Re: EPEL Clang package doesn't work on Amazon Linux

2014-04-22 Thread Dave Johansen
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Tyler Brock tyler.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Dave, hope you had a nice weekend. Any update on the rpms? Repos for x86 32-bit and 64-bit can be found at: http://daveisfera.fedorapeople.org/yum/llvm-3.4/ ___

Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-22)

2014-04-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
WG meeting will be at 16:00 UTC, 17:00 Central Europe, 12:00 (noon) Boston, 9:00 San Francisco, 1:00 Tokyo in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. == Topic == Comments to topics from lists: * Allow to delete builds/coprs from playground?

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Florian Weimer
On 04/16/2014 06:46 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: I understand the pull vs push distinction ... I'm just not clear why pull would ever be a model you'd want to use. (vs something like a local cockpit agent.) Isn't remote Windows event logging pull-only (unless you somehow gate it to syslog)?

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Christian Schaller
- Original Message - From: Liam l...@fightingcrane.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:10:13 PM Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall On Apr 21, 2014 4:32 AM, drago01

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Cockpit Management Console

2014-04-22 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/15/2014 11:29 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: ...snip... Special Requests: Cockpit would like to request an additional 2-4 weeks

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL

2014-04-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 04/20/2014 06:46 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Lukas Zapletal wrote: This is a great change that actually allows other teams that heavily relies on Fedoras to put their software on hold for two Fedora releases. And that's a good thing how? Stale software relying on old compatibility libraries is

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 04/21/2014 12:22 AM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: * there are network services enabled by default Again that's a bug and a viloation of the guidelines. Which services are you talking about? Please file bugs. * avahi is one

Re: [GSoC 2014] Welcome to our GSoC students -- Perfect 10 !

2014-04-22 Thread Achilleas Pipinellis
On 04/21/2014 10:46 PM, Haïkel Guémar wrote: Hi, Google just published the list of the accepted GSoC proposals: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2014 We -the GSoC SIG- had a hard time to trim the list of proposals down to 10 slots and we're very pleased to see

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread drago01
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Thomas Woerner twoer...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/21/2014 12:22 AM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: * there are network services enabled by default Again that's a bug and a viloation of the

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Christian Schaller
- Original Message - From: Thomas Woerner twoer...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:23:46 AM Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall On 04/21/2014 12:22 AM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:02 AM,

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Nikos Roussos
On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 08:36 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: The language in this Foundation is sometimes dangerously unclear. For example, it pretty much explicitly forbids the use of non-free components in the creation of Fedora (sorry, folks: you can't use Photoshop to create your package

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Christian Schaller
- Original Message - From: Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org There is also a third group, somewhere in between, who believe that's ok to ship Free Software that connects and interops with proprietary services (gtalk, aws, etc), but it's not ok to ship proprietary software,

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Nikos Roussos
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 06:46 -0400, Christian Schaller wrote: - Original Message - From: Nikos Roussos comzer...@fedoraproject.org There is also a third group, somewhere in between, who believe that's ok to ship Free Software that connects and interops with proprietary services

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2014 05:43 AM, Christian Schaller wrote: - Original Message - From: Thomas Woerner twoer...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:23:46 AM Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change:

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/21/2014 06:23 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 04/21/2014 01:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 04/21/2014 01:07 PM, Haïkel Guémar wrote: We should think on how we could improve collaboration with third-party repos, fedmsg/copr might be

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/22/2014 11:43 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I'd like to summon Máirín Duffy into this conversation here, if she's willing. She's done a fair amount of research into exactly how many and what kind of questions are reasonable to ask a user in startup before scaring them off or confusing

Re: [GSoC 2014] Welcome to our GSoC students -- Perfect 10 !

