> On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
>
> I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the reasoning
> for stopping that.)
That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F
> If this is, why has the project chosen to not document that in their
> code/docs? That would, it seems, help contributors stay focused on
> the goal.
>
https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Home?action=show=DEV
I went to list.org, clicked on developer wiki, it's on the front page.
This is veering a bit
Oh and I should also point out - you shouldn't have to read all of that, the
point was to make our mailing lists accessible to folks who aren't mailing list
users, who are less technical, younger, etc., to be more conclusive. Same
reason Discourse is being peddled here. Big diff is we keep the
Check my blog, where there are even scans of the napkin sketches. Or Google
"hyperkitty ux" my blog and my outreachy interns blog pop up.
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Gerald, I'm the person who designed Hyperkitty's concept on a napkin on a
shuttlebus with Luke Macken some years ago. Your characterization of it here is
incorrect.
I say this with respect, please try to listen more than you post. Hyperkitty
stats show you're dominating this conveesation.
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> I just couldn't use it for day-to-day communication. Not necessarily any
> single thing, but lots and lots of fundamentals. How do I get a list of new
> threads? How do I get a list of threads I've read but which have new
> responses, and ideally show only the new responses? How can I mute a
Re: teenagers and timelines, I'm just addressing the specific concerns that
were raised to me.
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So our Hyperkitty version is old here. I can't reporduce the issue on
mailman3.org's HK, which is newer. I suspect this is a bug that's been fixed.
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> On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 11:27:02PM -, Ray Strode wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, all is not rosy there. See this thread on the users' list
> from this fall about confusion with hyperkitty quoting:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.o...
It's hilarious
I'm open to all of those suggestions as well as committing to design and CSS
work for them. I would need a web dev to help me though; I'm not great with
Django.
Please note, the reason Hyperkitty didn't cause this sort of thread or honestly
any sort of drama or controversy when it was deployed
I don't know that the cloud images are necessarily not it either though -
Randy's vagrant set up uses the vagrant cloud image... Whatever the story is,
we should be straight on it!
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> On Wed, 2018-09-26 at 11:04 +0000, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Even though I do this, I find it helpful to be able to completely
> destroy the VM and re-create it, knowing that all the information to
> re-create it is in git (via the Vagrantfile + Ansible playbook). Before
> I used i
Hi Alex, this is great. Thanks for pointing me at it!
Cheers,
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I'm willing to put some skin in the game but it's unclear to me how we'd lay
things out.
Is anybody interested in meeting up about this and talking through it? I think
the website / positioning / docs type stuff is addressable, but the big
challenge here is figuring out the strategy we want.
I just tried it. I was able to connect to remote hypervisor, it showed my VM -
pretty impressive. It was a little flaky in that when I right clicked to view
properties of the VM it hung (with a, wait / force quit dialog popping up) but
I was eventually able to load the dialog.
It seems to
So the environment I'm trying to set up involves a backend that consists of
three separate containers, and the web front end is separate from that. Because
setting up the environment is a difficult task, I'd like it in a VM so I can
clone it once it's configured so that I can reproduce it
Is there a way to use a vagrant image that works with virt-manager?
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Hi Randy,
I did consider Vagrant but there are a few issues with it:
- There is no GUI for it that I can find. I just like GUIs, especially for this
sort of work that I might do for a stretch at a time and then not have to do
for months afterwards and have to relearn next time.
- I have had -
Hi fedora-devel,
This morning I set out to set up a VM for web development for a project I've
been working on so I could access my development environment from multiple
locations / workstations without having to set it up again and again on
different systems.
I had a surprisingly difficult
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On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 6:00 PM Máirín Duffy <du...@redhat.com
<mailto:du...@redhat.com>> wrote:
Hi Abhishek!
The 4 tasks this appears to be assigning disappear when you get to
the mockups - can you provide the list of tasks so
Hi Abhishek!
The 4 tasks this appears to be assigning disappear when you get to the mockups
- can you provide the list of tasks so we can have it to reference as we go
through the mockups?
Also I don't see any kind of survey or other method of providing feedback on
each task? How should we
On 01/10/2018 10:58 AM, Mark Reynolds wrote:
So you could do a filter like this for your example above:
"(|(sn=*brown")(sn=*brown west"))"
So the case I'm thinking of for the front end is a directory listing, in
which case you wouldn't be so specific to know to add the West.
or
"(|(sn=*
On 01/10/2018 10:20 AM, Mark Reynolds wrote:
Would this miss someone who had two surnames, say Sally Brown West,
who chooses not to hyphenate?
"(sn=*brown*)"
Wouldn't that also match Brownwyn James and Brown West Smith?
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Hi William,
With displayname you can only sort by "order of the displaynames". So we can
at least consistently sort this given the scenario above!
