Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 23:11 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 10:14 +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > On 04/06/20 16:30 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompilerPolicy > > [snip] > > > ==

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 10:14 +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 04/06/20 16:30 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompilerPolicy > [snip] > > == Documentation == > > Several years ago Red Hat's tools team championed for Fedora policy to > > strongly > > discourage

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 16:47 -0500, Steven Munroe wrote: > Jeff Law wrote: > > I'd respectfully disagree. There are certain features that GCC supports > > that Clang does not > > and vice-versa. But broadly they are comparable. What this means is some > > projects that are > > using bleeding edge

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:12 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > > >> # swapon > > >> NAME TYPE SIZE USED PRIO > > >> /dev/sda3 partition 16G 1.9G-2 > > >> /zram0partition 4G 4G 32767 > > >> > > >> This looks like I'm using

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/5/20 7:33 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:12 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: All three of those listed provide competing configurations for swap on zram. Just to make a fine point, zram is generic, it is not swap specific. It's just a compressed ram disk. Zswap is a different thing,

[389-devel] 389 DS nightly 2020-06-06 - 95% PASS

2020-06-05 Thread vashirov
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Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:12 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 6/5/20 6:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:47 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > >> > >> I installed the zram package and noticed the systemd-swap package, so > >> installed that also. > > > > There are conflicting

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/5/20 6:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:47 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: I installed the zram package and noticed the systemd-swap package, so installed that also. There are conflicting implementations: anaconda package provides zram.service zram package provides

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:47 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > I installed the zram package and noticed the systemd-swap package, so > installed that also. There are conflicting implementations: anaconda package provides zram.service zram package provides zram-swap.service systemd-swap package provides

[Bug 1837975] CVE-2020-10543 perl: heap-based buffer overflow in regular expression compiler leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1837975 --- Comment #15 from msidd...@redhat.com --- The fixes are now published in Perl versions 5.28.3 and 5.30.3. https://metacpan.org/pod/release/XSAWYERX/perl-5.28.3/pod/perldelta.pod

[Bug 1837988] CVE-2020-10878 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to integer overflow leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1837988 --- Comment #17 from msidd...@redhat.com --- The fixes are now published in Perl versions 5.28.3 and 5.30.3. https://metacpan.org/pod/release/XSAWYERX/perl-5.28.3/pod/perldelta.pod

[Bug 1838000] CVE-2020-12723 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to recursive S_study_chunk() calls leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1838000 --- Comment #14 from msidd...@redhat.com --- The fixes are now published in Perl versions 5.28.3 and 5.30.3. https://metacpan.org/pod/release/XSAWYERX/perl-5.28.3/pod/perldelta.pod

[Bug 1838000] CVE-2020-12723 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to recursive S_study_chunk() calls leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1838000 msidd...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Group|security, qe_staff | CC|

[Bug 1844664] CVE-2020-12723 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to recursive S_study_chunk() calls leads to DoS [fedora-all]

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844664 --- Comment #1 from msidd...@redhat.com --- Use the following template to for the 'fedpkg update' request to submit an update for this issue as it contains the top-level parent bug(s) as well as this tracking bug. This will ensure that all

[Bug 1844664] New: CVE-2020-12723 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to recursive S_study_chunk() calls leads to DoS [fedora-all]

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844664 Bug ID: 1844664 Summary: CVE-2020-12723 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to recursive S_study_chunk() calls leads to DoS

[Bug 1838000] CVE-2020-12723 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to recursive S_study_chunk() calls leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1838000 msidd...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Depends On||1844664 Referenced Bugs:

[Bug 1844664] CVE-2020-12723 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to recursive S_study_chunk() calls leads to DoS [fedora-all]

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844664 msidd...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||1838000 (CVE-2020-12723)

[Bug 1838000] CVE-2020-12723 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to recursive S_study_chunk() calls leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1838000 --- Comment #13 from msidd...@redhat.com --- Created perl tracking bugs for this issue: Affects: fedora-all [bug 1844664] -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

[Bug 1844663] New: CVE-2020-10878 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to integer overflow leads to DoS [fedora-all]

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844663 Bug ID: 1844663 Summary: CVE-2020-10878 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to integer overflow leads to DoS [fedora-all]

[Bug 1837988] CVE-2020-10878 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to integer overflow leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1837988 msidd...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Depends On||1844663 Referenced Bugs:

