whitelist_* in default ruleset considered harmful (was Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf)

2017-11-30 Thread Bill Cole
TL;DR: These need to be def_whitelist_auth NOT whitelist_auth as you have been committing them. See the earlier exchange between myself and RW, who had assumed this was only about def_whitelist_auth entries. Precisely because most users will never bother managing a large number of local

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-28 Thread RW
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 09:18:50 -0500 Bill Cole wrote: > Well, the actual *COMMIT TO TRUNK* > (http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1816394=rev) uses > whitelist_auth for 6 entities, which IMHO is a terrible idea for the > reasons I noted in my prior message. The original post talked about extending

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-28 Thread Bill Cole
On 27 Nov 2017, at 10:22 (-0500), RW wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:54:12 -0500 Bill Cole wrote: Any whitelisting in the default ruleset should carry MUCH lower weight than local explicit whitelisting ... NO sender should get a default -100 just because we (SA maintainers) think they

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-27 Thread RW
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:54:12 -0500 Bill Cole wrote: > Any whitelisting in the default ruleset should carry MUCH lower > weight than local explicit whitelisting ... NO sender should get a > default -100 just because we (SA maintainers) think they generally > mean well. This isn't new

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-27 Thread Markus Clardy
That was discussed in a previous topic on this mailing list, but it can be done with: askdns DNSWL_DWL_HI _DKIMDOMAIN_.dwl.dnswl.org A /^127\.\d+\.\d+\.3/ tflags DNSWL_DWL_HI nice net describe DNSWL_DWL_HI dwl.dnswl.org high trust score DNSWL_DWL_HI -3 askdns DNSWL_DWL_MED

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-26 Thread John Wilcock
My SA platform has very good results with thousands of whitelist_auth entries but 98% of the SA users are not going to know to create/manage these entries themselves. Combined with other rules this also helps with spoofing legit senders like the IRS, Bank of America, etc. I am not suggesting we

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-26 Thread Bill Cole
On 26 Nov 2017, at 20:00 (-0500), John Hardin wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Axb wrote: On 11/26/2017 06:04 PM, Dave Jones wrote: The current 60_whitelist_spf.cf is 11 years old.  What does everyone think about starting a 60_whitelist_auth.cf and extending this list to known good senders

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-26 Thread John Hardin
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017, Axb wrote: On 11/26/2017 06:04 PM, Dave Jones wrote: The current 60_whitelist_spf.cf is 11 years old.  What does everyone think about starting a 60_whitelist_auth.cf and extending this list to known good senders like *@alertsp.chase.com and *@email.dropboxmail.com? My

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-26 Thread Matthias Leisi
> My SA platform has very good results with thousands of whitelist_auth entries > but 98% of the SA users are not going to know to create/manage these entries > themselves. Combined with other rules this also helps with spoofing legit > senders like the IRS, Bank of America, etc. I am not

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-26 Thread Axb
On 11/26/2017 06:04 PM, Dave Jones wrote: The current 60_whitelist_spf.cf is 11 years old.  What does everyone think about starting a 60_whitelist_auth.cf and extending this list to known good senders like *@alertsp.chase.com and *@email.dropboxmail.com? My SA platform has very good results

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-26 Thread Axb
On 11/26/2017 06:04 PM, Dave Jones wrote: The current 60_whitelist_spf.cf is 11 years old.  What does everyone think about starting a 60_whitelist_auth.cf and extending this list to known good senders like *@alertsp.chase.com and *@email.dropboxmail.com? My SA platform has very good results

Re: Extending the entries in 60_whitelist_spf.cf

2017-11-26 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 11/26/2017 12:04 PM, Dave Jones wrote: The current 60_whitelist_spf.cf is 11 years old.  What does everyone think about starting a 60_whitelist_auth.cf and extending this list to known good senders like *@alertsp.chase.com and *@email.dropboxmail.com? My SA platform has very good results