2014-04-22 Thread Sarup Banskota
Yay! Spamming the list for once, but indeed - congrats to everyone! This time around, we should plan a meeting on irc sometime :-) On Apr 22, 2014 1:16 AM, Haïkel Guémar hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hi, Google just published the list of the accepted GSoC proposals:

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/21/2014 05:31 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 21 April 2014 11:19, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com mailto:sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/21/2014 01:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2014 07:40 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 04/22/2014 11:43 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: I'd like to summon Máirín Duffy into this conversation here, if she's willing. She's done a fair amount of research into exactly how many and

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Christian Schaller
- Original Message - From: Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 1:40:05 PM Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2014 05:43

Fedora 20 Puppet update and SELinux policy

2014-04-22 Thread Lukas Zapletal
Hello, we are rolling out update of Puppet to 3.4.3 in Fedora 20 and Rawhide that adds one important change. We have found that puppet master was running unconfined, therefore the Puppet SELinux policy was not effective in Fedoras. The puppet package update fixes one little issue (missing

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Máirín Duffy
Hi folks, On 04/22/2014 07:40 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Is it safe to assume that research is backup by public usability tests? On 04/22/2014 07:55 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: When I invoke Máirín, I usually find it safe to make that assumption, but I'll let her speak for herself on

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 06:34 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 16.04.14 12:46, Bill Nottingham (nott...@splat.cc) wrote: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) said: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 04:20:16PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com)

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2014 08:55 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi folks, On 04/22/2014 07:40 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Is it safe to assume that research is backup by public usability tests? On 04/22/2014 07:55 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: When I invoke

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - Le lundi 21 avril 2014 à 11:17 -0400, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : I'm trying to assert with this proposal that the best way for us to advance free and open source software is to continue shipping only open-source software, while making it easy for users to

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Pete Travis
On Apr 22, 2014 3:05 AM, Christian Schaller cscha...@redhat.com wrote: ... As a sidenote, there has been a lot of discussions on this an other Fedora lists over the last few Months where people have loudly come out against what they see as infringements on the Freedom part of the four F's.

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread H . Guémar
2014-04-22 16:10 GMT+02:00 Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org: To be honest, I'm fairly uncomfortable discussing this without Fedora Legal weighing in. I don't see any problem with re-visiting the decisions made along this path, but I also am pretty confident the folks who decided things

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Máirín Duffy
On 04/22/2014 09:13 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: So one of the key questions here is whether the current policy on essentially hiding (protecting?) the user from these external software sources is truly in keeping with our Foundations, Mission and general project health. To be honest, I'm

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Máirín Duffy
Hi, On 04/22/2014 10:14 AM, H. Guémar wrote: Well, we may end up lawyered by Legal, but I think it's good we try to realign ourselves and clear up few misunderstandings. How do you propose we do that? ~m -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 06:01:31AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Note that it should be relatively straight-forward to implement a generator (even in shell...) that generates native systemd-networkd configuration snippets from ifcfg files at runtime (or upgrade-time), similar to how we

rawhide report: 20140422 changes

2014-04-22 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Broken deps for i386 -- [MegaMek] MegaMek-0.30.11-13.fc20.i686 requires java-gcj-compat MegaMek-0.30.11-13.fc20.i686 requires java-gcj-compat [PyKDE] PyKDE-3.16.6-14.fc20.i686 requires sip-api(10) = 0:10.0 [apper]

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Cockpit Management Console

2014-04-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 05:06:33AM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: Cutting one week from Alpha/Beta cycle is doable but only when it's really, really needed. We did this voodoo magic a few times to avoid Christmas etc. and believe me - that note in the Task Juggler source for schedule - never,

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 06:34:48AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Pull is the only model that scales, since the centralized log infrastructure can schedule when it pulls from where and thus do this according to available resources. THe push model is prone to logging bursts overwhelming log

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 05:50:20PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Board seats should absolutely keep in mind various aspects of the entire project, but we need less partisanship and more open-mindedness at this level. We need people willing to work together to find out what is best for the Project

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2014 11:17 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 05:50:20PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Board seats should absolutely keep in mind various aspects of the entire project, but we need less partisanship and more open-mindedness at

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/22/2014 08:55 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: Some of the choices Przemek suggested don't make sense depending on the context. E.g., full functionality vs. small size / speed I think has a different meaning depending on whether you have a workstation target (which, either way, will include X) or

Friends foundation [was Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall]

2014-04-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 05:05:24AM -0400, Christian Schaller wrote: As a sidenote, there has been a lot of discussions on this an other Fedora lists over the last few Months where people have loudly come out against what they see as infringements on the Freedom part of the four F's. Having

Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-22)

2014-04-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-04-22) Meeting started by mmaslano at 15:01:39 UTC. The full logs are available at

Is /bin/bash broken in the buildroot right now?