[Bug 1844663] CVE-2020-10878 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to integer overflow leads to DoS [fedora-all]

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844663 msidd...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||1837988 (CVE-2020-10878)

[Bug 1837988] CVE-2020-10878 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to integer overflow leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1837988 --- Comment #16 from msidd...@redhat.com --- Created perl tracking bugs for this issue: Affects: fedora-all [bug 1844663] -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

[Bug 1837988] CVE-2020-10878 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to integer overflow leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1837988 msidd...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Group|security, qe_staff | CC|

[Bug 1844663] CVE-2020-10878 perl: corruption of intermediate language state of compiled regular expression due to integer overflow leads to DoS [fedora-all]

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 1844662] CVE-2020-10543 perl: heap-based buffer overflow in regular expression compiler leads to DoS [fedora-all]

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844662 msidd...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||1837975 (CVE-2020-10543)

[Bug 1837975] CVE-2020-10543 perl: heap-based buffer overflow in regular expression compiler leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1837975 msidd...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Depends On||1844662 Referenced Bugs:

[Bug 1837975] CVE-2020-10543 perl: heap-based buffer overflow in regular expression compiler leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1837975 --- Comment #14 from msidd...@redhat.com --- Created perl tracking bugs for this issue: Affects: fedora-all [bug 1844662] -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

[Bug 1844662] New: CVE-2020-10543 perl: heap-based buffer overflow in regular expression compiler leads to DoS [fedora-all]

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844662 Bug ID: 1844662 Summary: CVE-2020-10543 perl: heap-based buffer overflow in regular expression compiler leads to DoS [fedora-all] Product: Fedora Version: 32 Status:

[Bug 1844662] CVE-2020-10543 perl: heap-based buffer overflow in regular expression compiler leads to DoS [fedora-all]

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844662 --- Comment #1 from msidd...@redhat.com --- Use the following template to for the 'fedpkg update' request to submit an update for this issue as it contains the top-level parent bug(s) as well as this tracking bug. This will ensure that all

[Bug 1837975] CVE-2020-10543 perl: heap-based buffer overflow in regular expression compiler leads to DoS

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1837975 msidd...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Group|security, qe_staff | CC|

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Steven Munroe wrote: > And while you allow that some packages have good reasons to stick with > GCC. Several others on this list have demanded that clang/LLVM replace > GCC as the default compiler. Just to clear up any potential misunderstandings: I do NOT support replacing GCC with Clang/LLVM

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > I don't think we should force Fedora Contributors (Packagers) to > change/fix their packages to compile with GCC if upstream decides, > supports and tests GCC. While that sentence parses, it fails the semantic analysis in my brain. ;-) I think that either the second

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
I installed the zram package and noticed the systemd-swap package, so installed that also. I adjusted the zram setting to 4G and reduced zswap a bit. I have no idea what that is doing, it doesn't seem to affect anything I can measure. The overall improvement in responsiveness is very nice.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Murphy wrote: > So yes it's well suited for these cases and the proposal does include > them. If they wish to be left out, that's up to those working groups. > It's possible to make sure /etc/systemd/zram-generator is not present. Also, why does this have to be a systemd generator? As a

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2020-06-08 Fedora QA Meeting

2020-06-05 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi folks! I'm proposing we cancel the QA meeting for Monday. I don't have anything urgent new this week, we have the CoreOS Test Day and the onboarding call coming up, but I don't think those need a meeting :) If you're aware of anything important we have to discuss this week, please do reply to

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Igor Raits wrote: > The change says it will use 50% of user’s RAM size, but not more than > 4G. But if the machine has only, say, 4 GiB of RAM, then the amount of extra RAM you get that way might not be sufficient to avoid OOM. > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 08:54 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Also

Re: Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1

2020-06-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, June 5, 2020 4:32:55 PM MST Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > On 6/4/20 1:36 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 9:05:22 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > >> UEFI Secure Boot doesn't prevent you from gaining access to firmware > >> setup. It can cause some

Re: Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1

2020-06-05 Thread Przemek Klosowski via devel
On 6/4/20 1:36 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 9:05:22 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: UEFI Secure Boot doesn't prevent you from gaining access to firmware setup. It can cause some options in firmware setup to become unavailable, e.g. compatibility support modules for

