Re: Btrfs by default, the compression option

2020-07-09 Thread drago01
On Friday, July 10, 2020, Zachary Lym wrote: > > Yes, it's completely reasonable to not do it. It might seem like a big > > change on its own, but Btrfs has had native compression for 10+ years, > > and at least three years for most all of the workloads at Facebook. So > > it's quite safe. > >

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski via devel
On 7/9/20 10:46 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: "Secure Boot" doesn't make root non-uid 0, and can't keep root from controlling system devices, even uploading unsigned firmware to peripherals. While it's true that a completely secure software chain doesn't really exist yet, we are slowly going

[389-devel] 389 DS nightly 2020-07-10 - 95% PASS

2020-07-09 Thread vashirov
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/389ds/ci/nightly/2020/07/10/report-389-ds-base-1.4.4.4-20200709git318a3ce.fc32.x86_64.html ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/9/20 9:15 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > On 7/9/20 9:30 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: ... >>> This test is run constantly by us, specifically because it's the error >>> cases that get you.  But not for crash consistency reasons, because we're >>> solid there.  I run them to make sure I don't have

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Josef Bacik
On 7/9/20 9:30 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 7/9/20 8:22 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: On 7/9/20 7:23 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 7/9/20 4:27 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 7/9/20 3:32 PM, Davide Cavalca via devel wrote: ... As someone on one of the teams at FB that has to deal with that, I can assure

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/9/20 8:22 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > On 7/9/20 7:23 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> On 7/9/20 4:27 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >>> On 7/9/20 3:32 PM, Davide Cavalca via devel wrote: >> >> ... >> As someone on one of the teams at FB that has to deal with that, I can assure you all the scenarios

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 6 updates-testing report

2020-07-09 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 8 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-b1a8a3c29a putty-0.74-1.el6 4 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2020-8c3e76982e python-rsa-3.4.2-1.el6 4

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Josef Bacik
On 7/9/20 7:23 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 7/9/20 4:27 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 7/9/20 3:32 PM, Davide Cavalca via devel wrote: ... As someone on one of the teams at FB that has to deal with that, I can assure you all the scenarios you listed can and do happen, and they happen a lot. While

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 7 updates-testing report

2020-07-09 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 7 Security updates need testing: Age URL 695 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2018-3c9292b62d condor-8.6.11-1.el7 434 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2019-bc0182548b bubblewrap-0.3.3-2.el7 144

[Bug 1854141] perl-Socket-2.030 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1854141 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED Fixed In

[Bug 1149524] Review Request: perl-Digest-Whirlpool - Interface to Whirlpool hash algorithm

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1149524 Package Review changed: What|Removed |Added Flags||needinfo?(dd...@cpan.org) ---

Re: Btrfs by default, the compression option

2020-07-09 Thread Zachary Lym
> Yes, it's completely reasonable to not do it. It might seem like a big > change on its own, but Btrfs has had native compression for 10+ years, > and at least three years for most all of the workloads at Facebook. So > it's quite safe. But it has been eating data as recently as 2018 [1] and the

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/9/20 4:27 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 7/9/20 3:32 PM, Davide Cavalca via devel wrote: ... >> As someone on one of the teams at FB that has to deal with that, I can >> assure you all the scenarios you listed can and do happen, and they >> happen a lot. While we don't have the "laptop's out

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > That is because anyone who questions the perfection of ZFS is quickly > burned at a stake. I think Neal also has a good take on why, which is that it was mostly a closed door development early on, wasn't used on heterogeneous

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Martin Kolman
- Original Message - > From: "Josef Bacik" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:11:07 PM > Subject: Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default > file system for desktop variants > > On 7/9/20 1:51 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > On

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/9/20 3:38 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM Eric Sandeen wrote: >> On 7/9/20 2:11 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: From what I've gathered from these responses, btrfs is unique in that it is /expected/ that if anything goes wrong, the administrator should be

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/9/20 3:32 PM, Davide Cavalca via devel wrote: > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 16:15 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: >> However I have had bad kernels, power outages, loss of battery power >> (laptops on too long suspend) and other random reasons to force >> reboot >> a system. That has been the primary case

