On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:46 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
We should make fedup obsolete preupgrade. But we should have a gui first .
I had a look at fedup and it seems in a very early stage of
development - so a bit like the Anaconda change (with hindsight) the
new isn't quite ready
List,
cc Chris,
I reported a bug after trying to use F17 to preupgrade to F18.
It didn't work using Anaconda (I am aware Anaconda is a WIP) but I was
surprised at the response.
If preupgrade is being canned then presumably it needs fixing to no
longer offer the non-working and WONTFIX option to
Hi,
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
I don't
understand why people want that annoying feature at all.
It's a mistake to project your annoyance with a given feature onto the masses.
I always enable the feature but it is an ongoing annoyance that it is
Thanks for all the suggestions, I took the X11 config option which *just works*
I honestly think this should be the default.
At least, if there is a setting it should be system wide rather than
personal / effective only after login, because devices with touchpads
are predominantly personal
resistance is futile
On Apr 20, 2012 8:49 AM, Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 16:24 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
That is obscure UI design, and therefore doesn't resolve the
current
UI obscurity. So I see very little efficacy in the idea.
To contribute
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote:
No, it is not. I've said so the first time, and I have not changed my
opinion. Make it a notification.
All this discussion is obscuring the original problem. Although a
notification is easy, if it is dismissed, it fails
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
which (right now) has precisely one other hit on Google.
If you search for the demangled symbol, there are more references:
v8::internal::I18NExtension::get()
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Hi,
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Giovanni Campagna
scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote:
Il 29 febbraio 2012 13:02, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com ha scritto:
I think he's got a point
http://www.osnews.com/story/25659/Torvalds_requiring_root_password_for_mundane_things_is_quot_moronic_quot_
I wonder if there is a way to accurately gauge hours spent using one
DE or another. I've only ever used Gnome although I tried KDE briefly
(at least one major release ago) and tried other distros Suse and
Ubuntu, but only when Fedora was unstable on my hardware. I blogged a
few 'gotchas' with
Hi,
I tried some of these changes and they seemed to work reasonably well
apart from the grub2 infrastructure is still a bit immature at running
without initrd... specifically
* I couldn't find a way to tell the grub2 scripts in /etc/grub.d
(10_linux) that I didn't want initrd; I can edit out
Hi,
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
The XP I occasionally can not avoid to use, in its system control menus
has controls to switch between normal, big very big fonts and
expert/advanced controls one can specify fonts sizes for many details
of the DE
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote:
I am clearly going to have to explain this one more time, forever.
Let's see if I can't write it authoritatively once and simply answer
with a URL from here out. (As always, use of the second person you
herein is plural,
Hi,
A daft question perhaps, but I thought...
I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of
broken displays' EDID.
How do other OS' do it?
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I wasn't able to install from the live CD,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=738964
Anaconda didn't make a bootable system, some kind of bootloader config
problem by the look of it.
-Cam
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-09-15 at
What are the typical faults, and is it impossible to work around them,
maybe autodetecting if they are working or not? For a laptop without
an external display I would expect it to suspend when the lid is
closed, as that is what I usually configure.
However, it's not hard to imagine a feature of
Hmm,
something has broken in F15 for me:
Opps, sealert hit an error!
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/bin/sealert, line 692, in module
run_as_dbus_service(username)
File /usr/bin/sealert, line 112, in run_as_dbus_service
app = SEAlert(user,
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 22:21 +0200, nodata wrote:
2. This seems like Trusted Computing, which got shot down in flames.
Who shot it and why ?
I don't know about Trusted Computing but this does remind me of the
Pentium III
I am still struggling to see real applications for this. I don't know
how a networked system using the technology could be differentiated
from an (insecure) software simulation of the same from a remote
viewer's perspective. Also I don't see how it would be used in the
world of servers where
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:01:45AM +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote:
I am still struggling to see real applications for this. I don't know
how a networked system using the technology could be differentiated
from an (insecure
I'm curious to know the use case(s) for this technology.
Does it enable certain types of behaviour that aren't possible currently?
Would it enable a system running Fedora to interact with other systems
with a greater guarantee about its behaviour or function?
Is it just something that system
It looks like a hanky or a napkin to me!
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On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Michael Wiktowy
michael.wikt...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/3/11, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
The existence and the proliferation of extensions indicates that a lot of
people simply are not happy with what gnome shell does out of the box, and
that's
Hi,
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
What you might want to
do is try fallback mode, or a desktop other than GNOME, and see how that
goes; the problem here may be that there's bugs in the 3D / compositing
support for your graphics adapter that become
I did an install from the RC3 live CD (on USB) and it went well.