2014-04-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/work/tasks/5520/6765520/root.log All the scriptlets are failing like this: DEBUG util.py:281: /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory DEBUG util.py:281: error:

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-21 16:18 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:30:48PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Writing too fast... you were actually arguing for a situation 2 used by default + 1 used but not used by default I think. In that case your argument is right

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 05:50:20PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Board seats should absolutely keep in mind various aspects of the entire project, but we need less partisanship and more open-mindedness at this level.

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-20 22:56 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net: than just install one of the already available by default unsecure operating systems instead damage Linux and bring it in the same bad shape Note that there *aren't* any major available by default unsecure operating systems

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-20 23:20 GMT+02:00 Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:44:58PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: We don't, actually. *Only* applications running in a session of a member of the wheel group would have that right, and those applications are pretty much

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com: 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than prevention. This is *only* true for large managed enterprises, where recovery is possible in the first place (how many people don't have good backups?), and prevention is

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.04.2014 19:01, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com mailto:sgall...@redhat.com: 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than prevention. This is /only/ true for large managed enterprises, where recovery is possible in

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com: A good protocol would allow to send a first small packet that establish a connection and a reply that can push back on the client w/o requiring huge bandwidth to be spent. Isn't that an inherent capability of TCP? If it is not

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 April 2014 05:40, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Since you missed the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYGgVUYjXQ8 I too recommend that everyone gives it a look. It is very insightful and helpful in understanding what

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Russell Doty
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com: 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than prevention. This is only true for large managed enterprises, where recovery is possible in the first place (how

Re: Is /bin/bash broken in the buildroot right now?

2014-04-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
This is repeatable, and it's not just me that's reporting it. So far it only happens on i686 however. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-df lists disk usage of guests

Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

2014-04-22 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/21/2014 03:44 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Would it make sense to audit all spec files to look for instances of 'systemctl.*enable'? I'm attaching the hits for that pattern on the actual RPM scripts in Fedora

Re: Fedora 20 Puppet update and SELinux policy

2014-04-22 Thread John . Florian
From: l...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: 04/22/2014 08:47 Hello, we are rolling out update of Puppet to 3.4.3 in Fedora 20 and Rawhide that adds one important change. We have found that puppet master was running unconfined, therefore the Puppet SELinux policy was

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 April 2014 05:53, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/21/2014 05:31 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 21 April 2014 11:19, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com mailto:sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP

Re: Is /bin/bash broken in the buildroot right now?

2014-04-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
The issue appears to be varnish-libs-devel over-providing various things (pkg-config, env). Kevin Fenzi fixed it -- thanks! Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-builder

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:04 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com: A good protocol would allow to send a first small packet that establish a connection and a reply that can push back on the client w/o requiring huge bandwidth to be spent.

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 13:22 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com: 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than prevention. This is only true for large managed

Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

2014-04-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 10:33:12 -0700 Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/21/2014 03:44 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Would it make sense to audit all spec files to look for instances of

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-21 17:56 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen spa...@fedoraproject.org: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: ...I'd like to suggest a fifth Foundation, one to ultimately supersede all the rest: Functional. I think anytime anyone suggests a new foundation

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-21 19:07 GMT+02:00 Haïkel Guémar hgue...@fedoraproject.org: Le 21/04/2014 18:37, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : I spoke too strongly there, I think. We do however give a *very* strong impression that using non-FOSS solutions for anything at all is unwelcome at best. Consider the recent

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Russell Doty
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:23 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 13:22 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com: 3) Recovery and auditing are more important than

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-21 19:37 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen spa...@fedoraproject.org: And how are these contributors going to contribute to their proprietary solutions that we now provide for them? They aren't; isn't that a *benefit* for the open solutions? How do we support something that is simply

Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
Hi all- I propose a mass bug against packages that install services and enable them without using the preset mechanism. Some of these can be security issues if they get installed as dependencies. As a related issue, it may pay to review the default presets. For example, rpcbind is enabled.