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 4:16 PM Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 12:56 -0700, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > On 7/9/20 2:11 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > > > > From what I've gathered from these responses, btrfs is unique in that > > > > it is > > > > /expected/ that if anything goes wrong, the

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, nick...@gmail.com said: > To be honest, I don't know. Do all UEFI secure boot implementations > allow you to add your own keys to the list of trusted keys? I believe that the Microsoft OEM Windows x86_64 distribution requirements require UEFI, with Scure Boot enabled, and with

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski via devel
On 7/9/20 8:44 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: * disk access is literally O(1) slower than RAM access This notation is meaningless. By the definition of the O notation, O(1)=O(1)=O(k) for any constant k. Yes, you are right of course, but I just hope that

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 13:32 -0700, Davide Cavalca via devel wrote: > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 16:15 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > However I have had bad kernels, power outages, loss of battery power > > (laptops on too long suspend) and other random reasons to force > > reboot > > a system. That has

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 16:49, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM Eric Sandeen wrote: > > > > On 7/9/20 2:11 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > > >> > > >> From what I've gathered from these responses, btrfs is unique in that > > >> it is > > >> /expected/ that if anything goes wrong,

[EPEL-devel] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : EPEL Steering Committee

2020-07-09 Thread tdawson
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: EPEL Steering Committee on 2020-07-10 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 UTC At freenode@fedora-meeting The meeting will be about: This is the weekly EPEL Steering Committee Meeting. A general agenda is the following: #meetingname EPEL #topic

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread stan via devel
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:10:46 +0300 nick...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 11:17 -0700, stan via devel wrote: > > That is, isn't this only an issue if the person doing the kernel > > development hasn't generated their own key, and isn't signing their > > kernels locally? > > To be

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM Eric Sandeen wrote: > > On 7/9/20 2:11 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > >> > >> From what I've gathered from these responses, btrfs is unique in that it > >> is > >> /expected/ that if anything goes wrong, the administrator should be > >> prepared > >> to scrape out

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Davide Cavalca via devel
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 16:15 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > However I have had bad kernels, power outages, loss of battery power > (laptops on too long suspend) and other random reasons to force > reboot > a system. That has been the primary case of file system checks > through > my Fedora usage. And

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 23:10 +0300, nick...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 11:17 -0700, stan via devel wrote: > > On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:07:39 +0300 > > nick...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > Yes, that's why "secure boot" should only be an option and the user > > > must have the option to

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 12:56 -0700, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 7/9/20 2:11 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > > > From what I've gathered from these responses, btrfs is unique in that it > > > is > > > /expected/ that if anything goes wrong, the administrator should be > > > prepared > > > to scrape out

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread nickysn
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 11:17 -0700, stan via devel wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:07:39 +0300 > nick...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Yes, that's why "secure boot" should only be an option and the user > > must have the option to turn it off. Otherwise, it wouldn't be > > possible to do any kernel

[Bug 1854753] perl-Sereal-4.015 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1854753 --- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System --- FEDORA-2020-43a6a0fdca has been pushed to the Fedora 32 testing repository. In short time you'll be able to install the update with the following command: `sudo dnf upgrade

[Bug 1854754] perl-Sereal-Decoder-4.015 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1854754 --- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System --- FEDORA-2020-43a6a0fdca has been pushed to the Fedora 32 testing repository. In short time you'll be able to install the update with the following command: `sudo dnf upgrade

[Bug 1854752] perl-Sereal-Encoder-4.015 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1854752 --- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System --- FEDORA-2020-43a6a0fdca has been pushed to the Fedora 32 testing repository. In short time you'll be able to install the update with the following command: `sudo dnf upgrade

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/9/20 2:11 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: >> >>  From what I've gathered from these responses, btrfs is unique in that it is >> /expected/ that if anything goes wrong, the administrator should be prepared >> to scrape out remaining data, re-mkfs, and start over.  If that's acceptable >> for the Fedora

[Bug 1855334] perl-Sereal-Encoder-4.017 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1855334 Upstream Release Monitoring changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|perl-Sereal-Encoder-4.016

[Bug 1855332] perl-Sereal-4.017 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1855332 Upstream Release Monitoring changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|perl-Sereal-4.016 is|perl-Sereal-4.017 is