However F15 remains very unstable, I don't think I will be able to use
it. The main problem is that it will lock up spontaneously (then heats
up if left as if in a tight CPU consuming loop). Apart from that any
kind of session
Thanks, I agree it's a hardware thing although ION / Atom combination
isn't that rare and also used to work fine under F14. I have an older,
larger laptop with Radeon graphics that works OK with F15. Other
machines in the house use F15 and Intel graphics without problems.
That said I really don't
So, reading between the lines, is it fair to say that Ubuntu seem to
have chosen a display manager to avoid dbus and consolekit?
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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think the available information supports any such conclusions
concerning motivation. If you want to know the motivations for the
decision hop the fence and go have a polite friendly chat about it
with the people
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote:
What and/or how are the extensions to install to help configure/run
gnome-3 better? I have been using KDE but might try gnome-3 again if
have access or know where to find them
Hi,
I have:
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
It's entertaining already to see how people [try to] leave Ubuntu because
of Unity, and to hear that they like Fedora 15's GNOME 3 better. ;)
I did think of commenting that Gnome3 seemed comparable in scope to
the
Having used it for a while, I find it more than adequate. Currently
F15 is blighted by some undiagnosed crashes for me (Bug 697157) but
Gnome 3 just isn't a problem.
There are some odd things that can be worked around, but the overall
way of working is good. I found myself dragging a Windows XP
On the other hand it will be awesome when it's finished and possibly
will remove the need for fallback mode altogether.
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Hi,
I made some noises on IRC about people upgrading to F15 (like myself)
who would all come across the same surprises and would have to find a
way to work around them. I suggested it might help to publish
something like release notes but more user oriented, to help to ease
the pain (and to
I wasn't aware of the distinction between the candidates and the
naming of the files downloaded didn't help, so I think some
clarification might be worthwhile.
By downloading a couple of TCs I came across this problem:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=694915
-Cam
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011
Jon,
have you seen nmcli? If you can't do what you want to with it, maybe a
feature request is in order.
I get the impression that NM will generally do the right thing for
most people most of the time, and when we are hacking on firmware,
running a tftp server and the like we might want to use
I'm curious about the accounting method. I see there are some Nouveau
bugs listed CLOSED DUPLICATE. I raised one as a result of the test
day, 679404, it was later marked duplicate of 679924 (which is in the
list).
Just wondering what it means when some bugs are listed and some aren't.
-Cam
On
I tested the live image and reproduced a problem seen with the nouveau
test day image (and added more detail here)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679404
I hope something can be done for this or F15 will be off limits for
machines like mine (Nvidia Ion netbook)
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Hi
I wanted to second these questions...
2011/2/22 Jóhann B. johan...@gmail.com:
Will there be any performance penalties making this move?
[...]
What benefit will this switch bring to the novice desktop end users?
Will the novice desktop end user ever take advantages of any of the features
Josef,
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Josef Bacik jo...@toxicpanda.com wrote:
Your impression is wrong, there has been quite a bit of work done to
make BTRFS work well on small devices, it is the default filesystem
for meego which goes on phones, which is much smaller than anything
you are
I'm confused now about what Anaconda has done. I checked with the
commands from this site:
http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/20/aligning-filesystems-to-an-ssds-erase-block-size/
And starting fdisk with different arguments gives more sensible
looking results. Note that I haven't changed the
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
if it just invisibly doesn't run, I'd try it again, but if I'm running
it from the console and it spits out a clear fatal error and crashes,
yeah, I'm not going to run it again. That'd be pointless.
I would hope
Perhaps the issue is that the coding of the priority isn't intuitive.
I thought -20 was 'highest priority' and high numbers were 'lower
priority'
Would something more meaningful and unambiguous be better?
-Cam
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Once upon a
I'm using the experimental 3d now with gnome shell. After a few days,
it seems like it performs OK although it locks up for a few seconds
now and then. It seems to recover and I can't see any obvious log
messages around the time of the freeze. It does survive
suspend/resume, which is great. My
At least it's winter now and a hot netbook is less of a problem than in the
summer.
On 9 Nov 2010 21:22, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 21:05 +, Camilo Mesias wrote:
I'm using the experimental 3d now with gno...
You're probably not. nouveau basically has
That's true, using freenx to access a whole desktop works well with xfce and
no sound. I can't imagine it working so well if trying to run gnome-shell,
sound etc remotely.
I get the impression a lot of the current desktop infrastructure doesn't
make sense when accessed remotely, eg if I ssh'ed
Hi,
how do you enable the missing 3d support for Nouveau?
It came with mesa-dri-drivers-experimental.
I just wanted to say thanks, I am running with this now, it seems to
be certainly more than adequate ;-) to run gnome shell. No more
akmod-nvidia for a while!