Imagine a phone book sorted this way. In the US in any given town there
would be 50 pages of Johns, making wayfinding really difficult. Is
Hi William,
I'm one of the Fedora UX designers and was pointed to this thread by charcol on
another list.
I would like to express enthusiastic support for having by default a display
name field and a legal name field. This is of particular benefit and interest
to women as you clearly
Hi Richard,
On 08/23/2017 05:53 PM, Richard Kellner wrote:
my name is Richard Kellner and I am a Python developer. In my free time,
I am also a PyCon SK volunteer. Recently I have got this crazy idea to
submit some of my packages to Fedora, so here I am. I have just
submitted my first package
Hi everyone,
Our hotel discount code for Flock went live yesterday. It is... *drumroll*
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Here are the rates:
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27 to August 31. You will need to use the "Group Attendee" code "FLOCK" on the
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Our hotel discount code for Flock went live yesterday. It is... *drumroll*
"FLOCK".
Here are the rates:
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27 to August 31. You will need to use the "Group Attendee" code "FLOCK" on the
hotel
On 10/15/2015 02:33 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Oh, I wasn't criticizing the *current* plan, I was wondering whether if
we stuck another thing on top of the pile it might be going too far...
FWIW the hubs IRC client was the new thing in my mind. If there's
something else being proposed I'm
On 10/14/2015 03:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:19:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
The only thing that concerns me is that at that point we'd have the new
thing, IRC, Ask, *and* the mailing lists, soon with Hyperkitty which in
some senses overlaps with all the
On 10/14/2015 03:28 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 02:40:26PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
So the intention with hubs is that it would have a web based chat
interface that would use IRC. So if you prefer your old IRC client,
keep using it; if you're a newbie and not familiar
On 10/15/2015 08:27 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:15:50AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Is there a plan for dealing with IRC nicks and the Hubs chat?
There's an IRC nick field in FAS. My thoughts were by default for
new users we'll prepopulate it with their FAS account
On 10/15/2015 12:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
I mentioned - just as an as-it-came-into-my-head thing, not a serious
proposal - the possibility of setting up one of the F/OSS Slack-a-likes
that are going around.
I think Hubs would essentially be that thing. Especially with the
planned
On 10/14/2015 02:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
The only thing that concerns me is that at that point we'd have the new
thing, IRC, Ask, *and* the mailing lists, soon with Hyperkitty which in
some senses overlaps with all the others.
All of these are good things but would we have a coherent
On 07/21/2015 10:48 AM, Adam Samalik wrote:
There is no C and C++ - Sory guys, again, the homepage is just filled up with
random stuff. C and C++ will be definitely a part of the content! I promise I will use
Lorem Ipsum more often to avoid these unpleasant situations :-)
I don't know if
(resending with my fpo email; my rht email isn't sub'ed to devel@)
On 07/21/2015 09:51 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
I'm curious how this is going to be tied into the Fedora Hubs work?
If it isn't, I'm curious why not :)
So Fedora Hubs' main audiences are folks who are contributing to Fedora,
On 02/26/2015 08:31 AM, John Florian wrote:
Yesterday I was browsing the Fedora pkgdb/git/bohdi pages and this
morning I returned to go backwards thru my web browser history when I
stumbled upon a real hidden gem for a HTTP 500 response. Our hot dog
armed with a ray gun against a nuclear panda…
Hi,
On 10/21/2014 08:28 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
* Should we start all of the Products at version 1 and say built on the
Fedora 21 platform?
Is there any intention to release the products on different schedules?
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On 10/21/2014 08:42 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
- Original Message -
Hi,
On 10/21/2014 08:28 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
* Should we start all of the Products at version 1 and say built on the
Fedora 21 platform?
Is there any intention to release the products on different
On 10/21/2014 09:36 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:28:16AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
A few specific comments that have been made on the Board ticket (to
avoid rehashing them).
* Fedora Server 21 sounds like we've had 21 releases of Fedora Server
and we certainly
On 09/23/2014 02:37 AM, Matthias Runge wrote:
On 22/09/14 17:18, Haïkel wrote:
Proposals are supposed to provide travel costs from pre-determined
airports at the *targeted* period.
If I trust informations from the proposals, SLC would be too expensive
to cover travel expenses for EMEA folks.
Hi folks,
On 04/22/2014 07:40 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Is it safe to assume that research is backup by public usability
tests?
On 04/22/2014 07:55 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
When I invoke Máirín, I usually find it safe to make that assumption,
but I'll let her speak for herself on
On 04/22/2014 09:13 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
So one of the key questions here is whether the current policy on
essentially hiding (protecting?) the user from these external software
sources is truly in keeping with our Foundations, Mission and general
project health.