[Bug 1855333] perl-Sereal-Decoder-4.017 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1855333 Upstream Release Monitoring changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|perl-Sereal-Decoder-4.016

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:53 PM Brandon Nielsen wrote: > > On 7/9/20 12:24 PM, Alexey A. wrote: > > I agree. I think that 4GB cap is too small and 4 GB may be used quickly. > > > > > Since the values being used seem to have been determined somewhat > heuristically for both EarlyOOM and

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:22:01 AM MST Alexey A. wrote: > >You can limit the process with cgroups > > In this case the process will be killed by OOM killer. Note that OOM killer > exists by default. Limiting cgroup means the OOM killer will be invoked in > the cgroup. With earlyoom you database

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Josef Bacik
On 7/9/20 1:51 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 7/6/20 12:07 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:40 PM Eric Sandeen wrote: On 7/3/20 1:41 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: SSDs can fail in weird ways. Some spew garbage as they're failing, some go read-only. I've seen both. I don't have stats

Re: Bodhi 5.4.0 in production

2020-07-09 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 09/07/20 15:12, Miro Hrončok ha scritto: > > Finally I got to testing this. > > The bugzilla was added to the update: > > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-c1be13ded8 > > But it was not closed: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1851519 > > Should I report this as

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Brandon Nielsen
On 7/9/20 12:24 PM, Alexey A. wrote: I agree. I think that 4GB cap is too small and 4 GB may be used quickly. Since the values being used seem to have been determined somewhat heuristically for both EarlyOOM and SwapOnZRAM, I was wondering if there was any prediction for how the values

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/6/20 8:21 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: ... > Yes. Also in fuzzing there is the concept of "when to stop fuzzing" > because it's a rabbit hole, you have to come up for air at some point, > and work on other things. But you raise a good and subtle point which > is also that ext4 has a very good

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 11:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 16:45 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:36 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:24:59 AM MST Petr Pisar wrote: > > > > DNF should perform "dnf mark install

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread stan via devel
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:07:39 +0300 nick...@gmail.com wrote: > Yes, that's why "secure boot" should only be an option and the user > must have the option to turn it off. Otherwise, it wouldn't be > possible to do any kernel development on that computer. For my edification. I build custom

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 11:09:57AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > What we're dealing with now is awkward consequences of this change for > existing installs, where we'd probably want to *keep* modular repos, > especially if any modules are actually enabled. Is it a terrible idea to suggest that

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 10:40:39AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > I briefly discussed the situation with bcotton, and that's how it'll handle > that in the future. I wasn't aware of the particular situation. Thanks John! -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:36 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:24:59 AM MST Petr Pisar wrote: > > DNF should perform "dnf mark install fedora-repos-rawhide-modular" action on > > a system upgrade, because we want that package to be prensented on the > > system. However I

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 16:45 +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:36 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:24:59 AM MST Petr Pisar wrote: > > > DNF should perform "dnf mark install fedora-repos-rawhide-modular" > > > action on > > > a system upgrade, because

Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModularPolicy == Summary == Establish a set of rules for Modular content in Fedora to ensure an optimal user and packager experience. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Sgallagh| Stephen Gallagher]] * Email: sgall...@redhat.com == Detailed Description == Over the

Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModularPolicy == Summary == Establish a set of rules for Modular content in Fedora to ensure an optimal user and packager experience. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Sgallagh| Stephen Gallagher]] * Email: sgall...@redhat.com == Detailed Description == Over the

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-07-09 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/6/20 12:07 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:40 PM Eric Sandeen > wrote: >> >> On 7/3/20 1:41 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> SSDs can fail in weird ways. Some spew garbage as they're >>> failing, some go read-only. I've seen both. I don't have stats on >>> how common it is for

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:32:06 AM MST Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 08:46:57AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:17:50 AM MST you wrote: > > > > > keep private mail private idiot > > > > > > You're responding to my post on a mailing list. I

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 08:46:57AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:17:50 AM MST you wrote: > > keep private mail private idiot > > You're responding to my post on a mailing list. I don't see any reason to > keep > this private. I'm not the only one on this list

Re: Btrfs by default, the compression option

2020-07-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 02:20:06PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > Yeah I guess for /usr the most relevant write metric is "does it slow down > > DNF upgrades or install operations enough to be noticeable / annoying / > > problematic"? > More importantly, does it hurt the performance of