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
This laptop with 8GiB RAM is running two VMs at the same time: Windows 10 and Fedora Workstation 32. The host is Fedora Workstation 32. And there is only swap-on-zram sized to 50% RAM. At this compression ratio, it wouldn't ever end up using more than 25% RAM. I don't expect to hold a compression

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Steven Munroe
Jeff Law wrote: > I'd respectfully disagree. There are certain features that GCC supports that > Clang does not > and vice-versa. But broadly they are comparable. What this means is some > projects that are > using bleeding edge features may have a hard need for one toolchain or the > other.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 21:49 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 01:36:37PM -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > > > On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 16:30 -0400, Igor Raits wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > Sadly some upstreams insist on clang just because they like it more, > > > without any technical

Re: broken threads

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/5/20 2:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: This has been bothering me for a while, it occurs quite often for certain posters to the list, and since Jeff's replies reproduce this issue, let me ask: Why is the threading broken with Jeff's replies to this thread? Looking at the headers,

Re: subtle issue with systemd, dnf 'greedy' obsoletes behaviour, and multiple repos

2020-06-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Daniel Mach wrote: > This is nothing that can be fixed in DNF directly. > DNF passes packages to libsolv to resolve the transaction and it can > only cherry-pick packages for the transaction or set transaction flags. Yes, I also think that this needs to be fixed at the libsolv level. > If you

Re: subtle issue with systemd, dnf 'greedy' obsoletes behaviour, and multiple repos

2020-06-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Igor Raits wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 08:38 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> The correct solution is to actually fix DNF. It MUST NOT take >> Obsoletes from >> outdated versions of packages (i.e., when there is a newer version in >> the >> repository which removes the Obsoletes) into account. >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 09:59 +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 05/06/20 10:23 +0200, Tomáš Popela wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:56 AM Kevin Kofler > > wrote: > > > > > I am opposed to this change. Chromium and Firefox build fine with GCC. I > > > think that a distribution should be built

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Steve Grubb
On Friday, June 5, 2020 5:42:36 AM EDT Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 05. 06. 20 v 9:52 Kevin Kofler napsal(a): > > > Ben Cotton wrote: > > > >> == Summary == > >> Fedora has historically forced packages to build with GCC unless the > >> upstream project for the package only supported Clang/LLVM.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 03:03:18PM -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > Clang/LLVM and GCC are ABI compatible (with the known exception of the > alignment > issue for atomics) and one should be able to mix and match libraries compiled > by > one with code compiled by the other just fine. They are known not

broken threads

2020-06-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
This has been bothering me for a while, it occurs quite often for certain posters to the list, and since Jeff's replies reproduce this issue, let me ask: Why is the threading broken with Jeff's replies to this thread? Looking at the headers, there is no In-reply-to: header. Is this caused by the

Re: [HEADS UP] F33 Boost 1.73.0 rebuilds starting in a side tag

2020-06-05 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:58 PM Jonathan Wakely wrote: > boost-1.73.0-4.fc33 is building now: > > Building boost-1.73.0-4.fc33 for rawhide > Created task: 45462220 > Task info: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=45462220 > > I've also pushed one extra fix to freecad (just adding

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 4:15 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 3:50 PM Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 11:50 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:27 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:47 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > > > > wrote:

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Jeff, On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 10:07 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 15:56 +, devel-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org > wrote: > > One issue I am concerned about here is debuginfo quality. GCC produced > > pretty bad debuginfo with LTO in older versions. The EarlyDebug work > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 15:04 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 11:19 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:52:09AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > I do not see why we should allow yet another special case for Firefox, > > > nor > > > why we should let

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 19:31 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Ben Cotton: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompilerPolicy > > > > == Summary == > > Fedora has historically forced packages to build with GCC unless the > > upstream project for the package only supported Clang/LLVM.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 21:51 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 13:36 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > > > On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 16:30 -0400, Igor Raits wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > Sadly some upstreams insist on clang just because they like it > > > more, > > > without any technical reason.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 22:22 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 14:16 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 22:07 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > > > Just curious, how is it done in RHEL? Just some kind of CI that > > > analyses all builds or? > > So we have a step that sits

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 14:16 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 22:07 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > > > > Just curious, how is it done in RHEL? Just some kind of CI that > > analyses all builds or? > So we have a step that sits between the

Re: System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 16:09 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 13:58 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 21:18 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:11 PM Jeff Law wrote: > > > > Yes. I thought we bumped up that bug in the database so that it'd