To be honest, I'm
Hi,
On 04/22/2014 10:14 AM, H. Guémar wrote:
Well, we may end up lawyered by Legal, but I think it's good we try to
realign ourselves and clear up few misunderstandings.
How do you propose we do that?
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On 04/02/2013 03:47 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
I'm considering system specs at this point, but establishing the roles
deployed might aid in targeting more comprehensive documentation. Beyond
a basic desktop, what use cases would you like to see us represent?
FWIW I primarily use Fedora as a
On 03/13/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
- (Nobody explicitly stated this, but) Displaying information geared
towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to
less-knowledgeable users.
I'd call this to be an urban legend. A boot menu is self-explanatory,
even to new-comers.
On 03/13/2013 12:47 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I read the blog and I was NOT talking about your blog post. Rereading
what I wrote does show that I did not convey that clearly. What I was
trying to refer to was that over the long winding thread others have
pointed out that this would be
On Wed 13 Mar 2013 08:53:32 AM EDT, Reindl Harald wrote:
i wonder how i survived to learn all this stuff which
is so confusing - why do linux need to handhold anybody
which does get scared from a simple menu where each trained
monkey in doubt seletcs the first entry?
Clearly you're a genius,
On 03/13/2013 09:28 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Mer 13 mars 2013 01:32, Máirín Duffy a écrit :
On 03/12/2013 07:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original
but some point in the the 500 ms boot time ideal ) seemed very much
On 03/13/2013 10:43 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
If you're lamenting the cryptical form of the current strings I totally
agree with you but I don't think there is any technical limitation that
prevents improving this text instead of dumping the baby with the bath
water.
I'm not. I'm making an
On 03/13/2013 10:57 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote:
I'm with you that users shouldn't see this by default, but rather e.g.
upon encountering an error condition (or if configured differently).
However, we still could use better wording for such a message, even if
we restrict ourselves to English,
On 03/13/2013 09:23 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
Then you have good students. Are teens and pre-teens fedora's main
target audience now? I'm really not sure what it is anymore.
Is there any good reason to exclude them?
I started using Linux (Red Hat 5.1) as a 3rd year high school student.
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On 13 March 2013 12:46, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
No, a boot menu is not self-explanatory, and no, this is not an 'urban
legend.' How do you even come up with associating the term 'urban
legend' to statement saying that a complex screen is confusing to casual
computer users
From: Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org
Why not put it in the control panel on the running system along with
other system-level options, though? Doesn't that make more sense rather
than separating it out for access only in a completely different context?
On 03/13/2013 11:26 AM, john.flor
On 03/13/2013 11:46 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
This brings the question, how do you do your update?
I actually do updates via the package kit nag thing that pops up from
the messaging tray, and I rarely pay attention to the list of packages.
I just don't have the time to bother, and if that's
On Wed 13 Mar 2013 12:19:39 PM EDT, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
This is no luck, you are using the exact class of hardware @rh dev use,
which is pretty much the safest setup for Fedora (and it's not the least
expensive hardware on the market either).
This is my last message to this thread.
I am
On 03/13/2013 11:53 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote:
I imagine that some kind of well discoverable (e.g. advertised during
installation, or in the default browser homepage) knowledge-base beyond
installation guides, release notes e.a. could get us a far way, which
would have vetted information about
On 03/12/2013 08:30 AM, Fabian Deutsch wrote:
What about pulling the message stuff into plymouth and using dracut to
trigger a reboot which shows the grub menu? Something along the lines:
Press ESC to see deatils or 'b' to enter the bootloader
This is an interesting idea, but I don't think
I tried breaking this thread down into its components and summarizing
the discussion and points brought up thus far. I hope it helps:
http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/03/12/improving-the-fedora-boot-experience/
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On 03/12/2013 05:15 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
Sure, and I'm sure the rental company wouldn't want you to pop the hood.
Not having a rental car break down on the side of the highway in an
unfamiliar city is certainly a luxury.
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On 03/12/2013 02:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
sorry, i have no other words for this discussion as braindead
Check please!
Hall monitors?
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On 03/12/2013 07:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original
but some point in the the 500 ms boot time ideal ) seemed very much
a welded shut view. And as someone who has to worked on welded shut
computers for asthetic reasons.. it
On 03/12/2013 08:02 PM, Gianluca Sforna wrote:
However, pretty much every operating system out there has a special
key or combo to activate a boot menu, which is otherwise not
accessible. I don't think Linux users are less capable to find out
what they need to press at boot, when things need
On 03/11/2013 12:58 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Turn off the graphical grub screen
I don't know why - I think grub2 is just a PITA to work with compared to
grub - but the intention here was that it should be turned off by
default in final releases, and on in alpha/beta releases. I think we
Hi Seth,
On 03/11/2013 04:20 PM, seth vidal wrote:
I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals.