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Alexey A.
>75% and 6G >for the cap might be better. I agree. I think that 4GB cap is too small and 4 GB may be used quickly. >I regularly see 3 to 1 and even 4 to 1. It's true. It's easy to get 4:1 with browser. In fact, the compression ratio is highly dependent on the workload. I get 1.4:1 with blender,

Re: SwapOnZRAM and how it affects earlyoom thresholds

2020-07-09 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:49 am, Rex Dieter wrote: Upon reading the SwapOnZRAM feature proposal, I see it is advocating allocating 50% of ram for swap. I'd like folks to consider and evaluate how this impacts earlyoom. It effectively makes the earlyoom memory threshold double (right?). If

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20200709.n.0 changes

2020-07-09 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20200708.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20200709.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 13 Dropped packages:23 Upgraded packages: 135 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 89.61 MiB Size of dropped packages

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:52 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > What's the KDE SIG's rationale behind supporting this? This actively limits > the amount of RAM that end users are able to make use of. The more RAM the end > user has, the more RAM is not available for use, because EarlyOOM will kill >

incorrect docs for forge macro extension, when using 'unknown' scm source (e.g., git.kernel.org) ?

2020-07-09 Thread PGNet Dev
I'm working on a spec, pulling source with forgemeta/scm With known/supported scm sources (e.g., github), it works as expected, with no issues. Atm, I'm trying to pull from a different source, git.kernel.org with this 'ofono-test.spec'

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Alexey A.
>You can limit the process with cgroups In this case the process will be killed by OOM killer. Note that OOM killer exists by default. Limiting cgroup means the OOM killer will be invoked in the cgroup. With earlyoom you database server will get SIGTERM and maybe will gracefully shutdown. пт, 10

Re: SwapOnZRAM and how it affects earlyoom thresholds

2020-07-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 9:49 AM Rex Dieter wrote: > > part of some irc discussions on > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDEEarlyOOM > > raised my attention to related item, > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwapOnZRAM > > As it stands currently with earlyoom, it's default thresholds

Re: out of Koji disk space

2020-07-09 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 21:11:31 +0200, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I am not sure what to tell you here. Perhaps you could describe the > reason you are working on the chromium debuginfo? Is it broken? Missing? > Less useful that normal? Missing. Completely. And it is not just about enabling it (=remove

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Alexey A.
>By killing their software, while it's legitimately using RAM, as expected? Memory usage causes system hang is not legitimately using RAM. Expected behavior is killing memory hog. чт, 9 июл. 2020 г. в 23:53, John M. Harris Jr : > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 6:24:41 AM MST Sergio Belkin wrote: > >

Re: SwapOnZRAM and how it affects earlyoom thresholds

2020-07-09 Thread Ben Cotton
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM Rex Dieter wrote: > > Upon reading the SwapOnZRAM feature proposal, I see it is advocating > allocating 50% of ram for swap. I'd like folks to consider and evaluate how > this impacts earlyoom. It effectively makes the earlyoom memory threshold > double (right?).

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: NSS dbm support removal

2020-07-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:50 AM Daiki Ueno wrote: > > Hello Igor, > > Sorry for the delay. > > Igor Raits writes: > > > On Mon, 2020-06-15 at 16:10 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NSSDBMRemoval > >> > >> == Summary == > >> Network Security Services (NSS)

SwapOnZRAM and how it affects earlyoom thresholds

2020-07-09 Thread Rex Dieter
part of some irc discussions on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDEEarlyOOM raised my attention to related item, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwapOnZRAM As it stands currently with earlyoom, it's default thresholds are 4% ram and 10% swap before it acts. That's fine and dandy.

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 08:40:52AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:45:07 AM MST Igor Raits wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:36 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > Unless I'm mistaken, it should only be present if the user manually > > > installed > > > it, and

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:17:50 AM MST you wrote: > keep private mail private idiot You're responding to my post on a mailing list. I don't see any reason to keep this private. I'm not the only one on this list that you've attempted to contact directly with this sort of comment either, and I

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:45:07 AM MST Igor Raits wrote: > On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:36 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > Unless I'm mistaken, it should only be present if the user manually > > installed > > it, and opted into modularity, right? > > > No, it should be installed by default.