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 22:07 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > > Just curious, how is it done in RHEL? Just some kind of CI that > analyses all builds or? So we have a step that sits between the build phase and when the resultant packages land in the distro which runs annocheck to validate options used,

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 3:50 PM Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 11:50 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:27 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:47 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > > > wrote: > > > > On 05.06.2020 09:52, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > > I

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:44 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > How in the world would I end up with 9G of memory? That's not how this tech > works, at all. Compression doesn't magically mean you get 2x the amount of > memory as you reserve for it. Compression rates even for plaintext aren't >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 12:58 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:39:05 PM MST Igor Raits wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 12:19 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:16:36 PM MST Chris Murphy

Re: System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 13:58 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 21:18 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:11 PM Jeff Law wrote: > > > Yes. I thought we bumped up that bug in the database so that it'd get > > > some > > > attention in the gcc-10 cycle. But I

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 13:53 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > > On 05/06/20 10:26 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > > ... > > > Well, upstreams are not necessarily enabling many security > > > features > > > or > > > optimizations. So you are effectively saying

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:38 PM Igor Raits wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 12:18 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: >I'm > > writing this > > email on a Lenovo ThinkPad X200 Tablet with 6 GiB of RAM, where > > giving half of > > my RAM to zram would kill my system's performance, if not quickly > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 6/5/20 9:43 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:38:01 PM MST Igor Raits wrote: On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 12:18 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:12:40 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM John M. Harris Jr <

Re: System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 21:18 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:11 PM Jeff Law wrote: > > Yes. I thought we bumped up that bug in the database so that it'd get some > > attention in the gcc-10 cycle. But I couldn't follow it myself, so I don't > > know > > what happened. >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:39:05 PM MST Igor Raits wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 12:19 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:16:36 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:10 PM John M. Harris Jr < > > > joh...@splentity.com> > > > wrote: > > > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
> On 05/06/20 10:26 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > ... > > Well, upstreams are not necessarily enabling many security features > > or > > optimizations. So you are effectively saying "upstream knows better" > > where I would have to disagree with you. > > Yes, this is a very good point. > > Many of

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 13:36 -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 16:30 -0400, Igor Raits wrote: > > ... > > > > Sadly some upstreams insist on clang just because they like it > > more, > > without any technical reason. The question that

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Dominique Martinet
Igor Raits wrote on Fri, Jun 05, 2020: > zramctl shows ALGORITHM > > NAME ALGORITHM DISKSIZE DATA COMPR TOTAL STREAMS MOUNTPOINT > /dev/zram0 lzo-rle 11.7G 4K 74B 12K 8 [SWAP] > > So it is lzo-rle by default, but it should be possible to override this > algorithm. There is

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 11:50 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:27 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:47 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > > wrote: > > > On 05.06.2020 09:52, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > I am opposed to this change. Chromium and Firefox build fine with

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 01:36:37PM -0600, Jeff Law wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 16:30 -0400, Igor Raits wrote: > > ... > > > > Sadly some upstreams insist on clang just because they like it more, > > without any technical reason. The question that comes to my mind: > > Should we still try to

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20200605.n.0 changes

2020-06-05 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20200604.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20200605.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:0 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 11 Dropped packages:1 Upgraded packages: 141 Downgraded packages: 1 Size of added packages: 6.35 MiB Size of dropped packages

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 09:52 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > ... > > Since I was not sure if clang is supported by Red Hat Toolchain team in > the same way as GCC, I've asked this in my reply. If they are supported > in the same manner

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:38:01 PM MST Igor Raits wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 12:18 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:12:40 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM John M. Harris Jr < > > > joh...@splentity.com> > > > wrote: > > > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 12:19 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:16:36 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:10 PM John M. Harris Jr < > > joh...@splentity.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 12:18 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:12:40 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM John M. Harris Jr < > > joh...@splentity.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
> On Thu, 2020-06-04 at 16:30 -0400, Igor Raits wrote: > ... > > Sadly some upstreams insist on clang just because they like it more, > without any technical reason. The question that comes to my mind: > Should we still try to convince upstreams to use GCC in such cases or > not? It happens

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/5/20 12:18 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: Well, that's for the GNOME stuff. This is a system-wide change proposal, is it not? Additionally, you could still be meeting that requirement here, as a new install with the same options selected, that is, to have a swap partition, would disable the