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If I wanted to step back to the pre-net era, I'd run Windows.
I wonder if there will be someone saying (when all the apps are native
Wayland apps) If I wanted to step back to the pre-stetic* era, I'd
run X
I get the impression that comparing current Fedora and Linux in
general running on varied
Is Fedora for developers or what?
If it is exclusively for developers with the exclusion of general
purpose features such as web browsing, photo management, and
multimedia consumption then I'll have to find a more general purpose
OS. I count myself as a developer but concede that I have a life
I believe it is possible to do photo management, web browsing and
watching video, even on the current version of Fedora.
Indeed. It's not the point that it's possible or not. I could do much
of that on a Windows 3.11 machine... Be honest with yourself, is it
every bit as good as the experience
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:51:32PM +, Camilo Mesias wrote:
I believe it is possible to do photo management, web browsing and
watching video, even on the current version of Fedora.
Indeed. It's not the point
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Ben Boeckel maths...@gmail.com wrote:
Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote:
[..] As much as I love Nouveau's freeness, last time I
checked I couldn't even run gnome shell on it.
I was doing that back in November[1].
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[1]http
I'm not a security expert but I understood that the usual way to use
these keys was to have one server that the key authenticates with, and
further sites would be accessible through openID or similar - so the
authentication is always with one server.
Using the same device with mutliple servers is
I think the moral of this story is that the input to the process is
fallible. Shit always happens.
Automated systems that filter or delay the 'happening' should be
backed up by statistics to show that they help...
Otherwise, when they filter and delay attempts to fix problems by
people who are
Hi
I noted on your first bug that it sounds like one I had:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552397
Regards,
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We wish we weren't and we want to learn from our mistakes rather than
repeat them. In the case of the start page I believe it was a
concession combined with the hope that it would be replaced with a
free solution in the future. It at the very least should not used as a
shining example of the
Hi,
I have an ATI Mobility Radeon X300 based laptop (x86) and tried to
boot the boot.iso by using livecd-iso-to-disk but the installer could
not see the image (CD/DVD not present, other options NFS, local disk -
not including the USB device, URL, etc) once the laptop booted from
usb. It did not
Andrew,
SELinux is very configurable, and its various protections can be
turned on and off for each individual case.
That's interesting, I think the last problem I ran into was having to
set a boolean to get Picasa3 to run. This wasn't the whole fix, just
one step. I was under the impression
OK, an update. I reinstalled F13, added Picasa 3 from the Google repo.
It does run although it triggers tens of SELinux alerts about
mmap_zero on unknown.
The messages are pretty confusing really, they are complaining about
unknown, They say I need to change booleans to allow the access and
give
We recognize there may be situations when SELinux causes problems and
you need to make it permissive or turn it off temporarily, but please
try and keep it turned on if you possibly can, and if you're in a
situation where you need to disable it, please let the developers know
by filing a bug,
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:14 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Upstream wants to talk to somebody who's actually experiencing the problem,
not to a forwarding monkey.
Really? I would have thought upstream would be grateful for any
reports, preferring that to silence. If the actual
Hi,
You can either run
dbus_send --print-reply --system \
--dest=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager \
/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager \
org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wake
or run
service network-manager stop
rm /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state
service
Hi,
I ran a couple of preupgrades to go from F12 to F13 last night and it
all went very smoothly. I have only one slight criticism and that is
that the final stage of the upgrade takes a subjectively long time,
during which the progress indication is a frantic bouncing progress
bar. What is
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Thomas Janssen
thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
What was that for? To start another flamewar including the challenge
for a explicit person?
Quite, a possibly valid point losing out to a flamebait codicil.
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Personally I think Fedora is good at what it does, and although it
causes me some frustration that Fedora isn't better at wooing mass
market users, I wouldn't want to make radical changes to structures
and processes to chase some goals.
There would be much easier and more painless ways to woo
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 02:45:53PM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
This thread is now closed. We've received repeated complaints about the
redundancy of it.
No further posts to this thread will be allowed.
I'm disappointed that the thread is closed when there seems to be an
issue that isn't
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
this is a *terrible* idea. We may see users as a 'resource', but they
don't see themselves this way. We should not interrupt their usage of
their computer to try and exploit them to our ends.
What if it was an opt-in
How about...
Prepare for launch
Escape velocity
Throttle up
Go supernova
Ignite
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Can we draw any parallels from work in the commercial world? (I was
going to use the word 'professional' but don't want to disparage open
source work... it's just a different ecosystem)
So at work we have to produce a software product.
We test the product to the best of our ability / to test
cores typically compress fantastically well, too.
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