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread David Schwörer
On 7/8/20 11:15 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: >> * disk access is literally O(1) slower than RAM access > This is just false, and you can prove that on your own system using only > `dd`. > In fact, if your system is newer than my Lenovo ThinkPad X200 Tablet, you'll > probably have even

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:57:25 AM MST Reindl Harald (privat) wrote: > Am 09.07.20 um 16:53 schrieb John M. Harris Jr: > > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 6:24:41 AM MST Sergio Belkin wrote: > >> +1 This would be a genuine improvement for end users! > > > > In what way do you believe this will be an

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 7:51 am, John M. Harris Jr wrote: There's absolutely no justification for this, as I see it. You're willfully ignoring what everybody else is telling you: we don't want out-of-control applications to bring down the desktop. GNOME doesn't want it, and KDE doesn't want

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread nickysn
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:46 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 3:38:54 AM MST Richard Hughes wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 22:19, John M. Harris Jr < > > joh...@splentity.com> > > wrote: > > > This is not something that's beneficial here, it's only > > > harming our

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Rex Dieter
John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:25:36 AM MST Rex Dieter wrote: >> John M. Harris Jr wrote: >> >> >> > That's not what this discussion results from. This discussion results >> > from >> > somebody outside the KDE SIG deciding the KDE Spin needs EarlyOOM >> > killing our

[Bug 1855334] New: perl-Sereal-Encoder-4.016 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1855334 Bug ID: 1855334 Summary: perl-Sereal-Encoder-4.016 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-Sereal-Encoder Keywords: FutureFeature,

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:35 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 3:55:44 AM MST Igor Raits wrote: > > I don't know where / which the fix should be: DNF, comps or both. > > Simply putting the fedora-repos-modular in comps won't

[Bug 1855332] New: perl-Sereal-4.016 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1855332 Bug ID: 1855332 Summary: perl-Sereal-4.016 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-Sereal Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

[Bug 1855333] New: perl-Sereal-Decoder-4.016 is available

2020-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1855333 Bug ID: 1855333 Summary: perl-Sereal-Decoder-4.016 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-Sereal-Decoder Keywords: FutureFeature,

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 6:24:41 AM MST Sergio Belkin wrote: > +1 This would be a genuine improvement for end users! In what way do you believe this will be an improvement for end users? By killing their software, while it's legitimately using RAM, as expected? How exactly is that beneficial?

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread nickysn
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:38 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:26:27 AM MST Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 02:17:53PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:04:01 AM MST Richard Hughes wrote: > > > > > > > On

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:25:36 AM MST Rex Dieter wrote: > John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > That's not what this discussion results from. This discussion results > > from > > somebody outside the KDE SIG deciding the KDE Spin needs EarlyOOM killing > > our applications at random, and ruining

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: NSS dbm support removal

2020-07-09 Thread Daiki Ueno
Hello Igor, Sorry for the delay. Igor Raits writes: > On Mon, 2020-06-15 at 16:10 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NSSDBMRemoval >> >> == Summary == >> Network Security Services (NSS) historically supports 2 different >> database backends, based on SQLite and

Re: Including local repos in a mock build

2020-07-09 Thread Pavel Raiskup
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 2:17:06 PM CEST Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Is there a better way to include local repos in mock builds than doing > something like this in my /etc/mock/default.cfg: > > include('fedora-32-x86_64.cfg') > > config_opts['dnf.conf'] = config_opts['dnf.conf'] + """ > > [my]

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 3:38:54 AM MST Richard Hughes wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 22:19, John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > This is not something that's beneficial here, it's only > > harming our users. > > > That seems exceedingly myopic to me. I'm guessing you've not been > following the

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 07:36 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:24:59 AM MST Petr Pisar wrote: > > DNF should perform "dnf mark install fedora-repos-rawhide-modular" > > action on > > a system upgrade, because we want that

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread James Cassell
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 10:36 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:24:59 AM MST Petr Pisar wrote: > > DNF should perform "dnf mark install fedora-repos-rawhide-modular" action on > > a system upgrade, because we want that package to be prensented on the > > system. However I

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:26:27 AM MST Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 02:17:53PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:04:01 AM MST Richard Hughes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 16:48, John M. Harris Jr > > > wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:24:59 AM MST Petr Pisar wrote: > DNF should perform "dnf mark install fedora-repos-rawhide-modular" action on > a system upgrade, because we want that package to be prensented on the > system. However I worry that DNF does not possess a capability for doing > it.

