to give to the project and formulating an argument > against something (and then continuing the discussion) can take up a