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:18 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:12:40 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM John M. Harris Jr > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 11:48:14 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Josh Stone
On 6/5/20 5:27 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: >> Note that having stuff mix compilers is also a bad idea because LTO is >> compatible across the two compilers. If you want to use LTO, you need >> to use the same compiler across the chain, or stuff will break. >> > Yay thinkos... I mean that LTO is *not*

Re: System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Dominique Martinet
Fabio Valentini wrote on Fri, Jun 05, 2020: > Sorry for being off-topic, but can you (Jeff) please not respond to > the mailing list digest and amend the Subject line manually? > I think it screws up the In-Reply-To (?) header in emails, so every > new email from you creates a new thread (for

[Bug 1844622] New: perl-DBD-Pg-3.12.3 is available

2020-06-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1844622 Bug ID: 1844622 Summary: perl-DBD-Pg-3.12.3 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-DBD-Pg Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:09 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > Most laptops today have UEFI Secure Boot enabled by default and > > therefore hibernation isn't possible. And even when the laptop doesn't > > have Secure Boot enabled, there's a forest of bugs. It works for some > > people and not

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:16:36 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:10 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:03:03 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > In discussions with both cloud and server folks, their use cases often > > > do not even

Re: System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:11 PM Jeff Law wrote: > Yes. I thought we bumped up that bug in the database so that it'd get some > attention in the gcc-10 cycle. But I couldn't follow it myself, so I don't > know > what happened. Sorry for being off-topic, but can you (Jeff) please not respond to

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:12:40 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 11:48:14 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:43 AM Michael Catanzaro > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:10 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:03:03 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > In discussions with both cloud and server folks, their use cases often > > do not even create disk-based swap at all. A small swap-on-zram > > provides all the benefits of

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Friday, June 5, 2020 11:48:14 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:43 AM Michael Catanzaro > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:52 am, Chris Murphy > > > wrote: > > > > > > > That is the plan,

Re: System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jeff Law
On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 20:51 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Jeff Law: > > > As we both know, GCC has had ABI bugs as well. Both compilers strive > > to be ABI compatible with each other and we should continue to work > > together to find and address such issues. SImilarly both compilers > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, June 5, 2020 12:03:03 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 11:47 AM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:54:37 PM MST Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > > > Also -1 to adding something to the core system that is written in a > > > language for

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > The *only* case where Secure Boot must be disabled for the proper > > functioning of a PC today is if you use the NVIDIA proprietary > > drivers, because nobody is helping RPM Fusion set up a mechanism to > > sign their driver and

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, June 5, 2020 11:48:14 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:43 AM Michael Catanzaro > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:52 am, Chris Murphy > > wrote: > > > > > That is the plan, otherwise the swap-on-zram device probably never > > > gets used. And then its

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 11:47 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:54:37 PM MST Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Also -1 to adding something to the core system that is written in a language > > for which we do not even have dynamic linking support. Or even real > > static linking

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:09 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > > > On 05.06.2020 12:50, Igor Raits wrote: > > > It does not work in some cases even today anyway. > > > > Okay, then the second point - zram will will cause a huge memory > > fragmentation and significantly decrease overall performance. > >

Re: [HEADS UP] F33 Boost 1.73.0 rebuilds starting in a side tag

2020-06-05 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 05/06/20 17:59 +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 05/06/20 17:42 +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 05/06/20 09:00 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: Next problem... /usr/include/boost/geometry/index/detail/rtree/node/variant_visitor.hpp:51:25: error: no matching function for call to

Re: devel Digest, Vol 196, Issue 58

2020-06-05 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jeff Law: > As we both know, GCC has had ABI bugs as well. Both compilers strive > to be ABI compatible with each other and we should continue to work > together to find and address such issues. SImilarly both compilers > are going to have codegen issues, or rejects-valid-code bugs. >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:43 AM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:52 am, Chris Murphy > wrote: > > That is the plan, otherwise the swap-on-zram device probably never > > gets used. And then its overhead, which is small but not zero, is just > > a waste. > > I thought the plan

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 05/06/20 20:30 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 13:25 -0400, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: On 6/5/20 12:31 PM, Jeff Law wrote: > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 16:23 +, > devel-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: > > Date: Fri, 5

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

2020-06-05 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 13:25 -0400, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: > On 6/5/20 12:31 PM, Jeff Law wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 16:23 +, > > devel-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:15:39 -0500 > > > From:

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