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 3:55:44 AM MST Igor Raits wrote: > I don't know where / which the fix should be: DNF, comps or both. > Simply putting the fedora-repos-modular in comps won't help since DNF > is only using them when running `group install/update/remove`. What's to fix? Sounds like a

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Sergio Belkin
El mar., 30 jun. 2020 a las 10:26, Ben Cotton () escribió: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDEEarlyOOM > > == Summary == > As [[Changes/EnableEarlyoom|Fedora Workstation did in F32]], install > earlyoom package, and enable it by default. If both RAM and swap go below > 10% free, earlyoom

Re: Bodhi 5.4.0 in production

2020-07-09 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 22. 06. 20 9:53, Clement Verna wrote: One high level feature worth noting : * you can now associate BZ tickets to the automatically created rawhide updates. The bugs mentioned with the format "fix(es)|close(s) (fedora|epel|rh|rhbz)#BUG_ID"  in the changelog will be associated to the

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > * disk access is literally O(1) slower than RAM access This notation is meaningless. By the definition of the O notation, O(1)=O(1)=O(k) for any constant k. Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list --

Re: mingw GCC help needed: -fstack-protector and -lssp, undefined reference to `__strcpy_chk'

2020-07-09 Thread Yaakov Selkowitz
On Thu, 2020-07-09 at 00:07 +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: > I'm working on updating the mingw toolchain [1], and am hitting the > situation [2] where I build with -fstack-protector in the ldflags, can > confirm that -lssp and -lssp_nonshared are automatically added to the > ldflags (seen via gcc -v

Re: Using "rawhide" for the dist-git branch for Fedora Rawhide

2020-07-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 09:44:47PM +0200, Markus Larsson wrote: > > > On 7 July 2020 21:20:22 CEST, Matthew Miller wrote: > >On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 09:03:19PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > >> in https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2410 I proposed to name the dist-git > >> branch for Fedora Rawhide

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-09 Thread Rex Dieter
John M. Harris Jr wrote: > That's not what this discussion results from. This discussion results from > somebody outside the KDE SIG deciding the KDE Spin needs EarlyOOM killing > our applications at random, and ruining our desktop experience. This is full of inaccurate statements 1. The KDE

Re: Using "rawhide" for the dist-git branch for Fedora Rawhide

2020-07-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 11:31:20AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 03:48:23PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > Just had another idea, how about instead of branch down from the rawhide > > branch to new branched to make Rawhide always use the fxy version that > > it develops. So

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread Petr Pisar
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 12:55:44PM +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > One just noticed that `dnf autoremove` is trying to remove `fedora- > repos-modular` and `fedora-repos-rawhide-modular`. > [...] > I don't know where / which the fix should be: DNF, comps or both. > Simply putting the

Including local repos in a mock build

2020-07-09 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Is there a better way to include local repos in mock builds than doing something like this in my /etc/mock/default.cfg: include('fedora-32-x86_64.cfg') config_opts['dnf.conf'] = config_opts['dnf.conf'] + """ [my] name=My repository baseurl=http://jack/repos/$releasever/$basearch enabled=1

Re: Suppress "running pip install with root privileges" warning in RPM macros?

2020-07-09 Thread Petr Viktorin
On 2020-07-07 19:54, Miro Hrončok wrote: 1) Add a custom --no-warn-root-privileges option 2) Hide the warning when $RPM_BUILD_ROOT is set. 3) Introduce an environment variable (e.g. PIP_NOWARN_ROOT) 4) Introduce our warning upstream, but make it opt-in only. 5) Hide the warning when --root is

PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-09 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, One just noticed that `dnf autoremove` is trying to remove `fedora- repos-modular` and `fedora-repos-rawhide-modular`. tl;dr. fedora-repos-modular inherit installation reason from fedora- repos (DEPENDENCY) and nothing depends on

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