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-22 20:19 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:04 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com: A good protocol would allow to send a first small packet that establish a connection and a reply that can push back on

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Cockpit Management Console

2014-04-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: I think this definitely better way - not being as strict regarding deadlines for Cockpit and get some test coverage during later Test Day. I'd be fine with a later deadline for Cockpit if needed, especially since (from the feature page description)

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, 2014-04-22 20:50 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu: If your package has an exception from FESCo permitting it to enable itself, Note that many (most?) packages don't need an individual exception by FESCo: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Starting_services_by_default allows fairly

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:41 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:23 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 13:22 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 13:40 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com:

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL

2014-04-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Marcela Mašláňová (mmasl...@redhat.com) said: On 04/14/2014 10:17 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: = Proposed System Wide Change: Ruby193 in SCL = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby193_in_SCL Change owner(s): Marcela Mašláňová

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: AFAICS this discussion basically says applications can't depend on firewalld, therefore they can't use firewalld APIs, therefore they wouldn't know whether the firewall restircts them, therefore firewalld must be removed. The only given reason why the

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: Hello, 2014-04-22 20:50 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu: If your package has an exception from FESCo permitting it to enable itself, Note that many (most?) packages don't need an individual exception by FESCo:

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Russell Doty
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 15:04 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:41 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 14:23 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 13:22 -0400, Russell Doty wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22

Pkgdb2 making it to stg (pre-prod)

2014-04-22 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
Dear all, A while ago I introduced you the dev instance of pkgdb2. Since then, I have been working some more on it. I recently updated pgkdb-cli to work with the new API [1] as well as writing a python module for those that want to script against said API [2]. On March 10th, pkgdb2 made it to

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 08:33:55PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I find it difficult to believe that most users [don't have Flash installed]. AFAIK there is no data to say either way, and anecdotal evidence from around here isn't supportive.

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 20:58 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 20:19 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:04 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com: A good protocol would allow to send a first small

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-22 21:31 GMT+02:00 Eric H. Christensen spa...@fedoraproject.org: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 08:33:55PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I find it difficult to believe that most users [don't have Flash installed]. AFAIK there is no data to

Re: The Forgotten F: A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 15:31:11 -0400 Eric H. Christensen spa...@fedoraproject.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 08:33:55PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I find it difficult to believe that most users [don't have Flash installed]. AFAIK there

Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-22)

2014-04-22 Thread Matthew Miller
Reposted from http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-04-22/ Fedora is a big project, and it’s hard to follow it all. This series highlights interesting happenings in five different areas every week. It isn’t comprehensive news coverage — just quick summaries with links to

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/22/2014 06:50 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Hi all- I propose a mass bug against packages that install services and enable them without using the preset mechanism. Some of these can be security issues if they get installed as dependencies. I will revisit all of this once I run the

Re: Documentation and Docstring Format

2014-04-22 Thread Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
On 04/17/2014 12:09 PM, Tim Flink wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 10:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: https://pythonhosted.org/an_example_pypi_project/sphinx.html#auto-directives I'm not suggesting that we drop everything and fix all the docstrings right now but I am

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/22/2014 06:50 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Hi all- I propose a mass bug against packages that install services and enable them without using the preset mechanism. Some of these can be security issues if

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/22/2014 09:32 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/22/2014 06:50 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Hi all- I propose a mass bug against packages that install services and enable them without using the preset

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/22/2014 09:32 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/22/2014 06:50 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Hi all- I propose a

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/22/2014 10:14 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: I don't think that fixing the broken packages should need to wait for this migration to finish -- there is a security problem now, and it can be fixed now with local changes to the thirty-something affected packages. By all means provide