We have to make the secret information discoverable if we want people
to poke and prod around.
If the bioses and systems years ago had been opaque we wouldn't have
gotten this far.
How
On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote:
Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present?
I'm pretty sure it is because of where we are in the process at that
point. For example, translations - can we render Indic or CJK glyphs to
the screen at this point in the boot
On 03/11/2013 05:24 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Right, because had booting simply worked, instead of a** r8H#@Ig me every 10
minutes, I'd never have become curious about it.
Do you remember the days when bootup was so slow that you would sit
there for 3-5 minutes watching the ram count up?
The
Hi Jóhann,
These are great links, thanks!! So to summarize:
On 03/11/2013 05:11 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
1.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/22/designing-for-pcs-that-boot-faster-than-ever-before.aspx
The last case these guys go over is the one we care about. They
On 03/11/2013 05:01 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
By hooking this up to keys people would natrually try, such as shift,
space, enter, escape, or whatever windows does for their boot menu stuff.
FWIW Windows uses F8
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On 03/11/2013 05:44 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 17:24, Máirín Duffy (du...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Having multiple triggers for this sounds OK, but making all keys
triggers for this sounds suboptimal, since you might buttdial the boot
menu then, which sounds suboptimal
On 01/30/2013 01:05 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
Actually a lot of research and reason went into GNOME 3's development
[1],
That's about as relevant as a lot of coding went into $project,
which is... not a whole lot when considering which project to make the
default.
But every release is not a
On 01/29/2013 04:59 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
I don't disagree with the more research and reason part, but the
current default desktop has only been our default for four releases,
F15 through F18. I don't recall any serious research and reason
having been involved in the switch that occurred when
On 01/28/2013 02:06 AM, Dan Mashal wrote:
You don't see the point of MATE or Cinnamon? How long did you play with
them 5 minutes?
Do you remember the GNOME 1.x = 2.x transition? Similarly to how there
are forks of GNOME now to 'keep the GNOME 2 candle burning,' there were
forks of GNOME 1.x to
On 01/28/2013 11:56 AM, inode0 wrote:
What concerns me isn't that Linus and Alan don't like it.
To be fair Linus (more quietly) went back to GNOME 3 after his initial
loud complaints. He is still using it since he just posted that he was
to G+ yesterday.
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On Mon 28 Jan 2013 02:17:29 PM EST, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Going away isn't the correct phrase. The UI of Fallback Mode is going
to transition to a new feature called Classic Mode. It's an official
feature of Gnome 3.8.
On 01/21/2013 07:37 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
* DO NOT REWRITE code! It will ALWAYS break things!
You're joking, right? If nobody ever rewrote code... we wouldn't have Linux.
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Please take discussions like these to the installer development list;
fedora-devel is too broad a list to discuss mintuae like this I think.
On 01/20/2013 05:15 AM, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
we see 3 items, one of them no disk selected
it has the same level of importance as the rest two,
I believe
On Thu 03 Jan 2013 04:55:22 PM EST, Chris Murphy wrote:
Documentation says The GRUB menu defaults to being hidden,
except on dual-boot systems. but as far as I know this hasn't been true
since Fedora 16 when GRUB2 started being used. Is there a
plan to revert back to a hidden GRUB menu at
On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 19:30 +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote:
Regarding the displaying problem in Firefox, I had that as well first,
but reloading the page solved it for me.
Yep, sorry about that. It's a caching issue I think. It seems if you've
visited fedoraproject.org there's CSS in the old
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 19:23 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 15:44 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
Sadly enough, this means that a shiny Ubuntu installer is to the whole
distribution what GNOME shell is to the GNOME project. It doesn't matter
if you've got a lot of bells and
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 22:33 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 21:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy a écrit :
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 19:02 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I'm happy to look for ways to make the other fesco voices heard.
Any ideas? I could try making the tickets have
Hi FESCo members,
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 16:01 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-09-14)
===
Meeting started by nirik at 19:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 19:02 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I'm happy to look for ways to make the other fesco voices heard.
Any ideas? I could try making the tickets have some more descriptive
subject like HEY VOTE ON THIS PLEASE BEFORE NEXT MEETING: or
something.
Hmm. Here's a couple ideas I
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:08 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
That's users you've already got. It might make the users you already
have happier, sure, and that's a fine thing to do. Iif you want to grow,
though, you may be limiting yourself
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 20:41 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
Great stuff. And there's more in there too. So the current User_base in
addition to being not very well linked and referenced could hardly be
described as reflecting all of the views in this particular thread.
Should it really reflect all
On Mon, 2010-08-02 at 17:07 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
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On 8/2/10 9:52 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
People have had this complaint since PA was forced on to the Fedora
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