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/22/2014 10:14 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: I don't think that fixing the broken packages should need to wait for this migration to finish -- there is a security problem now, and it can be fixed now with

java-1.8.0-openjdk i686 and x86_64 rpms

2014-04-22 Thread Arun SAG
Hi, I see openjdk-1.8.0 got built and pushed as an update for fedora 19 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=505651 . In the past the i686 rpms of openjdk were pushed into release x86_64 repo of fedora 19

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-04-23)

2014-04-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-04-23 17:00 UTC' Links to all tickets

Re: Mass bug proposal: packages that auto-enable systemd units

2014-04-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:17:10PM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Examples of runs once then goes away services include iptables and udev. I removed udev from this paragraph on the wiki, since it's persistent and is a bad example. Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 06:34:48AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 16.04.14 12:46, Bill Nottingham (nott...@splat.cc) wrote: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) said: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 04:20:16PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jaroslav Reznik

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 03:32:26PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 20:58 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 20:19 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 19:04 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: 2014-04-22 15:10 GMT+02:00 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com:

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 22.04.14 09:10, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: I am pretty sure that a pull model should be the default for everything we do, and push only be done where realtimish behaviour is desired to do live debugging or suchlike. I am pretty sure the push model concept is one of the

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-22 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 05:36 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 22.04.14 09:10, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: I am pretty sure that a pull model should be the default for everything we do, and push only be done where realtimish behaviour is desired to do live debugging or

Tuned: Restoring saved settings not working

2014-04-22 Thread Preeti U Murthy
Hi everyone, I am using Fedora20. I wanted to add a new tuned profile and used the script plugin for the same. This essentially tweaks the cpu frequency governor and min/max frequency settings. When I opt out of this profile, I want the settings to be restored. I have included the restoration

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-22 Thread Liam
On Apr 22, 2014 5:09 AM, Christian Schaller cscha...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Liam l...@fightingcrane.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:10:13 PM Subject: Re: F21 System Wide

[pkgdb] perl-Module-Install-Repository ownership changed

2014-04-22 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-Module-Install-Repository in Fedora EPEL 7 is now owned by pghmcfc To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-Module-Install-Repository -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing

[pkgdb] perl-Module-Install-ReadmeMarkdownFromPod ownership changed

2014-04-22 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-Module-Install-ReadmeMarkdownFromPod in Fedora EPEL 7 is now owned by pghmcfc To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-Module-Install-ReadmeMarkdownFromPod -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

[pkgdb] perl-Module-Install-AuthorTests ownership changed

2014-04-22 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-Module-Install-AuthorTests in Fedora EPEL 7 is now owned by pghmcfc To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-Module-Install-AuthorTests -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing

[pkgdb] perl-Pod-Markdown ownership changed

2014-04-22 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-Pod-Markdown in Fedora EPEL 7 is now owned by pghmcfc To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-Pod-Markdown -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[Bug 1087903] perl-CSS-Minifier for EPEL 6 and 7

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1087903 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-CSS-Minifier-0.01-15.el6 has been submitted as an update for Fedora EPEL 6. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-CSS-Minifier-0.01-15.el6 -- You are

[Bug 1087904] perl-Text-Patch for EPEL 6 and 7

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1087904 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-Text-Patch-1.8-7.el6 has been submitted as an update for Fedora EPEL 6. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Text-Patch-1.8-7.el6 -- You are receiving this

Broken dependencies: perl-PDL

2014-04-22 Thread buildsys
perl-PDL has broken dependencies in the epel-7 tree: On ppc64: perl-PDL-2.7.0-2.el7.1.ppc64 requires perl(PDL::Slatec) Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[Bug 1089994] New: perl-Email-Address-1.903 is available

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1089994 Bug ID: 1089994 Summary: perl-Email-Address-1.903 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Email-Address Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1089998] New: perl-libwww-perl-6.06 is available

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1089998 Bug ID: 1089998 Summary: perl-libwww-perl-6.06 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-libwww-perl Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

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